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2012-11-05 01:29:23 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-05 01:29:37 PM

yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.


Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160. (Source)

In practice, all branches are apportioned general/admiral positions based on roughly how many active duty personnel they have, with some adjustments for rotating and joint commends.
 
2012-11-05 01:29:39 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Dogberry: MorrisBird: I wonder where the ad is published. As in, what periodical?

The Washington Times.

There's your problem.

/pleased MorrisBird called it a 'periodical' and not a 'newspaper'


I think "birdcage liner" is a more apt name.
 
2012-11-05 01:29:48 PM

sprawl15: Amusingly enough, the majority of these names (about 400) are already on Romney's Military Advisory Council, making their independent donation to Romney as meaningful as any other staffer's.


Wow, 500 Generals and Admirals pool their paltry pensions to pay for an ad in The Washington Times. That's some fine donation there, Lou.
 
2012-11-05 01:32:45 PM
When 100's of economists put out the call that bush's economic policy spelled out disaster (they were right), the filthy GOPers put their fingers in their ears bleated "la la la".

So, tell me why would anyone should listen to a bunch of baby killers living off of tax dollars?
 
2012-11-05 01:33:47 PM
Pffft...no General Electric, General Mills, or Captain (USN-ret) Crunch. List is bogus.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: I think "birdcage liner" is a more apt name.


For some reason I LOL'd (and checked the Funny box).
 
2012-11-05 01:35:23 PM
Tommy Franks: hoping for a reach around, not going to even get stink-fingered by Romney.
 
2012-11-05 01:36:06 PM
You can't get yourself one of those cushy Fox News jobs where you advocate for war in every instance and Monday Morning Quarterback the military's moves if there is no war.


/honorarium
 
2012-11-05 01:37:28 PM
There hasn't been one decent tank battle since Obama took office. Not one! How are you going to recruit any soldiers with that record? "Hey son, you want to fly a remote-controlled drone for hours on end from a dark room in Arizona?" Does that sound like military glory to you?
 
2012-11-05 01:38:02 PM

wippit: [upload.wikimedia.org image 499x301]


i1091.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-05 01:39:31 PM

StoneColdAtheist: yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.

Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160.


If there are 568 generals and 368 of them come from the Air Force and Navy, then most generals come from the Air Force and Navy.
 
2012-11-05 01:41:59 PM
How many current ones do?
 
2012-11-05 01:45:46 PM
Thanks for the info. What I was trying to say, poorly, is that the Navy and Air Force are officer heavy through out compared to Army and Marine Corps.

/Also I'm confused as to why the Air Force is allowed 9 Four Star generals out of a total of 208 flag rank officers while the Army is only allowed 7 Four Stars out of 230 flag rank officers.
 
2012-11-05 01:45:54 PM

Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.


Clinton hid out in England not France.
 
2012-11-05 01:53:20 PM
I will bet a lot of these guys are the ones who David Hackworth criticized in "Hazardous Duty."
 
2012-11-05 01:55:59 PM

Lost Thought 00: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.

Like any good government job, they can retire after something like 35 years of service and receive a full pension.


20 for the military.
 
2012-11-05 01:56:12 PM
Whats good for the Halliburton Corporation is good for Amerika!
 
2012-11-05 01:56:15 PM
There is something skeevy about this list. Just a quick look at the various names, it was far too easy to gather that list and assemble those names. Also, the fact that this posting was populated on so many boards so effectively over the past few days, leads me to think this is a sham. The whole thing looks like a forced meme as opposed to a naturally occurring one

I am sure some of these people support Romney, but the whole thing as a glaring endorsement does not pass the sniff test. At least for now. 

Doesn't matter though. Most undecideds at this point are probably drunks and won't sober up until after the polls close. So the chance of swaying votes one way or another is moot.
 
2012-11-05 01:56:41 PM

thurstonxhowell: StoneColdAtheist: yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.

Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160.

If there are 568 generals and 368 of them come from the Air Force and Navy, then most generals come from the Air Force and Navy.


LOL...

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2012-11-05 01:59:52 PM

Empty Matchbook: How many current ones do?


not that it matters but, rules prohibit that.
Just sayen.
 
2012-11-05 02:02:50 PM

bullwrinkle: Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.

Clinton hid out in England not France.


Clinton never protested for the war, nor was he hilariously wrong about bin Laden.

Thanks for playing, though, here's your potatoe.
 
2012-11-05 02:06:17 PM
VJStinger:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x322]
 
*zoink*

 
 
2012-11-05 02:25:01 PM

Shabash: FTFA: Lieutenant Generalen Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)

WTF?

Here's his official bio: (Fark won't link, but you should be able to copypasta) https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSO N_ID=492&PERSON_TYPE=General). It's full of typos, which is strange -- usually the USMC PR guys are pretty conscious about their image. Also no mention of his call sign being "Assassin" -- but no surprise there.

Farkers commenting above are undoubtedly correct about most of these guys being on defense boards. Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.

I worked for or around a few of these guys, and I'm really disappointed to see their names on here.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x267]

Tommy Franks is of course the biggest name on the list. And deserves a good chunk of the blame for the problems in Iraq, per this Tom Ricks article in The Atlantic that indicts many more Army generals.


That was a great article. Thanks.
 
2012-11-05 02:30:41 PM

FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]


what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.
 
2012-11-05 02:49:31 PM
Seems like 500 retired generals and admirals are probably Republicans anyway who are still pissed off gays and lesbians can serve their country out of the closet now.

/They can vote just like the rest of us. 
//One vote per person instead of one vote per star.
 
2012-11-05 02:51:18 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: God Damn, that's a lot of generals and admirals. I wonder how many of them actually did jobs that require more than a captain's rank?


THIS. I've spent time in an Army division headquarters and an Air Force fighter wing staff. It's amazing how much brass is in the military, especially at the field-grade and flag levels.

First things I would do if someone made me SecDef for a week?

1. Cap retention after 20 years down to 5% of the force, after 25 years to 2%, after 30 years to 0.5%. People are sticking around far too long on both the officer and enlisted sides... their operational knowledge has long faded, and they are far too resistant to change military doctrine.

2. Systematically consolidate Pentagon programs with similar functions at the Major Command levels. Numerous offices at the Pentagon exist only to duplicate efforts that are already being taken in the field. I think the Pentagon should exist only for service-wide programs and leadership.

3. Downgrade the position of any flag officer who isn't in a command (or deputy/vice command) position. Many staff-level duties can be handled by field-grade officers, and many of those upper-echelon field-grade officer duties could be handled by junior officers. Same thing on the NCO side... many senior NCO billets at higher echelons could stand to be downgraded at least one level. This will also support #1 by putting younger officers and NCOs into positions where they will have more influence.

The end goal would be a reduction in flag officers by at least 50%. It's simply a level of bureaucracy that harms our military more than it helps it.
 
2012-11-05 02:52:06 PM
Pretty sure this list came out months ago.

There are 8 GENs and LTGs within 100 feet of me right now. None of their names are on the list. To put it another way, 500 is a very small % of living general officers. It's like saying 500 McDonalds franchises support Romney.
 
2012-11-05 02:53:11 PM
So a bunch of Viagra-gobbling warmongers who are (thankfully) out of power grumble and snort that they'd much prefer a President to help start World War III.

*Citizen Kane applause*
 
2012-11-05 02:57:51 PM
Wonder what Shelton's problem is - he was a Hillary endorser.

Nobody I remember working for in the last 19 years is on that list. Surprising, actually.

/Crocker, Keane, Clark, Shinseki, Cody, Roughead, Cartwright, Mullen, Freakley, Johnson, Petraeus(not in order)
//Yes, I know Petraeus can't be on here anyway
 
2012-11-05 03:02:52 PM
because they know military leadership when they see it:

www.straight.com
 
2012-11-05 03:04:39 PM
This is an entire generation of officers that have had a
Blank Check to do what ever they wanted to piss American money on

Of course they want to keep the good times Rollin' in
American roads and infrastructure be damned
 
2012-11-05 03:08:50 PM

SphericalTime: . . . retired? What about current ones?


Exactly.
 
Ehh
2012-11-05 03:12:27 PM
Are General Peckhem and General Dreedle on the list?

/Probably not Powell or Taguba
 
2012-11-05 03:13:18 PM
Clearly retired generals don't depend on Social Security.
 
2012-11-05 03:15:18 PM
If 500 retired flag officers endorse one position, I will take the opposite.

/13 years in, 7 to go
 
2012-11-05 03:15:30 PM

Shabash: FTFA: Lieutenant Generalen Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)

WTF?

Here's his official bio: (Fark won't link, but you should be able to copypasta) https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSO N_ID=492&PERSON_TYPE=General). It's full of typos, which is strange -- usually the USMC PR guys are pretty conscious about their image. Also no mention of his call sign being "Assassin" -- but no surprise there.

Farkers commenting above are undoubtedly correct about most of these guys being on defense boards. Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.

I worked for or around a few of these guys, and I'm really disappointed to see their names on here.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x267]

Tommy Franks is of course the biggest name on the list. And deserves a good chunk of the blame for the problems in Iraq, per this Tom Ricks article in The Atlantic that indicts many more Army generals.


Good lord that's an interesting article. Thanks for posting.
 
2012-11-05 03:15:57 PM

Ehh: General Dreedle


I dunno, but his assistant was smoking hot. 

sfw
 
2012-11-05 03:26:43 PM

Ehh: Are General Peckhem and General Dreedle on the list?

/Probably not Powell or Taguba


The Dreedle Song

I have a little Dreedle
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready
Then Dreedle I shall play

CHORUS
Oh Dreedle Dreedle Dreedle
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready
Then Dreedle I shall play

It has a lovely body
With legs so short and thin
And when it is so tired
It drops and then I win!

CHORUS
My Dreedle's always playful
It loves to dance and spin
A happy game of Dreedle
Come play now, let's begin!

/I'm sorry
 
2012-11-05 03:31:23 PM

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


Exactly my thought.
 
2012-11-05 03:33:41 PM

squidgod2000: Pretty sure this list came out months ago.

There are 8 GENs and LTGs within 100 feet of me right now. None of their names are on the list. To put it another way, 500 is a very small % of living general officers. It's like saying 500 McDonalds franchises support Romney.


I wouldn't sign a petition to fire my boss either.

/just sayin'
 
2012-11-05 03:39:32 PM
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Look, they have six of the eight generals who were in on this. That's nice.
 
2012-11-05 04:04:15 PM

madgonad: historynow11: I actually know the one name on the list. I can state honestly that he has no defense contractor affiliations. He's only been retired for almost 40 years.

\Still tired of the "if your are/were in the military, you must support the GOP" line.

I highly doubt that 40 year number. If he was a reservist he cannot retire until 60, which would make him 100. If he was active duty AND a general he could probably have retired at 45-50 with a star. That would still make him way to old to be working NOW.

FYI - you can retire as early as age 37 in the military and start drawing your pension. These guys are the ultimate in socialism - being able to spend 20 years working and the rest of your life in retirement. Both military and government retirement rules need to change NOW.


I enlisted at 17 and retired as an E-7 at 37 after 20 years of 24/7 service, 365 days a year. That's about 60+ years of employment based on an eight hour work day for most civilians have . . . I can't speak for civil service, but if the military's retirement system was such a sweet deal, why doesn't everyone stay in and collect those big bucks?
 
2012-11-05 04:10:25 PM

skullkrusher: FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]

what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.


Wow I got YOUR knickers in a twist. I must be doing something right.
 
2012-11-05 04:14:19 PM

FarkedOver: skullkrusher: FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]

what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.

Wow I got YOUR knickers in a twist. I must be doing something right.


I can't tell when you're kidding anymore. Poe's law but for pinkos
 
2012-11-05 04:16:03 PM

priapus54: 20 years of 24/7 service, 365 days a year


20 years in and they didn't even let you sleep?! You've earned your rest, son.
 
2012-11-05 04:34:03 PM
500 reasons to vote for Obama.
 
2012-11-05 04:39:28 PM

mutterfark: They've got the pistols so they get the pesos.


Yeah that seems fair
 
2012-11-05 04:42:01 PM
"We, the undersigned, are either senile or stupid."

FTFY, retirees.

/Jesus H. Fark, I thought you lot were supposed to protect America.
 
2012-11-05 04:45:14 PM

Arkanaut: There hasn't been one decent tank battle since Obama took office. Not one! How are you going to recruit any soldiers with that record? "Hey son, you want to fly a remote-controlled drone for hours on end from a dark room in Arizona?" Does that sound like military glory to you?


Look grandpa once we get our Cybernetic Lifeform Nodes on-line the human element in war will be limited to point and click.
 
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