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2012-11-05 08:15:07 AM
But he seemed so electable.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-05 08:31:40 AM
We're tucked
 
2012-11-05 08:40:16 AM
So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.


I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.
 
2012-11-05 08:41:49 AM
You're all screwed.
 
2012-11-05 08:44:36 AM

SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.


And if they do ever accept it, they'll think the only reason they lost is because Mitt Romney was too liberal and go further off the deep end.
 
2012-11-05 08:45:53 AM
"For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it."

Yes, that might require soul-searching, and an ability to comprehend reality.
 
2012-11-05 08:46:41 AM
You misspelled "when," subby.
 
2012-11-05 08:51:43 AM

bloobeary: "For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it."

Yes, that might require soul-searching, and an ability to comprehend reality.


It'll be the same thing as every other time things don't go conservatives' way. It won't be their fault. It was the media. Soros. West Nile virus keeping Republicans from the polls. Those two New Black Panther guys. Aliens.

"Personal Responsibilitytm also means owning your mistakes.
 
2012-11-05 09:00:26 AM
DRINK
 
2012-11-05 09:19:19 AM

dickfreckle: You misspelled "when," subby article writer.


FTFY

/subby
 
2012-11-05 09:28:56 AM
I'll be able to get up Wednesday morning without wanting to hang myself.
 
2012-11-05 09:32:26 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: DRINK


In order to stay sober tomorrow night, I will only drink one beer for each state Rmoney wins.
 
2012-11-05 09:35:08 AM
s17.postimage.org

This is where the Tea Party goes berserk.
 
2012-11-05 09:50:40 AM
If it becomes a close election, with recounts and Obama ultimately winning. Deal with it. Be the people you told others to be when Bush won in a fair electoral process.
 
2012-11-05 09:52:42 AM
I am already considering leaving this country even w/Obama at the helm. There has been no progress on debts and deficits, although marginal progress has been made on the economy (to Obama's full credit). It's clear that the GOP has almost a solid control of legislatures and governorships in a number of states, as well as a solid block of GOP Congressmen. Nothing will get done.

Under Romney nothing will get done either. Except probably another conservative on SCOTUS. farking great.

I mean how farking horrible do you have to be to be at such a low approval rating and yet maybe only 5 seats will go blue in 2012? The presidential election has completely covered up how much the Tea Party has ruined this country.

Plus I'm already very disappointed that an unprincipled wealthy elite who blatantly lies to people is a hair's breadth away from the White House. I mean, come the fark on people.
 
2012-11-05 09:55:31 AM
If Rmoney loses, we all win
 
2012-11-05 10:07:31 AM

bdub77: There has been no progress on debts and deficits


The deficit is lower than when Obama took office. The debt is not.
 
2012-11-05 10:16:24 AM
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2012-11-05 10:23:12 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: bdub77: There has been no progress on debts and deficits

The deficit is lower than when Obama took office. The debt is not.


I don't blame him for it, but it's not really progress in the sense that it's still really friggin high - $1 trillion a year is just bad. That's something like 7% of our annual GDP. Even if Obama were somehow magically able to get it down to $400 billion a year - it's still too f*cking high IMO. 100, 200 billion - those are more sustainable levels. Probably not achievable for another 8 years at least, unless we start seeing a real uptick in GDP growth and unemployment go down more.

Again, the real problem is not the president but Congress. Congress has to act to get anything accomplished w/respect to the deficits.
 
2012-11-05 10:31:21 AM

bdub77: I don't blame him for it, but it's not really progress in the sense that it's still really friggin high - $1 trillion a year is just bad.


If you ignore the progress because you consider it not big enough than yes it's not really progress.
 
2012-11-05 10:38:46 AM

SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.


Steve Schmidt, when asked this morning about what will happen in the Republican party if they lose the Presidential race on Tuesday, described what will happen as "civil war in the party".

I think he's right.
 
2012-11-05 10:55:16 AM

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I think the last place one should be on election night is the Fark Politics page. 
 
2012-11-05 11:04:26 AM
The hint from Reid being reelected only because Sharron Angle acted like the crazy cat woman should have been enough. A cardboard cutout would have beat Reid but instead a caricature of all that is wrong with the republican party lost to a reviled man. The problem is in the senate and the lack of any compromise on both sides. I do not see Obama being able to craft anything to solve problems that will pass so Romney is the best bet for change now.
 
2012-11-05 11:12:02 AM
For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

Well, that's really easy. You ran Mitt Romney. And he's an awful, awful candidate. And he ran an awful campaign. Oh, and your party's core beliefs are just awful too.
 
2012-11-05 11:13:25 AM

bloobeary: "For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it."

Yes, that might require soul-searching, and an ability to comprehend reality.


And therefore, nothing will be done by the GOP, post-election, to make any changes to deal with the loss. Nothing.
In order to find something which was done wrong, you would need to be able to admit you made a mistake.
The last mistake that the GOP party made was Barry Goldwater in 1964.

The GOP is the party of perfection, of putting the blame anywhere, but where it actually belongs.
When they lose tuesday, it will be the beginning of the end of the modern day GOP. The GOP of 2016 will look the same and lose again. In 2020, they will either need to jettison the fringe right or fade away.

Time will tell.
 
2012-11-05 11:14:03 AM
If Mitt Romney loses that Angel will finally reappear and show us the original form of those Golden Tablets...
 
2012-11-05 11:14:54 AM

Lando Lincoln: For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

Well, that's really easy. You ran Mitt Romney. And he's an awful, awful candidate. And he ran an awful campaign. Oh, and your party's core beliefs are just awful too.


look at the people who ran this term. A collection of nut jobs. Where were the real candidates? Oh wait, Huntsman and Pawlenty pulled out of the race early. Why is that? Primary system that failed? Party that rejects moderation??
 
2012-11-05 11:15:35 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Mitt Romney loses that Angel will finally reappear and show us the original form of those Golden Tablets and Mitt's long form tax returns for the last 10 years.

 
2012-11-05 11:25:22 AM
If/when Romney loses...the GOP will freak the f*ck out. they'll lose their shiat. they'll spend a day in shocked silence, then 4-5 days vomiting blood and screaming at the heavens. after that, they'll have an indeterminate period of figuring out who's going to fall on their sword(s) and arrange the sacrifice. further out, the GOP will conclude that their faith was obviously weak and that they weren't far enough to the right...so they'll conduct another tiresome purge of the party and dedicate themselves to being jerks towards Obama until the midterm congressional elections in 2014.

But that's just like...my opinion man.
 
2012-11-05 11:26:48 AM
There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Gnashing and wailing of teeth?
 
2012-11-05 11:32:48 AM
Even Obama says we are not in better shape than 4 years ago. How the hell is this even a contest?! Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas! I'm not saying he's purposefully trying to hurt this country, but if he was I don't know what he would do differently! And he has a chance for a second term?!
 
2012-11-05 11:36:37 AM

Weaver95: If/when Romney loses...the GOP will freak the f*ck out. they'll lose their shiat. they'll spend a day in shocked silence, then 4-5 days vomiting blood and screaming at the heavens. after that, they'll have an indeterminate period of figuring out who's going to fall on their sword(s) and arrange the sacrifice. further out, the GOP will conclude that their faith was obviously weak and that they weren't far enough to the right...so they'll conduct another tiresome purge of the party and dedicate themselves to being jerks towards Obama until the midterm congressional elections in 2014.

But that's just like...my opinion man.


And if/when Romney wins the DNC is just going to laugh it off shake their hands?
 
2012-11-05 11:40:20 AM

Weaver95: If/when Romney loses...the GOP will freak the f*ck out. they'll lose their shiat. they'll spend a day in shocked silence, then 4-5 days vomiting blood and screaming at the heavens. after that, they'll have an indeterminate period of figuring out who's going to fall on their sword(s) and arrange the sacrifice. further out, the GOP will conclude that their faith was obviously weak and that they weren't far enough to the right...so they'll conduct another tiresome purge of the party and dedicate themselves to being jerks towards Obama until the midterm congressional elections in 2014.

But that's just like...my opinion man.


I'm gonna have to agree with you. Obama is tired of their sh*t. He's going to let the Bush tax cuts expire, which is going to inflame them. Republicans will spend more time working out ways to sabotage the 2016 election than do work in Congress.

My guess:
- try to infiltrate state legislatures
- continue to primary out moderates
- try to take over governorships in battleground states
- try to take over the Secretary of State offices in battleground states
- try to get more voter ID laws passed
- push even stronger their social conservative agenda
- whip the rural voters into more of a froth (who will be 'energized' by the loss to Obama)

Congress will be a thorn in the side of the president for the foreseeable future. That's my guess. Gridlock will be blamed on the president...same old, same old.

From the amount of frenzy, it appears the GOP is going to be farking with us for another good decade before they start dying out.
 
2012-11-05 11:40:33 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell is this even a contest?!


Because you live in an alternate reality.
 
2012-11-05 11:47:24 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Even Obama says we are not in better shape than 4 years ago. How the hell is this even a contest?! Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas! I'm not saying he's purposefully trying to hurt this country, but if he was I don't know what he would do differently! And he has a chance for a second term?!


Well for one your video was October of 2011, a full year ago, and the truth is that the country wasn't better off than October 2007, which was by almost all accounts the height of the bubble boom and just when the house of cards was coming crashing down. Nor was October of 2011 better than it was January of 2009.

However, a year later, the country is almost by any measure better off in November of 2012 than January of 2009, and despite two years of Congressional deadlock on agenda items that would be good for the economy.

He's done a lot for this country, in a number of different ways, and we're better off for it. But then, I don't expect you to understand, you're an idiot who uses a Youtube video from over a year ago to make a point.
 
2012-11-05 11:55:29 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas!


Passing Obamacare was not a really bad idea. It was a really good idea.

Yes, we are way better off now than four years ago.
 
2012-11-05 11:59:00 AM
Hey Dems. Seeing at the derp from the last president was so attractive and successful. Let's vote in an Atheist lesbian middle-eastern woman who is transgendering into a man for the next president.
 
2012-11-05 12:01:21 PM
* When
 
2012-11-05 12:01:33 PM

Makh: Hey Dems. Seeing at the derp from the last president was so attractive and successful. Let's vote in an Atheist lesbian middle-eastern woman who is transgendering into a man for the next president.


DNRTFP due to Word Salad.
 
2012-11-05 12:01:55 PM
More than anything, I'm looking forward to the serious case studies on what happened to the race between the first and second debates.
 
2012-11-05 12:03:27 PM
Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.
 
2012-11-05 12:04:45 PM
2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTION!!!!!!
 
2012-11-05 12:04:48 PM
Democrats had branded Romney as a "wealthy plutocrat married to a known equestrian."

is being married to a lady who rides horses some terrible sin?

/ if i was branding people, i try to find something negative or relevant.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:16 PM

Makh: Hey Dems. Seeing at the derp from the last president was so attractive and successful. Let's vote in an Atheist lesbian middle-eastern woman who is transgendering into a man for the next president.


If she/he had good policies, I absolutely have no problem with that.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Even Obama says we are not in better shape than 4 years ago. How the hell is this even a contest?! Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas! I'm not saying he's purposefully trying to hurt this country, but if he was I don't know what he would do differently! And he has a chance for a second term?!


Well you are a Republican, and if anything 2000-2008 has shown us, do the opposite of what a Republican wants. Its usually right.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:55 PM

pute kisses like a man: Democrats had branded Romney as a "wealthy plutocrat married to a known equestrian."

is being married to a lady who rides horses some terrible sin?

/ if i was branding people, i try to find something negative or relevant.


They're using known in the biblical sense.
 
2012-11-05 12:06:06 PM
Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

i.i.com.com
 
2012-11-05 12:07:10 PM

Epoch_Zero: Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.


I hadn't thought about that... now I'm really looking forward to it.

He'll be grinding his teeth so hard you could bolt him to a South African diamond mine ore crusher and double its output.
 
2012-11-05 12:08:35 PM

SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.


Yep, and

Aarontology: And if they do ever accept it, they'll think the only reason they lost is because Mitt Romney was too liberal and go further off the deep end.


Yep. We're done here, folks.
 
2012-11-05 12:12:41 PM
Politico Politico
derpa derpa
 
2012-11-05 12:14:50 PM

oldernell: thismomentinblackhistory: DRINK

In order to stay sober tomorrow night, I will only drink one beer for each state Rmoney wins.


Well, if you go by what Nate Silver is saying regarding win probabilities; that will be 25 beers. Each candidate should win 25 states with Obama winning DC. It's just that in the 10 largest states, Obama is heavily favored to win 6 of them with Romney favored in 3 and Florida a big tossup.
 
2012-11-05 12:16:46 PM
I suspect that if Romney loses, the next step will be to impeach Obama for Benghazi.
Plus the GOP in Congress will become even more obstructionist, and it will all be Obama's fault.

Expect whining from job creators and some significant shutdowns -- yon holiday-home-guy in Florida who threatened to shut down the business probably will,and I wouldn't die of surprise if Koch Industries shut down some operations in Blue States because of the hostile Obama government..

I also expect some Talibaggers to resort to violence; these people are not bright and love their guns.
 
2012-11-05 12:19:20 PM

pute kisses like a man: Democrats had branded Romney as a "wealthy plutocrat married to a known equestrian."

is being married to a lady who rides horses some terrible sin?

/ if i was branding people, i try to find something negative or relevant.


Are you now or have you ever been an equestrian?
 
2012-11-05 12:20:08 PM

Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]


you should find one with huntsman still in it, he might have had a chance.

Makh: If it becomes a close election, with recounts and Obama ultimately winning. Deal with it. Be the people you told others to be when Bush won in a fair electoral process.


the supreme court giggles in your general direction
 
2012-11-05 12:20:27 PM
If you'll follow me there's a speciality, some tears for you to see. Misery! Misery!

Cheers

// obscure anywhere but Fark
// not content with that? With our hands behind our back, pull Jesus from our hat! Get into that
 
2012-11-05 12:22:52 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: Get into that


Too classic rock. The other two parts of the suite are off the chain, though.
 
2012-11-05 12:26:13 PM
By any reasonable standard, Obama is a seriously vulnerable incumbent: a president overseeing a limping economy

Since most Americans remember that the economy was bleeding its guts out when Obama was inaugurated, limping is acceptable.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:10 PM
The Republicans will decide that Romney was not severely conservative enough to win and will nominate someone even derpier next time.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:24 PM
Hopefully the GOP would cast-off the "tea party"/fundie-nuts (because let's be honest, they're one and the same these days), and become social moderates and pro-middle class fiscal conservatives. You know, instead of their current version, which is socially just-left of the Taliban and fiscally "fark everyone who isn't stupidly rich".
 
2012-11-05 12:27:42 PM

I_C_Weener: There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Gnashing and wailing of teeth?


Damn. That's exactly what I was going to post in both threads.
 
2012-11-05 12:27:48 PM
Heh."If."

*snickers*
 
2012-11-05 12:31:01 PM
Last time I post thise

old.bfi.org.uk
 
2012-11-05 12:32:46 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Mitt Romney loses that Angel will finally reappear and show us the original form of those Golden Tablets...


What about seer stones? We're still lost without the seer stones.
 
2012-11-05 12:34:54 PM
...it'll be because the Tea Party didn't derp loud enough.

GOP, your only hope is to go far right! Accept nothing less than a Santorum/Huckabee ticket in '16,
 
2012-11-05 12:35:34 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.

Steve Schmidt, when asked this morning about what will happen in the Republican party if they lose the Presidential race on Tuesday, described what will happen as "civil war in the party".

I think he's right.


I encourage the Teaparty and other far right-wing conservatives to split from the Republican party and run their own candidates in 2014 and 2016.

With God on your side and your own ideologically pure candidates, surely you will sweep to victory and lead this nation back to its Christian, God-fearing roots.

Please, proceed.
 
2012-11-05 12:36:09 PM
So it sounds like they're going to blame everyone but themselves when he loses on Tuesday (I'm basing his loss off of 538) and that never works well. Here's a thought. Take a look at what your party represents and then try to expand that into other demographics instead of just focusing on white protestants aged 50 and over. That demographic is shrinking. They have to change their party planks to bring it into a 21st century world view otherwise they will eventually become a regional party stuck lamenting their previous glory with no chance of regaining their former glory. They'd be like a former high school football star turned woman's shoe salesman who laments his wasted potential yet never does anything to fix his current and long term situation. That's right, the Republicans are in danger of becoming a political version of Al Bundy.
 
2012-11-05 12:38:45 PM
In 4 words:

WE MUST GO DERPER!
 
2012-11-05 12:44:01 PM
If Romney were to win, the Right's shills would remind us that "Elections Have Consequences".

But of course he won't, so they'll be more like "Consequ-what? What-sequences? What-whats?"

/and "killll .... all.... liberals" more 'n likely
 
2012-11-05 12:44:18 PM
Iran may see a change in their skyline
 
2012-11-05 12:44:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell is this even a contest?!


You nominated this:

menaprogram.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-05 12:44:52 PM

Epoch_Zero: Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.


My schadenfreude is primed to bust through my zipper.
 
2012-11-05 12:46:03 PM
I'm looking forward to Romney's concession speech. It's going to be the most smug, passive-aggressive, sore loser speech we'll hear in a lifetime.
 
2012-11-05 12:46:55 PM
For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.

If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM, they would understand that Obama stepped in because, and only because, he wanted to help out his campaign contributors in the UAW. Nobody would be walking around bragging about how GM is alive because nobody ever proposed killing them off.

If we had an honest media people would understand that getting Bin Laden was years and years and years of work that stretched back to before Obama was even a senator. For all the running around screaming about the terrible things Obama 'inherited', he sure didn't seem to mind all the work he inherited and took credit for.

If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now. For all the whining about Fox covering it do you know what the difference would be if this was a Republican administration? Fox would still cover it and so would every other news station. What we know about Benghazi is absolutely damning even before you factor in the president jetting off to Vegas for a fund raiser in the wake of it.

Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.
 
2012-11-05 12:48:30 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell is this even a contest?!

You nominated this:

[menaprogram.files.wordpress.com image 550x373]


And he was the best they had. Let that sink in for a bit.
 
2012-11-05 12:50:44 PM

randomjsa: Basically? If we had an honest media


Basically Republicans are the victims.

Again. Always and forever.
 
2012-11-05 12:51:44 PM

randomjsa: If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now.


Why? 4 Americans dead in Africa is somehow a bigger story than 30+ people dead in the Northeast?
 
2012-11-05 12:52:23 PM

bdub77: I am already considering leaving this country even w/Obama at the helm. There has been no progress on debts and deficits, although marginal progress has been made on the economy (to Obama's full credit). It's clear that the GOP has almost a solid control of legislatures and governorships in a number of states, as well as a solid block of GOP Congressmen. Nothing will get done.


as someone who spent the last couple of years attempting to get a permanent job overseas: good luck. especially if you aren't already bilingual (or trilingual) and have a massive wad of cash to burn while you look for a job. the stars could align despite these, only to have the rug pulled out from under you by nationalistic movements (yes, I sound a bit bitter)

you can pretty much exclude Europe, Japan, and India from your search if political gridlock is your reason for leaving.
 
2012-11-05 12:53:00 PM

randomjsa: Extended cry.


Another Farkers comment about you pretty much summed it up:

It must be difficult and exhausting to be you day in and day out.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:29 PM

Makh: If it becomes a close election, with recounts and Obama ultimately winning. Deal with it. Be the people you told others to be when Bush won in a fair electoral process.


Yea, I'll remember what they said about Gore at the end of the election calling him a "Sore - Loserman" and the posters they put out...

sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net

/hopefully I'll be posting that if they pull that shiat on us
 
2012-11-05 12:58:14 PM

divgradcurl: Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]

you should find one with huntsman still in it, he might have had a chance.


And then he'd also have a picture with a Mormon second from right.

...if the picture had Huntsman standing second from right.
 
2012-11-05 01:03:26 PM

Hoboclown: I'm looking forward to Romney's concession speech. It's going to be the most smug, passive-aggressive, sore loser speech we'll hear in a lifetime.


Hopefully Romney will allow Chuck Norris to give the concession speech.
 
2012-11-05 01:05:54 PM
Another thing, I'd love to see some reporting after the election comparing and contrasting the two sides' ground games. It would be interesting to compare how each side spent money.

As an OFA Obama volunteer1, I can tell you that the campaign didn't exactly spend lavishly on the field offices. They're adequate and conveniently located, but it's obvious they shopped around to get the most bang for their rent payments. Most of them I know of are in spaces that were vacant before the election season and probably will be vacant again once the election's over. They're not lavishly equipped, either. Phone bank phones are pretty bare bones and look about 5 years old, most of them. There are just as many laptops available to get the job done; a lot of work's done with pencil and paper and entered into the system later by the data entry volunteers. Wall and window decorations are funky and handmade. Snacks may or may not be available for volunteers. Most of the offices' leaders are "fellows", working for free.

And we love it like that. You'll see lots of volunteers deliriously happy to be in surroundings like those. Besides knowing how to make a ground game work, I can see that OFA's pretty wise about getting the biggest bang for the buck.

(I can't speak to the Unions' GOTV offices and equipment.)

But just driving past the Romney "Victory Centers", it's obvious they're paying a whole lot higher rents -- They're generally in pretty suburban locations without so many vacancies next door. The insides seem furnished with newer, nicer stuff from what I can tell from outside. And Repubs being Repubs, one can imagine that some of the volunteers are figuring out how to personally profit from their experience, either through pay or walking off with a few lovely parting gifts or both, but I don't know this. It's why I'm hoping to see some reporting on what life was like in their GOTV operations.


1. a fact which is probably obvious to other Obama volunteers given the way I began that sentence...
 
2012-11-05 01:06:05 PM

randomjsa: For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.


You're right, for once.

Romney's an ass, and it turns out that Obama is not really a Communist, Muslim, America-hating fascist authoritarian homosexual Kenyan racist anti-Christ plotting to import 100,000,000 Arab Muslims and declare America an Islamic Kingdom while killing everyone's grandma.

...but you guys will claim the GOP isn't "conservative" enough. The lulz will be epic.

This was the Old Guard's last chance of getting the White House and stacking the deck to forestall their impending irrelevance.

And they blew it.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:09 PM

randomjsa: If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM


He just wanted it to go bankrupt and let private investors come in and save it.

It doesn't matter that there weren't any private investors that were interested or capable of doing that.
 
2012-11-05 01:06:24 PM
The American people win.
 
2012-11-05 01:07:43 PM

wooden_badger: 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTION!!!!!!


Bring it biatches! It will be open farking season, no limits, on Republitards if that happens.
 
2012-11-05 01:09:49 PM
randomjsa:


I see you're getting an early start with the recriminations.
 
2012-11-05 01:10:49 PM

Slaves2Darkness: wooden_badger: 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTION!!!!!!

Bring it biatches! It will be open farking season, no limits, on Republitards if that happens.


A good percentage of the Derp brigade is going to kill itself over the next few days with booze and pills regardless of who wins, so there is a silver lining.
 
2012-11-05 01:12:30 PM
Deep hurting. DEEP HURTING!!
 
2012-11-05 01:17:27 PM

Lando Lincoln: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas!

Passing Obamacare was not a really bad idea. It was a really good idea.

Yes, we are way better off now than four years ago.


it is strange that more than 50% think he was successful and the other ~half think that he was a complete failure.
70+ percent think that ACA was a GREAT thing for america. And yet, those delusional rape-americans are going to choke that chicken to the death of their party.

ANYTHING that the black democrat did was EVIL.
Killing Osama? EVIL
Healthcare for POOR PEOPLE? EVIL
Being a Christian? EVIL

farkem
so glad that this is over soon and the rape-americans have shown their TRUE colors
They women.
They want the gays to stay in their place.
I never need to talk to any of them again.
These are the same evil people who voted against the voters act and voted against mixed marriages and ...
Well the list goes on.

These are EVIL people.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:31 PM

randomjsa: .........Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.


Basically, if we had an honest media and entertainment industry, Bush would have been impeached and he & his cronies (who I no doubt expect would include some Democrats) would be on trial for war crimes.
 
2012-11-05 01:28:55 PM
1) Romney was "historically" bad
2) Hurricane Sandy
3) Romney's chief strategist, Stevens, sux
4) Romney's immigration stance sux
5) Romney was too moderate
6) The media

#4 didn't help, but got too little play to seem a tipping point.
#2 doesn't yet seem to have been a big factor.
#3 might have been part of it, but I don't think anyone could have polished this turd.
#6 was simply the media refusing to ignore #1 and #5.

#1 and #5 seem to be it. But really, the problem isn't so much Romney, as the GOP itself. They have too many people leaning too far to the right for any candidate who is able to sufficiently appeal to the majority of their party to obtain the nomination and to get the base to turn out in the general election, and yet have the candidate appeal sufficiently to independents and the left to obtain a majority in enough states to have a majority in the electoral college.

red230: They have to change their party planks to bring it into a 21st century world view otherwise they will eventually become a regional party stuck lamenting their previous glory with no chance of regaining their former glory.


But the problem is, changing the planks will turn off the current batch of fanatics in the party base, who are obsessed with deontological purity rather than consequentialist outcomes. It may well take someone with stature comparable to Chris Christie stepping forward at the GOP convention, and giving an address like Hubert Humphrey's 1948 address to the DNC. "Here are the principles our party must stand on; the racist bastards need to shut the f*ck up now."
 
2012-11-05 01:32:30 PM
Lando Lincoln
i>For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

Well, that's really easy. You ran Mitt Romney. And he's an awful, awful candidate. And he ran an awful campaign. Oh, and your party's core beliefs are just awful too.

I know you are broadcasting for the Democrat Bubble of Delusion, but could you tell me what you perceive in there to be the Republican party's core beliefs?

\ Have at it bubble boys
 
2012-11-05 01:32:41 PM
By any reasonable standard, Obama is a seriously vulnerable incumbent: a president overseeing a limping economy, whose party got thumped in the 2010 midterm elections and whose signature accomplishment of health care reform is highly controversial.

While that's the narrative, it's worth noting that none of that's actually true. The economy's been steadily improving and even the average voter has noticed, 2010's rise of the Tea Party is regarded as something of a mistake even by most Republicans, and essentially no provision of ACA is controversial apart from the individual mandate, which has already been resolved by being reclassified as a tax.

Basically, the only people that think any of those things are the people that would never vote for a black guy or never vote for a democrat in the first place, i.e. people whose opinions don'e particulalry matter because they have little influence on a given election.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:07 PM
bhaktiyogavision.com
Nate Silver will never have to walk again
 
2012-11-05 01:35:26 PM
My uterus will rejoice
 
2012-11-05 01:37:07 PM

SurfaceTension: So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney's on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: it will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.

I think Politico has an overly (delusionally) optimistic idea of the Republican Party to perform the type of insightful analysis needed to understand where they went wrong. I think they'll fight the legitimacy of the election tooth and nail, and never accept that Obama actually scored more votes than their candidate.


You know their reaction is going to be "we just weren't conservative enough. "
 
2012-11-05 01:42:11 PM

bullwrinkle: [bhaktiyogavision.com image 234x300]
Nate Silver will never have to walk again


U mad.
 
2012-11-05 01:45:55 PM

I_C_Weener: I think the last place one should be on election night is the Fark Politics page.


It would be like opening all your Christmas presents on Christmas Eve. Just as I always save my best presents for Christmas morning, likewise I will save my Farking for Wednesday. I want to relish certain people's pain.

Epoch_Zero: Oh, I've saved up my schadenfreude for the Romney concession speech. I am positively swelling with schadenfreude.


Oh, and this.
 
2012-11-05 01:49:36 PM

BMulligan: Oh, and this.


McCain could take losing, and what I saw of his concession speech seemed very respectful despite the crowd.

I honestly don't know how Romney would take face a crowd after a loss of this magnitude.
 
2012-11-05 01:52:23 PM

randomjsa: For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.

If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM, they would understand that Obama stepped in because, and only because, he wanted to help out his campaign contributors in the UAW. Nobody would be walking around bragging about how GM is alive because nobody ever proposed killing them off.

If we had an honest media people would understand that getting Bin Laden was years and years and years of work that stretched back to before Obama was even a senator. For all the running around screaming about the terrible things Obama 'inherited', he sure didn't seem to mind all the work he inherited and took credit for.

If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now. For all the whining about Fox covering it do you know what the difference would be if this was a Republican administration? Fox would still cover it and so would every other news station. What we know about Benghazi is absolutely damning even before you factor in the president jetting off to Vegas for a fund raiser in the wake of it.

Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.


Bullshiat. Those grapes were really just too sour the whole time, huh? Way to try and shift the blame for our own failings to everyone but ourselves.

I've voted Republican for 20 years, and shiat like this is a big part of why that ended this year and why I no longer consider myself a Republican. The party is clinging desperately to anachronistic and selfish values, and hating freedom even as it hypocritically tries to cloak itself in them. Freedom of religion being warped to mean you're free to live according to what evangelical Christians believe, and screw everyone else.

Well, I'm sick of that reality distortion field crap, and I won't be a party to it any more. If you want to mindlessly parrot the party's bullshiat crybaby rationalizations instead of accepting reality then you go ahead and do so. And enjoy your fade into irrelevance.

I'm going to be quite happy when Obama beats Romney tomorrow.
 
2012-11-05 01:58:15 PM

randomjsa: For Republicans, the only thing harder than losing to Barack Obama might be explaining it.

That's not difficult to explain at all.

If we had an honest media nobody would think Romney wanted to kill GM, they would understand that Obama stepped in because, and only because, he wanted to help out his campaign contributors in the UAW. Nobody would be walking around bragging about how GM is alive because nobody ever proposed killing them off.


But Romney was content for GM to go bankrupt.

If we had an honest media people would understand that getting Bin Laden was years and years and years of work that stretched back to before Obama was even a senator. For all the running around screaming about the terrible things Obama 'inherited', he sure didn't seem to mind all the work he inherited and took credit for.

But Obama hasn't been politicising the death of Osama bin Laden.

If we had an honest media Benghazi would be the lead story on every station even now. For all the whining about Fox covering it do you know what the difference would be if this was a Republican administration? Fox would still cover it and so would every other news station. What we know about Benghazi is absolutely damning even before you factor in the president jetting off to Vegas for a fund raiser in the wake of it.

I hear the word 'Benghazi' thrown around as if Obama made some decision he ought not have made, but I've yet to hear what he 'should' have done specifically. I hear a lot of people wishing the ends -- 'stop the deaths of these people', but who seem to have no understanding of the means they propose: 'Invade Libya' or use some form of time travel to allow for months of training for a pinpoint Special Forces strike on unknown targets in a hot zone, (on the assumption that if a hostage-holding area is attacked, for some reason the hostage holders will somehow forget to kill the hostages and will be incapable of inflicting casualties on the rescuing force). Warfare is not TV.

All I hear is 'Something should have been done!!!' It's silly.

Basically? If we had an honest media and entertainment industry Obama would not only not win reelection. He wouldn't even be running for reelection. He would, at best, be trying to convince us why he shouldn't resign before January.

Baffling.
 
2012-11-05 02:00:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Even Obama says we are not in better shape than 4 years ago. How the hell is this even a contest?! Failure after failure after failure and the few things he did get done were really bad ideas! I'm not saying he's purposefully trying to hurt this country, but if he was I don't know what he would do differently! And he has a chance for a second term?!


Now post the rest of the sentence he was in the middle of, rather than cherry picking and taking things out of context.
 
2012-11-05 02:02:19 PM
If it were possible to DVR reality, I would be highly recommending that you all do so.

This is the last gasping grasp for power for the current incarnation of the GOP. When it fails, WHEN it fails, they'll fall back and regroup and I can promise you that the Establishment types have been conversing on this topic for weeks.

Unlike the propaganda-stuffed fools up front, the Establishment types in the back aren't stupid and can read the hard math. They knew what Nate Silver knows and they knew it a while back: Romney has no chance.

Right now, they're deciding where to go from here and I'm predicting a shucking off of the crazies and fringe idiots. The Establishment sorts 'know' that the GOP is doomed unless it starts reaching out to the Hispanic population.

In order to do so, they're going to have to completely abandon their anti-immigration stances and embrace the Hispanic population with both arms. Only by doing so will they hope to maintain any relevance past this election.

To embrace the crazy and the Tea Derpers will be to sign the death warrant of the GOP, and ensure a slow and inevitable decline into becoming a regional party, leaving the US as a Single Party nation.

I can only hope that if that 'does' happen, the Democrats split between the centrists and the leftists.
 
2012-11-05 02:04:08 PM
The article says:

So if Obama manages to defeat Mitt Romney on Tuesday, the Republican Party will have to go through a painful process of self-examination and internal debate in order to explain what went so badly wrong.

The debate won't just be fodder for political obsessives: It will also determine how Republicans approach governing next year and how the party campaigns in 2014, 2016 and beyond.


... but then doesn't suggest any kind of internal debate beyond 'not picking moderates' and blaming individual members of the party machinery.

That isn't really a 'painful process of self-examination and internal debate'.

Perhaps Politico really does know the Republican Party...
 
2012-11-05 02:25:56 PM
When Romney loses, we're going to have to declare
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-05 02:30:16 PM

Infernalist: If it were possible to DVR reality, I would be highly recommending that you all do so.

This is the last gasping grasp for power for the current incarnation of the GOP. When it fails, WHEN it fails, they'll fall back and regroup and I can promise you that the Establishment types have been conversing on this topic for weeks.

Unlike the propaganda-stuffed fools up front, the Establishment types in the back aren't stupid and can read the hard math. They knew what Nate Silver knows and they knew it a while back: Romney has no chance.

Right now, they're deciding where to go from here and I'm predicting a shucking off of the crazies and fringe idiots. The Establishment sorts 'know' that the GOP is doomed unless it starts reaching out to the Hispanic population.

In order to do so, they're going to have to completely abandon their anti-immigration stances and embrace the Hispanic population with both arms. Only by doing so will they hope to maintain any relevance past this election.

To embrace the crazy and the Tea Derpers will be to sign the death warrant of the GOP, and ensure a slow and inevitable decline into becoming a regional party, leaving the US as a Single Party nation.

I can only hope that if that 'does' happen, the Democrats split between the centrists and the leftists.



All of this is sensible. But unless the GOP make primary RULE changes, as to WHO can be on the GOP ballot, there is nothing to prevent the Rape and Palin-Americans from getting on the ballot.
The likelihood that these groups will ALLOW the GOP to control the ballots is close to impossible.
If they lose the GOP, then where will they go? They already tried the 3rd party route and didnt like what happened.
They Derp-Americans will cling to the GOP like a crazy EX who just wont go the fark away.
 
2012-11-05 02:30:23 PM

Buffalo77: I know you are broadcasting for the Democrat Bubble of Delusion, but could you tell me what you perceive in there to be the Republican party's core beliefs?

\ Have at it bubble boys


Which version do you want - what Republicans profess to believe in or what they actually believe in?
 
2012-11-05 03:18:50 PM
What you actually think they believe in.

Remember the Republican party is not monolithic, you can't say they are bible thumpers because a minority of the party is. It would be as dishonest as me saying all democrats are black or liberal or gay or pro choice - each party has their factions.
 
2012-11-05 03:43:58 PM
This election was Obama's to lose, and what does the GOP do?

Threw up a batch of retreads and crazy people.

Then they wonder why they lost?
 
2012-11-05 03:53:55 PM

Buffalo77: What you actually think they believe in.

Remember the Republican party is not monolithic, you can't say they are bible thumpers because a minority of the party is. It would be as dishonest as me saying all democrats are black or liberal or gay or pro choice - each party has their factions.


It's not dishonest at all to portray the republican party as bible thumpers as that's exactly who is setting the party's agenda. That's why this year I finally renounced my republican party membership. I just couldn't stand the inmates being in charge of the asylum any more - and by definition representing ME.
 
2012-11-05 03:56:57 PM

Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]



www.esquire.com

This guy. You know...the one who never led in the polls, not even once, during the entire GOP primary. The fact that even Donald Trump had momentum at one point, while Huntsman never did, should make conservatives really take a good long look at themselves. But, it won't.
 
2012-11-05 04:19:54 PM

Buffalo77: What you actually think they believe in.

Remember the Republican party is not monolithic, you can't say they are bible thumpers because a minority of the party is. It would be as dishonest as me saying all democrats are black or liberal or gay or pro choice - each party has their factions.


Not monolithic? No, they're not monolithic. They just go along with whatever the nutjobs in your party tell them to go along with.

I could list a whole shiat load of things, like how the GOP touts that they're the party of fiscal responsibility but in reality they spend more than Democrats do, or how they hate government except when it comes to forcing people to do what conservatives want people to do. Blah blah blah. Everyone's heard it all before. Like that kind of thing is really going to change your mind.

I used to be a hard-core Republican; pro-life, xenophobic, anti-gay, pro-business, anti-welfare, all that jazz. Then I learned that my girlfriend was pregnant, and I suddenly understood how incredibly scary it was to be faced with that decision, that potential responsibility at such an early age, and even though we didn't go down the abortion route I could sympathize with the people that couldn't deal with being a parent at certain times in their lives. I lost my job and was out of work for six months and I learned how important it was for big government to be there to ensure that my kids and I didn't starve to death. I learned that my cousin, who I really looked up to, was gay, and through that I realized that gays weren't this scary "other" to demean and belittle.

In short, I was a Republican conservative, but then I stopped being so goddamn ignorant of the world around me.
 
2012-11-05 04:23:53 PM

I Browse: Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]


[www.esquire.com image 614x375]

This guy. You know...the one who never led in the polls, not even once, during the entire GOP primary. The fact that even Donald Trump had momentum at one point, while Huntsman never did, should make conservatives really take a good long look at themselves. But, it won't.


Can we stop calling them conservatives? They are not.
They are fiscally irresponsible. period.
They are socially repressive. period.
They are morally bankrupt, win at all cost.
They hate women, minorities and GLBTA.
They are greedy.
They are ignorant or dishonest.

But conservative? I think not.

/so no, they wont learn anything from this loss. The REAL candidates did not run this cycle.
/prepare for the super candidates to emerge in mid november or december.
/but there is NO WAY that the GOP will change its platform toward the center by 2016.
/Now for the DEMs to come up with a real candidate to follow after President Obama
 
2012-11-05 04:24:26 PM

I_C_Weener: Somacandra: The National Butthurt Service for the United States has issued an Epic Butthurt Watch for the following sites on the internet: Worldnetdaily, National Review, Hot Air, Stormfront, Newsmax, The Blaze, Free Republic, RedState and Powerline. This Watch is in effect from 7pm Tuesday, November 6 until Midnight. Remember a Watch means that conditions are favorable for Epic Butthurt, associated Derpstorms and Floorhumper Freakouts. While severe butthurt may not be immediately threatening, citizens are advised to listen carefully to Fark.com's Politics tab, listening for later statements and possible warnings.


I think the last place one should be on election night is the Fark Politics page.


I'm not sure I'll understand half the links, but I'm probably gonna try if I haz teh interwebs. It sounds fun.
 
2012-11-05 04:25:22 PM

Lando Lincoln: Buffalo77: What you actually think they believe in.

Remember the Republican party is not monolithic, you can't say they are bible thumpers because a minority of the party is. It would be as dishonest as me saying all democrats are black or liberal or gay or pro choice - each party has their factions.

Not monolithic? No, they're not monolithic. They just go along with whatever the nutjobs in your party tell them to go along with.

I could list a whole shiat load of things, like how the GOP touts that they're the party of fiscal responsibility but in reality they spend more than Democrats do, or how they hate government except when it comes to forcing people to do what conservatives want people to do. Blah blah blah. Everyone's heard it all before. Like that kind of thing is really going to change your mind.

I used to be a hard-core Republican; pro-life, xenophobic, anti-gay, pro-business, anti-welfare, all that jazz. Then I learned that my girlfriend was pregnant, and I suddenly understood how incredibly scary it was to be faced with that decision, that potential responsibility at such an early age, and even though we didn't go down the abortion route I could sympathize with the people that couldn't deal with being a parent at certain times in their lives. I lost my job and was out of work for six months and I learned how important it was for big government to be there to ensure that my kids and I didn't starve to death. I learned that my cousin, who I really looked up to, was gay, and through that I realized that gays weren't this scary "other" to demean and belittle.

In short, I was a Republican conservative, but then I stopped being so goddamn ignorant of the world around me.


REALLY? because CSB. And now to get the rest of the voting population to grow up.
How do you force a blind man to see?
 
2012-11-05 04:35:46 PM

namatad: /so no, they wont learn anything from this loss. The REAL candidates did not run this cycle.


Mitt Romney is a real candidate, just one from his church, not his party.
 
2012-11-05 06:01:34 PM

I Browse: Cletus C.: Hey Politico. Please point to the one who would have done better. Second from right? Uh, maybe. But isn't he Mormon?

[i.i.com.com image 620x350]


[www.esquire.com image 614x375]

This guy. You know...the one who never led in the polls, not even once, during the entire GOP primary. The fact that even Donald Trump had momentum at one point, while Huntsman never did, should make conservatives really take a good long look at themselves. But, it won't.


Bah. I voted for Huntsman in the primary.

Not that he really had a chance, because he: 1) served as 0bama's ambassador to China, 2) acknowledged the validity of evolution and global warming, and 3) spoke a furrin' langige (Mandarin)

How are these deal killers for a Presidential candidate, when it is widely acknowledged that the rise of China as a regional and global power is likely to be the greatest geopolitical challenge for the USA this century? Sadly, I understand why the science thing would be a significant drawback for the base.

Well, there's always 2016...
 
2012-11-05 11:38:23 PM

Parthenogenetic:

Bah. I voted for Huntsman in the primary.

Not that he really had a chance, because he: 1) served as 0bama's ambassador to China



That's what sunk him. I'm not sure if it was political gamesmanship on Obama's part or what...but having Huntsman affiliated with his administration (even though he'd also served GOP admins) effectively eliminated him from getting the nomination. That, and the fact that Huntsman refused to go negative like the others.

Some of us on the Left actually liked Huntsman. We disagreed with his policies, but compared to the rest of the field, he seemed like the smartest and most reasonable GOP candidate we'd seen in years. And that's another thing that killed his chances. I remember during the primary, I read a comment on HuffPo from a conservative that basically said this:

"I don't know much about Huntsman, but if the libs like him...I don't trust him."

So, yeah.
 
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