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2012-11-05 12:08:32 PM
I know what it does. It's going to force me to see a government appointed doctor and decide whether or not my ailing elderly mother is going to die via committee.
 
2012-11-05 12:16:08 PM
No one understand Obamacare. The people who passed it dont understand it.
 
2012-11-05 12:28:29 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No one understand Obamacare. The people who passed it dont understand it.


/thread
 
2012-11-05 12:34:38 PM
Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare? If you have an expensive, catastrophic illness, how likely is it your beloved commercial insurance outfit will weasel out of paying?
 
2012-11-05 12:45:23 PM

This About That: Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare? If you have an expensive, catastrophic illness, how likely is it your beloved commercial insurance outfit will weasel out of paying?


Less likely than the government. You can sue the private company. Or do you think this system will be so much better than Medicare/Medicaid and veteran's benefits? One thing is for sure you're not going to get the sweet deal that congressmen are getting, that's for sure. I may have trusted Obamacare if the same people who voted it in had to live with it. I think it unlikely that I would trust it, but it would have been a higher percentage chance.

well, anything is higher than zero.
 
2012-11-05 12:57:02 PM
If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.
 
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2012-11-05 01:03:56 PM

This About That: Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare? If you have an expensive, catastrophic illness, how likely is it your beloved commercial insurance outfit will weasel out of paying?


Pretty likely. That's the problem with for profit insurance. Their business model consists of insuring healthy people and avoiding paying for health-care. Not exactly what I want to rely on for healthcare.
 
2012-11-05 01:07:05 PM

Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.


I understand it is a Government take over of all health care. It socializes Medicare. Institutes an Acorn managed death panel at every hospital which determines the treatment you are entitled to and that the mandate is the largest tax increase in history and also unconstitutional. Plus the mandate is also has an actual "Man Date" clause whereby you our sons must date a gay man as part of their indoctrination/retraining.

Birth control pills are mandatory for all women and women simply have to submit their receipts for pills, lube and pornographic material to their local Catholic Church, and the priest must pay for it immediately with cash or food stamps.
 
2012-11-05 01:08:38 PM

mrshowrules: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

I understand it is a Government take over of all health care. It socializes Medicare. Institutes an Acorn managed death panel at every hospital which determines the treatment you are entitled to and that the mandate is the largest tax increase in history and also unconstitutional. Plus the mandate is also has an actual "Man Date" clause whereby you our sons must date a gay man as part of their indoctrination/retraining.

Birth control pills are mandatory for all women and women simply have to submit their receipts for pills, lube and pornographic material to their local Catholic Church, and the priest must pay for it immediately with cash or food stamps.


See folks? It's really not that complicated.
 
2012-11-05 01:11:21 PM

Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.


You can oppose Obama care without ever reading the bill. That's easy.

Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?
2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?
3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

And the last question; what in Obamacare makes you believe that his time the government will get it right this time?
 
2012-11-05 01:15:40 PM
What the GOP hates about Obamacare:

Obama

There are certainly parts of Obama care you have issues with and debate. 99% of the arguments I've seen from people though are based on inaccurate information and lies, and come off as "I just hate it because it came from Obama".
 
2012-11-05 01:22:41 PM
Everytime I hear 'Obamacare' used in a derogatory way, I hear the Star Wars Imperial March in my head. Ooooh, so evil. Evil with the storm troopers and darth vader and the star destroyers and countless tie fighters, at-ats, scout walkers, and the death star. Evil. Pure, raw evil power evilly doing the evil of evils.

And yet, you have to be totally honest, when you think of Star Wars or when you go to the conventions or see pictures online or posters or what not- what do you usually see? Those things. You don't see everyone dressed as ewoks or droids. No. They are storm troopers and darth vader and boba fett. So everyone 'hates' the empire, but they really don't.

I'll just give one piece of advice on all of this about the evils of Obamacare: Give yourself to the Dark Side.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:29 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

You can oppose Obama care without ever reading the bill. That's easy.

Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?
2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?
3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

And the last question; what in Obamacare makes you believe that his time the government will get it right this time?


See what I mean, folks? Our teabagging friend here actually thinks ObamaCare is the government take over of health care and providing it for people.

He doesn't actually know what's in the bill, but knows he opposes it.
 
2012-11-05 01:25:30 PM
Though it's curious how they don't oppose Romney for RomneyCare, which is basically state level ObamaCare.

Curious indeed.
 
2012-11-05 01:26:36 PM
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2012-11-05 01:29:37 PM

Aarontology: Though it's curious how they don't oppose Romney for RomneyCare, which is basically state level ObamaCare.

Curious indeed.


Because that is a state deciding to do it, and I can just move to a state that doesn't do it.

/at least, that is what I glean from their explanation of that
 
2012-11-05 01:33:49 PM

dletter: Because that is a state deciding to do it, and I can just move to a state that doesn't do it.

/at least, that is what I glean from their explanation of that


I've heard that one too, but that would still make Romney a "socialist" who "had government take over health care"

Because it's about the "ideas" remember.
 
2012-11-05 01:39:16 PM

Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.


So you've read all 906 pages? This will be on your test.
 
2012-11-05 01:39:37 PM
Part of the problem is that people can assert whet it says, but you can't disprove it because it requires they read the whole thing and be unable to find what they say it says.
 
2012-11-05 01:40:40 PM

Aarontology: mrshowrules: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

I understand it is a Government take over of all health care. It socializes Medicare. Institutes an Acorn managed death panel at every hospital which determines the treatment you are entitled to and that the mandate is the largest tax increase in history and also unconstitutional. Plus the mandate is also has an actual "Man Date" clause whereby you our sons must date a gay man as part of their indoctrination/retraining.

Birth control pills are mandatory for all women and women simply have to submit their receipts for pills, lube and pornographic material to their local Catholic Church, and the priest must pay for it immediately with cash or food stamps.

See folks? It's really not that complicated.


Each and every piece is actually popular but when you lump it together, it is slightly unpopular with Americans.
 
2012-11-05 01:42:33 PM

mysticcat: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

So you've read all 906 pages? This will be on your test.


I've read the bill, yes. Know why? Because I'm not some lazy f*cking teabagger.

So tell me. Now that you've admitted you don't know what's in the bill because you're too f*cking lazy to have read it, what's the real reason you oppose it? Are you like the Hippo guy from before and just believe outright false hoods and bullshiat because you were told to believe them from your teabagger masters?

Or is there another reason. Also, explain to me why you don't hate Romney for imposing RomneyCare. The biggest provisions are virtually identical, yet for some unexplained reason, you don't oppose him as well.
 
2012-11-05 01:44:24 PM
Also, 906 pages isn't a lot to read if you're not stupid as mud.

the Harry Potter series is many times that, and children are capable of reading it mulriple times. So anyone who uses the length of the bill as a negative is basically saying they're intellectual abilities are inferior to those of children.

Or they're just really, really, really goddamned stupid and lazy.

Either or.
 
2012-11-05 01:54:12 PM
I'm actually a Democrat, but I'm calling bullshiat on someone who claims to have read 900+ pages of medico-legalese just so he can go on Fark and troll teabaggers.

I haven't ever said anything about being for or against Obama/Romney care.

I am also a physician in Tennessee, where we've had state run insurance- Tenncare- dating back to the early 90's. Tenncare was a model for Obamacare so I am very familiar with how the system works from payor, physician, and patient aspects. Obamacare will be a good deal for some, a bad deal for others, and a bit of both for many.
 
2012-11-05 01:55:50 PM

Aarontology: Also, 906 pages isn't a lot to read if you're not stupid as mud.

the Harry Potter series is many times that, and children are capable of reading it mulriple times. So anyone who uses the length of the bill as a negative is basically saying they're intellectual abilities are inferior to those of children.

Or they're just really, really, really goddamned stupid and lazy.

Either or.


I'm glad to see you putting your genius IQ and puritanical work ethic to good use. You should run for office.
 
2012-11-05 01:56:56 PM
I am still waiting for Obamacare to punch me in the sack. Thanks alot, President Fart.
 
2012-11-05 01:58:12 PM

mysticcat: but I'm calling bullshiat on someone who claims to have read 900+


so what you are saying by your own self-imposed conditions, literally no one understands Obamacare
 
2012-11-05 02:00:28 PM
That is ironic as it does not appear to impact Rmoney either and he is the first one to pass the legislation.
 
2012-11-05 02:00:45 PM
Giant farking turds tend to be liabilities.

More at 11.
 
2012-11-05 02:01:22 PM

mysticcat: I'm glad to see you putting your genius IQ and puritanical work ethic to good use. You should run for office.


It's really quite sad that something like "reading 906 pages" is on par with having a "genius level IQ" and a "puritanical work ethic" to you. Especially considering it's about one of the biggest pieces of legislation this country has seen in decades.
 
2012-11-05 02:01:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?
2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?
3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

And the last question; what in Obamacare makes you believe that his time the government will get it right this time?


I had no idea Obamacare was a complete takeover of every aspect of healthcare in this country
 
2012-11-05 02:02:01 PM
Holy shiat, you're a doctor and reading 900 pages is hard work for you?

Good f*cking god.
 
2012-11-05 02:02:50 PM

Aarontology: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

You can oppose Obama care without ever reading the bill. That's easy.

Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?
2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?
3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

And the last question; what in Obamacare makes you believe that his time the government will get it right this time?

See what I mean, folks? Our teabagging friend here actually thinks ObamaCare is the government take over of health care and providing it for people.

He doesn't actually know what's in the bill, but knows he opposes it.



I think he was joking.
 
2012-11-05 02:03:26 PM

This About That: Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare?


If I don't like the complexity of my commercial health insurance then I can always choose to go with a different provider with a simpler policy structure. Obama forces me into this labyrinth where I have to kill my grandmother.
 
2012-11-05 02:04:24 PM

lennavan: I think he was joking.


You haven't seen him post much, have you? Or, it is a really deep down meta-joke.
 
2012-11-05 02:05:00 PM
"Yeah, this might help your condition, but it involved reading your charts and looking at potential drug interactions, and well, that's too much work for me"
 
2012-11-05 02:05:58 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

You can oppose Obama care without ever reading the bill. That's easy.

Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?
2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?
3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

And the last question; what in Obamacare makes you believe that his time the government will get it right this time?


So, you don't know what's in it, don't care to know what's in it, and yet are against it, because of potatoe, is that it?
 
2012-11-05 02:06:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

You can oppose Obama care without ever reading the bill. That's easy.

Behold:

1) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our vets?


Yes, except when the right-wing has attacked the VA.

2) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our elderly?

Yes, except when the right-wing has attacked Medicare.

3) has the government done a good job of providing healthcare to our disabled?

Yes, except when the right-wing has attacked Medicaid.

If they answer yes to any of these question your know they are idiots.

Oh, I see, you're a liar and a right-wing shill.
 
2012-11-05 02:06:24 PM

Muta: This About That: Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare?

If I don't like the complexity of my commercial health insurance then I can always choose to go with a different provider with a simpler policy structure. Obama forces me into this labyrinth where I have to kill my grandmother.


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he truly holds the balls of america in his hands
 
2012-11-05 02:07:10 PM

bulldg4life: lennavan: I think he was joking.

You haven't seen him post much, have you? Or, it is a really deep down meta-joke.


Seriously? Damn, I laughed reading his post, I thought it was hilarious. And taken as satire, I thought it was a strong point in favor of ObamaCare. I mean, not only is ObamaCare not government run healthcare, the answer to all of his questions was a resounding yes. So even if ObamaCare was government run healthcare, he clearly demonstrated it would be wildly loved and supported.

Now I just feel sad for the guy. :-(
 
2012-11-05 02:07:13 PM

bulldg4life: I had no idea Obamacare was a complete takeover of every aspect of healthcare in this country


Or the private sector was taking better care of vets, elderly, or the disabled...
 
2012-11-05 02:07:22 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Yes, except


Um...sorry, but the point of proving that government doesn't work involves hamstringing government efforts and defunding things at every opportunity.
 
2012-11-05 02:07:45 PM

Jackson Herring: Muta: This About That: Just how well do you understand your commercial health insurance policy? Is it more or less evil than Obamacare?

If I don't like the complexity of my commercial health insurance then I can always choose to go with a different provider with a simpler policy structure. Obama forces me into this labyrinth where I have to kill my grandmother.

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he truly holds the balls of america in his hands


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2012-11-05 02:08:37 PM

bulldg4life: A Dark Evil Omen: Yes, except

Um...sorry, but the point of proving that government doesn't work involves hamstringing government efforts and defunding things at every opportunity.


Well, yes, but if you're not a shill like Hippo up there, all that means is that rightists are irresponsible jackasses who should be kept away from the reins of government.
 
2012-11-05 02:09:19 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Well, yes, but if you're not a shill like Hippo up there, all that means is that rightists are irresponsible jackasses who should be kept away from the reins of government.


Or, we can vote for the GOP and prove that government doesn't work!

And, when you get down to it, that must be the best answer.
 
2012-11-05 02:09:38 PM

Aarontology: mysticcat: Aarontology: If you "don't know what's in ObamaCare", then you're a goddamned lazy retard seeing as how it's been around for a couple of years now.

Especially if you oppose it while saying you don't know what's in it.

So you've read all 906 pages? This will be on your test.

I've read the bill, yes. Know why? Because I'm not some lazy f*cking teabagger.

So tell me. Now that you've admitted you don't know what's in the bill because you're too f*cking lazy to have read it, what's the real reason you oppose it? Are you like the Hippo guy from before and just believe outright false hoods and bullshiat because you were told to believe them from your teabagger masters?

Or is there another reason. Also, explain to me why you don't hate Romney for imposing RomneyCare. The biggest provisions are virtually identical, yet for some unexplained reason, you don't oppose him as well.


No it doesn't take over healthcare just yet. It just causes Insurance Companies liabilities to sky rocket while guaranteeing their revenue will either stay the same or decrease. Don't believe check the Whitehouses press release. See all the things they are requiring of the Insurance companies? Link. Those are what we call costs. And notice how they say it's going to decrease costs? How do you think that is going to happen? Yeah you pay a fine for not having insurance, but you pay the fine to the government! So you have increase cost and decreased revenue. How do you think it is going to go for them? Obama has already said he is going for a single payer system. I chose to try to stop him here.

I'd still like you to answer the three questions. If you answer no to all three, maybe government should admit they dont know that they are doing with healthcare and leave it the fark alone.
 
2012-11-05 02:10:17 PM

Aarontology: Holy shiat, you're a doctor and reading 900 pages is hard work for you?

Good f*cking god.


Wow, you really are just an insufferable asshole.
 
2012-11-05 02:12:28 PM
Ah cool, this thread again.
 
2012-11-05 02:13:58 PM
The biggest mistake the GOP made with the ACA was calling it "Obamacare". That play only works if you can make certain the bill doesn't go into effect.

Because once it does, people are going to associate things like "being able to get coverage, even with a preexisting condition" and "my insurance company has to spend money on actual care" with Obama.
 
2012-11-05 02:15:39 PM

Aarontology: Holy shiat, you're a doctor and reading 900 pages is hard work for you?

Good f*cking god.


Doctors don't have to understand the entire bill. Almost nobody does. I work closely with a number of insurance carriers. They don't seem to have any problem understanding it. In fact, they've adjusted their business models accordingly to take advantage of it.

And the best part is that yahoos like The Stealth Hippopotamus who choose not to understand it so they fan rail angrily from a position of pure ignorance are only shooting themselves in the foot because the only things they really need to understand as consumers are their expanded rights and limited obligations. And more than 80% of people don't need to care about the obligations because they already have health insurance.

Fighting Obamacare has ultimately been one of the single stupidest things conservatives have done in recent memory. Not only were they fighting what was, essentially, their own farking plan, they're doomed to lose the fight. Even though Americans don't understand it, they like the various new benefits they get like the removal of payout caps, the removal of the preexisting condition bar and the ability to keep adult children on plans through college. And to top it off, the insurance industry is mostly fine with it because they get more business through the mandate.

They can harp all they want about undoing it, it would be political suicide. If they outright dismantle it 80% of Americans who had no new obligations will lose several major benefits. If they kill it economically by taking their typical don't-tax-just-spend approach it's the same thing because the insurers will stop playing along and that will kill it.

Opposing Obamacare is just outright stupid for everybody but a tiny sliver of people who are independently wealthy enough to just pay their medical bills out of pocket. To the other 99% of people in this country it's a boon and fighting it would be like trying to spill a glass of water someone's offering you in the middle of the desert.
 
2012-11-05 02:15:51 PM

mysticcat: Aarontology: Holy shiat, you're a doctor and reading 900 pages is hard work for you?

Good f*cking god.

Wow, you really are just an insufferable asshole.


Projection much?
 
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