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2012-11-05 10:50:37 PM  

mayIFark: Thinking like an optimistic, this may actually be caught and a link with Romney family could be established, putting them behind the bar, where they belong.


That sentence needs to be put behind the bar
 
2012-11-05 10:50:48 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Yeah, well we just had a MASSIVE 3.3 earthquake here in LA. Rattled my house for AT LEAST half a second. I actually asked myself "Was that an earthquake?" So while everyone was looking at the NE states hit by a little rain, and an iTunes update on some voting machines in OH, the Republican Illuminati have fired-up their earthquake machine to suppress votes in the liberal parts of the West Coast.

DO NOT BE FOOLED.


Have you learned to swim yet?
 
2012-11-05 10:52:24 PM  
Dear NC, VA, WI, PA, NH, CO, NV, MN:

Do you see what OH just did? Yes? Good. Now don't f*ck up tomorrow.

Sincerely,

Non-theofascists.
 
2012-11-05 10:52:39 PM  
The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system."

That wasn't a fundamental requirement of the original contract?
 
2012-11-05 10:52:42 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Someone in a previous thread suggested that this latest emergency patch might be to *remove* a previously installed cheat code, because the race is no longer close enough for the tampering to go undetected.


it could be a patch to remove a previously installed removal of a cheat code thereby reinstalling it because the race is too close. Ever think of that when you were just inventing shiat?
 
2012-11-05 10:52:43 PM  

Flappyhead: mayIFark: Thinking like an optimistic, this may actually be caught and a link with Romney family could be established, putting them behind the bar, where they belong.

Won't happen. Politics 101, always have a fall guy.


Probably a black guy. In a red shirt.
 
2012-11-05 10:53:33 PM  

mrshowrules: I'm going to say that this seems like absolutely nothing.

A) people in power don't like going to prison
B) when they do illegal shiat, they keep it low profile
3) too obvious


There's an old saying in NASCAR: If you're cheating at the front of the car, keep the officials looking at the back of it.

My guess is the fix is in, and it has nothing to do with the voting machines.
 
2012-11-05 10:53:39 PM  

Shrew2u: The TRO filed against Husted is being heard tomorrow morning, thankfully:

Link to case page at Moritz Law School (pops)

/keeping my fingers, toes, eyes, etc., crossed


This is the biggest part of the story IMO. Case to be heard tomorrow at 9am.
 
2012-11-05 10:54:44 PM  

DamnYankees: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: I just saw a Romney ad. That's literally the first ad I've seen all election cycle.

Where do you live? I want to move there by the next election.

Manhattan.


ZOMG! Romney is advertising in New York! New York is in play! Landslide on the way!

/that's how it works, right?
 
2012-11-05 10:54:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: seventypercent: Actually, I take that back .. it would give 100% of the votes to the Democrats.

/so carry on :)

Nope. Look again...


Okay, now I think I see where you're going with this.

Because the enumeration starts at zero, the assignment "v = democratic" yields an rvalue of zero, which causes the first if() to fail, which then falls through to the "v = republican" assignment, which will then always succeed .. giving 100% of the votes to the Republicans.
 
2012-11-05 10:56:07 PM  

Parmenius: Ohio voter here. In our county, we use touch-screen voting machines but there is a paper receipt generated when you cast your vote. The machine keeps the paper, each "page" showing through a little window. You have to approve or reject each page. Of course, we have to trust that the page is kept intact as printed, and TFA does point out that many ballots in 2004 were illegally destroyed before a review was possible.

I think it should go to all-paper, but I'd wager that polling places in Democratic districts would mysteriously run short on ballots and be unable to serve everyone before being ordered to close in the evening. It's not exactly unprecedented.


What I can't get my mind around is how this is possible without oversight.

In Washington State they have citizens up and at em on both sides policing every damn aspect of the ballot. And I promise you something like this would get smacked down in the court of public opinion.

BlackBoxVoting.org got its start in Renton, WA, just 14 mi from here. For example.

For another example, there were allegations of fraud -- never proved -- in 2004 in the race for governor. As a result, we have all sorts of checks and balances now, like your signature must match and if anyone in the public wants to question it they can. That new law cost me a day on the phone verifying my own signature in 2006, for example. Various citizen watchdog groups on both sides are ready to go if there's even a whiff of fraud going on.

The point I'm making is if either side tries to cheat up here they are set upon by various crowdsourced citizen watchdogs, and the issue is brought to light.

I'm surprised that doesnt happen elsewhere.
 
2012-11-05 10:56:09 PM  

A Terrible Human: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: I just saw a Romney ad. That's literally the first ad I've seen all election cycle.

Where do you live? I want to move there by the next election.

I live in southeast Ky and throughout the year I've seen maybe 3 Romney ads. The ads I see the most are the Obama ones and then ones for the state and local races. No signs or anything this year. it's weird.


I'm in PA, and there's an ad every time I turn on the tv.
 
2012-11-05 10:56:53 PM  
Sounds legit.
 
2012-11-05 10:57:42 PM  
Husted looks like a no good coont.
 
2012-11-05 11:00:41 PM  

seventypercent: Because the enumeration starts at zero,


Yup. Obviously a real-world cheat would have to be more sophisticated because a 100% vote would stand out quite clearly, but maybe if it was only happening on one machine out of 10 at each polling location and people only got to see the overall counts...

Paper. Use it. Keep it. Audit it.
 
2012-11-05 11:00:43 PM  
No official election thread yet? C'mon. I want a 50,000-post strong thread, baby!

Tears, joy, butthurt..... never forget Nov. 6, 2012.
 
2012-11-05 11:00:53 PM  
I hope if there is shenanigans, that it goes down Office Space style, with Romney winning 965% - 45% of the votes or something. I was decimal point off!
 
2012-11-05 11:01:12 PM  

Generation_D: What I can't get my mind around is how this is possible without oversight.


Because the guy in charge of oversight is the guy who ordered this done.
 
2012-11-05 11:01:25 PM  
Could be legitimate source code, but timed so to get people riled up and try to vote more than once. So therefor provable voter fraud!
 
2012-11-05 11:02:21 PM  
Jesus H Christ, when is this farking country going to hold a grown-up election? Can we do this shiat right just ONCE this century????

Some farking beacon of democracy we are.
 
2012-11-05 11:02:29 PM  

ZangTT: Could be legitimate source code, but timed so to get people riled up and try to vote more than once. So therefor provable voter fraud!


Or just overzealous staffer.

"They out there. They panicking! I can feel it!" -Billy Ray Valentine
 
2012-11-05 11:02:29 PM  

InfamousG: Ohio secretary of state's chief legal consultants: Dewey, Cheetum, and Howe


Dickum, Stickem, and Rhunn.

Also conveniently the Romney core business model, and generally how republican presidents treat the US when elected.
 
2012-11-05 11:02:38 PM  
John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/
 
2012-11-05 11:03:00 PM  
Any software programmer who hasn't gotten his code for voting machines airtight by now, after decades of improving on the things - needs to be farking fired and his previous pay garnished to fund replacing his machines with pens and paper.
 
2012-11-05 11:03:13 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Jesus H Christ, when is this farking country going to hold a grown-up election? Can we do this shiat right just ONCE this century????

Some farking beacon of democracy we are.


I was going to say 2008 we did it right, but then I remembered the THREE Black Panthers in Philly.
 
2012-11-05 11:03:38 PM  
Dont worry guys, I'm sure the liberal media will be ALL over this.
 
2012-11-05 11:04:29 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system."

That wasn't a fundamental requirement of the original contract?


Depends on what ballots would actually get read.
 
2012-11-05 11:04:31 PM  
I'm obviously horrified as many would be by this prospect, but this just seems almost *too* shifty for an attempt at real election fraud. You think it would be done much more subtly and secretively.

Also, the guy who runs the secret service, FBI, CIA and NSC has a vested interest in sniffing out any conspiracy...and one imagines they someone would have caught wind of something.

Still I, like most Canadians, won't sleep easily until you guys get the hell out and vote and re-elect your sane, conservative, (yep) black president.
 
2012-11-05 11:04:32 PM  

MFAWG: mrshowrules: I'm going to say that this seems like absolutely nothing.

A) people in power don't like going to prison
B) when they do illegal shiat, they keep it low profile
3) too obvious

There's an old saying in NASCAR: If you're cheating at the front of the car, keep the officials looking at the back of it.

My guess is the fix is in, and it has nothing to do with the voting machines.


Yeah, but to be fair, they're all idiots.
 
2012-11-05 11:04:37 PM  

NutWrench: Screw it. Those machines have been tampered with. They should go straight to paper ballots for all the affected districts and figure out what's been done to the machines later.


In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method, and other States should adopt our way of voting.

It's much easier to cast your ballot, and less creepy than "E-voting"

/ of course, other parts of the country probably don't want people to vote...
 
2012-11-05 11:04:41 PM  
Can anyone come up with a good reason as to why the arbiter of elections should be an office filled by partisan election?
 
2012-11-05 11:04:48 PM  

Shrew2u: The TRO filed against Husted is being heard tomorrow morning, thankfully:

Link to case page at Moritz Law School (pops)

/keeping my fingers, toes, eyes, etc., crossed


Maybe we should cross dicks.
 
2012-11-05 11:05:31 PM  

organizmx: Dont worry guys, I'm sure the liberal media will be ALL over this.


and if they're not it won't be because there's nothing there, it'll be a trigger for you to tighten the tinfoil.
 
2012-11-05 11:05:57 PM  

Therion: [img600.imageshack.us image 468x622]

Remember 2004, when Kerry and the Democrats were all: "we are ready to investigate any and all irregularities in the electronic vote record" on Monday, and all: "whoops, we lost 49-51, no problem!" on Wednesday?


That was in line with the polls.
 
2012-11-05 11:06:01 PM  
Someone explain how the solution to confusing ballots in Florida was paperless computer voting in the whole country. In 2000 I voted on a big clear ballot using a sharpie to connect an arrow. It was ran through a specialized scanner and was retained.
Why is our vote so blatantly easy to manipulate.
 
2012-11-05 11:06:09 PM  

bulldg4life: Romney will win Ohio. There has been far too much shenanipants for it not to go for the GOP.

What would be funny is if they spent all that time to get Ohio for him to lose Florida, Virginia, and still lose.


Florida just went light blue on Nate's map and Obama is now an 82% favorite in Virginia. Overall odds of an Obama win tomorrow up to 92%.

Still nervous, but starting to relax a bit.
 
2012-11-05 11:06:12 PM  
They screwed this all up. What the SofS office should have done was just have someone write up a little utility app that converts the xml from the election system in to the csv file they need to upload to their website. Why they didnt have the website work with the xml format in the first place is another question. They shouldnt need to alter the Election system code to accomplish what they are saying this patch accomplishes. i could write that utility in an afternoon easily.
 
2012-11-05 11:06:40 PM  

Ivo Shandor: MisterTweak: If ten lines of code can leave a team of the best programmers in the world scratching their head over what it's basic purpose is, I don't imagine a team of election judges will do much better.

Well, programs in that contest are supposed to look like random noise. The core of a vote-counting application would look more like this, where you can easily follow the logic flow and be confident that it is doing what it is supposed to do:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>

typedef enum { democratic, republican, libertarian, other, PARTY_MAX } party;

unsigned int votes[PARTY_MAX]; // counts the votes received for each party

extern int shutdown = 0; // signals that all votes have been processed
party get_next_vote();
void print_report();

int main()
{
  memset(votes, 0, sizeof(votes)); // Make sure all counts start at 0

  while(! shutdown)
  {
    party v = get_next_vote();

    if(v = democratic)
      votes[democratic]++;
    else if (v = republican)
      votes[republican]++;
    else if (v = libertarian)
      votes[libertarian]++;
    else if (v = other)
      votes[other]++;
  }

  print_report();

  return 0;
}


Those aren't logical tests but assignment operators int he if statements.
 
2012-11-05 11:07:05 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Husted looks like a no good coont.


He has the smug look of someone who lives for the day where he can go to any voting precinct and see only old white men grinning blankly at him.
 
2012-11-05 11:07:10 PM  
I'm in Texas. It's all kinds of retarded up in our booths.

Early voting, had 5 friends that had straight dem ticket flip just prez choice to Romney.

Just anecdotal, I think that, with my friends, there's a chance they were stoned and just farked up though.

But you have to deal with no less than FIVE people to actually vote.

Ah, Austin where we get to pretend the rest of the state isn't a giant anchor.
 
2012-11-05 11:07:16 PM  

RedEyedWings: I'm obviously horrified as many would be by this prospect, but this just seems almost *too* shifty for an attempt at real election fraud. You think it would be done much more subtly and secretively.

Also, the guy who runs the secret service, FBI, CIA and NSC has a vested interest in sniffing out any conspiracy...and one imagines they someone would have caught wind of something.

Still I, like most Canadians, won't sleep easily until you guys get the hell out and vote and re-elect your sane, conservative, (yep) black president.


Not going to stay black and die tomorrow at 6 am. Going to get up and vote and then get Starbucks and listen to jackasses talk about the election like they haven't been following this for 18 months like some people.

'I think Gary Johnson is going to take lots of Obama votes!"

STFU and die, asshole.
 
2012-11-05 11:08:03 PM  

coeyagi: Lionel Mandrake: Jesus H Christ, when is this farking country going to hold a grown-up election? Can we do this shiat right just ONCE this century????

Some farking beacon of democracy we are.

I was going to say 2008 we did it right, but then I remembered the THREE Black Panthers in Philly.


Black men outside of polling places....WITH HATS!


img402.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-05 11:09:28 PM  

Snapper Carr: coeyagi: Lionel Mandrake: Jesus H Christ, when is this farking country going to hold a grown-up election? Can we do this shiat right just ONCE this century????

Some farking beacon of democracy we are.

I was going to say 2008 we did it right, but then I remembered the THREE Black Panthers in Philly.

Black men outside of polling places....WITH HATS!


[img402.imageshack.us image 192x298]


*rolleyes*
 
2012-11-05 11:09:39 PM  
Silvers got Florida in the blue now.

Sweet Christ let this be over and done
 
2012-11-05 11:09:54 PM  

coeyagi: No official election thread yet? C'mon. I want a 50,000-post strong thread, baby!

Tears, joy, butthurt..... never forget Nov. 6, 2012.



We BETTER get a badge for that thread.
 
2012-11-05 11:10:35 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Yup. Obviously a real-world cheat would have to be more sophisticated because a 100% vote would stand out quite clearly, but maybe if it was only happening on one machine out of 10 at each polling location and people only got to see the overall counts...


When it comes to electronic voting, it's honest-to-God accidental bugs that worry me the most. I know that conspiracy theories are popular, especially around elections, and there's a certain sinister allure to the idea of a mustache-twisting, Persian-catted Diebold executive manipulating election results behind the scenes. I just don't think that's terribly likely -- it would only take one whistleblower to bring the whole thing down, and that would result in the end of the company and long prison sentences for those involved (even if such justice had to wait for a few years until the beneficiaries of said shenanigans were out of office.)

At the end of the day, there is no substitute for paper.
 
2012-11-05 11:11:02 PM  

SilentStrider: A Terrible Human: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: I just saw a Romney ad. That's literally the first ad I've seen all election cycle.

Where do you live? I want to move there by the next election.

I live in southeast Ky and throughout the year I've seen maybe 3 Romney ads. The ads I see the most are the Obama ones and then ones for the state and local races. No signs or anything this year. it's weird.

I'm in PA, and there's an ad every time I turn on the tv.


Down here in New Orleans, I have yet to see a single presidential election advertisement. It's so locked for Rmoney down here that neither candidate even tries to compaign here.
New Orleans is pretty cool, but it's surrounded by southerners. :(
 
2012-11-05 11:11:56 PM  
Not that this isn't shady as hell, and worthy of a painstakingly intense investigation (which will never happen), but even if Romney takes Florida AND Ohio and (somehow) Virginia, Obama can still win with Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, and New Hampshire, all of which are leaning his way.
 
2012-11-05 11:12:06 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method,


Just make sure you fill in every section. If you leave one blank, someone in the mail room will have to help you decide.
 
2012-11-05 11:12:17 PM  
I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.
 
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