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(Snopes)   So you've probably heard about how the electrical workers from Alabama were turned away in NJ because they don't belong to a union, right? Well, you may be surprised to find out that the story is complete bullshiat   (snopes.com) divider line 90
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2012-11-05 06:49:17 AM  
Please, like we'd ever be lied to like that. Pffft. Pull the other one.
 
2012-11-05 06:50:49 AM  
If a republicker's mouth is moving, it's telling a lie.
 
2012-11-05 06:51:47 AM  
Well I got an email that said that Fox News said that Snopes is liberal propaganda, so there.
 
2012-11-05 06:52:11 AM  
Drudge told me that story. It must be true! Everything Matt tells me is true. That's how I know Mitt Romney is going to win tomorrow!
 
2012-11-05 06:52:31 AM  
I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.
 
2012-11-05 06:52:45 AM  
No, this is the first I heard of it.

/But I live in the blessed silence of not listening to anything and not having TV
//...I get my news from Fark.
 
2012-11-05 06:53:40 AM  
I have already seen a metric asston of BS posted this election cycle on FB...makes me just want to create crazy stupid stuff and see if I can get people to spread it like a social disease too....
 
2012-11-05 06:54:19 AM  

Cinaed: I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.


Yep. Fox News will run the correction at around 3:48 Thursday morning.
 
2012-11-05 06:55:34 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Well I got an email that said that Fox News said that Snopes is liberal propaganda, so there.


Yeah, I like that claim. The people who make it get strangely silent when you point out the number of times they take down the Left, or the amount of sourcing they do for these articles. They cover their asses pretty well.
 
2012-11-05 06:57:29 AM  
I'm going to assume that every article I read from now until the election is over is complete bullshiat.
 
2012-11-05 06:58:14 AM  
I knew it was bullshiat as soon as John Stossel said it.
 
2012-11-05 06:58:17 AM  
I'm so f*cking sick of Republicans. There, I said it.
 
2012-11-05 07:00:13 AM  
What a shameless way to use a terrible disaster to promote the anti-union viewpoint. Talk about sickening and desperate.
 
2012-11-05 07:00:55 AM  
if every job out there was covered by the media, we'd all think it was the end of the world
 
2012-11-05 07:02:37 AM  
Media: Half right a quarter of the time.
 
2012-11-05 07:04:50 AM  
So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?
 
2012-11-05 07:05:44 AM  

hinten: So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?


"Bless your heart"
 
2012-11-05 07:06:26 AM  
Obvious GOP trolls are obvious.
 
2012-11-05 07:07:59 AM  
I just assume stories like this are lies. I check them to make sure, but I assume they are lies first
 
2012-11-05 07:08:10 AM  
Shame on the IBEW for wanting workers to make a living wage. WHY DOES THE IBEW HATE AMERICA?!
 
2012-11-05 07:08:44 AM  
You don't say?

Paramedic/EMT union member, former police union member, son of a life long UAW member who now is steward of a public transit union, grandson of a Grandfather and Grandmother who were both life long UAW members, other grandfather was a welding journeyman union steward, and how many other members of my family in various unions like stone cutters, masons, teachers, and carpenters.

I don't even just find these attacks annoying and unsubstantiated, but downright insulting. The Democrats by and large suck, but at least they aren't actively trying to destroy everything that made this country an economic superpower last century.

/didn't realize just how deep in union culture my family and I were until I listed it just now...
 
2012-11-05 07:08:48 AM  

AngryPoet: I have already seen a metric asston of BS posted this election cycle on FB...makes me just want to create crazy stupid stuff and see if I can get people to spread it like a social disease too....


Get you one of these bad boys from Farker Saborlas:

i970.photobucket.com

Piss off fundies and derpers. Stoke the poutrage! Feed the fear!
 
2012-11-05 07:08:57 AM  
Total BS. Here in W Virginia, where union is king, we had a massive power outage due to a windstorm this summer. There were bucket trucks from all over the country here.
 
2012-11-05 07:09:27 AM  
Frankly, at least if they were union you would know that they have the training and experience to not kill themselves or you. I can do a lot of residential/commercial stuff, but for insurance purposes you don't want me in your house doing anything. To put it more in terms that people on Fark can understand- what would happen if a PC user tried to work on an Apple computer?
 
2012-11-05 07:10:37 AM  
It would be useful, as a discerning device, for someone to track all the bullshiat spewed by all the bullshiat web sites during this cycle. We could rank all these idiots according to how often they sent us down a rabbit hole, how often they lied, how often they put their thumbs on the scale, how often they trolled us.

It's amazing to me that Drudge, who does all those things every minute of every day, has any traffic at all. He's willfully inaccurate and completely partisan. He's a hack of the first order, and the second.

And yet he gets traffic for his lies, for his deceptions, for his trolling. What a farking business.
 
2012-11-05 07:10:58 AM  

AngryPoet: I have already seen a metric asston of BS posted this election cycle on FB...makes me just want to create crazy stupid stuff and see if I can get people to spread it like a social disease too....


Or destroy people like an arc of some kind?

www.reallifecomics.com
 
2012-11-05 07:12:51 AM  

animal color: It would be useful, as a discerning device, for someone to track all the bullshiat spewed by all the bullshiat web sites during this cycle. We could rank all these idiots according to how often they sent us down a rabbit hole, how often they lied, how often they put their thumbs on the scale, how often they trolled us.

It's amazing to me that Drudge, who does all those things every minute of every day, has any traffic at all. He's willfully inaccurate and completely partisan. He's a hack of the first order, and the second.

And yet he gets traffic for his lies, for his deceptions, for his trolling. What a farking business.


Gay republicans, as a species, are neither the most stable nor the most reliable of human beings.
 
2012-11-05 07:18:21 AM  
yeah all the local papers and newscasts were running with this story. of course they're all conservative propaganda mills but that's the way it is here in the south.
 
2012-11-05 07:21:40 AM  
More BS stories from the people who want to eliminate all unions to promote their, "'Fairness' means that you individually have no ability to oppose your decrease in pay and increase in work productivity requirements" mantra.
 
2012-11-05 07:22:17 AM  
Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.
 
2012-11-05 07:24:43 AM  

aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.


Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.
 
2012-11-05 07:26:09 AM  

Dahnkster: AngryPoet: I have already seen a metric asston of BS posted this election cycle on FB...makes me just want to create crazy stupid stuff and see if I can get people to spread it like a social disease too....

Get you one of these bad boys from Farker Saborlas:

[i970.photobucket.com image 657x202]

Piss off fundies and derpers. Stoke the poutrage! Feed the fear!



I have already heard my family behind my back saying" He's one one of t'em now..."...If I posted that my family would freak the fark out...well some of them and stark looking for strange cars and black vans driving by and listening for cheliopters...
 
2012-11-05 07:27:07 AM  
All political anecdotes are lies. If you listen to anything other than hard, in context stats, you are a useful moron.
 
2012-11-05 07:28:01 AM  

stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.


I refuse to let my opinions be dictated by fact checkers, when almost all of them exhibit strong liberal bias.
 
2012-11-05 07:29:03 AM  

stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.


Saturday night I was told that Obama threw away $2 trillion out of a $762 billion dollar stimulus on failed green energy projects.
 
2012-11-05 07:30:28 AM  

Lost Thought 00: All political anecdotes are lies. If you listen to anything other than hard, in context stats, you are a useful moron.


This is the first time someone's called me useful!
 
2012-11-05 07:30:57 AM  

ghare: stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.

Saturday night I was told that Obama threw away $2 trillion out of a $762 billion dollar stimulus on failed green energy projects.


I'm guessing the person that said that wasn't the class valedictorian.
 
2012-11-05 07:32:11 AM  

hinten: So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?



*Daaawwww......aren't you just the cutest little thing!*
 
2012-11-05 07:34:01 AM  

stoli n coke: ghare: stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.

Saturday night I was told that Obama threw away $2 trillion out of a $762 billion dollar stimulus on failed green energy projects.

I'm guessing the person that said that wasn't the class valedictorian.


No he wasn't but, he IS a successful businessman (got that way by cheating on his wife and marrying an heiress who gave him $250k to start his business) who went out and bought a $90,000 Porsche Saturday morning and then explained to me how high taxes were preventing him from giving his workers a $5 a week raise. Very concerned about Shaniqua and her welfare, but I'll give him this: when I said the white bankers took this country for more than every single welfare mom put together ever, he paused.
 
2012-11-05 07:35:45 AM  

hinten: So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?


1) Close Facebook tab
2) Delete browser history
3) Uninstall browser
4) Format hard drive
5) Remove hard drive
6) Burn hard drive
7) Snort the ashes
 
2012-11-05 07:36:47 AM  

ghare: stoli n coke: ghare: stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.

Saturday night I was told that Obama threw away $2 trillion out of a $762 billion dollar stimulus on failed green energy projects.

I'm guessing the person that said that wasn't the class valedictorian.

No he wasn't but, he IS a successful businessman (got that way by cheating on his wife and marrying an heiress who gave him $250k to start his business) who went out and bought a $90,000 Porsche Saturday morning and then explained to me how high taxes were preventing him from giving his workers a $5 a week raise. Very concerned about Shaniqua and her welfare, but I'll give him this: when I said the white bankers took this country for more than every single welfare mom put together ever, he paused.


Give him a few years for his new wife to leave him, taking, as Eddie Murphy put it, "HALF!" Come to think of it, if she gave him the startup capital, she could get more than that.

That'll bring him back down to humility.
 
2012-11-05 07:38:29 AM  
So not everyone is as hyper partisan as Fox? Even unions?

Well paint me purple, spank my ass, and call me Nancy, that just don't make no sense.
 
2012-11-05 07:38:50 AM  
Oh, that story is still making the rounds on Facebook. I just did a search of public posts for the word "unionized" and found several people still posting it for the first time this morning.
 
None of them on the timeline of any of my friends, thankfully.
 
2012-11-05 07:41:34 AM  

SmackLT: Oh, that story is still making the rounds on Facebook. I just did a search of public posts for the word "unionized" and found several people still posting it for the first time this morning.
 
None of them on the timeline of any of my friends, thankfully.


I have seen some crazy stuff posted on some of my friends timelines....some I have posted and reasoned with.....others seem to far gone...
 
2012-11-05 07:42:28 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-05 07:42:48 AM  

stoli n coke:
Give him a few years for his new wife to leave him, taking, as Eddie Murphy put it, "HALF!" Come to think of it, if she gave him the startup capital, she could get more than that.

That'll bring him back down to humility.


You kidding? He'll blame the damn lefty liberal socialists for ruining his business, and the sanctity of his marriage.
 
2012-11-05 07:43:41 AM  

Jackson Herring: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


I lol'd.
 
2012-11-05 07:50:54 AM  
What? Republicans gleefully using something which damages America for their own political gain? Color me shocked!

This is why all Republicans love it when something bad happens to this country. Rush Limbaugh (the apotheosis of Republican thinking) made it most clear when we didn't get to host the Olympics a couple of years ago, and he was happy because it made America look weak.

Also, look at how much Republican semen dribbled down the front of millions of mobility scooters on 9/11. They ate that shiat up! "Finally!" thought every Republican, "We can legally kill brown people!".

Now that things are winding down in the middle east, they are desperately looking for more brown people to legally kill, which is why they are inventing all the outrage over Benghazi.

/ 14GOP88
// Until every Republican is innocent, all Republicans are guilty.
 
2012-11-05 07:54:44 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: If a republicker's mouth is moving, it's telling a lie.


And if it's not moving? Farking run!
 
2012-11-05 07:56:38 AM  
If you took the original story at face value, you're not smart.
 
2012-11-05 07:59:46 AM  
My mom was harping on this a couple of days ago. This claim didn't make sense to me, so I googled it, and found a bunch of "articles" claiming it to be true, but I did find one actual journalistic article quoting Chris Christie saying that it wasn't true, and that if anything the workers had been reassigned and it was a miscommunication. I sent her the article.

Later she was still saying that it was true that they were turning nonunion workers away. I didn't argue with her, because what's the point?

So yesterday I saw this Snopes article, and sent it to her. No reply, although I've talked to her since about other things, but I doubt she even looked at it. She would rather believe the lies she hears on talk radio than the reality I'm trying to bring her back into. It makes me really sad.
 
2012-11-05 08:02:02 AM  

thurstonxhowell: If you took the original story at face value, you're not smart a republican.


Too easy.
 
2012-11-05 08:03:07 AM  
On a related note. Seeing the propaganda my senile father gets in the mail clarifies someting. It was in this election cycle that "right to work" expanded from "no minimum wage," "no workplace regulation," and "no unions" to include "make them lazy welfare queens (and their spawn*) scrub toilets if they want to eat."

So it's "MY right to make YOU work (you useless piece of human filth)."

*those precious children, those precious precious lives that must be preserved at all costs--SCRUB OR STARVE.
 
2012-11-05 08:03:15 AM  

aselene: stoli n coke: aselene: Subby and the posters here have obviously missed the point: this story tells a higher truth. It is illustrative of a larger point, and whether or not it is strictly factual is irrelevant.

Welcome to post-Beckerhead America. People used to be entitled to their own opinions. Now, they're entitled to their own facts.

I refuse to let my opinions be dictated by facts checkers, when almost all of them exhibit strong liberal bias.


FTFY
 
2012-11-05 08:03:46 AM  
"So you've probably heard about how the electrical workers from Alabama were turned away in NJ because they don't belong to a union, right?"

No.
 
2012-11-05 08:04:09 AM  

make me some tea: My mom was harping on this a couple of days ago. This claim didn't make sense to me, so I googled it, and found a bunch of "articles" claiming it to be true, but I did find one actual journalistic article quoting Chris Christie saying that it wasn't true, and that if anything the workers had been reassigned and it was a miscommunication. I sent her the article.

Later she was still saying that it was true that they were turning nonunion workers away. I didn't argue with her, because what's the point?

So yesterday I saw this Snopes article, and sent it to her. No reply, although I've talked to her since about other things, but I doubt she even looked at it. She would rather believe the lies she hears on talk radio than the reality I'm trying to bring her back into. It makes me really sad.


When you send her a Snopes article, she has about the same reaction you would have if she sent you an article from World Net Daily. That's how screwed up they are.
 
2012-11-05 08:15:47 AM  

make me some tea: She would rather believe the lies she hears on talk radio


That pretty much sums it up. Some people want to believe lies and have their world view confirmed than deal with reality as it is.
 
2012-11-05 08:21:39 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Frankly, at least if they were union you would know that they have the training and experience to not kill themselves or you. I can do a lot of residential/commercial stuff, but for insurance purposes you don't want me in your house doing anything. To put it more in terms that people on Fark can understand- what would happen if a PC user tried to work on an Apple computer?


No comment on the PC/Apple hypothetical, but I can say that one of the major manufacturers I sell products for is located in a right-to-work state, and is virulently conservative. They have had major quality control issues ever since I've been aware of them, much more so than many of the union-state manufacturers we've worked with.
They, to their credit, have found a niche with very little competition, and do a good job on the product development side. But every new shipment is a grab bag of poor manufacturing issues we need to correct once delivered.

The plural of anecdote is not data, I know, but this has always struck me as notable.
 
2012-11-05 08:24:14 AM  

AngryPoet: SmackLT: Oh, that story is still making the rounds on Facebook. I just did a search of public posts for the word "unionized" and found several people still posting it for the first time this morning.
 
None of them on the timeline of any of my friends, thankfully.

I have seen some crazy stuff posted on some of my friends timelines....some I have posted and reasoned with.....others seem to far gone...


That's why I'm glad that my FB friends list is populated almost exclusively by musicians and carnies. They both live in a world unaffected by politics. They have more important shiat to talk about.
 
2012-11-05 08:27:40 AM  

Cinaed: I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.


While the article is hard to understand it appears the local bureaucracy in Alabama misunderstood NJ and drew up papers stating their crews had to join a Union.

Though it is true crews sent to NJ and other similar states do have to be paid Union wages.
 
2012-11-05 08:36:22 AM  

MindStalker: Cinaed: I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.

While the article is hard to understand it appears the local bureaucracy in Alabama misunderstood NJ and drew up papers stating their crews had to join a Union.

Though it is true crews sent to NJ and other similar states do have to be paid Union wages.


Honest question, are the out of state employers of the "traveling" crews reimbursed by the local utilities? Or do the remote utility companies absorb the additional costs as part of the mutual aid agreements mentioned in TFA? If they are reimbursed for the higher wages by the Northern utilities, what difference does it make? And if the local wage is what is to be paid to the actual worker, how to you get Northern crews to voluntarily take a pay cut while responding to Southern disasters?
 
2012-11-05 08:39:50 AM  
Still get eggs thrown at them.
 
2012-11-05 08:48:27 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: MindStalker: Cinaed: I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.

While the article is hard to understand it appears the local bureaucracy in Alabama misunderstood NJ and drew up papers stating their crews had to join a Union.

Though it is true crews sent to NJ and other similar states do have to be paid Union wages.

Honest question, are the out of state employers of the "traveling" crews reimbursed by the local utilities? Or do the remote utility companies absorb the additional costs as part of the mutual aid agreements mentioned in TFA? If they are reimbursed for the higher wages by the Northern utilities, what difference does it make? And if the local wage is what is to be paid to the actual worker, how to you get Northern crews to voluntarily take a pay cut while responding to Southern disasters?


The host company is responsible. And visiting crews get paid 24/7 at whatever rate they are at from the time they leave home until they return. Plus meals and housing of course. They work their asses off, but they can make a killing for a long restoration like this one.
 
2012-11-05 08:58:22 AM  
You know this is just more corporate Union hate. WTF is wrong with empowering American workers? Doctors, Lawyers, CEO's and even Congresscritters have organizations that lobby for their rights.

If you replaced the word Union in one of these articles with "Old People" or " Women" or "Dwarfs" Or pretty much any other sector of society, people would say WTF.

/ I guess the corporate propaganda money has been well spent...
 
2012-11-05 09:01:08 AM  
If a republican/libertarian/conservative is telling you something about a union it is without a doubt a lie or atleast an exaggeration.
 
2012-11-05 09:02:54 AM  
They can work...they just not might be able to drive their scab trucks after their scab tires get slashed.
 
2012-11-05 09:04:41 AM  

Hetfield: hinten: So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?

1) Close Facebook tab
2) Delete browser history
3) Uninstall browser
4) Format hard drive
5) Remove hard drive
6) Burn hard drive
7) Snort the ashes


You made me cough out a toke, you bastage.

You owe me, pal.
 
2012-11-05 09:10:44 AM  

mittromneysdog: make me some tea: My mom was harping on this a couple of days ago. This claim didn't make sense to me, so I googled it, and found a bunch of "articles" claiming it to be true, but I did find one actual journalistic article quoting Chris Christie saying that it wasn't true, and that if anything the workers had been reassigned and it was a miscommunication. I sent her the article.

Later she was still saying that it was true that they were turning nonunion workers away. I didn't argue with her, because what's the point?

So yesterday I saw this Snopes article, and sent it to her. No reply, although I've talked to her since about other things, but I doubt she even looked at it. She would rather believe the lies she hears on talk radio than the reality I'm trying to bring her back into. It makes me really sad.

When you send her a Snopes article, she has about the same reaction you would have if she sent you an article from World Net Daily. That's how screwed up they are.


I noticed that Snopes actually had citations for their information. I know, I know, I'm as shocked as you are that a news outlet actually gives the source of its information, but there it was. I suggest next time that you don't use the name snopes, just send her the links to the original articles and copy whatever snopes said in your explaination.
 
2012-11-05 09:11:19 AM  

Giltric: They can work...they just not might be able to drive their scab trucks after their scab tires get slashed.


Are you really this ignorant, or are you just pretending?

From freedictionary.com:

scab-4. (Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) Derogatory
a. Also called blackleg a person who refuses to support a trade union's actions, esp one who replaces a worker who is on strike

Good grief.
 
2012-11-05 09:16:29 AM  

MBrady: DubyaHater: I'm going to assume that every article I read from now until the election is over is complete bullshiat.

So, MSNBC "Romney Loses" ?


Yes, that would be an example of an article that would come after the election and would, therefore, not be assumed to be complete bullshiat.
 
2012-11-05 09:19:18 AM  
Here are the facts:

The emergency workers brought in from out of state would have to be paid UNION SCALE IF EVEN THEY ARE NOT UNION. In other words, the mouth breathing red staters would have been paid MORE than they get in their fair state of outhouses and meth labs WITHOUT PAYING UNION DUES. Of course these rocket-surgeons refused such a deal as a matter of principle. It's my understanding that he Koch brothers are currently having them undergo vivisection as to discover the brain abnormality that makes them such perfect serfs.

I live in North Jersey and yesterday I was out getting groceries and saw utility crews from Texas, Ohio and Quebec. These reasonable gentlemen are going to have a fat Christmas this year. I'm sure the 'Bama tards are probably looking forward to their usual yuletide Koch Brothers golden shower.
 
2012-11-05 09:39:09 AM  

thurstonxhowell: MBrady: DubyaHater: I'm going to assume that every article I read from now until the election is over is complete bullshiat.

So, MSNBC "Romney Loses" ?

Yes, that would be an example of an article that would come after the election and would, therefore, not be assumed to be complete bullshiat.


Look at them. They think bullshiat election stories will be over by Wednesday and that Romney will just slink off into the sunset. Look at them and laugh.
/he's gonna drag this farker out forever
 
2012-11-05 09:48:44 AM  

Tor_Eckman: More_Like_A_Stain: MindStalker: Cinaed: I think the 'papers' that crew thought were union papers were, far more likely of the licensing, certification, and insurance variety.

Simple misunderstanding thanks to a few simple people.

While the article is hard to understand it appears the local bureaucracy in Alabama misunderstood NJ and drew up papers stating their crews had to join a Union.

Though it is true crews sent to NJ and other similar states do have to be paid Union wages.

Honest question, are the out of state employers of the "traveling" crews reimbursed by the local utilities? Or do the remote utility companies absorb the additional costs as part of the mutual aid agreements mentioned in TFA? If they are reimbursed for the higher wages by the Northern utilities, what difference does it make? And if the local wage is what is to be paid to the actual worker, how to you get Northern crews to voluntarily take a pay cut while responding to Southern disasters?

The host company is responsible. And visiting crews get paid 24/7 at whatever rate they are at from the time they leave home until they return. Plus meals and housing of course. They work their asses off, but they can make a killing for a long restoration like this one.


Thanks for that. I guess the 24/7 thing makes even the no-union wages seem attractive when the shoe is on the other foot.
 
2012-11-05 09:49:42 AM  

hinten: So, what do you say to a FB friend that 'Likes' Paul Ryan?


Hulk Smash! Pfft, puny Congressman.
 
2012-11-05 10:00:27 AM  

Skleenar: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Frankly, at least if they were union you would know that they have the training and experience to not kill themselves or you. I can do a lot of residential/commercial stuff, but for insurance purposes you don't want me in your house doing anything. To put it more in terms that people on Fark can understand- what would happen if a PC user tried to work on an Apple computer?

No comment on the PC/Apple hypothetical, but I can say that one of the major manufacturers I sell products for is located in a right-to-work state, and is virulently conservative. They have had major quality control issues ever since I've been aware of them, much more so than many of the union-state manufacturers we've worked with.
They, to their credit, have found a niche with very little competition, and do a good job on the product development side. But every new shipment is a grab bag of poor manufacturing issues we need to correct once delivered.

The plural of anecdote is not data, I know, but this has always struck me as notable.


I once started a business with a conservative friend. What a terrible f*cking idea. My grandfather taught me how to run a business (using logic I still use today) by making sure you do everything reasonable to make sure the customer has no real problems, or fix them.

Conservative guy? Bottom line or else. I let myself be bought out after dealing with his shiat for two years, best heartburn relief I ever had. I didn't have to field calls from pi$$ed off people, and do twenty things to fix it, while being constantly questioned why I did them.

Yes the company went out of business, and yes he did blame the evil liberals.
 
2012-11-05 10:24:58 AM  
My conservative "Michael Berry is the word of the Lord" mother keeps bringing up a recording of "go home scabs"..
No mention of it in the Snopes article, so she has already blew off the article...
and no one here, so far, has mentioned the recording...
And of course, she heard it on AM radio, so IT MUST BE TRUE
Anything on that?
 
2012-11-05 10:39:26 AM  
I saw 4 trucks from Alabama yesterday in Toms River. They couldn't figure out how to make the Jersey left and nearly blocked off a major intersection.
 
2012-11-05 10:39:48 AM  
My co-worker the Staunch Conservative met me at break with this news, on how non union workers were turned away from NJ. I just smiled and said "I'd like to rebut that when you're done", then told him what I'd heard. He just smirked and said "what liberal source did you get that from?". Just sent him the Snopes link on it; I expect to hear "derp derp derp" any minute now.
 
2012-11-05 10:53:51 AM  
So, other than it being true that Alabama workers were given documents in NJ which "indicated his workers would have to sign to become union members and pay union dues", it's not true.
 
2012-11-05 10:56:01 AM  
So the unions initially turned them away but eventually the higher ups realized that this would be a black mark on unions, so they said it was just a "misunderstanding" and they called them back.

Seems like a non-issue. At least the unions caved in the end. This way they can at least pretend that they care about their customers.
 
2012-11-05 10:57:20 AM  

SpongeBathSquarePants: I saw 4 trucks from Alabama yesterday in Toms River. They couldn't figure out how to make the Jersey left and nearly blocked off a major intersection.


Being non-union doesn't always guarantee that they're intelligent.

The flip side though...
 
2012-11-05 10:59:19 AM  

Bendal: My co-worker the Staunch Conservative met me at break with this news, on how non union workers were turned away from NJ. I just smiled and said "I'd like to rebut that when you're done", then told him what I'd heard. He just smirked and said "what liberal source did you get that from?". Just sent him the Snopes link on it; I expect to hear "derp derp derp" any minute now.


And then everybody clapped as you slipped your Guy Fawkes mask over your face, put on your fedora, sheathed your iPad and climbed on top of your Segway to ride to the next cubicle where disinformation is being disseminated.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:37 AM  
Were they told by the people managing the disaster that they weren't welcome. Not likely I don't think.
Were they told by the rank and file union members. Yep (from a first hand account from a friend that went)

There is also the letter to Florida from the IBEW local 1049 pre disaster saying that there had to be contributions made to the union for every worker sent (this was later rescinded after a few days)

Link
 
2012-11-05 11:59:05 AM  
Last I saw the right had started attacking Snopes for having a liberal bent, so they will not be persuaded by this. It is easier to discredit all the referees and fact checkers and live in the cocoon of ignorance that you can find if you watch only Fox News and listen to only Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. You cannot reason with someone who has been convinced that the entire world is a liberal conspiracy. It is the reason for the polarization in our country. It is the reason my parents have been brainwashed.
 
2012-11-05 12:34:00 PM  
I knew this story was crap when I heard it because I heard it on Limbaughs show.
 
2012-11-05 12:46:00 PM  
Ever tried to select text from a Snope article? Like, so you could paste it into an argument?

Yeah, they do that. They're that asinine. That's why I never link to them.
 
2012-11-05 12:54:12 PM  

CujoQuarrel: from a first hand account from a friend that went


Chance of bullshiat: 75%

CujoQuarrel: Link


My bullshiat detector exploded when it saw the Daily Caller watermark. Nice try.
 
2012-11-05 03:15:23 PM  

Leeds: So the unions initially turned them away but eventually the higher ups realized that this would be a black mark on unions, so they said it was just a "misunderstanding" and they called them back.

Seems like a non-issue. At least the unions caved in the end. This way they can at least pretend that they care about their customers.


Trolling is never in good taste.
 
2012-11-05 06:19:45 PM  

mittromneysdog: When you send her a Snopes article, she has about the same reaction you would have if she sent you an article from World Net Daily. That's how screwed up they are.


Yeah, I realize that.
 
2012-11-05 07:32:16 PM  
I hadn't heard about Alabama, i heard the story told by callers on WFAN that they were from Texas
 
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