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2012-11-05 12:14:50 PM

oldernell: thismomentinblackhistory: DRINK

In order to stay sober tomorrow night, I will only drink one beer for each state Rmoney wins.


Well, if you go by what Nate Silver is saying regarding win probabilities; that will be 25 beers. Each candidate should win 25 states with Obama winning DC. It's just that in the 10 largest states, Obama is heavily favored to win 6 of them with Romney favored in 3 and Florida a big tossup.
 
2012-11-05 12:16:46 PM
I suspect that if Romney loses, the next step will be to impeach Obama for Benghazi.
Plus the GOP in Congress will become even more obstructionist, and it will all be Obama's fault.

Expect whining from job creators and some significant shutdowns -- yon holiday-home-guy in Florida who threatened to shut down the business probably will,and I wouldn't die of surprise if Koch Industries shut down some operations in Blue States because of the hostile Obama government..

I also expect some Talibaggers to resort to violence; these people are not bright and love their guns.
 
2012-11-05 12:19:20 PM

pute kisses like a man: Democrats had branded Romney as a "wealthy plutocrat married to a known equestrian."

is being married to a lady who rides horses some terrible sin?

/ if i was branding people, i try to find something negative or relevant.


Are you now or have you ever been an equestrian?
 
2012-11-05 12:20:08 PM

Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]


you should find one with huntsman still in it, he might have had a chance.

Makh: If it becomes a close election, with recounts and Obama ultimately winning. Deal with it. Be the people you told others to be when Bush won in a fair electoral process.


the supreme court giggles in your general direction
 
2012-11-05 12:20:27 PM
If you'll follow me there's a speciality, some tears for you to see. Misery! Misery!

Cheers

// obscure anywhere but Fark
// not content with that? With our hands behind our back, pull Jesus from our hat! Get into that
 
2012-11-05 12:22:52 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: Get into that


Too classic rock. The other two parts of the suite are off the chain, though.
 
2012-11-05 12:26:13 PM
By any reasonable standard, Obama is a seriously vulnerable incumbent: a president overseeing a limping economy

Since most Americans remember that the economy was bleeding its guts out when Obama was inaugurated, limping is acceptable.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:10 PM
The Republicans will decide that Romney was not severely conservative enough to win and will nominate someone even derpier next time.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:24 PM
Hopefully the GOP would cast-off the "tea party"/fundie-nuts (because let's be honest, they're one and the same these days), and become social moderates and pro-middle class fiscal conservatives. You know, instead of their current version, which is socially just-left of the Taliban and fiscally "fark everyone who isn't stupidly rich".
 
2012-11-05 12:27:42 PM

I_C_Weener: There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Gnashing and wailing of teeth?


Damn. That's exactly what I was going to post in both threads.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:48 PM
Heh."If."

*snickers*
 
2012-11-05 12:31:01 PM
Last time I post thise

old.bfi.org.uk
 
2012-11-05 12:32:46 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Mitt Romney loses that Angel will finally reappear and show us the original form of those Golden Tablets...


What about seer stones? We're still lost without the seer stones.
 
2012-11-05 12:34:54 PM
...it'll be because the Tea Party didn't derp loud enough.

GOP, your only hope is to go far right! Accept nothing less than a Santorum/Huckabee ticket in '16,
 
2012-11-05 12:35:34 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.

Steve Schmidt, when asked this morning about what will happen in the Republican party if they lose the Presidential race on Tuesday, described what will happen as "civil war in the party".

I think he's right.


I encourage the Teaparty and other far right-wing conservatives to split from the Republican party and run their own candidates in 2014 and 2016.

With God on your side and your own ideologically pure candidates, surely you will sweep to victory and lead this nation back to its Christian, God-fearing roots.

Please, proceed.
 
2012-11-05 12:36:09 PM
So it sounds like they're going to blame everyone but themselves when he loses on Tuesday (I'm basing his loss off of 538) and that never works well. Here's a thought. Take a look at what your party represents and then try to expand that into other demographics instead of just focusing on white protestants aged 50 and over. That demographic is shrinking. They have to change their party planks to bring it into a 21st century world view otherwise they will eventually become a regional party stuck lamenting their previous glory with no chance of regaining their former glory. They'd be like a former high school football star turned woman's shoe salesman who laments his wasted potential yet never does anything to fix his current and long term situation. That's right, the Republicans are in danger of becoming a political version of Al Bundy.
 
2012-11-05 12:38:45 PM
In 4 words:

WE MUST GO DERPER!
 
2012-11-05 12:44:01 PM
If Romney were to win, the Right's shills would remind us that "Elections Have Consequences".

But of course he won't, so they'll be more like "Consequ-what? What-sequences? What-whats?"

/and "killll .... all.... liberals" more 'n likely
 
2012-11-05 12:44:18 PM
Iran may see a change in their skyline
 
2012-11-05 12:44:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell is this even a contest?!


You nominated this:

menaprogram.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-05 12:44:52 PM

Epoch_Zero: Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.


My schadenfreude is primed to bust through my zipper.
 
2012-11-05 12:46:03 PM
I'm looking forward to Romney's concession speech. It's going to be the most smug, passive-aggressive, sore loser speech we'll hear in a lifetime.
 
2012-11-05 12:46:55 PM
For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.

If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM, they would understand that Obama stepped in because, and only because, he wanted to help out his campaign contributors in the UAW. Nobody would be walking around bragging about how GM is alive because nobody ever proposed killing them off.

If we had an honest media people would understand that getting Bin Laden was years and years and years of work that stretched back to before Obama was even a senator. For all the running around screaming about the terrible things Obama 'inherited', he sure didn't seem to mind all the work he inherited and took credit for.

If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now. For all the whining about Fox covering it do you know what the difference would be if this was a Republican administration? Fox would still cover it and so would every other news station. What we know about Benghazi is absolutely damning even before you factor in the president jetting off to Vegas for a fund raiser in the wake of it.

Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.
 
2012-11-05 12:48:30 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell is this even a contest?!

You nominated this:

[menaprogram.files.wordpress.com image 550x373]


And he was the best they had. Let that sink in for a bit.
 
2012-11-05 12:50:44 PM

randomjsa: Basically? If we had an honest media


Basically Republicans are the victims.

Again. Always and forever.
 
2012-11-05 12:51:44 PM

randomjsa: If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now.


Why? 4 Americans dead in Africa is somehow a bigger story than 30+ people dead in the Northeast?
 
2012-11-05 12:52:23 PM

bdub77: I am already considering leaving this country even w/Obama at the helm. There has been no progress on debts and deficits, although marginal progress has been made on the economy (to Obama's full credit). It's clear that the GOP has almost a solid control of legislatures and governorships in a number of states, as well as a solid block of GOP Congressmen. Nothing will get done.


as someone who spent the last couple of years attempting to get a permanent job overseas: good luck. especially if you aren't already bilingual (or trilingual) and have a massive wad of cash to burn while you look for a job. the stars could align despite these, only to have the rug pulled out from under you by nationalistic movements (yes, I sound a bit bitter)

you can pretty much exclude Europe, Japan, and India from your search if political gridlock is your reason for leaving.
 
2012-11-05 12:53:00 PM

randomjsa: Extended cry.


Another Farkers comment about you pretty much summed it up:

It must be difficult and exhausting to be you day in and day out.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:29 PM

Makh: If it becomes a close election, with recounts and Obama ultimately winning. Deal with it. Be the people you told others to be when Bush won in a fair electoral process.


Yea, I'll remember what they said about Gore at the end of the election calling him a "Sore - Loserman" and the posters they put out...

sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net

/hopefully I'll be posting that if they pull that shiat on us
 
2012-11-05 12:58:14 PM

divgradcurl: Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

you should find one with huntsman still in it, he might have had a chance.


And then he'd also have a picture with a Mormon second from right.

...if the picture had Huntsman standing second from right.
 
2012-11-05 01:03:26 PM

Hoboclown: I'm looking forward to Romney's concession speech. It's going to be the most smug, passive-aggressive, sore loser speech we'll hear in a lifetime.


Hopefully Romney will allow Chuck Norris to give the concession speech.
 
2012-11-05 01:05:54 PM
Another thing, I'd love to see some reporting after the election comparing and contrasting the two sides' ground games. It would be interesting to compare how each side spent money.

As an OFA Obama volunteer1, I can tell you that the campaign didn't exactly spend lavishly on the field offices. They're adequate and conveniently located, but it's obvious they shopped around to get the most bang for their rent payments. Most of them I know of are in spaces that were vacant before the election season and probably will be vacant again once the election's over. They're not lavishly equipped, either. Phone bank phones are pretty bare bones and look about 5 years old, most of them. There are just as many laptops available to get the job done; a lot of work's done with pencil and paper and entered into the system later by the data entry volunteers. Wall and window decorations are funky and handmade. Snacks may or may not be available for volunteers. Most of the offices' leaders are "fellows", working for free.

And we love it like that. You'll see lots of volunteers deliriously happy to be in surroundings like those. Besides knowing how to make a ground game work, I can see that OFA's pretty wise about getting the biggest bang for the buck.

(I can't speak to the Unions' GOTV offices and equipment.)

But just driving past the Romney "Victory Centers", it's obvious they're paying a whole lot higher rents -- They're generally in pretty suburban locations without so many vacancies next door. The insides seem furnished with newer, nicer stuff from what I can tell from outside. And Repubs being Repubs, one can imagine that some of the volunteers are figuring out how to personally profit from their experience, either through pay or walking off with a few lovely parting gifts or both, but I don't know this. It's why I'm hoping to see some reporting on what life was like in their GOTV operations.


1. a fact which is probably obvious to other Obama volunteers given the way I began that sentence...
 
2012-11-05 01:06:05 PM

randomjsa: For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.


You're right, for once.

Romney's an ass, and it turns out that Obama is not really a Communist, Muslim, America-hating fascist authoritarian homosexual Kenyan racist anti-Christ plotting to import 100,000,000 Arab Muslims and declare America an Islamic Kingdom while killing everyone's grandma.

...but you guys will claim the GOP isn't "conservative" enough. The lulz will be epic.

This was the Old Guard's last chance of getting the White House and stacking the deck to forestall their impending irrelevance.

And they blew it.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:09 PM

randomjsa: If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM


He just wanted it to go bankrupt and let private investors come in and save it.

It doesn't matter that there weren't any private investors that were interested or capable of doing that.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:24 PM
The American people win.
 
2012-11-05 01:07:43 PM

wooden_badger: 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTION!!!!!!


Bring it biatches! It will be open farking season, no limits, on Republitards if that happens.
 
2012-11-05 01:09:49 PM
randomjsa:


I see you're getting an early start with the recriminations.
 
2012-11-05 01:10:49 PM

Slaves2Darkness: wooden_badger: 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTION!!!!!!

Bring it biatches! It will be open farking season, no limits, on Republitards if that happens.


A good percentage of the Derp brigade is going to kill itself over the next few days with booze and pills regardless of who wins, so there is a silver lining.
 
2012-11-05 01:12:30 PM
Deep hurting. DEEP HURTING!!
 
2012-11-05 01:17:27 PM

Lando Lincoln: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas!

Passing Obamacare was not a really bad idea. It was a really good idea.

Yes, we are way better off now than four years ago.


it is strange that more than 50% think he was successful and the other ~half think that he was a complete failure.
70+ percent think that ACA was a GREAT thing for america. And yet, those delusional rape-americans are going to choke that chicken to the death of their party.

ANYTHING that the black democrat did was EVIL.
Killing Osama? EVIL
Healthcare for POOR PEOPLE? EVIL
Being a Christian? EVIL

farkem
so glad that this is over soon and the rape-americans have shown their TRUE colors
They women.
They want the gays to stay in their place.
I never need to talk to any of them again.
These are the same evil people who voted against the voters act and voted against mixed marriages and ...
Well the list goes on.

These are EVIL people.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:31 PM

randomjsa: .........Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.


Basically, if we had an honest media and entertainment industry, Bush would have been impeached and he & his cronies (who I no doubt expect would include some Democrats) would be on trial for war crimes.
 
2012-11-05 01:28:55 PM
1) Romney was "historically" bad
2) Hurricane Sandy
3) Romney's chief strategist, Stevens, sux
4) Romney's immigration stance sux
5) Romney was too moderate
6) The media

#4 didn't help, but got too little play to seem a tipping point.
#2 doesn't yet seem to have been a big factor.
#3 might have been part of it, but I don't think anyone could have polished this turd.
#6 was simply the media refusing to ignore #1 and #5.

#1 and #5 seem to be it. But really, the problem isn't so much Romney, as the GOP itself. They have too many people leaning too far to the right for any candidate who is able to sufficiently appeal to the majority of their party to obtain the nomination and to get the base to turn out in the general election, and yet have the candidate appeal sufficiently to independents and the left to obtain a majority in enough states to have a majority in the electoral college.

red230: They have to change their party planks to bring it into a 21st century world view otherwise they will eventually become a regional party stuck lamenting their previous glory with no chance of regaining their former glory.


But the problem is, changing the planks will turn off the current batch of fanatics in the party base, who are obsessed with deontological purity rather than consequentialist outcomes. It may well take someone with stature comparable to Chris Christie stepping forward at the GOP convention, and giving an address like Hubert Humphrey's 1948 address to the DNC. "Here are the principles our party must stand on; the racist bastards need to shut the f*ck up now."
 
2012-11-05 01:32:30 PM
Lando Lincoln
i>For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

Well, that's really easy. You ran Mitt Romney. And he's an awful, awful candidate. And he ran an awful campaign. Oh, and your party's core beliefs are just awful too.

I know you are broadcasting for the Democrat Bubble of Delusion, but could you tell me what you perceive in there to be the Republican party's core beliefs?

\ Have at it bubble boys
 
2012-11-05 01:32:41 PM
By any reasonable standard, Obama is a seriously vulnerable incumbent: a president overseeing a limping economy, whose party got thumped in the 2010 midterm elections and whose signature accomplishment of health care reform is highly controversial.

While that's the narrative, it's worth noting that none of that's actually true. The economy's been steadily improving and even the average voter has noticed, 2010's rise of the Tea Party is regarded as something of a mistake even by most Republicans, and essentially no provision of ACA is controversial apart from the individual mandate, which has already been resolved by being reclassified as a tax.

Basically, the only people that think any of those things are the people that would never vote for a black guy or never vote for a democrat in the first place, i.e. people whose opinions don'e particulalry matter because they have little influence on a given election.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:07 PM
bhaktiyogavision.com
Nate Silver will never have to walk again
 
2012-11-05 01:35:26 PM
My uterus will rejoice
 
2012-11-05 01:37:07 PM

SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.


You know their reaction is going to be "we just weren't conservative enough. "
 
2012-11-05 01:42:11 PM

bullwrinkle: [bhaktiyogavision.com image 234x300]
Nate Silver will never have to walk again


U mad.
 
2012-11-05 01:45:55 PM

I_C_Weener: I think the last place one should be on election night is the Fark Politics page.


It would be like opening all your Christmas presents on Christmas Eve. Just as I always save my best presents for Christmas morning, likewise I will save my Farking for Wednesday. I want to relish certain people's pain.

Epoch_Zero: Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.


Oh, and this.
 
2012-11-05 01:49:36 PM

BMulligan: Oh, and this.


McCain could take losing, and what I saw of his concession speech seemed very respectful despite the crowd.

I honestly don't know how Romney would take face a crowd after a loss of this magnitude.
 
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