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(Shadowlocked)   Why Iron Man 3 is basically just The Dark Knight Rises. And why that's a good thing. (Yes, it may have been said before, but this one talks about thematic parallels and everything. Also, trailer mash-up video.)   (shadowlocked.com) divider line 101
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2012-11-05 08:07:12 AM  
Why do super heroes all have to be emo now?
 
2012-11-05 08:45:48 AM  
You gotta be emo to dress up and rage all the time.
 
2012-11-05 08:59:30 AM  
I bet Stark doesn't go out like a little biatch.
 
2012-11-05 09:42:27 AM  

Mugato: Why do super heroes all have to be emo now?


Revek: You gotta be emo to dress up and rage all the time.


And we're done here.
 
2012-11-05 09:52:44 AM  

Mugato: Why do super heroes all have to be emo now?


I asked that same question in the last greened thread on IM3 and got flamed.

"But the alcoholism! "Demon in a Bottle"!" *fanboy spittle*....
 
2012-11-05 11:18:39 AM  
I thought Marvel's answer to The Dark Knight Rises was Avengers.
 
2012-11-05 11:32:46 AM  
So it's filled with ridiculous plot holes, goes on for an hour longer than it needs to, and wastes time with meaningless flashbacks?

I may have to pass on it.
 
2012-11-05 11:32:56 AM  
So Tony will get punched in the back and the shrapnel in his chest will disappear, thus allowing him to live without the reactor in his chest that the franchise has established that he needs to live?
 
2012-11-05 11:37:32 AM  
I never saw Iron Man 2, but if this movie is half as good as any of the Nolan films, I'll be there. Sadly, there's no way to close the story in a grand fashion like TDKR. There are bound to be several more Avengers films, so Iron Man will have to keep on trucking.

Free Radical: So it's filled with ridiculous plot holes, goes on for an hour longer than it needs to, and wastes time with meaningless flashbacks?

I may have to pass on it.


You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-11-05 11:40:49 AM  
I enjoyed the first two, but as a kid I only read Spider-Man comics. So I'm not as invested as a life long fan.

I hope it turns out great both for the casual fan and the die-hard ones.
 
2012-11-05 11:42:59 AM  
It's a movie about a comic book superhero.
 
2012-11-05 11:44:27 AM  

Wayne 985: I never saw Iron Man 2, but if this movie is half as good as any of the Nolan films, I'll be there. Sadly, there's no way to close the story in a grand fashion like TDKR. There are bound to be several more Avengers films, so Iron Man will have to keep on trucking.


I don't think Iron Man is a guarantee to show up in every Avengers film. I think the only necessary character is Nick Fury. The superhero roster can be changed up a bit each film.
 
2012-11-05 11:50:26 AM  

proteon: It's a movie about a comic book superhero.


Correct for 100 points. Now, for 200 points and the lead, what colour is the sky?
 
2012-11-05 11:56:06 AM  
You have to tear down a hero to make him rise up and win.
It's...uh......kinda done in pretty much every movie.....

Ever.

I don't need a farking article to tell me that.
 
2012-11-05 11:56:44 AM  

NeoCortex42: I don't think Iron Man is a guarantee to show up in every Avengers film. I think the only necessary character is Nick Fury. The superhero roster can be changed up a bit each film.


Thor, Iron Man and Captain America are kind of core characters to the comics. I think there have been more comics without Fury in them than comics without Iron Man. Not saying that means anything to the suits at the studios.

Really hope SpiderWoman makes it into the next Avengers movie....
 
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2012-11-05 12:03:03 PM  
I get where they are coming from, but I really didn't care for The Dark Knight Rises and I am excited to see IM3. Dark toned stories with cinematic cliches are bound to have some similarities I suppose.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:10 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: NeoCortex42: I don't think Iron Man is a guarantee to show up in every Avengers film. I think the only necessary character is Nick Fury. The superhero roster can be changed up a bit each film.

Thor, Iron Man and Captain America are kind of core characters to the comics. I think there have been more comics without Fury in them than comics without Iron Man. Not saying that means anything to the suits at the studios.

Really hope SpiderWoman makes it into the next Avengers movie....


I don't know if the studio will be able to keep RDJ as Iron Man indefinitely. The Avengers movies will probably be made for a while, at least as long as they're making money. I don't think anybody would accept a replacement actor for Iron Man as easily as they have for Bruce Banner. The best option for the studio would be to cycle the Avengers roster a bit according to what current series of character-centric movies are running.

After Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2, I think Tony Stark will be limited to cameo appearances only.
 
2012-11-05 12:11:24 PM  

Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.


There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...
 
2012-11-05 12:12:17 PM  
That's pretty curious considering Iron Man 2 was a piece of shiat
 
2012-11-05 12:21:44 PM  

Free Radical: Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...


Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.
 
2012-11-05 12:22:14 PM  
I'll see it for certain. But I'm cautiously optimistic. When they announced Mickey Rourke for Iron Man 2, I was all "awesome! and he talks to be a bird! this is going to be badass!". And then it sucked horribly. So this time I'll temper my enthusiasm for Ben Kingsley.
 
2012-11-05 12:24:00 PM  

moothemagiccow: That's pretty curious considering Iron Man 2 was a piece of shiat


It sucks to say it but yeah, it really was. I was uncomfortable in the theater at how bad it was. And anyone saying that Favreau should direct the new star wars needs to offer an explanation as to why IM2 should be considered an ok movie.

still excited for this one though. Maybe the avengers got this back on track.
 
2012-11-05 12:26:20 PM  

Free Radical: So it's filled with ridiculous plot holes, goes on for an hour longer than it needs to, and wastes time with meaningless flashbacks?

I may have to pass on it.


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2012-11-05 12:28:04 PM  

Decillion: Free Radical: Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...

Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.


No, it means things like "guy who has no cartilage in his knee and requires a special brace to walk, and has had his back broken, can climb a wall and fall on the rope, putting immense stress on his back repeatedly, and then go right back into action like he stole a younger body." For starters.

Batman Begins was good. The Dark Knight was incredible. The Dark Knight Rises was BINO.
 
2012-11-05 12:29:24 PM  

Decillion: Free Radical: Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...

Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.


It also does not mean 'broken back is healed by hanging from a noose and getting punched in less than 3 months with no other medicine or treatement'.

The time frame was the biggest flaw in the whole thing. It would have been better without it.
 
2012-11-05 12:30:00 PM  

Boojum2k: Decillion: Free Radical: Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...

Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.

No, it means things like "guy who has no cartilage in his knee and requires a special brace to walk, and has had his back broken, can climb a wall and fall on the rope, putting immense stress on his back repeatedly, and then go right back into action like he stole a younger body." For starters.

Batman Begins was good. The Dark Knight was incredible. The Dark Knight Rises was BINO.


Training montage, it's good for what ails ya.
 
2012-11-05 12:33:27 PM  
On a different note, I really like the background for Shadowlocked, especially on the right. Spiderman, Darth Vader, and Legion the Geth. Very cool!
 
2012-11-05 12:37:39 PM  

Boojum2k: Decillion: Free Radical: Wayne 985: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There were no plot holes in TDKR?

Go on...

Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.

No, it means things like "guy who has no cartilage in his knee and requires a special brace to walk, and has had his back broken, can climb a wall and fall on the rope, putting immense stress on his back repeatedly, and then go right back into action like he stole a younger body." For starters.

Batman Begins was good. The Dark Knight was incredible. The Dark Knight Rises was BINO.


Well, what you're saying is these are things you wish were shown differently. It's explained how his back was fixed. It was not a Knightfall injury. Perhaps they didn't make it clear the amount of time that passes over his captivity (for healing and conditioning), but the idea is there with the snow, and the condition of Gotham.

Again, not plot holes. You just wanted a different Batman movie.
 
2012-11-05 12:39:33 PM  

thecpt: moothemagiccow: That's pretty curious considering Iron Man 2 was a piece of shiat

It sucks to say it but yeah, it really was. I was uncomfortable in the theater at how bad it was. And anyone saying that Favreau should direct the new star wars needs to offer an explanation as to why IM2 should be considered an ok movie.

still excited for this one though. Maybe the avengers got this back on track.


B-b-but Cowboys and Aliens!

I believe IM2 was better the second time. I couldn't
 
2012-11-05 12:43:17 PM  
...make it through Cowboys and Aliens a second time if my life depended on it. And yes, I've actually tried.

But Favreau gets a pass for life for Swingers, Elf, and IM1.

/stupid Fark app.
 
2012-11-05 12:45:28 PM  

Decillion: You just wanted a different Batman movie.


I wanted a Batman movie, along the lines of BB and TDK. I didn't get one. That's on the director, not me. As a generic emo action movie, Rises was watchable, and that's about it.
 
2012-11-05 12:50:18 PM  

Mulchpuppy: ...make it through Cowboys and Aliens a second time if my life depended on it. And yes, I've actually tried.

But Favreau gets a pass for life for Swingers, Elf, and IM1.

/stupid Fark app.


I'm not the biggest fan of Swingers (just not a big fan of dead pan), and I love Elf. I just don't understand why people think he's a top tier director as comedies (his best work) to me have a lot more riding on casting and script than action movies. IM1 is a really good movie, but I thought that was because IM's origin story is different and refreshing from every other super hero tale. Towards the end it got pretty cheesy, I just can't see The Dude as a bad guy though.
 
2012-11-05 12:53:35 PM  

thecpt: Towards the end it got pretty cheesy, I just can't see The Dude as a bad guy though.


I've been an Iron Man fan for years, and when they announced Obadiah Stane was in the movie, and played by Jeff Bridges, I was pleased. And more so when I saw the result.
 
2012-11-05 12:58:55 PM  

Boojum2k: thecpt: Towards the end it got pretty cheesy, I just can't see The Dude as a bad guy though.

I've been an Iron Man fan for years, and when they announced Obadiah Stane was in the movie, and played by Jeff Bridges, I was pleased. And more so when I saw the result.


Yeah the problem could just be how I see him as he played a villain pretty well. But my point is Favreau isn't a great action director because of that one success. His imdb page is awesome to look at.
 
2012-11-05 01:03:44 PM  

Decillion:
Again, not plot holes. You just wanted a different Batman movie.



Give it up White Knight guy. I liked the movie alot and it still had gaping plot holes. Hell analyze TDK and it has more than a few as well.
 
2012-11-05 01:17:48 PM  

thecpt: IM1 is a really good movie, but I thought that was because IM's origin story is different and refreshing from every other super hero tale. Towards the end it got pretty cheesy, I just can't see The Dude as a bad guy though.


You do know he was in other films besides that one right? Sometimes as not the nicest chap.

Oh the youth of today!
 
2012-11-05 01:19:52 PM  

Digitalstrange: Decillion:
Again, not plot holes. You just wanted a different Batman movie.


Give it up White Knight guy. I liked the movie alot and it still had gaping plot holes. Hell analyze TDK and it has more than a few as well.


Not for Bats. I'm more of a mislabeled plot holes white knight. It's a hobby.

The problem with analyzing is that you could easily end up filling in the 'plot gap'. For TDKR obviously Bruce Wayne has knowledge of traveling the world and likely some hidden assets or favours to call in, but for most people their brain skips straight to, "This sucks, how did he get back to Gotham so quickly?"

In TDK maybe Jokers plan went too well, but is it a plot hole that the he got lucky?
 
2012-11-05 01:20:09 PM  

nelsonal: Training montage, it's good for what ails ya.


Exactly.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:25 PM  

Decillion: In TDK maybe Jokers plan went too well, but is it a plot hole that the he got lucky?


Just as lucky as someone stringing up high explosives around three major bridges and a tunnel and no one noticing a thing?

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2012-11-05 01:25:21 PM  

MorePeasPlease: You do know he was in other films besides that one right? Sometimes as not the nicest chap.

Oh the youth of today!


Yeah. They happened before I was born. He practically played the dude in every role since, and I confessed it was probably just me but IM1 kind of faded at the end. The climax was IM flying straight up to beat the villain due to icing.
 
2012-11-05 01:26:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Decillion: In TDK maybe Jokers plan went too well, but is it a plot hole that the he got lucky?

Just as lucky as someone stringing up high explosives around three major bridges and a tunnel and no one noticing a thing?

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Wait it was chemical explosives in concrete done under city approved permits. Or was that the joke?
 
2012-11-05 01:33:00 PM  
"Why Iron Man 3 is basically just The Dark Knight Rises"

cuz it sucks ass too?
 
2012-11-05 01:39:41 PM  

Decillion: Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.


Sounds more like you saw the film you wanted to see and not the film that was delivered.

"A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

Plot holes is correct when discussing TDKR and no amount of white knighting will change that.
 
2012-11-05 01:42:09 PM  

thecpt: Wait it was chemical explosives in concrete done under city approved permits. Or was that the joke?


It was a really smart idea mixing it the concrete, really smart. However you still need to rig it up to blow. Start running a ton of wire around bridges and you're going to get a busy body to rat on you.

Still love the movie, but you have to suspend some belief. Anyone who demands that everything be believable is just going to be disappointed. Go watch some chick flick or something
 
2012-11-05 01:43:43 PM  

Free Radical: Decillion: Plot hole does not mean, 'Things I wish happened differently'.

Sounds more like you saw the film you wanted to see and not the film that was delivered.

"A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

Plot holes is correct when discussing TDKR and no amount of white knighting will change that.


It's also correct when discussing TDK, which had just as many. It's a comic book movie, just let it slide and move on.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting this is the internet.
 
2012-11-05 01:51:29 PM  

Flappyhead: It's also correct when discussing TDK, which had just as many. It's a comic book movie, just let it slide and move on.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting this is the internet.


I guess it annoys me when people take a position when having no clue on what the position actually entails.

Lots of films have plot holes which is fine. TDKR just had some rather large ones that were unnecessary IMHO.
 
2012-11-05 01:55:48 PM  

Free Radical: Flappyhead: It's also correct when discussing TDK, which had just as many. It's a comic book movie, just let it slide and move on.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting this is the internet.

I guess it annoys me when people take a position when having no clue on what the position actually entails.

Lots of films have plot holes which is fine. TDKR just had some rather large ones that were unnecessary IMHO.


True, and so did TDK. As much as Bruce healing up and getting back into Gotham bugged people the Jokers insanely complicated try to kill Dent, get caught and break out of prison with the money man scheme that went off waaay to easily bugged me. But I let it slide and still enjoyed the movie.
 
2012-11-05 01:57:14 PM  

Free Radical: Flappyhead: It's also correct when discussing TDK, which had just as many. It's a comic book movie, just let it slide and move on.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting this is the internet.

I guess it annoys me when people take a position when having no clue on what the position actually entails.

Lots of films have plot holes which is fine. TDKR just had some rather large ones that were unnecessary IMHO.


I was okay with nearly everything, I just understood it as poor editing. Most of the complaints I heard were how things happened so quickly over an unspecified period of time. Things weren't explained well during that montage.

/still liked it. much better than most comic book based movies.
 
2012-11-05 02:05:43 PM  
Trailers often play around with the chronological sequence of their source footage. There is nothing you can point to in the trailer as definitively in linear sequence. I'm banking that the snow shots are actually from close to the end of the movie. The exploding suits could very well be Tony self-destructing them himself, in order to keep them out of the hands of others, which may relate to the various versions of hs "armor wars" story line from the comics.

There's an obvious new suit in the movie that may or may not be operable without a pilot inside, this was also a theme in the comics, where the suit gains sentience and a will of its own....

Then there is something like Iron Patriot in it, in a re-paint of War Machine's armor. There is the shot of human shadows burned onto a wall, a callback to such things from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And shots of suit pieces appearing to be telepathically controlled by Tony. Those could be a callback to the recent Extremis arc from the comics.

Then you have Mandy. If I was to guess, I would lay out the plot as: Mandy thru Guy Pierce's character, who is probably a mix of Hammer and Stane archetypes, arranges a way to discredit Stark by hijacking his armor remotely and causing the deaths of those people on the wall. (There was a very memorable storyline of this in the comics, where Stark assassinates a foreign leader on live TV with a repulsor blast "accident", and it sends him into his long dark drunk period.) The government reaction would be to immediately move to seize all his suits, and Tony destructs them, rather than surrendering them. Iron Patriot is produced by the government to take the disgraced Iron Man's place as a peacekeeper, but this is all secretly a part of Mandy's plot to infiltrate and destroy. Stark has one new suit left, and Mandy sends the choppers in to eliminate it and Stark. Iron Patriot then reveals his true nature, Stark makes his hail mary play with extremis plus his new suit, and does the big bad fight at the end. 

And there will be an off-camera sex scene with Pepper Potts.
 
2012-11-05 02:16:52 PM  
So someone is going to dress like Ben Kingsley and shoot up a theater?

/Ghandi no!
 
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