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(USA Today)   Mayor Bloomberg says he fought for the cancelled New York City Marathon to be run, although he admits there would be a problem separating the Marathoners from the people running because there is no gas   (usatoday.com) divider line 23
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2012-11-05 10:27:26 AM  
Are you seriously still trying to die on this hill, Bloomberg? Are you stupid?
 
2012-11-05 10:30:29 AM  

Gosling: Are you seriously still trying to die on this hill, Bloomberg? Are you stupid?


Some people are not able to get insurance adjusters to their houses until later this week because there were no hotels in NYC this weekend. Bloomberg made the wrong call and need to admit it was a mistake and move on.
 
2012-11-05 10:32:29 AM  
Cancelling the marathon seemed the smart thing to do, why show that he was trying to be stupid? "Enough resources?" With no gas in the town and people very cold in unpowered homes? He's nuts.
 
2012-11-05 10:49:02 AM  
Do yourselves a favor, do not read the New York Road Runners Facebook page. The comments from those self-absorbed asshats are infuriating.

And Bloomberg needs to stop defending his initial decision to run the marathon as scheduled. People are homeless, powerless, transit is still spotty and they still thought it was a good idea to run a race through 5 boroughs, close down roadways and bridges and line the route with cops and emergency personnel. It's farking absurd, and I feel sorry for the cult of runners who are bent out of shape about this. It's sad when people's priorities are that out of whack.
 
2012-11-05 11:03:24 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Do yourselves a favor, do not read the New York Road Runners Facebook page. The comments from those self-absorbed asshats are infuriating.


I disagree about your assessment of the Facebook page comments. There are as many more comments defending the cancellation than attacking it.

.//Go be infuriated somewhere else.
 
2012-11-05 11:07:19 AM  
I know a lot of runners, including some who were scheduled for NY. Not one of them is upset that it was cancelled - disappointed, sure. When you spend 3 or 4 months of your life training for something, a little bit of disappointment is to be expected. But they all know what is important and they'll find some other race to run.

I think the only thing they are 'mad' about is how it was handled. It should have been cancelled much earlier in the week. Hell, by Friday nearly every person is already in NY to pick up their race packets, look at the course, etc. That's saying nothing of the people who flew in from overseas.  Just a flat out mess.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:26 AM  

Gunny Highway: Gosling: Are you seriously still trying to die on this hill, Bloomberg? Are you stupid?

Some people are not able to get insurance adjusters to their houses until later this week because there were no hotels in NYC this weekend. Bloomberg made the wrong call and need to admit it was a mistake and move on.


What I have found interesting is the furor over the marathon (right or wrong), mostly about the diversion of resources (which is a real potential issue). While this weekend we've had two Knicks games, two Nets games and a Giants game and nary a peep.
 
2012-11-05 11:21:18 AM  

Moopy Mac: What I have found interesting is the furor over the marathon (right or wrong), mostly about the diversion of resources (which is a real potential issue). While this weekend we've had two Knicks games, two Nets games and a Giants game and nary a peep.


It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.
 
2012-11-05 11:26:34 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Moopy Mac: What I have found interesting is the furor over the marathon (right or wrong), mostly about the diversion of resources (which is a real potential issue). While this weekend we've had two Knicks games, two Nets games and a Giants game and nary a peep.

It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.


So it is just a matter of scale?

Diverting resources to MSG, Barclays, Meadowlands, MSG and Barclays is fine then because it just diverts (a smaller amount of) resources for roughly 22 hours spread out over a weekend?
 
2012-11-05 11:34:01 AM  

Moopy Mac: Yanks_RSJ: Moopy Mac: What I have found interesting is the furor over the marathon (right or wrong), mostly about the diversion of resources (which is a real potential issue). While this weekend we've had two Knicks games, two Nets games and a Giants game and nary a peep.

It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.

So it is just a matter of scale?

Diverting resources to MSG, Barclays, Meadowlands, MSG and Barclays is fine then because it just diverts (a smaller amount of) resources for roughly 22 hours spread out over a weekend?


If what you're worried about is diverting resources, the amount of resources you're diverting would have to be a primary concern, no?

Closing a bunch of bridges to vehicle traffic while several of the tunnels are still closed from the storm seems like a problem too. The other games don't shut down transportation.

I understand why people would be frustrated. Because of the way the lottery for the NY marathon works, lots of people have waited several years and spent a lot of money to run the race, but cancelling it was the right thing to do. As was said earlier in the thread they just should have made the call sooner.
 
2012-11-05 11:36:30 AM  

Moopy Mac: So it is just a matter of scale?

Diverting resources to MSG, Barclays, Meadowlands, MSG and Barclays is fine then because it just diverts (a smaller amount of) resources for roughly 22 hours spread out over a weekend?


It was the Mayor and NYRR that made the case about the diversion of resources. The case for canceling the marathon involves all of the things I've already mentioned regarding transit issues, hotel rooms for runners that were occupied by flood victims, and, yes, a police presence substantially larger than any of the other events you mentioned.
 
2012-11-05 11:51:34 AM  
the idea that the Marathon was cancelled due to diversion of resources is not the reason at all. The majority of the opposition to the marathon came from Staten Island and rightfully so. The marathon takes place is all five boroughs of the city, but not really. The race begins in staten island, where about 30,000 plus runners show up, make a huge mess and then run across the bridge, leaving staten island in the dust. the race never has and never will be anything more than a nuisance to the majority of staten islanders because we don't get to line up somewhere and watch the runners past by and cheer them on, we get to see their tail lights as they get out of here as quick as they can.

and that seems to be the way alot of things are staten island always gets the short end of the stick, it's unfortunate that it took this level of destruction for the city to finally realize that there is a place called staten island that it is part of the city and every once and while it's needs are more important than a race. for now staten island is getting the attention it needs and hopefully this will change things for the better ... but who am i kidding three months from now i'll be snowed in waiting for a plow to come 4 days after it snowed, while manhattan and brooklyn look like it never even snowed.
 
2012-11-05 12:05:31 PM  

you have pee hands: Moopy Mac: Yanks_RSJ: Moopy Mac: What I have found interesting is the furor over the marathon (right or wrong), mostly about the diversion of resources (which is a real potential issue). While this weekend we've had two Knicks games, two Nets games and a Giants game and nary a peep.

It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.

So it is just a matter of scale?

Diverting resources to MSG, Barclays, Meadowlands, MSG and Barclays is fine then because it just diverts (a smaller amount of) resources for roughly 22 hours spread out over a weekend?

If what you're worried about is diverting resources, the amount of resources you're diverting would have to be a primary concern, no?

Closing a bunch of bridges to vehicle traffic while several of the tunnels are still closed from the storm seems like a problem too. The other games don't shut down transportation.

I understand why people would be frustrated. Because of the way the lottery for the NY marathon works, lots of people have waited several years and spent a lot of money to run the race, but cancelling it was the right thing to do. As was said earlier in the thread they just should have made the call sooner.


The reaction against the marathon has been so...visceral, even from people that didn't even lose power (actually, mostly from people that didn't lose power), that it just struck me as odd.
 
2012-11-05 12:11:09 PM  

ogie666: the idea that the Marathon was cancelled due to diversion of resources is not the reason at all. The majority of the opposition to the marathon came from Staten Island and rightfully so. The marathon takes place is all five boroughs of the city, but not really. The race begins in staten island, where about 30,000 plus runners show up, make a huge mess and then run across the bridge, leaving staten island in the dust. the race never has and never will be anything more than a nuisance to the majority of staten islanders because we don't get to line up somewhere and watch the runners past by and cheer them on, we get to see their tail lights as they get out of here as quick as they can.

and that seems to be the way alot of things are staten island always gets the short end of the stick, it's unfortunate that it took this level of destruction for the city to finally realize that there is a place called staten island that it is part of the city and every once and while it's needs are more important than a race. for now staten island is getting the attention it needs and hopefully this will change things for the better ... but who am i kidding three months from now i'll be snowed in waiting for a plow to come 4 days after it snowed, while manhattan and brooklyn look like it never even snowed.


As you probably know, SI is by far the smallest borough, couple that with its (relative) geographic isolation and other factors, and unfortunately things aren't going to change any time soon.
 
2012-11-05 12:50:47 PM  
I find it curious the outrage that was assigned to the mere idea first responders be assigned to the run, but no one has said a word about the first responders that were given free tickets to and attended the Giants game. At least at the run they would have been working. Double standard or is that just me?
 
2012-11-05 12:55:32 PM  
They found a way to still play the Giants game. They could have found a way to run the marathon. I don't give a crap either way, I'm just sayin'.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:43 PM  

ogie666: the idea that the Marathon was cancelled due to diversion of resources is not the reason at all. The majority of the opposition to the marathon came from Staten Island and rightfully so. The marathon takes place is all five boroughs of the city, but not really. The race begins in staten island, where about 30,000 plus runners show up, make a huge mess and then run across the bridge, leaving staten island in the dust. the race never has and never will be anything more than a nuisance to the majority of staten islanders because we don't get to line up somewhere and watch the runners past by and cheer them on, we get to see their tail lights as they get out of here as quick as they can.

and that seems to be the way alot of things are staten island always gets the short end of the stick, it's unfortunate that it took this level of destruction for the city to finally realize that there is a place called staten island that it is part of the city and every once and while it's needs are more important than a race. for now staten island is getting the attention it needs and hopefully this will change things for the better ... but who am i kidding three months from now i'll be snowed in waiting for a plow to come 4 days after it snowed, while manhattan and brooklyn look like it never even snowed.


So SI was worried that the marathon would take attention away from them?

Ugh... The NYC marathon was on my to do list (I travel to multiple marathons a year, goal of 50 in 50). But now I am strongly thinking when it comes time to do NY, I will just go to a small one up north.
 
2012-11-05 03:51:05 PM  
Screw Bloomberg and his tricksy translator
 
2012-11-05 03:52:17 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: They found a way to still play the Giants game. They could have found a way to run the marathon. I don't give a crap either way, I'm just sayin'.


Well the Steelers did. The Giants, not so much.
 
2012-11-05 06:06:17 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: They found a way to still play the Giants game. They could have found a way to run the marathon. I don't give a crap either way, I'm just sayin'.


I guess you don't read too well. You missed this helpful post that was written over an hour before your own:

Yanks_RSJ: It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.


I'm just sayin'.

mikaloyd:

Awesome.
 
2012-11-05 06:15:16 PM  

umad: Why Would I Read the Article: They found a way to still play the Giants game. They could have found a way to run the marathon. I don't give a crap either way, I'm just sayin'.

I guess you don't read too well. You missed this helpful post that was written over an hour before your own:

Yanks_RSJ: It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.

I'm just sayin'.

mikaloyd:

Awesome.


But again. It wasn't a single venue. It was three venues, five times over a weekend.

You have people arguing it is about diverting resources. You also have people saying that it wasn't about diverting resources. And that is in this very same thread.

There's just no consistent, coherent argument being made.
 
dbv
2012-11-05 07:31:14 PM  

Moopy Mac: umad: Why Would I Read the Article: They found a way to still play the Giants game. They could have found a way to run the marathon. I don't give a crap either way, I'm just sayin'.

I guess you don't read too well. You missed this helpful post that was written over an hour before your own:

Yanks_RSJ: It's almost as if playing games in a single venue is a different operation than a race that shuts down major roadways and bridges and uses thousands of law enforcement officials for crowd management in all five boroughs of New York City ALL DAY LONG.

I'm just sayin'.

mikaloyd:

Awesome.

But again. It wasn't a single venue. It was three venues, five times over a weekend.

You have people arguing it is about diverting resources. You also have people saying that it wasn't about diverting resources. And that is in this very same thread.

There's just no consistent, coherent argument being made.


What is your argument then?
 
2012-11-05 09:07:59 PM  

Moopy Mac:
But again. It wasn't a single venue. It was three venues, five times over a weekend.

You have people arguing it is about diverting resources. You also have people saying that it wasn't about diverting resources. And that is in this very same thread.

There's just no consistent, coherent argument being made.


Where was the mayor on Wednesday? Opening bell at the stock exchange. He had to make a show that business would be open in NYC, and that he would support business interests in NYC. NYC is the financial capital of the US, and he knows it. I dislike that move, it could have rung without him and he could have been in areas harder hit by the storm instead. Whatever.

The Giants game was in NJ. Different state. Different resources. Different circumstances. Different decision makers. NYC recovery may have been impeded, and certainly was not helped from the highway traffic that went with the game, but that probably had nothing to do with the decision to have the game. The game was decided by NJ officials, and the NFL. The teams probably had no say.

The basketball games are in a fairly small area, compared to a marathon. The message was already sent, 'business will open'. The games were played. This thinking is why the marathon was not cancelled sooner. The marathon is a big deal, and a money event, a 'pride of NY event', which made it special. It was just too big, and those roads (a resource) were needed for emergency services (resources) to handle the storm aftermath during the hours of the staging and execution of the marathon (time as a resource). The decision was made at the last minute. Given the unprecedented situation, fairly understandable. History is full of leaders making poor decisions in the face of unprecedented situations.
 
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