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(Sportige)   Glad you got the number one spot on the AP Poll's preseason rankings? Think again; it just means you're going to lose three times   (sportige.com) divider line 4
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2012-11-05 09:08:43 PM  
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rugman11: ShamWowofDamocles: rugman11: coolio mack: Just further proof that preseason polls and All American teams are silly. No poll should be made, and the word Heisman shouldn't be spoken until halfway through the conference season when teams are about 7 or 8 total games in.

I've never really understood this point. The polls are all designed for discussion anyway, except for the final poll of the season. So why wait until week 8? Why not just have one poll at the end of the season that's used for the BCS/AP champions. I don't get what advantage waiting until seven or eight weeks gains.

Pre-season polls are a HUGE advantage to those teams fortunate enough to be ranked in them. And the higher the pre-season rank, the bigger the advantage. If you started off in the pre-season poll and lose....you don't drop out of that poll very easily. If you start off NOT on the pre-season poll, you need to work harder to claw your way onto that poll. Take USC for example. Pre-season #1, three losses later, they are still ranked. Or take Oregon (full disclosure - I'm a Duck). Because their pre-season rank was so high, it was much easier for them to get to number 2 in the polls. And unless they lose....it is very unlikely they will ever fall out of that #2 slot.

Now pretend we didn't have a pre-season poll and that the first rankings came out at the end of week 6 (or whenever all AQ schools have played 6 games). Now rankings reflect a body of work and you don't get 1-loss teams artificially ranked higher than unbeaten teams just because they started off higher in a poll created long before the first snap of the season.

But if the whole "body of work" is your argument, why not wait until the end of the season? What did we really know about Oregon and Alabama in week 6? Both teams had spent the first month crushing mediocre teams. Oregon's best win was against Arizona (ranked 28 according to Sagarin), but they still had games left against teams number 9, 15, 16, 18, and eit ...


You're ascribing way too much thought and analysis to the poll voters. Florida State has played a worse schedule than Louisville (according to Sagarin) and has one loss, and yet they're ranked higher in the AP poll. Rankings are as much an indicator of the reputation of the school as anything else, which is why schools like ND can rise so quickly and schools like FSU and anyone in the SEC get punished much less for losses.
2012-11-05 02:50:20 PM  
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ghall3: coolio mack: The Heisman thing is arguably worse, because you got a guy like Kenjon Barner who only get to play half the game most weeks because their team is so overpowering on offense....

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be pulling him after a half because it is absolutely the right thing to do but I bet his season stats will get looked at as "not enough yards, TDs etc." because he does get reduced playing time.


Agreed. When Barner gets to play a full game: 300+ yds, 5 TDs. Sadly for him, that's only happened once. You've GOT to pull him when you're up 56-0 at halftime,however.
2012-11-05 02:22:05 PM  
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coolio mack: The Heisman thing is arguably worse, because you got a guy like Kenjon Barner who

only get to play half the game most weeks because their team is so overpowering on offense....

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be pulling him after a half because it is absolutely the right thing to do but I bet his season stats will get looked at as "not enough yards, TDs etc." because he does get reduced playing time.
2012-11-05 02:13:03 PM  
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Just further proof that preseason polls and All American teams are silly. No poll should be made, and the word Heisman shouldn't be spoken until halfway through the conference season when teams are about 7 or 8 total games in.

The Heisman thing is arguably worse, because you got a guy like Kenjon Barner who seemingly has to make up ground over guys crowned earlier like Manti Teo and Collin Klein. And look at how silly most people look now for taking Geno Smith over the field because he torched Baylor's high school defense.
 
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