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2012-11-05 12:12:25 PM
In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.
 
2012-11-05 12:49:14 PM

IAmRight: In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the idiot that he is nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.


FTFY
 
2012-11-05 01:00:59 PM

IAmRight: In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.


Yeah, the Cowboys are totally living day to day on mere pennies
 
2012-11-05 02:00:40 PM

Di Atribe: IAmRight: In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.

Yeah, the Cowboys are totally living day to day on mere pennies


You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?
 
2012-11-05 02:12:16 PM

IAmRight: You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?


I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!

*Woops. Just looked it up. The franchise isn't worth a billion dollars. It's worth TWO billion.

/deskflip
//TWO BILLION DOLLARS
 
2012-11-05 03:45:08 PM
I was more interested in the link at the end of the article about having his son-in-law clean his glasses for him
 
2012-11-05 03:46:50 PM
Al Davis part deux in the works. It'll be fun to see "America's football team" run by a cranky old man with dementia.
 
2012-11-05 03:50:09 PM

p the boiler: I was more interested in the link at the end of the article about having his son-in-law clean his glasses for him


If your FIL was worth $2 billion, you'd polish his turds every morning.

/so would i
 
2012-11-05 03:50:43 PM

Di Atribe: I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!


That's what I hear, but don't the Cowboys kind of suck at home since they moved there?
 
2012-11-05 03:51:58 PM

soopey: Al Davis part deux in the works. It'll be fun to see "America's football team" run by a cranky old man with dementia.


It will be worse than Al Davis if that happens. At least Al was once an innovative coach and GM with notable success (and Super Bowl championships) before it all turned to crap.
 
2012-11-05 03:54:52 PM
I don't really follow the Cowboy's circus except for the lulz (and there have been a few,) and I really didn't know Jerry was also the GM. So he really deals with the day-to-day crap there, talent evaluations, contract negotiations with players and their agents? And haven't they traded up their draft pick. every. year? What a joke.
 
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2012-11-05 03:58:18 PM

Di Atribe: IAmRight: You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!

*Woops. Just looked it up. The franchise isn't worth a billion dollars. It's worth TWO billion.

/deskflip
//TWO BILLION DOLLARS


What the Cowboy's franchise is worth if ol' Double-J sold them doesn't tell the story on how much they have for salaries. Not disagreeing with your point (that the Cowboys can afford a GM if JJ wanted one), but it really doesn't have that tight of a correlation on what the franchise is worth.

Here's a breakdown by Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_Dallas-Cow b oys_300988.html
 
2012-11-05 03:58:34 PM

Di Atribe: IAmRight: You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!

*Woops. Just looked it up. The franchise isn't worth a billion dollars. It's worth TWO billion.

/deskflip
//TWO BILLION DOLLARS


The defense played really good for as long as they could taking in account that they're starting guys off the street due to injuries. The offense on the other hand failed miserably and this time around blame cannot be put on Romo. If Romo is given the ability to run the no huddle offense he can win. He has shown that in both the last two games as well as in the Baltimore game by managing long drives in short time and having defenses almost give up on plays because they're too tired to line up. But that would mean that Garrett admits he's a failure as a OC and play caller and it'll never happen with him as a HC.

The no huddle offense will hide the injury prone o-line, the lack of running game and the lack of play calling ability that Garrett has demonstrated. But it's too late to run it only when you're down 23 or with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

If the Cowboys lose against Philly their season can be written off and hopefully that ends the debacle that Garrett as HC has been. I just don't see anyone from within stepping up and being a good HC (please don't elevate Ryan to it) and I doubt any of the big names will be interested in the job with Jerry Jones as GM.
 
2012-11-05 04:03:28 PM

Renart: soopey: Al Davis part deux in the works. It'll be fun to see "America's football team" run by a cranky old man with dementia.

It will be worse than Al Davis if that happens. At least Al was once an innovative coach and GM with notable success (and Super Bowl championships) before it all turned to crap.


Jerry Jones has 3 SuperBowl championships since he took over. We can argue as to how much he's responsible for them but he has them.
 
2012-11-05 04:06:54 PM

IAmRight: Di Atribe: IAmRight: In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.

Yeah, the Cowboys are totally living day to day on mere pennies

You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?


Dunning Krugger effect
 
2012-11-05 04:08:53 PM

ddam: Jerry Jones has 3 SuperBowl championships since he took over. We can argue as to how much he's responsible for them but he has them.


He is willing to spend money (maybe not on a GM, but at least everywhere else). Quite honestly, that's half the battle right there.

Ask KC Chiefs fans how its like under a "frugal" ownership.
 
2012-11-05 04:11:22 PM

Jubeebee: That's what I hear, but don't the Cowboys kind of suck at home since they moved there?



Huh. Regular season = 14 - 13
Playoffs = 1-0

not sure if the playoff win is included in the 14 wins or that is a cumulative 15-13.
 
2012-11-05 04:14:57 PM
Put it this way, the Cowboys have 1 playoff win in the last 10 years or so... Tebow has as many playoff wins as that.
 
2012-11-05 04:17:56 PM
Well, at least Jerry Jones has publicly admitted two things:

1 - If he was a general manager, he would have been fired (which is clue #1 that he needs to hire a competent general manager)
2 - He doesn't give a shiat if he's a horrible GM because he knows the money isn't going to stop anytime soon

Dammit, I really hate Jerry Jones.
 
2012-11-05 04:19:26 PM

Jubeebee: Di Atribe: I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!

That's what I hear, but don't the Cowboys kind of suck at home since they moved there?


Wine and cheese crowd doesn't like to yell very loud. Or so I'm told. Also, they sell tickets to road fans for big games so there is almost no home field advantage.
 
2012-11-05 04:19:32 PM

ddam: Jerry Jones has 3 SuperBowl championships since he took over. We can argue as to how much he's responsible for them but he has them.


You're right of course. I got my chronology mixed up. (I'm not a Cowboys fan.) But was he acting as GM when Jimmy Johnson was the coach?

/I know, I know, let me Google that for you.
 
2012-11-05 04:20:52 PM

Dinobot: Put it this way, the Cowboys have 1 playoff win in the last 10 years or so... Tebow has as many playoff wins as that.


Whoa....that means they should trade for TEBOW to save the franchise!!

PRAISE TEBOW!!!!

/slight off topic, if your team sucked donkey balls (Cleavland, Buffalo) would you want an owner like him?
 
2012-11-05 04:22:51 PM
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Approves.
 
2012-11-05 04:25:32 PM
I hope Jerry Jones lives and owns the Cowboys forever.
 
2012-11-05 04:26:13 PM

Renart: ddam: Jerry Jones has 3 SuperBowl championships since he took over. We can argue as to how much he's responsible for them but he has them.

You're right of course. I got my chronology mixed up. (I'm not a Cowboys fan.) But was he acting as GM when Jimmy Johnson was the coach?

/I know, I know, let me Google that for you.


I believe he was, but Jimmy Johnson basically forced Jerry Jones to give him control of coaches and players... Jerry Jones didn't like that Jimmy Johnson was getting the praise for the team he had put in place so he started to butt in more and more... when Jimmy started to protest, he got fired.

Switzer won because it was the team that Johnson built, not because Switzer was a good coach

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8273107/dallas-cowboys-owner - gm-jerry-jones-trying-escape-jimmy-johnson-shadow
 
2012-11-05 04:26:47 PM

IAmRight: Di Atribe: IAmRight: In fairness, no one else is offering to work for the nothing that he has to pay himself to assume that role.

Yeah, the Cowboys are totally living day to day on mere pennies

You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?


I don't think this has anything to do with money - you got it right with the ego thing.

poughdrew: I don't really follow the Cowboy's circus except for the lulz (and there have been a few,) and I really didn't know Jerry was also the GM. So he really deals with the day-to-day crap there, talent evaluations, contract negotiations with players and their agents? And haven't they traded up their draft pick. every. year? What a joke.


I also wonder this. the cowboys have talent. they have just not performed. so, is jerry doing that bad of a job?
 
2012-11-05 04:27:12 PM

Dinobot: Put it this way, the Cowboys have 1 playoff win in the last 10 years or so... Tebow has as many playoff wins as that.


Shiat the Texans 3rd string quarterback has that many playoff victories.
 
2012-11-05 04:28:18 PM

eagles95: Dinobot: Put it this way, the Cowboys have 1 playoff win in the last 10 years or so... Tebow has as many playoff wins as that.

Whoa....that means they should trade for TEBOW to save the franchise!!

PRAISE TEBOW!!!!

/slight off topic, if your team sucked donkey balls (Cleavland, Buffalo) would you want an owner like him?


Not what I meant with that comment.

I was trying to say that Jerry Jones has put such a bad team for so many years that even Tebow was able to match that "success" in shorter time. At this rate, I see Tebow having 1 more playoff win before the Dallas Cowboys do.
 
2012-11-05 04:30:14 PM

scottydoesntknow: Dinobot: Put it this way, the Cowboys have 1 playoff win in the last 10 years or so... Tebow has as many playoff wins as that.

Shiat the Texans 3rd string quarterback has that many playoff victories.


Well, the texans are being run quite well, so not surprised there.
 
2012-11-05 04:32:15 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: I don't think this has anything to do with money - you got it right with the ego thing.


The money thing makes so that not only do you have to admit that you f*cked up, but you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to someone on top of that. And if they suck just as bad as you? Then you just confirmed that you suck at hiring AND you're out an extra mil or two. AND they're still gonna want you to hire another one.
 
2012-11-05 04:33:26 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I hope Jerry Jones lives and owns the Cowboys forever.


He is the best gift other teams in the NFC have ever received!
 
2012-11-05 04:34:11 PM

Killer Cars: ddam: Jerry Jones has 3 SuperBowl championships since he took over. We can argue as to how much he's responsible for them but he has them.

He is willing to spend money (maybe not on a GM, but at least everywhere else). Quite honestly, that's half the battle right there.

Ask KC Chiefs fans how its like under a "frugal" ownership.


Yes, spending money as an owner is great but it's also important how you spend it. He's not very good at judging talent and that can be seen in the majority of the trades and draft picks he makes.
 
2012-11-05 04:36:49 PM
I love Jerry Jones. He makes the NFL and especially the Cowboys tolerable at times. He's wound so tight that he would surely fire himself if he ever met himself.

02pennies.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-05 04:38:00 PM

Dinobot: I believe he was, but Jimmy Johnson basically forced Jerry Jones to give him control of coaches and players... Jerry Jones didn't like that Jimmy Johnson was getting the praise for the team he had put in place so he started to butt in more and more... when Jimmy started to protest, he got fired.

Switzer won because it was the team that Johnson built, not because Switzer was a good coach

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8273107/dallas-cowboys-owner - gm-jerry-jones-trying-escape-jimmy-johnson-shadow


Thanks. I had forgotten that Johnson has been there as long as he has. I was somehow thinking of him as buying the Cowboys after Johnson and then firing him. But of course I was misremembering that it was actually Landry that he fired shortly after buying them.

Anyway, my point (kind of) still stands. Say what you will about Al Davis's awful later years, but he was an innovator who changed the game when he was in his prime. Jones will leave no such legacy.
 
2012-11-05 04:38:35 PM
I'll say it - owners don't really belong in the locker room. Come down if you win something or a long time favorite is hurt or retiring - otherwise get your ass back up in the luxury box and stay out of the way.

Anyway... it's nice if you can like the guy that owns the team, but it certainly isn't necessary. Ol' Jerry just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that anyone really 'likes' - you just have to tolerate him. If he were my team's owner I'd just try to not let him bug me.
 
2012-11-05 04:39:03 PM
JJ can't fire himself as the owner; he most certainly can hire a competent GM. The only one he has to blame is himself for the current state of the Cowboys suckitude. That, and hey ... it's the Cowboys, and they damn well deserve it. Why? Because JJ is the owner/GM/media whore/free agent slut ...

/end rant
 
2012-11-05 04:43:58 PM

Renart: Thanks. I had forgotten that Johnson Jones has been there as long as he has. I was somehow thinking of him as buying the Cowboys after Johnson's Super Bowl wins and then firing him. But of course I was misremembering that it was actually Landry that he fired shortly after buying them.

Anyway, my point (kind of) still stands. Say what you will about Al Davis's awful later years, but he was an innovator who changed the game when he was in his prime. Jones will leave no such legacy.


FTFM.

My brain is really not working well today, apparently.
 
2012-11-05 04:45:23 PM
Here's the thing with coach/GMs or owner/GMs, they universally suck. The closest is Belicheck, and he has final say on who joins the team, he doesn't run the scouting and contract departments. Being a good head coaching in the NFL seems to take an inordinate amount of time. Adding everything a GM does on top of that seems to be ridiculous. I would assume that being an owner is similar. Jones needs to get out of his own way a cede some control or find a guy like Ted Thompson, who seems to have no problem fading into the background while building a successful team.
 
2012-11-05 04:49:50 PM

Renart: Renart: Thanks. I had forgotten that Johnson Jones has been there as long as he has. I was somehow thinking of him as buying the Cowboys after Johnson's Super Bowl wins and then firing him. But of course I was misremembering that it was actually Landry that he fired shortly after buying them.

Anyway, my point (kind of) still stands. Say what you will about Al Davis's awful later years, but he was an innovator who changed the game when he was in his prime. Jones will leave no such legacy.

FTFM.

My brain is really not working well today, apparently.


His innovation that changed the game was also the reason his team was so spectacularly bad. Sort of like Tom Landry - absolutely dominated the league with a strategy and then ran the team into the ground because you refuse to adapt.

Also, you have to give Jerry credit for two things.

1. As an owner (and only as an owner/businessman) he is one of the absolute best.
2. He was partly responsible for fleecing the absolute bejeesus out of the Vikings on the Herschel Walker trade.
 
2012-11-05 04:50:43 PM

roc6783: Jones needs to get out of his own way a cede some control or find a guy like Ted Thompson, who seems to have no problem fading into the background while building a successful team.


Seems like Jerry is grooming his son for that job.
 
2012-11-05 04:52:03 PM

dwrash: Yanks_RSJ: I hope Jerry Jones lives and owns the Cowboys forever.

He is the best gift other teams in the NFC have ever received!


It's a tight race between Jones, Dan Snyder and Andy Reid.
 
2012-11-05 04:53:04 PM
I enjoy that 1/2 the NFC is owned by crazy maniacs, and also that the Eagles are about to volunteer themselves for head coach hell.
 
2012-11-05 04:53:39 PM
NFC "East". Excuse me.
 
2012-11-05 05:00:19 PM

Yanks_RSJ: dwrash: Yanks_RSJ: I hope Jerry Jones lives and owns the Cowboys forever.

He is the best gift other teams in the NFC have ever received!

It's a tight race between Jones, Dan Snyder and Andy Reid.


Reid will be gone next season... but Jones and Snyder will persist till they are riding a pine box.
 
2012-11-05 05:04:31 PM

Treygreen13: roc6783: Jones needs to get out of his own way a cede some control or find a guy like Ted Thompson, who seems to have no problem fading into the background while building a successful team.

Seems like Jerry is grooming his son for that job.


I thought his SIL was the one doing the grooming?
 
2012-11-05 05:09:17 PM

roc6783: Treygreen13: roc6783: Jones needs to get out of his own way a cede some control or find a guy like Ted Thompson, who seems to have no problem fading into the background while building a successful team.

Seems like Jerry is grooming his son for that job.

I thought his SIL was the one doing the grooming?


Well, glasses cleaning.

Stephen Jones is sort of the guy you talk to if you can't talk to Jerry nowadays.
 
2012-11-05 05:22:36 PM
Jerry Jones firing Jerry Jones?

i303.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-05 05:39:31 PM
When it's someone else, results are all that matters. When it's me, you have to understand the process and overall direction of the organization and not get lost in W's and L's.
 
2012-11-05 05:42:02 PM
They have a huge video screen....so...there's always that.
 
2012-11-05 06:25:59 PM

Di Atribe: IAmRight: You tend to overlook a person's ineptness at their position when they're not costing you any money. Jones as GM costs Jones the owner no money, which is why Jones the GM is still Jones the GM. That, plus ego. C'mon, you've never dealt with interns that were totally unqualified for their jobs and sucked at them, yet no one got rid of them because hey, they're working for free?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that it's an absurd notion that a billion dollar franchise* can't afford its own GM and separate OC & HC. Let's spend all our money on "glitz & glamor," dazzling star players, and a huge shiny stadium (which really is quite nice). Fark the GM, fark the OC, fark the O-line, fark the D just fark fark fark!

*Woops. Just looked it up. The franchise isn't worth a billion dollars. It's worth TWO billion.

/deskflip
//TWO BILLION DOLLARS


Jeebus. Admittedly I'm not a Cowboys fan, but as I am an Arkansas alum, I sometimes follow the madness that is Jerry.

I suppose what I fail to understand is his ego. If the franchise is worth $2 billion (I am not doubting your claim), why not spend a little $ to hire staff, a GM, an actual front office (that is not staffed by your family members) to free up your own time to do the day-to-day stuff that owning a team requires?

Is Jerry's ego that immense or does he think he's omnipresent/omnipotent/etc. ? Would hiring mean "admitting" defeat? From what I've seen of Cowboys games on TV, when he's on the sidelines, he looks like he is having absolutely zero fun.

Note: DFW-area Farkers may be more knowledgeable on Jerry's current mental state.
 
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