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2012-11-05 11:55:25 AM  
Was Admiral Kirk on that list?

s16.postimage.org
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-05 11:57:51 AM  
i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?
 
2012-11-05 11:59:57 AM  
Checks list for Richard Secord. Yup.
 
2012-11-05 12:02:03 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


Exactly.
 
2012-11-05 12:02:09 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


This.
 
2012-11-05 12:04:39 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


My first thought exactly.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:32 PM  
I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.
 
2012-11-05 12:07:37 PM  
I wonder where the ad is published. As in, what periodical?
 
2012-11-05 12:14:28 PM  

MorrisBird: I wonder where the ad is published. As in, what periodical?


The Washington Times.
 
2012-11-05 12:15:33 PM  
That's nice, but based on what?
 
2012-11-05 12:16:13 PM  
As I noted in the redlit thread: if they'd like to return their retirement checks in protest I'm sure no one would complain
 
2012-11-05 12:16:48 PM  
And it's not too late to downvote yesterday's redlit thread.
 
2012-11-05 12:21:02 PM  
yawn
 
2012-11-05 12:25:48 PM  
Call me when it's 10,000 lower ranking enlisted men and women. You know, the ones who will actually be getting killed on the field of battle.
 
2012-11-05 12:33:12 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


I'd say more than half.

Cythraul: Call me when it's 10,000 lower ranking enlisted men and women. You know, the ones who will actually be getting killed on the field of battle.


So... much... this.
 
2012-11-05 12:39:22 PM  
. . . retired? What about current ones?
 
2012-11-05 12:41:42 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


sfist.com
 
2012-11-05 12:45:05 PM  
The military industrial complex supports itself.
 
2012-11-05 12:47:39 PM  

vernonFL: The military industrial complex supports itself.


It also lobbies Congress. Using money it gets from Congress.

cdn.instructables.com
 
2012-11-05 12:53:48 PM  
Can I haz more defense money that army / navy I don't work for anymore isn't requesting so I can consult with firm to make more shiat we don't need?

PLEASE!
 
2012-11-05 12:54:46 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


All of them.
 
2012-11-05 12:54:48 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now don't work for defense contractors?


I prefer shorter lists.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:13 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


Done in two.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:20 PM  
I didn't know the Third Reich had that many generals left.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:32 PM  

Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.


vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


I think we are done here
 
2012-11-05 12:55:46 PM  

spelletrader: vpb: i wonder how many of them now don't work for defense contractors?

I prefer shorter lists.


Well in that case, here you go:
1.

And we are done.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:50 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
Why does anyone care what the Washington Generals have to say? They can't even keep their shorts on in a simple game of basketball...
 
2012-11-05 12:56:31 PM  
I actually know the one name on the list. I can state honestly that he has no defense contractor affiliations. He's only been retired for almost 40 years.

\Still tired of the "if your are/were in the military, you must support the GOP" line.
 
2012-11-05 12:56:37 PM  

ghall3: spelletrader: vpb: i wonder how many of them now don't work for defense contractors?

I prefer shorter lists.

Well in that case, here you go:
1.

And we are done.


Exactly!
 
2012-11-05 12:56:44 PM  
www.supportourribbons.com
 
2012-11-05 12:56:54 PM  
Guys, you're doing it wrong. By getting Obama voted out of office, you don't get to retroactively rewrite the history books to say you didn't work for a black man from 1/20/2009 - 1/20/2013.
 
2012-11-05 12:56:57 PM  

TheMysticS: vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?

All of them.


Aaand, it was covered.
Can't even read through a short thread before posting.

Also, Washington Times.
They probably let them have it for free.
 
2012-11-05 12:58:22 PM  
You're going to need more than 500 retirees to take on the Russian Bear, Mitt.
 
2012-11-05 12:58:42 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?

 
2012-11-05 12:58:43 PM  
Meanwhile, 68 Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences have endorsed Obama.

Thinking about which direction I want our country to go towards in the future, I'll value the opinion of the brightest scientists over those of career military men.
 
2012-11-05 12:59:10 PM  

Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.


Chickenhawks. Now 50% more pussified and 50% more audacious in sending others to die while your contractor buddies get rich!
 
2012-11-05 12:59:18 PM  
1 I don't care what 500 retirees have to say about anything
2 I don't care who you used to work for
 
2012-11-05 01:00:07 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Meanwhile, 68 Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences have endorsed Obama.

Thinking about which direction I want our country to go towards in the future, I'll value the opinion of the brightest scientists over those of career military men who stand to benefit greatly from an expanded Romney military.


FTFY
 
2012-11-05 01:00:57 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


Thread over. Shut it down.
 
2012-11-05 01:01:01 PM  
It's just names without even a single sentence regarding why? Yeah, thanks guys for your service, but I'm not putting the magic-underwear guy who would have asked Pakistan permission to get OBL in charge of anything.
 
2012-11-05 01:01:25 PM  

SphericalTime: . . . retired? What about current ones?


It is against the UCMJ for a uniformed member of the armed services to endorse political candidates. It is also against the UCMJ to endorse candidates in declaration of their military status. Those rules go away at retirement.

And yes, these generals are sucking deeply at the government teat - retired generals rake in about 65-80k from retirement until they and their spouse dies. Oh, and yes, many of these guys are double-dipping at cushy military contractor jobs which mean big money for Romney's promised massive spending increase on weapon systems.
 
2012-11-05 01:01:31 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


If it's so transparent even I can see it, it's pretty transparent.
 
2012-11-05 01:01:45 PM  
We should listen to these men. They know the supplies we need to take on the Kaiser and his Hun horde
 
2012-11-05 01:01:47 PM  
Old White Rich Protestants support Republican. News at 11
 
2012-11-05 01:02:21 PM  
authoritative old white guys support authoritative old white guy. go figure.
 
2012-11-05 01:02:45 PM  
headline should read:

500 old mostly white guys endorse the white guy who will keep giving them tax money because socialism is bad.
 
2012-11-05 01:02:45 PM  
They also want you to get off their lawns.
 
2012-11-05 01:02:59 PM  
FTFA: Lieutenant Generalen Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)

WTF?

Here's his official bio: (Fark won't link, but you should be able to copypasta) https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSO N_ID=492&PERSON_TYPE=General). It's full of typos, which is strange -- usually the USMC PR guys are pretty conscious about their image. Also no mention of his call sign being "Assassin" -- but no surprise there.

Farkers commenting above are undoubtedly correct about most of these guys being on defense boards. Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.

I worked for or around a few of these guys, and I'm really disappointed to see their names on here.

cdn.theatlantic.com

Tommy Franks is of course the biggest name on the list. And deserves a good chunk of the blame for the problems in Iraq, per this Tom Ricks article in The Atlantic that indicts many more Army generals.
 
2012-11-05 01:03:51 PM  

Dogberry: MorrisBird: I wonder where the ad is published. As in, what periodical?

The Washington Times.


There's your problem.

/pleased MorrisBird called it a 'periodical' and not a 'newspaper'
 
2012-11-05 01:04:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: That's nice, but based on what?


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-05 01:04:18 PM  
There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.
 
2012-11-05 01:04:40 PM  
Amusingly enough, the majority of these names (about 400) are already on Romney's Military Advisory Council, making their independent donation to Romney as meaningful as any other staffer's.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:04 PM  

smitty04: Lando Lincoln: That's nice, but based on what?

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So Romney would have forced the GOP to pay for embassy security?

So Romney would have reacted before all the facts were in (oh wait, he did, the GOP roundly condemned him for it).

Try again, shiatmitter.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:24 PM  
As one of them was probably my father, I think I'll do the opposite of whatever the heck it is that they're suggesting.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:37 PM  

rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.


Like any good government job, they can retire after something like 35 years of service and receive a full pension.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:44 PM  
that add was terrible. they could have at least chipped in for some small amount of design work
 
2012-11-05 01:06:44 PM  

smitty04: Lando Lincoln: That's nice, but based on what?

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BAWWWWWWWWWWWW, OUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE OBAMA LOOK LIKE CARTER DIDN'T WORK, BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW
 
2012-11-05 01:06:46 PM  

historynow11: I actually know the one name on the list. I can state honestly that he has no defense contractor affiliations. He's only been retired for almost 40 years.

\Still tired of the "if your are/were in the military, you must support the GOP" line.


The line is stale, to be certain. When I was in the Navy, I was told this line as well, but more of a present tense "you're in the military, you must vote Republican." The thinking was, only the Republicans give us the money we need. Strangely enough, my pay increased more during Clinton's presidency than it did under Bush. Still, of my old Navy pals that I keep up with, all of them are voting Romney. And the ones I keep in touch with aren't the "fark you, I got mine" types and don't really care about conservative social matters. So I kindof scratch my head on that. One of my best buddies from the Navy is married to a flower child and is an artsy type himself, caricature of a liberal commie hippy family, but he's voting Romney. I don't agree with the sentiment of "military votes GOP" but unfortunately, it's what I see.
On a side note, I remember when Florida was contested back when Bush/Gore was going on, and people were saying that they didn't count all the military absentee ballots. And I thought to myself, "As much as I hate Bush, I don't see how absentee military ballots are going to help Gore's cause here."
 
2012-11-05 01:06:51 PM  
And what makes these Generals and Admirals more knowledgeable about what our country needs than anyone else? Also, for what reasons do they support Mitt Romney?

One of the worst people I've ever met and one of the best people I've ever met were in the military. Which means that have a military status is really no indication of you as a person.

Lastly, I'm sure there are a ton of ex-military who also support President Obama.
 
2012-11-05 01:07:12 PM  

rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.


They're not retired. They're pulling in consulting fees out the ass. Double dipping until they're dicks are green.
 
Ehh
2012-11-05 01:07:25 PM  
That, by itself, is a great reason not to vote for Mitt Romney.

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/masters-war
 
2012-11-05 01:07:47 PM  

coeyagi: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.

They're not retired. They're pulling in consulting fees out the ass. Double dipping until they'retheir dicks are green.

 

FTFM
 
2012-11-05 01:07:49 PM  

Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.


Jesus, somebody post the slow clap for this and turn the lights out. Thread over.
 
2012-11-05 01:08:02 PM  
They paid to put an ad endorsing Romney in the Washington Times? Good job wasting your money preaching to the choir, morons.
 
2012-11-05 01:08:21 PM  
As Republicans always like to say, that's what happens when you let voters that depend on government welfare vote.
 
2012-11-05 01:08:22 PM  

rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.


A quick google shows as of 2002, there was 875 serving officers of flag rank, to say nothing of the generations of retired ones.
 
2012-11-05 01:09:01 PM  

TabASlotB: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x343]
Why does anyone care what the Washington Generals have to say? They can't even keep their shorts on in a simple game of basketball...


January 5, 1971

Never forget. 100-99
 
2012-11-05 01:09:14 PM  

starsrift: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.

A quick google shows as of 2002, there was 875 serving officers of flag rank, to say nothing of the generations of retired ones.


Yeah, but how many of them were riding horses and brandishing bayonets on the way to work?
 
2012-11-05 01:09:45 PM  
Smoke & Mirrors

Tools of the Mephistophelian everywhere.
 
2012-11-05 01:09:50 PM  
But what do 30 Helens think?

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2012-11-05 01:10:35 PM  

historynow11: I actually know the one name on the list. I can state honestly that he has no defense contractor affiliations. He's only been retired for almost 40 years.

\Still tired of the "if your are/were in the military, you must support the GOP" line.


I highly doubt that 40 year number. If he was a reservist he cannot retire until 60, which would make him 100. If he was active duty AND a general he could probably have retired at 45-50 with a star. That would still make him way to old to be working NOW.

FYI - you can retire as early as age 37 in the military and start drawing your pension. These guys are the ultimate in socialism - being able to spend 20 years working and the rest of your life in retirement. Both military and government retirement rules need to change NOW.
 
2012-11-05 01:11:12 PM  
Rather than a long list of names, I would have been interested in a paragraph or two on why a two faced liar who has taken both sides of literally every relevant issue deserves their support.
 
2012-11-05 01:11:17 PM  

Shabash: Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.


Thanks, I wondered about that. So essentially they're just the core Republican demographic who also happen to be retired military. Cause, correlation, etc..
 
2012-11-05 01:12:25 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Meanwhile, 68 Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences have endorsed Obama.

Thinking about which direction I want our country to go towards in the future, I'll value the opinion of the brightest scientists over those of career military men.


Being in the Marine Corps, and having to choose between NOBEL PRIZE LAUREATES in sciences and hypocritical generals who
1. Didn't care for the troops...used them as career props
2. Used the military to set up their own "1%" of senior officers who got ridiculous perks, advantages, and everything else. And don't even think or ask about the way they treat themselves as royalty WHILE DEPLOYED
3. Wouldn't know how to lead themselves out a wet paper bag let alone try to effectively lead.

You best believe I'm running with the scientists on this one. Being a general or admiral in the military is no measure of intelligence, trust me.

They only want to enrich their own pockets. They have no genuine interest in America's progressing forward.

Scientists all the way. fark these flaming cockbag field grades. You got your retirement, you set yourselves up with defense contractors to rape and pillage the treasury, so shut the fark up.
/
 
2012-11-05 01:12:48 PM  

thurstonxhowell: They paid to put an ad endorsing Romney in the Washington Times? Good job wasting your money preaching to the choir, morons.


They are covering their asses. Soon they will get farked and call it rape. Rape rape as in legitimate rape. This way they can complain when they lose their defense contract.

See I told you so; but remember the government doesn't create Jobs.
 
2012-11-05 01:13:58 PM  

Guuberre: But what do 30 Helens think?

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What about the Daves I know?
 
2012-11-05 01:14:06 PM  

Lost Thought 00: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.

Like any good government job, they can retire after something like 35 years of service and receive a full pension.


Twenty.
 
2012-11-05 01:14:39 PM  

RyogaM: It's just names without even a single sentence regarding why? Yeah, thanks guys for your service, but I'm not putting the magic-underwear guy who would have asked Pakistan permission to get OBL in charge of anything.


I published a whole book filled with the names (and phone numbers) of people endorsing me for president. The businesses that support me are listed separately in the back and printed on yellow paper to differentiate.
 
2012-11-05 01:15:25 PM  
But what do 30 Helens have to say on the matter?
 
2012-11-05 01:15:32 PM  

rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?


No. There are about 6000 living retired generals and admirals. About 20% have endorsed Romney.

Good thing they published that list today. Had there been just one more day to respond before the election tomorrow I imagine interested parties would have no problem matching that number endorsing Obama. Chickenhawks indeed.
 
2012-11-05 01:16:05 PM  
at their own expense,

Wow, I'm sure 1/500th of the cost really set them back a few bucks.
 
2012-11-05 01:16:32 PM  
Good for them... I'm still voting for Obama.
 
2012-11-05 01:16:51 PM  
Let me guess: it touts Romney's war record? So it's a blank page?
 
2012-11-05 01:18:11 PM  

SphericalTime: . . . retired? What about current ones?


The military is apolitical, by design, and they're not permitted to endorse candidates on active duty. They are permitted to vote, by many don't. My dad didn't vote until he retired.

//Trust me, you want active duty people who respect that and follow the commander in chief, no matter their personal feelings. When you lose that, you can lose everything.

markie_farkie: vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?

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Eh, I work with Admiral Carey (James J.) on there... he's a huge repub, but he also works with (or for) Pew, as well as the Flag & General Officers Network. Basically, he lobbies but mostly about healthcare & voting stuff... I don't think it's for weapons systems & shiat. I sure don't do any of that stuff, just personnel.
 
2012-11-05 01:18:15 PM  

madgonad: SphericalTime: . . . retired? What about current ones?

It is against the UCMJ for a uniformed member of the armed services to endorse political candidates. It is also against the UCMJ to endorse candidates in declaration of their military status. Those rules go away at retirement.

And yes, these generals are sucking deeply at the government teat - retired generals rake in about 65-80k from retirement until they and their spouse dies. Oh, and yes, many of these guys are double-dipping at cushy military contractor jobs which mean big money for Romney's promised massive spending increase on weapon systems.


Don't forget the free healthcare for life! Spouses included. Also, any dependents.

My husband works for the DoD, technically he's a civilian employee of navy air. He's not allowed to stump for or against candidates, either.
He had to finally ask a friend of ours, master chief retired but working for the government, to stop sending the FW:ad infinitum emails. He just got sick of them, but pointed out he could lose his job over them.
They stopped pretty quickly. Who knows if he kept sending them to the other racist farks on his list, but damn. The disrespect for your Commander- in -Chief is just not professional.

Even these type of guys' hero, John Wayne (Marion) said he didn't vote for the President, but now that he was President, he was behind him all the way.

But this is not about race. Oh, no.
 
2012-11-05 01:18:33 PM  

Mi-5: hypocritical generals who
1. Didn't care for the troops...used them as career props
2. Used the military to set up their own "1%" of senior officers who got ridiculous perks, advantages, and everything else. And don't even think or ask about the way they treat themselves as royalty WHILE DEPLOYED
3. Wouldn't know how to lead themselves out a wet paper bag let alone try to effectively lead.


Broad brushes only make you look like a total farking idiot.
 
2012-11-05 01:18:38 PM  
Colin Powell on that list?
So how is this different from a list of CEOs and executives of defense contractors?

-- crickets ---
 
2012-11-05 01:20:04 PM  
Oooh, let me just pop the 'Halls of Montezuma' into my ipod and march on down to the polls!


Why should I listen to a General or Admirals endorsement vs anyone else?


/hope they remember it's my socialist tax money that's ultimately paying their retirements and full page Rmoney ads
 
2012-11-05 01:20:53 PM  

Guuberre: But what do 30 Helens think?

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*Shakes fist*

;)
 
2012-11-05 01:21:07 PM  
A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.

/if recall correctly, anything above two star needs Senate approval.
 
2012-11-05 01:23:23 PM  
This just in:

Retired generals launch war on empty chairs everywhere. So far the war isn't going well since only the non-retired military are the ones who give the orders.
 
2012-11-05 01:23:51 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


blastoh: 500 old mostly white guys endorse the white guy who will keep giving them tax money because socialism is bad.


sprawl15: Amusingly enough, the majority of these names (about 400) are already on Romney's Military Advisory Council, making their independent donation to Romney as meaningful as any other staffer's.


Does anything else really need to be said in this thread?
 
2012-11-05 01:24:20 PM  
With all due respect, sirs, go fark yourselves.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:57 PM  
Buncha guys getting fat as military contractors who are mad that Obama let the openly gay into their club.
 
2012-11-05 01:25:33 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

No. There are about 6000 living retired generals and admirals. About 20% have endorsed Romney.

Good thing they published that list today. Had there been just one more day to respond before the election tomorrow I imagine interested parties would have no problem matching that number endorsing Obama. Chickenhawks indeed.


God Damn, that's a lot of generals and admirals. I wonder how many of them actually did jobs that require more than a captain's rank?
 
2012-11-05 01:26:39 PM  

markie_farkie: vernonFL: The military industrial complex supports itself.

It also lobbies Congress. Using money it gets from Congress.

[cdn.instructables.com image 310x287]


I would much prefer the ouroboros myself really. Since I don't like associating idiotic things with my favorite moebius strip.

/I like playing Ace Combat
//Not that the aesops in the game are worthwhile
 
2012-11-05 01:26:40 PM  
After reading this thread, the news doesn't seem so 'Spiffy' anymore.
 
2012-11-05 01:26:41 PM  
I'll just leave this here...

www.darleenclick.com
 
2012-11-05 01:27:04 PM  
They've got the pistols so they get the pesos.
 
2012-11-05 01:28:00 PM  

readymix: absentee


Your mis-remembering what happened that election. Gore's campaign was well aware absentee ballots would not help his cause, which is why they sued to have them disqualified whenever possible: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122428&page=1
 
2012-11-05 01:29:23 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-05 01:29:37 PM  

yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.


Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160. (Source)

In practice, all branches are apportioned general/admiral positions based on roughly how many active duty personnel they have, with some adjustments for rotating and joint commends.
 
2012-11-05 01:29:39 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Dogberry: MorrisBird: I wonder where the ad is published. As in, what periodical?

The Washington Times.

There's your problem.

/pleased MorrisBird called it a 'periodical' and not a 'newspaper'


I think "birdcage liner" is a more apt name.
 
2012-11-05 01:29:48 PM  

sprawl15: Amusingly enough, the majority of these names (about 400) are already on Romney's Military Advisory Council, making their independent donation to Romney as meaningful as any other staffer's.


Wow, 500 Generals and Admirals pool their paltry pensions to pay for an ad in The Washington Times. That's some fine donation there, Lou.
 
2012-11-05 01:32:45 PM  
When 100's of economists put out the call that bush's economic policy spelled out disaster (they were right), the filthy GOPers put their fingers in their ears bleated "la la la".

So, tell me why would anyone should listen to a bunch of baby killers living off of tax dollars?
 
2012-11-05 01:33:47 PM  
Pffft...no General Electric, General Mills, or Captain (USN-ret) Crunch. List is bogus.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:51 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I think "birdcage liner" is a more apt name.


For some reason I LOL'd (and checked the Funny box).
 
2012-11-05 01:35:23 PM  
Tommy Franks: hoping for a reach around, not going to even get stink-fingered by Romney.
 
2012-11-05 01:36:06 PM  
You can't get yourself one of those cushy Fox News jobs where you advocate for war in every instance and Monday Morning Quarterback the military's moves if there is no war.


/honorarium
 
2012-11-05 01:37:28 PM  
There hasn't been one decent tank battle since Obama took office. Not one! How are you going to recruit any soldiers with that record? "Hey son, you want to fly a remote-controlled drone for hours on end from a dark room in Arizona?" Does that sound like military glory to you?
 
2012-11-05 01:38:02 PM  

wippit: [upload.wikimedia.org image 499x301]


i1091.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-05 01:39:31 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.

Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160.


If there are 568 generals and 368 of them come from the Air Force and Navy, then most generals come from the Air Force and Navy.
 
2012-11-05 01:41:59 PM  
How many current ones do?
 
2012-11-05 01:45:46 PM  
Thanks for the info. What I was trying to say, poorly, is that the Navy and Air Force are officer heavy through out compared to Army and Marine Corps.

/Also I'm confused as to why the Air Force is allowed 9 Four Star generals out of a total of 208 flag rank officers while the Army is only allowed 7 Four Stars out of 230 flag rank officers.
 
2012-11-05 01:45:54 PM  

Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.


Clinton hid out in England not France.
 
2012-11-05 01:53:20 PM  
I will bet a lot of these guys are the ones who David Hackworth criticized in "Hazardous Duty."
 
2012-11-05 01:55:59 PM  

Lost Thought 00: rnld: There are 500 retried Generals and Admirals?

Maybe the military is a little too big.

Like any good government job, they can retire after something like 35 years of service and receive a full pension.


20 for the military.
 
2012-11-05 01:56:12 PM  
Whats good for the Halliburton Corporation is good for Amerika!
 
2012-11-05 01:56:15 PM  
There is something skeevy about this list. Just a quick look at the various names, it was far too easy to gather that list and assemble those names. Also, the fact that this posting was populated on so many boards so effectively over the past few days, leads me to think this is a sham. The whole thing looks like a forced meme as opposed to a naturally occurring one

I am sure some of these people support Romney, but the whole thing as a glaring endorsement does not pass the sniff test. At least for now. 

Doesn't matter though. Most undecideds at this point are probably drunks and won't sober up until after the polls close. So the chance of swaying votes one way or another is moot.
 
2012-11-05 01:56:41 PM  

thurstonxhowell: StoneColdAtheist: yawn_stretch: A quick read of the list show 30 four stars. It appears the vast majority are 1 and 2 stars, with most of those coming from Air Force and Navy. Those two branches are officer heavy to begin with, especially Air Force.

Uh, no. The Army has 230 generals, the AF 208 and the Navy 160.

If there are 568 generals and 368 of them come from the Air Force and Navy, then most generals come from the Air Force and Navy.


LOL...

erroraccessdenied.com
 
2012-11-05 01:59:52 PM  

Empty Matchbook: How many current ones do?


not that it matters but, rules prohibit that.
Just sayen.
 
2012-11-05 02:02:50 PM  

bullwrinkle: Quasar: I can see how a draft dodger who hid in France while advocating for a war he wouldn't have to fight in who was hilariously wrong on getting Bin Laden would make a fine Commander in Chief.

Clinton hid out in England not France.


Clinton never protested for the war, nor was he hilariously wrong about bin Laden.

Thanks for playing, though, here's your potatoe.
 
2012-11-05 02:06:17 PM  
VJStinger:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x322]
 
*zoink*
 
2012-11-05 02:25:01 PM  

Shabash: FTFA: Lieutenant Generalen Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)

WTF?

Here's his official bio: (Fark won't link, but you should be able to copypasta) https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSO N_ID=492&PERSON_TYPE=General). It's full of typos, which is strange -- usually the USMC PR guys are pretty conscious about their image. Also no mention of his call sign being "Assassin" -- but no surprise there.

Farkers commenting above are undoubtedly correct about most of these guys being on defense boards. Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.

I worked for or around a few of these guys, and I'm really disappointed to see their names on here.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x267]

Tommy Franks is of course the biggest name on the list. And deserves a good chunk of the blame for the problems in Iraq, per this Tom Ricks article in The Atlantic that indicts many more Army generals.


That was a great article. Thanks.
 
2012-11-05 02:30:41 PM  

FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]


what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.
 
2012-11-05 02:49:31 PM  
Seems like 500 retired generals and admirals are probably Republicans anyway who are still pissed off gays and lesbians can serve their country out of the closet now.

/They can vote just like the rest of us. 
//One vote per person instead of one vote per star.
 
2012-11-05 02:51:18 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: God Damn, that's a lot of generals and admirals. I wonder how many of them actually did jobs that require more than a captain's rank?


THIS. I've spent time in an Army division headquarters and an Air Force fighter wing staff. It's amazing how much brass is in the military, especially at the field-grade and flag levels.

First things I would do if someone made me SecDef for a week?

1. Cap retention after 20 years down to 5% of the force, after 25 years to 2%, after 30 years to 0.5%. People are sticking around far too long on both the officer and enlisted sides... their operational knowledge has long faded, and they are far too resistant to change military doctrine.

2. Systematically consolidate Pentagon programs with similar functions at the Major Command levels. Numerous offices at the Pentagon exist only to duplicate efforts that are already being taken in the field. I think the Pentagon should exist only for service-wide programs and leadership.

3. Downgrade the position of any flag officer who isn't in a command (or deputy/vice command) position. Many staff-level duties can be handled by field-grade officers, and many of those upper-echelon field-grade officer duties could be handled by junior officers. Same thing on the NCO side... many senior NCO billets at higher echelons could stand to be downgraded at least one level. This will also support #1 by putting younger officers and NCOs into positions where they will have more influence.

The end goal would be a reduction in flag officers by at least 50%. It's simply a level of bureaucracy that harms our military more than it helps it.
 
2012-11-05 02:52:06 PM  
Pretty sure this list came out months ago.

There are 8 GENs and LTGs within 100 feet of me right now. None of their names are on the list. To put it another way, 500 is a very small % of living general officers. It's like saying 500 McDonalds franchises support Romney.
 
2012-11-05 02:53:11 PM  
So a bunch of Viagra-gobbling warmongers who are (thankfully) out of power grumble and snort that they'd much prefer a President to help start World War III.

*Citizen Kane applause*
 
2012-11-05 02:57:51 PM  
Wonder what Shelton's problem is - he was a Hillary endorser.

Nobody I remember working for in the last 19 years is on that list. Surprising, actually.

/Crocker, Keane, Clark, Shinseki, Cody, Roughead, Cartwright, Mullen, Freakley, Johnson, Petraeus(not in order)
//Yes, I know Petraeus can't be on here anyway
 
2012-11-05 03:02:52 PM  
because they know military leadership when they see it:

www.straight.com
 
2012-11-05 03:04:39 PM  
This is an entire generation of officers that have had a
Blank Check to do what ever they wanted to piss American money on

Of course they want to keep the good times Rollin' in
American roads and infrastructure be damned
 
2012-11-05 03:08:50 PM  

SphericalTime: . . . retired? What about current ones?


Exactly.
 
Ehh
2012-11-05 03:12:27 PM  
Are General Peckhem and General Dreedle on the list?

/Probably not Powell or Taguba
 
2012-11-05 03:13:18 PM  
Clearly retired generals don't depend on Social Security.
 
2012-11-05 03:15:18 PM  
If 500 retired flag officers endorse one position, I will take the opposite.

/13 years in, 7 to go
 
2012-11-05 03:15:30 PM  

Shabash: FTFA: Lieutenant Generalen Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)

WTF?

Here's his official bio: (Fark won't link, but you should be able to copypasta) https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSO N_ID=492&PERSON_TYPE=General). It's full of typos, which is strange -- usually the USMC PR guys are pretty conscious about their image. Also no mention of his call sign being "Assassin" -- but no surprise there.

Farkers commenting above are undoubtedly correct about most of these guys being on defense boards. Another key is that almost all are north of 70 years old -- not exactly progressive thinkers.

I worked for or around a few of these guys, and I'm really disappointed to see their names on here.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x267]

Tommy Franks is of course the biggest name on the list. And deserves a good chunk of the blame for the problems in Iraq, per this Tom Ricks article in The Atlantic that indicts many more Army generals.


Good lord that's an interesting article. Thanks for posting.
 
2012-11-05 03:15:57 PM  

Ehh: General Dreedle


I dunno, but his assistant was smoking hot. 

sfw
 
2012-11-05 03:26:43 PM  

Ehh: Are General Peckhem and General Dreedle on the list?

/Probably not Powell or Taguba


The Dreedle Song

I have a little Dreedle
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready
Then Dreedle I shall play

CHORUS
Oh Dreedle Dreedle Dreedle
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready
Then Dreedle I shall play

It has a lovely body
With legs so short and thin
And when it is so tired
It drops and then I win!

CHORUS
My Dreedle's always playful
It loves to dance and spin
A happy game of Dreedle
Come play now, let's begin!

/I'm sorry
 
2012-11-05 03:31:23 PM  

vpb: i wonder how many of them now work for defense contractors?


Exactly my thought.
 
2012-11-05 03:33:41 PM  

squidgod2000: Pretty sure this list came out months ago.

There are 8 GENs and LTGs within 100 feet of me right now. None of their names are on the list. To put it another way, 500 is a very small % of living general officers. It's like saying 500 McDonalds franchises support Romney.


I wouldn't sign a petition to fire my boss either.

/just sayin'
 
2012-11-05 03:39:32 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Look, they have six of the eight generals who were in on this. That's nice.
 
2012-11-05 04:04:15 PM  

madgonad: historynow11: I actually know the one name on the list. I can state honestly that he has no defense contractor affiliations. He's only been retired for almost 40 years.

\Still tired of the "if your are/were in the military, you must support the GOP" line.

I highly doubt that 40 year number. If he was a reservist he cannot retire until 60, which would make him 100. If he was active duty AND a general he could probably have retired at 45-50 with a star. That would still make him way to old to be working NOW.

FYI - you can retire as early as age 37 in the military and start drawing your pension. These guys are the ultimate in socialism - being able to spend 20 years working and the rest of your life in retirement. Both military and government retirement rules need to change NOW.


I enlisted at 17 and retired as an E-7 at 37 after 20 years of 24/7 service, 365 days a year. That's about 60+ years of employment based on an eight hour work day for most civilians have . . . I can't speak for civil service, but if the military's retirement system was such a sweet deal, why doesn't everyone stay in and collect those big bucks?
 
2012-11-05 04:10:25 PM  

skullkrusher: FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]

what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.


Wow I got YOUR knickers in a twist. I must be doing something right.
 
2012-11-05 04:14:19 PM  

FarkedOver: skullkrusher: FarkedOver: I'll just leave this here...

[www.darleenclick.com image 335x296]

what's wrong with you dude? Seriously, this armchair revolutionary thing has gone far enough.

Wow I got YOUR knickers in a twist. I must be doing something right.


I can't tell when you're kidding anymore. Poe's law but for pinkos
 
2012-11-05 04:16:03 PM  

priapus54: 20 years of 24/7 service, 365 days a year


20 years in and they didn't even let you sleep?! You've earned your rest, son.
 
2012-11-05 04:34:03 PM  
500 reasons to vote for Obama.
 
2012-11-05 04:39:28 PM  

mutterfark: They've got the pistols so they get the pesos.


Yeah that seems fair
 
2012-11-05 04:42:01 PM  
"We, the undersigned, are either senile or stupid."

FTFY, retirees.

/Jesus H. Fark, I thought you lot were supposed to protect America.
 
2012-11-05 04:45:14 PM  

Arkanaut: There hasn't been one decent tank battle since Obama took office. Not one! How are you going to recruit any soldiers with that record? "Hey son, you want to fly a remote-controlled drone for hours on end from a dark room in Arizona?" Does that sound like military glory to you?


Look grandpa once we get our Cybernetic Lifeform Nodes on-line the human element in war will be limited to point and click.
 
2012-11-05 05:17:57 PM  

blender61: Empty Matchbook: How many current ones do?

not that it matters but, rules prohibit that.
Just sayen.


And I'm just...
4.bp.blogspot.com
SUPER Saiyan
 
2012-11-05 07:19:19 PM  

priapus54: I enlisted at 17 and retired as an E-7 at 37 after 20 years of 24/7 service, 365 days a year. That's about 60+ years of employment based on an eight hour work day for most civilians have . . . I can't speak for civil service, but if the military's retirement system was such a sweet deal, why doesn't everyone stay in and collect those big bucks?


I enlisted at 17 and left as an E-6 at 22 after 4 years.
I served because the military needs good people to serve and leave.
I didn't stay in and collect those big bucks because lifers are assholes.
 
2012-11-05 07:59:58 PM  
A little late to the party, but here's my take:

Retired generals, admirals are free to participate in the political process.

Any military officer will tell you that to obtain a rank above Colonel, it involves "politics."
 
2012-11-05 09:22:44 PM  
FTFA:
Rear Admiral Jay A. "Rabbit" Campbell, (USN-ret)
Lieutenant General James E. "Bear" Chambers, (USAF-ret)
Admiral Mark "Lobster" Fitzgerald, (USN-ret)
Rear Admiral Don "Smoke" Hickman, (USN-ret)
Admiral Robert J. "Barney" Kelly, (USN-ret)
Vice Admiral John B. "Bat" Laplante, (USN-ret)
Admiral James A. "Ace" Lyons, Jr., (USN-ret)
Lieutenant General Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)
Rear Admiral W.W. "Bear" Pickavance, (USN-ret)
Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith, Jr., (USN-ret)
Brigadier General David M. "Tanker" Snyder, (USAF-ret)


Retired pilots who use their call-sign nicknames to sign a presidential petition are probably not guys who take it all that seriously.
 
2012-11-05 10:06:49 PM  

Shabash: FTFA:
Rear Admiral Jay A. "Rabbit" Campbell, (USN-ret)
Lieutenant General James E. "Bear" Chambers, (USAF-ret)
Admiral Mark "Lobster" Fitzgerald, (USN-ret)
Rear Admiral Don "Smoke" Hickman, (USN-ret)
Admiral Robert J. "Barney" Kelly, (USN-ret)
Vice Admiral John B. "Bat" Laplante, (USN-ret)
Admiral James A. "Acehole" Lyons, Jr., (USN-ret)
Lieutenant General Fred "Assassin" McCorkle, (USMC-ret)
Rear Admiral W.W. "Bear" Pickavance, (USN-ret)
Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith, Jr., (USN-ret)
Brigadier General David M. "Tanker" Snyder, (USAF-ret)

Retired pilots who use their call-sign nicknames to sign a presidential petition are probably not guys who take it all that seriously.


Couldn't help it.

/smeghead and proud of it.
 
2012-11-05 11:47:46 PM  

coeyagi: Guys, you're doing it wrong. By getting Obama voted out of office, you don't get to retroactively rewrite the history books to say you didn't work for a black man from 1/20/2009 - 1/20/2013.


I was at a USAF function in the early 90s with Sec Def Les Aspin, AF Chief of Staff General McPeak, and Chairman Gen Colin Powell. Mostly White crowd. Largest applause by far was for Powell.

Would you also say that anyone who didn't vote for our president in 2008 is racist?
 
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