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(Think Progress)   Giuliani says Obama's response to Hurricane Sandy was "worse than Katrina", nothing at all like when Bush was president and shot down one of the airlines with his revolvers on 9/11   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 224
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2012-11-05 04:15:51 PM

PreMortem: Giuliani has become no better that Rush, Hannity, and Coulter. A hack who gets paid to say whatever nonsense republitards with eat up.


Squeal you little liberal pussies. Showing up is not helping. Rudy is right. Go worship somewhere else besides your Obama altar. Losers one and all.
 
2012-11-05 04:18:07 PM
jvl

Also, the fact that Bush had a moron in charge of FEMA.

Wait a second... haven't you spent the last 3.5 years telling us that this president (obama) isn't responsible for folks he appoints to leadership rolls?

So pick a side and one side only. Are presidents responsible for appointees or not?
 
2012-11-05 04:18:10 PM
Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.
 
2012-11-05 04:18:30 PM
Mitt Romney had all the momentum. Obama was going down. Then hurricane Sandy hit, flooded New York, knocked out power. And, according to the media over the weekend, propelled Obama to an election victory.

Hurricane Sandy saved Obama. Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election.
 
2012-11-05 04:25:05 PM
Rudy, your 15 minutes are up. Go away.
 
2012-11-05 04:25:05 PM

SlothB77: Mitt Romney had all the momentum. Obama was going down. Then hurricane Sandy hit, flooded New York, knocked out power. And, according to the media over the weekend, propelled Obama to an election victory.

Hurricane Sandy saved Obama. Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election a swift reaction to a disaster, making appropriate use of Federal resources under whatever agencies' charters to assist in local response and recovery efforts.


Weird how we both stated facts, yet only one such statement reflects that a president reacts to weather conditions rather than creating them.
 
2012-11-05 04:28:44 PM

legalgus: libera messiah libs


That's all three! DRINK!
 
ecl
2012-11-05 04:29:00 PM
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2012-11-05 04:30:13 PM

SlothB77: Mitt Romney had all the momentum. Obama was going down. Then hurricane Sandy hit, flooded New York, knocked out power. And, according to the media over the weekend, propelled Obama to an election victory.

Hurricane Sandy saved Obama. Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election.


The states most affected were already blue. His performance with regard to the storm was good, but I doubt good enough that it would sway undecideds in red and purple states.

Sounds to me you're making excuses to comfort yourself in the event of Romney's loss.
 
2012-11-05 04:33:51 PM

jvl: It's bit early to judge. Katrina was more obvious one week in due to the people left in the Superdome. Also, the fact that Bush had a moron in charge of FEMA. I imagine when the subways still don't work in a month, people will blame the Army Corp (and Obama) for being unprepared even though that's obviously New York's responsibility to be prepared for.


I read a paper on disaster response. Comment was that things go sideways when the authorities response is to 'restore order' instead of 'help people self rescue' In all disasters people immediately self-organize rescue efforts, the job of responders to to assist that not hinder it.  You can pretty much see the difference between Katrina where incompetent Bush appointees tried to assert control and Sandy where efforts are to provide top down assistance. The latter works because efforts have to be bottom up to fix things which requires a high level autonomy.
 
2012-11-05 04:36:22 PM

MindStalker: zarberg: I_C_Weener: I imagine those on Staten Island agree with him.  Doesn't make it so.  But I bet they agree.

I worked for a Wall Street firm (Weiss, Peck & Greer at 1 NY Plaza) for 5 years, and had dozens of friends/co-workers who lived and live on Staten Island. I haven't seen a one of them complain about Obama relating to Hurricane Sandy over social media.

/CSB
//and yeah, your imagination sounds like a really sucky place.

To be fair, I have barely hear anything on the internet from friends in New York. Probably something to do with them barely having power.


To be fair, I didn't have power and I had this miraculous thing called a cell phone that allowed me to see all of the internets in the dark!
 
jvl
2012-11-05 04:37:41 PM

OnlyM3: jvl: Also, the fact that Bush had a moron in charge of FEMA.

Wait a second... haven't you spent the last 3.5 years telling us that this president (obama) isn't responsible for folks he appoints to leadership rolls?


You appear to have me confused with someone else. Good luck finding that nut...
 
2012-11-05 04:38:52 PM

o5iiawah: Yes, because a class full of elementary school children should have heard exactly what happened, right there, on the spot. The fact that Bush didn't jump up out of his seat, tell everyone, pull out his ivory revolvers and point them towards Mecca was a sign of weakness.


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Obama: CUT THE RED TAPE*!!!


*that my party has championed since forever*


legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.


SlothB77: Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election.


Strong arguments from the Fark right.

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jvl
2012-11-05 04:40:40 PM

gibbon1: I read a paper on disaster response. Comment was that things go sideways when the authorities response is to 'restore order' instead of 'help people self rescue' In all disasters people immediately self-organize rescue efforts, the job of responders to to assist that not hinder it.  You can pretty much see the difference between Katrina where incompetent Bush appointees tried to assert control and Sandy where efforts are to provide top down assistance. The latter works because efforts have to be bottom up to fix things which requires a high level autonomy.


That sounds like a plausible theory. Time will tell if FEMA has learned anything new.

Hurricane Katrina was hardly FEMA's turn playing the part of national disgrace.
 
2012-11-05 04:41:11 PM

legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.


If only there were a party practiced in curmudgeony diatribes couched in a professed yearning for a yesteryear that never existed. Wouldn't that be swell?
 
2012-11-05 04:43:36 PM

Diogenes: Yes, Rudy. Please tell us about poor handling of emergencies. You should know something about it through your own glaring failures at it. Chief among them, relocating the emergency response command center in the World Trade Center in 1997, even though your director of emergency management recommended that you not put it there because it had been a target in 1993.


Bingo!
 
ecl
2012-11-05 04:43:58 PM

Ilmarinen: o5iiawah: Yes, because a class full of elementary school children should have heard exactly what happened, right there, on the spot. The fact that Bush didn't jump up out of his seat, tell everyone, pull out his ivory revolvers and point them towards Mecca was a sign of weakness.

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(Emergency occurs in major Democrat-voting area.)

Obama: CUT THE RED TAPE*!!!


*that my party has championed since forever*

legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.

SlothB77: Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election.

Strong arguments from the Fark right.

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2012-11-05 04:44:18 PM
I'm getting a kick out of this.

As I work in an office building that last week was completely dark, after commuting on a train that last week wasn't running at all from Brooklyn to Manhattan, with coworkers who lastw eek were indeed without power or transportation. And you know what? Considering everything, the response was fast and the recovery has been very, very good. Power has been restored to the vast majority of the city, the trains and busses are running with fairly intelligent changes to services where there are still issues, and... things are working well.

What the fark is Rudy or anyone else saying Obama or, well, anyone else should have done? Biggest storm to hit the city and biggest flood recorded in Manhattan, and the place is running again in a week (most neighborhoods sooner, many neighborhoods not losing power at all). What the fark is their problem?
 
2012-11-05 04:46:39 PM

jvl: Time will tell if FEMA has learned anything new.

Hurricane Katrina was hardly FEMA's turn playing the part of national disgrace.


The hell?

Let's examine major American disasters since 1990, shall we? I'll put in bold all the times FEMA got royally biatchslapped for farking up the response, and I'll make smaller all the times they got high praise for their response (no formatting for those I can't remember positively or negatively):
-WTC (1993)
-OKC (1995)

-Florida hurricanes (1990-2012)
-Joplin tornadoes (2011)
-WTC (2001)

-Katrina (2005)
-Rita (2005)
-Sandy (2012)

Maybe "in recent memory" should have been said there? Or...well, hmmm. Since FEMA only really got started in the late 70's, there's not a huge amount of history there. Looks to me like some neutral stuff (though, how can disaster aid not be neutral at worst?), a single big negative, and a whole lot of positives - mostly when James Witt was running things.

// hat-tip to Craig Fugate, and endless raspberries at Mike Brown
 
2012-11-05 04:47:21 PM

kbronsito: It was a terrible response. FEMA responded too quickly to this storm!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ex-fema-director-michael-brown-cr i ticizes-obama-reacting-202803013.html


Dayum. I had to check the URL twice to be sure it wasn't The Onion. Ol' Brownie saying the response was too soon sounds just like satire.
 
2012-11-05 04:48:21 PM
Stop your messing around,
Better think of your future.
Time you straighten right out,
Creating problems in town.
Rudy, a message to you Rudy.
A message to you.
Stop your fooling around.
Time you straighten right out.
Better think of your future,
As you wind up in jail.
Rudy, a message to you Rudy.
A message to you.
Stop your messing around.
Better think of your future.
Time you straighten right out,
Creating problems in town.
Rudy, a message to you Rudy.
A message to you Rudy.
Oh, its a message to you Rudy.
Yeah, its a message to you Rudy.
its a message to you Rudy...
 
2012-11-05 04:48:22 PM

Bloody William: What the fark is their problem?


The President is near.
 
jvl
2012-11-05 04:48:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: Let's examine major American disasters since 1990, shall we?


*golf clap*

You missed the biggest screwup by three months.
 
2012-11-05 04:50:15 PM
The same Rudy Guliani who has been a paid shill for the MEK (Mujahadeen-e-Khalq) while they were on the US State Dept list of Terrorist organizations. This was another felony that the powers that be looked the other way on because they are now OUR terrorists.

He has become a caricature who will say anything and everything if it will enrich him.
 
2012-11-05 05:05:40 PM
So, we held supplies from going in for 6 days on the East Coast while holding everyone in at gunpoint?

Gee, I don't remember that.

Video of Shepard Smith confirming that Katrina victims were held in at gunpoint... goto 5:20 in the clip if you want to skip the Geraldo drama.
 
2012-11-05 05:08:45 PM

GAT_00: vpb: Heck of a job 9/11 Rudy.

Now with more Rudy.

 


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ecl
2012-11-05 05:18:34 PM
Did they just kill the smart funny system?
 
2012-11-05 05:26:35 PM

o5iiawah: Yes, because a class full of elementary school children should have heard exactly what happened, right there, on the spot. The fact that Bush didn't jump up out of his seat, tell everyone, pull out his ivory revolvers and point them towards Mecca was a sign of weakness.


Which is the exact same narrative that the GOP is using on the Libyan attack on the consulate.
 
2012-11-05 05:27:02 PM

PreMortem: Giuliani has become no better that Rush, Hannity, and Coulter. A hack who gets paid to say whatever nonsense republitards with eat up.


/agreed. I liked his handling of the emergency response on 9/11, but now it seems that he has turned into a derp spewing neocon that warrants no respect at all.
 
2012-11-05 05:32:57 PM
The funny/sad thing is despite all this outright lies the country is still for the most part split down the middle. I'm not sure what this say about Americans in general...
 
2012-11-05 05:35:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: The funny/sad thing is despite all this outright lies the country is still for the most part split down the middle. I'm not sure what this say about Americans in general...


That about half of them are burning with stupid.
 
2012-11-05 05:40:47 PM

Ilmarinen: o5iiawah: Yes, because a class full of elementary school children should have heard exactly what happened, right there, on the spot. The fact that Bush didn't jump up out of his seat, tell everyone, pull out his ivory revolvers and point them towards Mecca was a sign of weakness.

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(Emergency occurs in major Democrat-voting area.)

Obama: CUT THE RED TAPE*!!!


*that my party has championed since forever*

legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.

SlothB77: Because nothing gets you reelected like having millions of your own citizens suffer through the cold without food, water, shelter, gas or power for the week befor the election.

Strong arguments from the Fark right.


I think it's important to give them a voice. It will make it easier for the drones to find them so they can be relocated to FEMA camps in that liberal bastion, the north east. A 1000 years of darkness is coming and their types need to get it out of their system, I don't think our new kenyan, marxist, chinese, russian, socialist overlords are going to put up with that kind of rabble rousing once obama hands over the keys to the UN and they start going door to door to collect all of our guns.
 
2012-11-05 05:40:55 PM
Is there any lie these farking coonts wont tell? I mean honestly, 9ul1an1 we all watch the farking news you twat. We saw both live with our own eyes. Dont sell us this shiat you farking partisan farking biatch!
 
jvl
2012-11-05 05:46:19 PM

rudemix: Whaaaaaaaarbargl!!!!


Whoa there. Just take a moment, think this through, and consider that there are brands that taste just as good and only have half the caffeine.
 
2012-11-05 05:53:25 PM

legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.


Remember: i before e, except after c and in "weirdo." Also, remember not to resort to tired cliches like calling Obama "messiah," because it makes you look really ignorant and uninformed.
 
2012-11-05 05:55:32 PM

advex101: Rudy, your 15 minutes are up. Go away.


Aw, so close to do another "eleven" joke. So sorry.
 
2012-11-05 05:57:08 PM
I love how he uses Bush's abysmal response to Katrina as his standard of abject disaster response. "This was so bad, why, it's even worse than George Bush - Oh elect Mitt Romney".
 
2012-11-05 06:00:48 PM
How does Guiliani have time to comment of FEMA? Shouldn't he and his whore be busy tormenting dogs?
 
2012-11-05 06:00:54 PM

StopLurkListen: advex101: Rudy, your 15 minutes are up. Go away.

Aw, so close to do another "eleven" joke. So sorry.


Rudy got 20 minutes. (9+11)
 
2012-11-05 06:36:39 PM

alaric3: Katrina didn't respond to Hurricane Sandy at all.


And Bush didn`t respond to Katrina either until he was forced to.
 
2012-11-05 06:57:57 PM

El_Perro: Latinwolf: jvl: thurstonxhowell: jvl: All Presidents get blamed for insufficient disaster relief after major natural disasters. Looks to me like Obama is going to get lucky though and the unfair blame will mostly occur after the election.

All presidents get blamed for insufficient disaster relief when their is insufficient disaster relief. The response to Sandy has been a study in how to do it right.

It's bit early to judge. Katrina was more obvious one week in due to the people left in the Superdome. Also, the fact that Bush had a moron in charge of FEMA. I imagine when the subways still don't work in a month, people will blame the Army Corp (and Obama) for being unprepared even though that's obviously New York's responsibility to be prepared for.

Most of the subways are up and running, the only lines still not working are parts of the R and L trains.

And the G (if that counts as a train)


My bad, how could I forget the stepchild of the transit system.
 
2012-11-05 07:02:54 PM

Latinwolf: El_Perro: Latinwolf: jvl: thurstonxhowell: jvl: All Presidents get blamed for insufficient disaster relief after major natural disasters. Looks to me like Obama is going to get lucky though and the unfair blame will mostly occur after the election.

All presidents get blamed for insufficient disaster relief when their is insufficient disaster relief. The response to Sandy has been a study in how to do it right.

It's bit early to judge. Katrina was more obvious one week in due to the people left in the Superdome. Also, the fact that Bush had a moron in charge of FEMA. I imagine when the subways still don't work in a month, people will blame the Army Corp (and Obama) for being unprepared even though that's obviously New York's responsibility to be prepared for.

Most of the subways are up and running, the only lines still not working are parts of the R and L trains.

And the G (if that counts as a train)

My bad, how could I forget the stepchild of the transit system.


Easily, Latinwolf. Easily.
 
2012-11-05 07:07:31 PM

Latinwolf: My bad, how could I forget the stepchild of the transit system.


The Franklin Street S was up and running again before the G. What does THAT tell you?
 
2012-11-05 07:09:09 PM

Latinwolf: And the G (if that counts as a train)

My bad, how could I forget the stepchild of the transit system.


I need to amend your comment. The G Train deserves a special description to really describe the experience of that particular route. 

"My bad, how could I forget the temperamentally difficult, defiant, stubborn, loud, picky, impossible at bedtime, irresponsible at mealtimes, clingy, shy and whiny stepchild of the transit system."

There....that's better.
 
2012-11-05 07:11:32 PM
We need to send more wheelchairs to NJ and NY.

brian.io
 
2012-11-05 07:27:56 PM

ecl: Did they just kill the smart funny system?


The hurricane took it out.

WHY HASN'T FEMA FIXED THE "FUNNY" AND "SMART" BUTTONS YET?!?!?!?!
 
2012-11-05 07:39:10 PM

homelessdude: Latinwolf: And the G (if that counts as a train)

My bad, how could I forget the stepchild of the transit system.

I need to amend your comment. The G Train deserves a special description to really describe the experience of that particular route. 

"My bad, how could I forget the temperamentally difficult, defiant, stubborn, loud, picky, impossible at bedtime, irresponsible at mealtimes, clingy, shy and whiny stepchild of the transit system."

There....that's better.


I just assumed that the G may not have sustained any damage at all, it's just that the MTA hasn't gotten around to checking on it yet.
 
2012-11-05 07:41:04 PM

Vodka Zombie: ManateeGag: I didn't realize Obama did a flyover. what were all those pictures with Christie. a farking hologram?

They've been dating. Most of those pictures were taken during a lunch date at Bennigan's.


Bennigan's? I don't even realize that Christie and Obama were Star Wars fans (nsfw language).
 
2012-11-05 07:51:03 PM

legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.


Ever notice how only wingnuts call Obama a messiah?
 
2012-11-05 08:06:20 PM

PunGent: legalgus: Love to hear little liberal wierdos squeal when anyone criticizes their messiah. Go for it libs, it's the only thing you're good at.

Ever notice how only wingnuts call Obama a messiah?


No, but I do notice how angry liberals get when you point out that Barack Hussein Christ left an ambassador to die, possible because he found out that Obama was running guns to Syria.
 
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