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(Talking Points Memo)   Arizona Senate candidate Jeff Flake (R) says it was totally an honest mistake that his campaign placed robocalls to Democrats informing them of incorrect polling places   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 106
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2012-11-05 05:30:56 PM
I am a registered Dem in Arizona, and did it through the DMV. The woman at the DMV was also a Dem, and was very happy that there were others. I never have had an issue. Yet.

I have already voted.

I went to Church on Sunday, and most of the people in my (UCC) church are Obama supporters. We know were are the minority. For now.
 
2012-11-05 05:31:27 PM

colithian: Didn't they do this back in 2008 and 2010 as well?


Oh someone always does it.

I canvassed in working class/kinda ghetto-ish areas of Ypsilanti, Michigan last weekend. 100 of my "doors" were in a 8 story mainly elderly and disabled people apartment complex.

I had at least half a dozen people tell me they were told the polls were the *second* Tuesday in November.

And we're not even a f--king battleground state.

crayfisher.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-05 05:35:04 PM

MooseUpNorth: Epoch_Zero: What's the difference between America and yogurt?

Yoghurt has culture?


Yessir

/leave it alone for 200 years and it develops a culture
//close enough
 
2012-11-05 05:37:45 PM
I'm pretty farking pissed with politicians getting a free pass for doing illegal activity under the guise of the "whoops, my bad" excuse.
I'm going to rob a bank, and if they catch me, I'll use this defense. But somehow, since I'm not rich, I doubt I'd get the same justice.
 
2012-11-05 05:37:47 PM

SilentStrider: At what point can we just start throwing these asshats in jail?


I honestly agree for such cases of misinformation that interferes with voting. There would be no "honest mistake" defense and jail would be mandatory. Maybe that would force people to be more careful.

If I kill somebody by running them over there are all sorts of things to consider in judging how guilty I am - did I intend to? Was I exercising all reasonable caution?

For the voting cases just allow no culpability defense.

Sadly this could be gotten around by hiring homeless guys as official scapegoats - they are given the final responsibility of checking campaign messaging and if there are errors they might enjoy the 3 hots and a clean bed.
 
2012-11-05 05:39:07 PM
That robocall came at midnight? That'd piss me off.
 
2012-11-05 05:43:40 PM

Nadie_AZ: By 'cool', I meant that he seemed to be more or less a realish conservative


Yeah, learned about him a few years ago when reading about the Flake Hour. He would call out individual representatives of both parties and then admonish them for the questionable earmarks they supported. A few articles noted that he was something of a thorn in the side of the Republican establishment. Appears those days are gone.


ScouserDuck: Carmona is an even bigger douche


I'm wary of anyone who has ever served as a head of a law enforcement department (he was a deputy sheriff and head of a SWAT division). I had my fill of left-wing police state folks when Janet Napolitano was in charge of the state.


This senate election appears to be the clichéd "douche vs. shiat sandwich" decision.
 
2012-11-05 05:56:21 PM
I wonder why it's always Democrats being told to vote in the wrong places on the wrong days. Surely it's just a coincidence.
 
2012-11-05 05:57:48 PM

kinkkerbelle: They cheat in Arizona but it's a dry cheat.


Ow.
 
2012-11-05 06:00:04 PM
I think he tried to hit on one of my girlfriends once at Casey Moore's. He was wearing an ironic NKOTB shirt in an attempt to be "hip".

/fcsb
 
2012-11-05 06:02:27 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Secede and take Texas with you.

Sorry, New Mexico. Collateral damage.


Nah, we can just a do a East-West Pakistan type thing.
 
2012-11-05 06:05:26 PM
"Again, this autodial was targeted to Republicans. Any Democrats who received the call (which in all likelihood was a small number) did so because of errant information in the database owing to circumstances like those detailed above."

so...why would a Republican robo-call his own voter base and point them towards the wrong polling place...?
 
2012-11-05 06:14:03 PM
I love the " A news release said campaign volunteers received fewer than a dozen calls questioning the information that was provided."

I would almost wager that number probably exceeds the number of people who try to vote twice or that would be caught by some of the new voter ID laws.
 
2012-11-05 06:17:26 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm going to repeat what happened to me in Arizona.

I registered as a Democrat twice. In both cases when I went to vote -the workers there had no record of my registration and issued me a "provisional" ballot (i.e. my vote only counts in a runoff).

Arizona republicans are the epitome of corrupt.


In order to make that conclusion, you needed to have multiple people attempt to register as Democrats across the state, with a control group voting Republican to test for this so called corruption.

otherwise, it might not just be the people in power who are stupid, ya dig?
 
2012-11-05 06:17:33 PM
Jesus, the more I hear about this Canadian style of politics being introduced into America it makes me worry about the future. Slippery slope.
 
2012-11-05 06:22:17 PM
Get a rope.
 
2012-11-05 06:26:25 PM

Weaver95: "Again, this autodial was targeted to Republicans. Any Democrats who received the call (which in all likelihood was a small number) did so because of errant information in the database owing to circumstances like those detailed above."

so...why would a Republican robo-call his own voter base and point them towards the wrong polling place...?



His excuse illustrates he's either dangerously immoral or dangerously incompetent. Hooray America!!
 
2012-11-05 06:26:52 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: I was out yesterday reminding registered Democrats to vote and found several door hangers from the fine folks at American Crossroads informing people to be sure to vote at the wrong polling station - one that was 20 miles away and in a different county. Several other canvassers found the same thing.

I'm sure it was just a mistake.


at some point, one of these offenses has got to be prosecutable. I suppose the DA will want to prove intent, but I think the fact that it seems to happen so regularly and nobody goes to jail is intent enough for me.
 
2012-11-05 06:30:24 PM
That kind of shiat should be a thousand dollar fine per Robocall. No ifs/ands/buts.
 
2012-11-05 06:33:42 PM

heinekenftw: Here's an idea: Register as a republican and vote for who you want anyways.


I would but I don't want to end up in one of those Obamoncentration Camps we're setting up for them after the election.

/oops, said too much
 
2012-11-05 06:39:39 PM
Arizona? Isn't that a furshure red state? Are they just keeping in practice?
 
2012-11-05 06:41:19 PM

Weaver95: "Again, this autodial was targeted to Republicans. Any Democrats who received the call (which in all likelihood was a small number) did so because of errant information in the database owing to circumstances like those detailed above."

so...why would a Republican robo-call his own voter base and point them towards the wrong polling place...?


Oh those overzealously incompetent staffers.
 
2012-11-05 06:48:27 PM

whidbey: That kind of shiat should be a thousand dollar fine per Robocall. No ifs/ands/buts.


well this guy is either dangerously incompetent (misdirecting his own voters by accident!? dude!) or he's attempting to cheat in a major election. either way, he's not someone who should be in office anymore.
 
2012-11-05 06:49:30 PM

Weaver95: whidbey: That kind of shiat should be a thousand dollar fine per Robocall. No ifs/ands/buts.

well this guy is either dangerously incompetent (misdirecting his own voters by accident!? dude!) or he's attempting to cheat in a major election. either way, he's not someone who should be in office anymore.


He'll probably be the VP pick for 2016, then.
 
2012-11-05 06:52:17 PM
At least the Pennsylvania races have been clean so far. well, so far as I've heard anyway. which, I grant you, doesn't mean a whole lot. But from my little part of it, things are going along as expected, with no evidence of GOP dirty tricks to date.
 
2012-11-05 06:54:41 PM
Much as I detest Flake, and voter suppresion,( the new republican hotness), does anyone else think this particular example might just actually have been a mistake?

I dunno. They get up to all sorts of shenanigans, but this one actually seems like a plausible mistake.

Oh, and welcome to my "AZ Farkers list" Stile4aly. and CheetahOlivetti.
The rest of you are already on it, I picked you up earlier.You know who you are.

I registered as an PND (party not designated) years ago and have never had any problems. Apparently the thinking is most PNDs in AZ are actually republicans. Almost enough to make me want to change my registration to Dem. Not enough, but almost.
 
2012-11-05 06:56:49 PM
Dont forget to Vote!

Remember Wisconsin!
 
2012-11-05 06:58:10 PM

Weaver95: well this guy is either dangerously incompetent (misdirecting his own voters by accident!? dude!) or he's attempting to cheat in a major election


Him or his cronies in the GOP establishment. I would assume the latter, as he could claim ignorance were somebody to open an investigation into the matter. Which would never happen, of course, as the offices that would do such an investigation are solidly Republican.
 
2012-11-05 07:01:19 PM

r1chard3: Arizona? Isn't that a furshure red state? Are they just keeping in practice?


Thing is, a lot of our more recent citizens are more blue than red, think transplanted NYers. So while the state overall is red, it is a much more purply shade than the redshirts are comfortable with. And there has been concerted efforts to engage the hispanic population, for god sakes, who will they allow to vote next?? (clutches pearls).
So yeah, last election I rarely saw any Obama stickers or signs. This year I am seeing way more than last time, and hardly any Romney stuff. And I live in Republican central. Its interesting.
Obama won't take the state, but in another few cycles we may no longer be considered as a sure fire red state.
This thought makes me happy.
 
2012-11-05 07:03:33 PM
As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...
 
2012-11-05 07:12:35 PM

Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...


As a fellow AZ native, I second this.
 
2012-11-05 07:15:39 PM

Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...


SolomonKing: Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...

As a fellow AZ native, I second this.


Wait, wait, so we're ALL on fark ?? Which is my brother and which is my sister??

Welcome to my AZ Farker list guys.
 
2012-11-05 07:30:11 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: I was out yesterday reminding registered Democrats to vote and found several door hangers from the fine folks at American Crossroads informing people to be sure to vote at the wrong polling station - one that was 20 miles away and in a different county. Several other canvassers found the same thing.

I'm sure it was just a mistake.


Did you grab one? I'd take video starting at the street name and going directly to the door.
 
2012-11-05 07:30:11 PM

balancing act: Much as I detest Flake, and voter suppresion,( the new republican hotness), does anyone else think this particular example might just actually have been a mistake?


When it happens once, it's a mistake. When Republicans do it in races every single year, you're a fool if you think it's a mistake.
 
2012-11-05 07:46:53 PM

SolomonKing: Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...

As a fellow AZ native, I second this.


As a fellow AZ native, I third this.
 
2012-11-05 07:55:25 PM
bull and shiat this was done deliberately and i hope it is properly investigated.
 
2012-11-05 08:00:27 PM
Thoughts on Penzone? I figure he's screwed but might have a chance.

Arpaio's animal cruelty ad gets me every time.

/flake is douche
 
2012-11-05 08:05:13 PM
I'm also in favor of an Arizona tag.

/Phoenix fark party?
 
2012-11-05 08:08:12 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: colithian: Didn't they do this back in 2008 and 2010 as well?

Oh someone always does it.

I canvassed in working class/kinda ghetto-ish areas of Ypsilanti, Michigan last weekend. 100 of my "doors" were in a 8 story mainly elderly and disabled people apartment complex.

I had at least half a dozen people tell me they were told the polls were the *second* Tuesday in November.

And we're not even a f--king battleground state.


It's time to start taking direct action against voter suppression operatives.

Catch a few hanging false election day signs or handing out "make sure to pay your parking tickets" cards, etc. make an example of them.
 
2012-11-05 08:13:15 PM

RandyMarsh: Thoughts on Penzone? I figure he's screwed but might have a chance.

Arpaio's animal cruelty ad gets me every time.

/flake is douche


I can't get my hopes up, but maybe this time...
I saw a truck with PENZONE ! painted on the windows today... in Sun City...
 
2012-11-05 08:23:42 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Sasquatchuan: Runs_With_Scissors_: I was out yesterday reminding registered Democrats to vote and found several door hangers from the fine folks at American Crossroads informing people to be sure to vote at the wrong polling station - one that was 20 miles away and in a different county. Several other canvassers found the same thing.

I'm sure it was just a mistake.

Keep those door hangers if you took them, or make a record of where you found them. It could be worth calling the DA's office to ask what you should do with any of those materials.

The person running the whole shebang took them.

It makes me sick.


A friend of mine just posted on Facebook something along the lines of "election officials are asking all Obama supporters to vote on WEDNESDAY. Romney supporters should proceed with voting tomorrow as planned." He thinks he's being funny, but reading the crap in this thread, it's obvious that plenty of people take that next step and actually spread misinformation. It's disgusting. I wish I had a scan or photo of those door hangers to post to his thread.
 
2012-11-05 08:47:18 PM

Sasquatchuan: Runs_With_Scissors_: Sasquatchuan: Runs_With_Scissors_: I was out yesterday reminding registered Democrats to vote and found several door hangers from the fine folks at American Crossroads informing people to be sure to vote at the wrong polling station - one that was 20 miles away and in a different county. Several other canvassers found the same thing.

I'm sure it was just a mistake.

Keep those door hangers if you took them, or make a record of where you found them. It could be worth calling the DA's office to ask what you should do with any of those materials.

The person running the whole shebang took them.

It makes me sick.

A friend of mine just posted on Facebook something along the lines of "election officials are asking all Obama supporters to vote on WEDNESDAY. Romney supporters should proceed with voting tomorrow as planned." He thinks he's being funny, but reading the crap in this thread, it's obvious that plenty of people take that next step and actually spread misinformation. It's disgusting. I wish I had a scan or photo of those door hangers to post to his thread.


I wish I'd kept one, or at least taken a picture. They were seriously for the next county over. Assholes.
 
2012-11-05 08:55:25 PM
Runs_With_Scissors_:
I wish I'd kept one, or at least taken a picture. They were seriously for the next county over. Assholes.

Well, for what it's worth, you did your part in canvassing, which is the best (non-violent) way to correct for this kind of misinformation and shenanigans, so thank you.
 
2012-11-05 09:20:43 PM
I'm a new transplant to AZ. After doing the research, I held my nose and voted Carmona. I did mail in ballot. The polling station here is the primary school, but they only have one booth and it's a huge pain in the neck.
 
2012-11-05 09:24:38 PM

Sasquatchuan: Runs_With_Scissors_:
I wish I'd kept one, or at least taken a picture. They were seriously for the next county over. Assholes.

Well, for what it's worth, you did your part in canvassing, which is the best (non-violent) way to correct for this kind of misinformation and shenanigans, so thank you.


I would honestly be a tiny bit worried I could be charged with theft.

That's the only thing that kept me from removing doorhangers with out and out flat lies about the candidate I was working to help yesterday.

At least they straight up didn't have a date for the polls. And at least the Republican candidate didn't bother to leave a single door hangers on any of the lower income condos across the street from the neighborhood straight up littered with them.
 
2012-11-05 10:00:36 PM

balancing act: Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...

SolomonKing: Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...

As a fellow AZ native, I second this.

Wait, wait, so we're ALL on fark ?? Which is my brother and which is my sister??

Welcome to my AZ Farker list guys.


Infobahn: SolomonKing: Walt_Jizzney: As one of 3 AZ natives, I officially ask for an "ARIZONA" tag...

As a fellow AZ native, I second this.

As a fellow AZ native, I third this.


RandyMarsh: I'm also in favor of an Arizona tag.

/Phoenix fark party?


It is about time for a PHX Metro Fark Party. I hereby volunteer Casey More's n Tempe or something in Downtown. Seamus McAffereys? 


PS - nice to confirm some local AZians
 
2012-11-05 10:08:06 PM

Walt_Jizzney: I hereby volunteer Casey More's n Tempe or something in Downtown. Seamus McAffereys?


Last party was at B.J.'s at the Chandler Fashion Center. West valley folks were a bit miffed. Something a little more central would be good. OTOH, the beer and brats over at Brat Haus in old town Scottsdale would be perfect for a party.
 
2012-11-05 10:08:35 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: We need to create a professional class of poll workers.


hey, i support working moms trying to go to law school as much as the next guy...
 
2012-11-05 10:12:27 PM

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: I was out yesterday reminding registered Democrats to vote and found several door hangers from the fine folks at American Crossroads informing people to be sure to vote at the wrong polling station - one that was 20 miles away and in a different county. Several other canvassers found the same thing.

I'm sure it was just a mistake.

How the fark can we now throw these people in jail for life? That is pure treason.


Jail's too good for them. Plus, bullets are like a buck a box in Arizona.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:10 PM

Selena Luna: I'm a new transplant to AZ. After doing the research, I held my nose and voted Carmona. I did mail in ballot. The polling station here is the primary school, but they only have one booth and it's a huge pain in the neck.


Welcome to AZ, Selena Luna and thank you for voting against Flake.

I would love to get together for a Farkparty one of these days. I chickened out of the last one.
 
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