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(CBC)   Woman spends $1M on a house, decides to skip the $500 house inspection. Bad call   (cbc.ca) divider line 40
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2012-11-05 12:04:13 PM  
8 votes:
Looks like she should have had a Holmes Inspection!

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2012-11-05 12:47:52 PM  
3 votes:
Somewhere a seller and two Real Estate agents that did practiclly nothing for their thousands of dollars are laughing their asses off.
2012-11-05 03:35:55 PM  
2 votes:
How the fark could you not SMELL that many mice? My God, they absolutely reek. I trust she walked through the house at least once before buying it...
2012-11-05 01:32:15 PM  
2 votes:

kvinesknows: GoldDude: Somebody's got to help me.
The seller must have known.
There's got to be SOME way that this isn't MY problem.

yah.. dont get that. article says she was in there several times with pros of various types... no one noticed.. so why should the owner notice>?


Because mice are noisy, there was no way the previous owners could not have known there were mice in the house, unless they were deaf.
2012-11-05 01:29:46 PM  
2 votes:

dywed88: DeathCipris: lifeboat: FTFA: "Now, she said she will likely have to sue the previous owner."

Unfarkingbelievable. "It's not my fault I'm so farking stupid and irresponsible!"

Hmm....apparently in Canada they don't have "caveat emptor" cuz once you are in the house, it belongs to you beneficiary of the home buying contract. Being a recent home buyer, there was a line of verbage in my house buying contract specifically dealing with this stuff. It went to the effect of anything in this house is your problem now. No one will help you and you have no recourse if something is really dorked up. Remember, you are still responsible for your mortgage.

I know in Ontario you are liable if you knowingly misled the purchaser (i.e. if the old owners knew about the mice, they are liable).
As for the home inspection, most of the time they are pretty terrible and generally end up bearing less responsibility than the previous owners. Yeah it is good because they will generally notice massive issues, but they aren't particularly good unless you have someone you know personally and trust (i.e. a family member or friend). These guys need to be licensed and held liable for what they miss.



Oh yea, if they tried to hide it from you on purpose then they can be held liable.
How so very true tho...my home inspector missed some many things; it was unbelievable. Some of this stuff was a serious WTF? Supposedly "tested" the AC, totally didn't cuz that damn compressor was busted and there is no way that thing shot out cool air. But eh, what are you gonna do...tis why I bought a home warranty. 
BTW, side note, but there was a possible new home buyer here...hope they are still reading this so...
BUY A HOME WARRANTY. IT IS A VERY VERY GOOD INVESTMENT AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE PROBLEM TO GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH.
2012-11-05 01:29:41 PM  
2 votes:

kaseyfarksdaladies: kroonermanblack: Anyone have advice for a first time house shopper buyer? I'm considering buying something in my area. Personally I like small and bizarre and cheap. But I don't really have 300k to drop over 30 years, and would prefer a much shorter aggressive mortgage.

Yeah. Rent.

/Home ownership is overrated.


Yeah,rent...You're gonna pay for shelter the rest of your LIFE. Ya might as well get money in return. Rent is throwing your bucks down a black hole: You pay, the money goes, you live in a shelter for another month. If you own (Ha! The bank will own it longer than you ever will), there's a return on it. Your equity goes up and you'll have a back-up savings. a re-fi after ten years, when you've settled into a steady income, can be used to shorten the loan, or lengthen it to get more money monthly. Unless you're planning on moving about the country, ownership is a better deal financially
2012-11-05 01:14:23 PM  
2 votes:

kroonermanblack: Anyone have advice for a first time house shopper buyer? I'm considering buying something in my area. Personally I like small and bizarre and cheap. But I don't really have 300k to drop over 30 years, and would prefer a much shorter aggressive mortgage.


Every single person even remotely connected with the home building, buying or contracting industry is a crook.

If you know that, and go into it with your eyes open, you should be fine.
2012-11-05 01:12:22 PM  
2 votes:
The reason you have an inspection is so you have legal recourse to back out of a deal before you close (and still keep your good-faith deposit). If you find something horrific like this, you're only out the money for the inspection, which pales in comparison to anything it may find (just doing a Radon test for an additional 100$ on top of our typical inspection up here saved us 1000$ by forcing the sellers to fix it).

Not only is it expected that you get an inspection, but if you are one of the 4 dumbasses that year who decided to waive your inspection, you basically waive any and all legal recourse in the purchase of your home related to inspection contingencies because, I don't know, YOU HAD A CHOICE TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY BEFORE CLOSING THE DEAL AND YOU WAIVED THAT RIGHT ON PAPER. Granted, there may not have been explicit language on the documents waiving the inspection, but before the deal is closed, both sides agree that all contingencies have been met to their satisfaction, which is a nice blanket way of saying, "we're done here, no other issues can be brought up anymore" unless one side had provable criminal negligence in trying to cover up the infestation / whatever it was.

With the infestation being deep in the walls and nothing being visible, as well as waiving the inspection, this woman deserves what she gets through her own gross negligence of treating the purchase of a 1m. home as an emotional investment and not a business transaction.
2012-11-05 01:08:40 PM  
2 votes:
Let me be the first to tell you that a home inspection doesn't mean dick. Pretty much all of them have contracts with words to the effect of "I'm only liable for things I'm smart enough to see, diligent enough to describe and stupid enough to not tell you about.". If there's a fault the inspector doesn't see, like a $25,000 hole in the foundation that he called "a minor crack and nothing to worry about" next to "some stonework that might cause problems" of exactly the type he said they hadn't caused, or a fire hazard in the basement bathroom from some moron linking the dryer vent to the bathroom fan despite 26 years of lint making the vent impassable, some asshole kleenex as a building material, exposed 220V wiring behind a leaky shower that I happened to discover with a goddamned drywall saw, etc., you have zero recourse. None. Not against the inspector. Not against the previous owner. The inspector didn't see it, you can't prove the owner knew, fix it yourself, fark you, next case.

/yeah, imadbro
2012-11-05 01:03:39 PM  
2 votes:
Homes that have been featured on Hoarders should have that fact noted on title.
2012-11-05 07:59:34 PM  
1 votes:

spidermilk: kroonermanblack: Anyone have advice for a first time house shopper buyer? I'm considering buying something in my area. Personally I like small and bizarre and cheap. But I don't really have 300k to drop over 30 years, and would prefer a much shorter aggressive mortgage.

in my opinion, if you have a realtor you trust and someone at the bank who is committed to you things will be a lot easier. Also, I think we really underestimated the need for closet space. Also, when you set your budget (and really put some thought into it!) make sure that everyone knows it is firm (especially your realtor) because when you look at houses the most expensive one will always be the one you want. So it better be in your budget.

We did all the walk throughs with our inspector plus had a home builder/contractor friend walk through it with us as well.

I also would not waste a lot of time on 'for sale by owner'. All the people I know who are selling their house themselves:

a) don't fix anything that is wrong with their home
b) are asking way too much
c) make it horribly inconvenient for you to see their home


You know, honestly, I'm a single guy, making a decent wage. I put cash in my 401k, I feed myself and pay my bills and have toys, and still put money into savings every month, but I don't run a budget at all. I've never needed to because I live so meagerly.

I think someone posted a calculator in-thread, but anyone recommend a budget for housing stuff?
2012-11-05 04:58:26 PM  
1 votes:
I r a real estate agent...

The inspector I recommend gives the buyers two reports, one is 20-30 pages with pictures and explanations and the other is a 5-10 page summary with pictures and notes for specific problems with the home. I tell buyers to use the summary as their "weekend project list"

Random thoughts:

Always look up and look down at the corners of the ceilings and walls if there are structural issues that is where you will often see them first.

Always look under the kitchen sink for moisture and leaking problems. If the sink does not have a disposal there may be issues with clogged pipes down the road.

Look at furnaces and water heaters for stickers or cards from companies that have done maintenance on them and see how many years it has been since they were maintained.

Look at how deck boards were fastened to the beams, if the boards were nailed down it is probably an older deck. If they were screwed down they are probably newer.

If you are looking at a bank owned home look on the signs that say "this home has been winterized" for the date it was winterized so you can guess whether or not the home sat empty over the winter. Write down the name and number of the company that did the winterization so you can get the same company to unwinterize it.

As you look around an older home and think about all of the changes you can make to the home think about what would be a $50 Project, a $500 project or a $5,000 project and try to limit the $500 and $5,000 projects that you have to budget for.

If you plan on making a lot of changes other than paint and replacing bad flooring wait for about six months after you have owned the home and if whatever you wanted to change still bothers you then make the change, otherwise you have gotten used to it and can save the money by leaving it alone.

If you are looking at an older house notice how tall the opening for the refrigerator is. The started making them a few inches taller 20 years ago or so and some older houses have openings that are too short.

In older home if you look between the panes of a double pane window you can often see the manufacture date of the window and then guess how old they are.

Always look in the electrical panel to see how old the panel is and if there are extra breakers to add a shop or hot tub onto the panel.

Avoid variables you can't control, like HOA fees, high taxes, loud businesses next door.

For those chasing the "North Idaho Dream" of five acres with a house and shop in the woods:

Think about how far you want to be from a loaf of bread, what kind of internet access is available, who will plow the roads in the winter, etc.

Look a map and figure out how far the property is from the nearest lake or river and how far it is from government forest land for using ATV's, hunting etc. About 70% of all of the land in Idaho is owned by the government in one for or another, get out an enjoy it.

When you are driving out on the back roads looking at properties look for mail boxes because then you know at least one person drives that road in the winter.

Look for school bus stops because they have a higher priority for plowing in the winter.
2012-11-05 04:22:47 PM  
1 votes:

kroonermanblack: Anyone have advice for a first time house shopper buyer? I'm considering buying something in my area. Personally I like small and bizarre and cheap. But I don't really have 300k to drop over 30 years, and would prefer a much shorter aggressive mortgage.


Our Realtor Association publishes a booklet just for First Time Homebuyers that has lots of excellent advice. Ask a Realtor in your state if they have one. It will help get you started. One thing to keep in mind is that the older a home is, the less stringent the building codes were when it was constructed. Also, most everything in a house will last at least 10 years before they start to tear up. Dishwashers, hot water heaters and HVAC systems start crapping out 10-15 years from installation. Roofs around 20 years. Get a longer mortgage and pay it off early. There are inspectors now that use cameras that can see into the walls to see if there is a water leak or an electrical hotspot. They cost a little more, but not that much more. They might also see if the house has 10,000 mice in the walls.
2012-11-05 03:45:22 PM  
1 votes:

DeathCipris: dywed88: DeathCipris: lifeboat: FTFA: "Now, she said she will likely have to sue the previous owner."

Unfarkingbelievable. "It's not my fault I'm so farking stupid and irresponsible!"

Hmm....apparently in Canada they don't have "caveat emptor" cuz once you are in the house, it belongs to you beneficiary of the home buying contract. Being a recent home buyer, there was a line of verbage in my house buying contract specifically dealing with this stuff. It went to the effect of anything in this house is your problem now. No one will help you and you have no recourse if something is really dorked up. Remember, you are still responsible for your mortgage.

I know in Ontario you are liable if you knowingly misled the purchaser (i.e. if the old owners knew about the mice, they are liable).
As for the home inspection, most of the time they are pretty terrible and generally end up bearing less responsibility than the previous owners. Yeah it is good because they will generally notice massive issues, but they aren't particularly good unless you have someone you know personally and trust (i.e. a family member or friend). These guys need to be licensed and held liable for what they miss.


Oh yea, if they tried to hide it from you on purpose then they can be held liable.
How so very true tho...my home inspector missed some many things; it was unbelievable. Some of this stuff was a serious WTF? Supposedly "tested" the AC, totally didn't cuz that damn compressor was busted and there is no way that thing shot out cool air. But eh, what are you gonna do...tis why I bought a home warranty. 
BTW, side note, but there was a possible new home buyer here...hope they are still reading this so...
BUY A HOME WARRANTY. IT IS A VERY VERY GOOD INVESTMENT AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE PROBLEM TO GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH.


I just bought a 20-yr old home this summer that had a home warranty on it (American Home Shield). The warranty is complete crap. A total waste of money. I have another home to sell and I told my agent I will not spend a dime on an AHS warranty.

We weren't in our "new" home a week when I discovered at least 3 inches of standing water in the bottom of the furnace a/c. Rusty water shooting out a hole in the side of the return air duct. AHS sent teenage "technicians" on two different occasions who both did the exact same thing, clean out the condensate line. Despite my telling them I was afraid the water damage inside the unit was extensive, neither one actually opened up the unit to fully examine the a-coil and parts beneath. I finally got sick of messing with them and called a local company to check it out. Turns out, the whole thing was rusted out with pinholes in the heat exchanger that would have leaked carbon monoxide when the furnace was turned on.

AHS wouldn't compensate because their "technicians" didn't find the problem and nothing had actually "failed". I asked them if they would have preferred it if I'd turned on the furnace and gassed myself. Apparently, that would qualify as a system failure.

/they can EABOD
2012-11-05 02:41:34 PM  
1 votes:

Round Fish on Toast: JackieRabbit: kvinesknows: JackieRabbit: Both of the banks I have mortgages with required a thorough inspection (it's actually the law)

in what country/province/state??

The United States for any mortgage product backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. This includes most standard, not-jumbo mortgages, though certainly not all.

Not true. Fannie/Freddy only require NPMA33, sometimes a 5 year roof certification. but only a fool would waive inspection.

Only hire an inspector with E&O insurance, never use someone recommended by a realtor. ask your lawyer for recommendations.


Friend, I just went through this two years ago. Believe me, you must now have an inspection to get a mortgage and the form I had to sign authorizing it and paying for it was a Freddie Mac form. In my state, you may no longer choose you own inspector, as I always have. Now, the bank must assign the inspector. This is because people were hiring fly-by-nighters to inflate values and ignore deficiencies that would disqualify the property for a mortgage.
2012-11-05 02:40:43 PM  
1 votes:

kvinesknows: LemSkroob: One million? In Winterpeg? Dont most places there only cost $500 to begin with?

meh... winnipeg has an insane immigrant population growth right now and this drives house bidding wars of $20K or more over asking price bidding wars on houses that list at $150K and are were worth less then $70K 5 years ago.


This is so true. The bubble is pretty big right now and probably will pop at some point. Fortunately, lending laws here won't result in a huge recession like in the States.

My place was $149k 11 years ago, worth probably $400k now.
2012-11-05 02:30:35 PM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Let me be the first to tell you that a home inspection doesn't mean dick. Pretty much all of them have contracts with words to the effect of "I'm only liable for things I'm smart enough to see, diligent enough to describe and stupid enough to not tell you about.". If there's a fault the inspector doesn't see, like a $25,000 hole in the foundation that he called "a minor crack and nothing to worry about" next to "some stonework that might cause problems" of exactly the type he said they hadn't caused, or a fire hazard in the basement bathroom from some moron linking the dryer vent to the bathroom fan despite 26 years of lint making the vent impassable, some asshole kleenex as a building material, exposed 220V wiring behind a leaky shower that I happened to discover with a goddamned drywall saw, etc., you have zero recourse. None. Not against the inspector. Not against the previous owner. The inspector didn't see it, you can't prove the owner knew, fix it yourself, fark you, next case.

/yeah, imadbro


If you get an inspection thinking it's anything other than essentially just somebody who is familiar with what to look for going through the place doing a visual inspection, then yeah, you're fooling yourself. An inspector might not have even caught this if nobody else noticed until they started ripping out walls.

However, I'll always shell out the cash for one. Find one that's well reviewed both online and preferably by people you know as well. I backed out on a place when we were looking just recently because the inspector noticed scorching and double taping of copper and aluminum wiring in the electrical box. Would have had to replace the whole electrical system if we'd gone with that place.
2012-11-05 02:02:00 PM  
1 votes:

kvinesknows: JackieRabbit: Both of the banks I have mortgages with required a thorough inspection (it's actually the law)

in what country/province/state??


The United States for any mortgage product backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. This includes most standard, not-jumbo mortgages, though certainly not all.
2012-11-05 01:54:13 PM  
1 votes:
Call Mike Holmes
2012-11-05 01:48:16 PM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: JackieRabbit: She must have paid cash for the house. One cannot get a mortgage without an inspection, not even in Canada. Eh?

You're thinking of insurance. Most lenders don't give a baboon's bright red ass what state the house is in, they just want to be sure the money they lend you is coming back.


Both of the banks I have mortgages with required a thorough inspection (it's actually the law). On my second house, they found some water damage and evidence of termites on the property, though no infestation. They required the seller to repair the damage and treat the property for termites and provide a termite letter before they would approve the mortgage. All my insurance company cared about was that they bank was satisfied with the condition of the property and the real value of the property.
2012-11-05 01:44:15 PM  
1 votes:

Wolfy: A million bucks for a house in Winnipeg...

/Palmface.jpg


HAHAHHA you are so right on the money here. What someone with 1 million dollar house budget does is buys a 300 dollar house in the peg and 700,00 cottage in kenora
2012-11-05 01:40:57 PM  
1 votes:

grokca: kvinesknows: GoldDude: Somebody's got to help me.
The seller must have known.
There's got to be SOME way that this isn't MY problem.

yah.. dont get that. article says she was in there several times with pros of various types... no one noticed.. so why should the owner notice>?

Because mice are noisy, there was no way the previous owners could not have known there were mice in the house, unless they were deaf.


And lacking any olfactory perception.

/I never knew such a tiny dead animal could smell so bad
2012-11-05 01:39:37 PM  
1 votes:
It takes a lot of mouse poop to do that to the ceilings. Must have been a shiat ton of them there. Before I bought my home my last apt started to get mice right before I moved out. I caught a bunch. They were probably getting in through the back door of the complex, because every time it rained it would flood the basement level ummmm "terrace" level. Al they would have had to do was dig a drainaige trench there and no more floods.
2012-11-05 01:35:52 PM  
1 votes:
"Now I have a shell, which I love, and it will be clean. But someone's got to help me," Forsythe said.

No, no we don't...
2012-11-05 01:28:51 PM  
1 votes:

Odd Bird: Summer Glau's Love Slave: /Just sayin'

Where have you been? There have been a couple of threads which had room for a Summer reference, I was left to carry the burden alone.

/just finished re-watching The SC Chronicles.
// Fake, but, well...NSFW
///SFW eye-candy
[www.fansshare.com image 440x368]


ah the yngwie malmsteen pose

images.uulyrics.com
2012-11-05 01:28:51 PM  
1 votes:
WTF??? How could a normal person not simply smell that mess walking inside?? Rotting dead mice, feces, urine, etc.!!! The noise from walking and squeaking? The heat from thousands of tiny bodies? How could anyone miss an infestation that large? I'm certain that an inspection was not the only way to discover the thousands of mice.
2012-11-05 01:25:27 PM  
1 votes:
She must have paid cash for the house. One cannot get a mortgage without an inspection, not even in Canada. Eh?
2012-11-05 01:20:00 PM  
1 votes:

jiggitysmith: The reason you have an inspection is so you have legal recourse to back out of a deal before you close (and still keep your good-faith deposit). If you find something horrific like this, you're only out the money for the inspection, which pales in comparison to anything it may find (just doing a Radon test for an additional 100$ on top of our typical inspection up here saved us 1000$ by forcing the sellers to fix it).


Your realtor is also intensely aware of this and will happily recommend the fastest, cheapest replacement referee to rubberstamp the place as acceptable so the deal can close. Anyone who shows up with a hygrometer and a radon detector will never ever be invited back. Find someone who makes your realtor's skin crawl and blood turn to blood and hire that guy.
2012-11-05 01:11:43 PM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: Let me be the first to tell you that a home inspection doesn't mean dick. Pretty much all of them have contracts with words to the effect of "I'm only liable for things I'm smart enough to see, diligent enough to describe and stupid enough to not tell you about.". If there's a fault the inspector doesn't see, like a $25,000 hole in the foundation that he called "a minor crack and nothing to worry about" next to "some stonework that might cause problems" of exactly the type he said they hadn't caused, or a fire hazard in the basement bathroom from some moron linking the dryer vent to the bathroom fan despite 26 years of lint making the vent impassable, some asshole kleenex as a building material, exposed 220V wiring behind a leaky shower that I happened to discover with a goddamned drywall saw, etc., you have zero recourse. None. Not against the inspector. Not against the previous owner. The inspector didn't see it, you can't prove the owner knew, fix it yourself, fark you, next case.

/yeah, imadbro


THIS
2012-11-05 01:11:07 PM  
1 votes:

JMel: Well, thats $1M Canadian......meh, thats only like $14K US.

I know, I can't really use that joke anymore....but I refuse to let it die.

/Sure as hell doesn't look like a $1M house to me. Looks like a $450K house in my neck of the woods outside of Dallas.
//Housing Markets...how do they work?


And in California, that's an $8 mil house.
2012-11-05 01:07:04 PM  
1 votes:
I inspect for HUD. No way a competent person could not have known.
2012-11-05 01:04:49 PM  
1 votes:

kroonermanblack: Anyone have advice for a first time house shopper buyer? I'm considering buying something in my area. Personally I like small and bizarre and cheap. But I don't really have 300k to drop over 30 years, and would prefer a much shorter aggressive mortgage.


Why do a short mortgage right now? This is the cheapest pool of capital you'll ever have access to, get a 30 year fixed on a house you can afford and drop everything else into investments. That's what I did, refinanced into a new 30 year and took the difference and dropped it into an IRA, that pot of money will grow at a lot more than 3.85%!
2012-11-05 01:01:07 PM  
1 votes:
My dad is a retired contractor and has done countless inspections. I'd have him go through any potential home purchase.

Then I'd hire someone to do it as well..
2012-11-05 12:59:48 PM  
1 votes:

Xcott: I knew some people who passed on the title insurance when buying a house.

For the uninitiated, "title insurance" insures that the house you're about to buy really belongs to the seller, without any gotchas like a neighbor having a legitimate claim to half your backyard. Since it "insures" against events in the past rather than in the future, you only make a one-time payment for it. It's a typical expense along with home inspection.

Passing on the insurance for whatever reason, my friends later found that the previous owner ran a business out of his house that went into bankruptcy, and some bank claimed it was theirs. I guess they're still living in it so they got the issue resolved, but Cheeee-rist people, pay for the damn insurance.


Something that's less common and hardly anyone ever knows about until they get bitten in the ass is address insurance - that the place you're buying really is where you think it is. It's mostly for big lots and open lots, but it pops up now and then on old subdivided city lots too. An old boss many years ago bought a lot with a billboard on it, paid a premium price for it, and was pretty screwed when it turned out the billboard wasn't part of the metes and bounds of the particular address he bought.

Cities are slowly digitizing all of this stuff so you don't have to wait in line at the clerk's for six hours to pull it yourself (which is what you pay title and address insurance for), but it's all something you have to think about.
2012-11-05 12:59:17 PM  
1 votes:
Somebody's got to help me.
The seller must have known.
There's got to be SOME way that this isn't MY problem.
2012-11-05 12:54:19 PM  
1 votes:

Skr: These instances always sound like horrible cases of denial and blue sky wishful thinking. Hire your own inspectors and do all of the walk throughs including the final walk through. Everyone is out to fark you and it is always best to have a few more pairs of eyes to catch on to it.


My realtor would actively point out every instance of termites, possible rats, flood damage, etc, every possible chance he could, and he had a good eye for it. We definitely knew we could trust him to get the skinny on a place.

/But that was because he was trying to get us to buy a new place for 5 times as much as the places we wanted.
2012-11-05 12:54:07 PM  
1 votes:
I knew some people who passed on the title insurance when buying a house.

For the uninitiated, "title insurance" insures that the house you're about to buy really belongs to the seller, without any gotchas like a neighbor having a legitimate claim to half your backyard. Since it "insures" against events in the past rather than in the future, you only make a one-time payment for it. It's a typical expense along with home inspection.

Passing on the insurance for whatever reason, my friends later found that the previous owner ran a business out of his house that went into bankruptcy, and some bank claimed it was theirs. I guess they're still living in it so they got the issue resolved, but Cheeee-rist people, pay for the damn insurance.
2012-11-05 12:53:21 PM  
1 votes:

Forsythe said she did not get the home inspected before purchasing it, but she did go in with contractors, engineers and architects several times before the handover and no one noticed anything wrong.
...
The previous homeowner told CBC News he did not know anything about a mouse problem, adding that he would have never sold the house if he did.

Forsythe believes he had to have known, but Jeffrey said it is possible the previous owner may not have seen mice in the house, which was constructed with thick walls and thick insulation.


So none of her "contractors, engineers and architects" noticed anything but she thinks the previous owner "had to have known"?
2012-11-05 12:49:43 PM  
1 votes:
Well, thats $1M Canadian......meh, thats only like $14K US.

I know, I can't really use that joke anymore....but I refuse to let it die.

/Sure as hell doesn't look like a $1M house to me. Looks like a $450K house in my neck of the woods outside of Dallas.
//Housing Markets...how do they work?
2012-11-05 12:47:44 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus. I am not a big earner by any stretch. When I was house shopping I was pinching pennies wherever I could, but I certainly didn't skip over the inspection of the place I planned to live in for a long time.
 
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