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(Naked Security)   Canada declared to be a riot zone. Also: Wearing of masks now to be illegal in Canada.... in riot zones   (nakedsecurity.sophos.com) divider line 94
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2012-11-05 12:35:38 PM
wanted for questioning
 
2012-11-05 12:36:43 PM
"...that can happen any day. Why would we need...."
 
2012-11-05 12:37:39 PM

Pivot: barefoot in the head: And the cops take will off the face shields and gas masks, right?

Oh yes, cops wearing gas masks and protective face shields are exactly the same as the douches that riot and pillage in cases like Montreal and Vancouver.


And the cops wear identifying badges. It's easy to feel and act like a bunch of offended virgins until you've actually witnessed a group of masked demonstrators turn a peaceful march into a riot by gratuitously breaking things and attacking cops under the protection of anonimity.
 
2012-11-05 12:38:41 PM
Putting on a mask for committing crimes was already an offense, now it'll just tell people that to be masked is to keep it peaceful or it's over.
 
2012-11-05 12:39:27 PM
I believe wearing a mask is illegal in several states in the US as well. In others I believe mask + protest is illegal. I don't think it's usually paid much attention to unless they wanted to anything to bust you on.
 
2012-11-05 12:39:28 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: MaliFinn: Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot

I'm more impressed by protesters who aren't so unsure of their beliefs that they have to hide their identity.

You mean like those anon authors of The Federalist Papers?


Yeah, anonymously authoring written appeals to ratify a constitution are exactly the same as wearing a mask in a society that allows peaceful demonstration in order to protect your identity when you decide to be a destructive asshole. TOTALLY, DUDE.

This kids have about as much in common with Alexander Hamilton et al. as a 12 year old playing Call of Duty has with a US Marine.
 
2012-11-05 12:39:39 PM
"Violators will be facing up to 10 years in prison if convicted of covering their face during a riot or other "unlawful assembly."

Holy shiat. 10 years!? I get that people wearing masks sometimes do worse things than other unmasked protesters, but ten years!? Damn. that is harsh. make it a $2,500 fine.
 
2012-11-05 12:40:33 PM

Franko: I will never be a politician because I find people insufferably stupid.

Right now the conservatives are dropping in the polls. Why?! They're doing EXACTLY what they promised to do during the election!

Who are the dip-wads who said to themselves: "You know, I like the Conservative Party's platform" and then turn around and say: "I really don't like the laws the Conservatives are passing".

You gave Harper a majority, now live with it.

Meanwhile, anyone know where I can pick-up a Guy Fawkes mask cheap?


Sure. Just send a check to Warner Bros. Studios. They'll send you a mask, and then invest the money so the most powerful media moguls in the world can eat brie on your dime.

Fight the power, dude.
 
2012-11-05 12:42:21 PM

Mokmo: Putting on a mask for committing crimes was already an offense, now it'll just tell people that to be masked is to keep it peaceful or it's over.


That's the point though...they only need the masks because they want to break stuff. It has nothing to do with fear of government reprisal for their beliefs, or whatever romantic bullsh*t they tell themselves.

I'm ALL FOR demonstration against many of the very things these kids profess to believe. The difference is, I actually believe and understand them, where as these kids just use them as an excuse to live out a juvenile fantasy.
 
2012-11-05 12:42:58 PM
This is the idiot law. "Wearing a mask while rioting makes it impossible to find the perps... So we'll make it illegal to wear a mask while rioting!"

If you follow it... You're an idiot!

At least the MP's can pat each other on the back and insist they're tough on crime!
 
2012-11-05 12:46:11 PM
What next? Is the fascist government going to make committing illegal acts illegal??? Fascists.
 
2012-11-05 12:47:11 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: As always, Anonymous supporters are likely to don masks with the image of their patron saint.

Hugo Weaving? Because none of these children knew who the f*ck Guy Fawkes was before they saw that movie.


I'm pretty sure that they still have no idea of who he was or what he stood for. Unless they really all want to overthrow democracy and replace it with a Catholic dictator.
 
2012-11-05 12:55:13 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I have one word: Facepaint.


Add sunglasses and a bandanna

/what mask?
 
2012-11-05 12:55:29 PM
Dem Cannedians are pretty funny eh, but I dunno aboot a riot.
 
2012-11-05 12:56:57 PM
As long as their protest remains peaceful they can wear the masks. I don't see any issue with that.
 
2012-11-05 12:58:54 PM
*sigh*

Canada, we gotta talk.

This thing where you all freak out and riot n' shiat... that's America's job. We're better equipped for it and have more of that "killer instinct". We know there's no hockey, but you gotta hang tough. 

Sincerely,
'Mericuh.
 
2012-11-05 01:02:14 PM
Good to see a Guy Fawkes article on November 5. Bad to find out the Stylized Mask is owned by TimeWarner™. Strange that Guy Fawkes is no longer the Papist Terrorist that shamed all Catholics where ever the union jack flies prompting the name change for Bonfire Night (not to be confused with Texas A&M Darwin Night). Sad that very few places in the US like to burn figures in effigy and have fireworks on a crisp (85°F) night.  Good that at least a few countries old enough have a celebration of a terrorist act that didn't accomplish its purpose.
 
2012-11-05 01:14:04 PM
What a bunch of whining bullshiat over nothing.
 
2012-11-05 01:16:43 PM
Hmmm. I am wondering about the actual wording of the bill. Would that mean that the cops will not be able to wear gas masks either?
 
2012-11-05 01:18:59 PM
Not surprised that riots have rules in Canada. I would be surprised if the rioters followed them. Maybe not.
 
2012-11-05 01:23:21 PM

starsrift: This is the idiot law. "Wearing a mask while rioting makes it impossible to find the perps... So we'll make it illegal to wear a mask while rioting!"

If you follow it... You're an idiot!

At least the MP's can pat each other on the back and insist they're tough on crime!


It makes sense. The problem previously was that it was usually impossible to prosecute the vandals because you couldn't identify them because they were wearing masks. Now that the wearing of the masks is itself a crime, the identification problem is solved.

There's definitely a downside, in that riots aren't orderly (duh), so you could be 2 streets over in what you think is a peaceful protest with a mask, only to find that you're involved in a riot, and get arrested. Not to mention how exactly they will establish the burden of proof on "wearing a mask". Or what constitutes a mask (if I'm protesting in winter - and I'd have to be nuts to do that in Canada - and I have my scarf up, am I going to get arrested?). I'd like to think that it won't get abused, but I'm not terribly optimistic on that point.
 
2012-11-05 01:25:18 PM
I wonder if any crafty person has figured out how to knit or crochet a Guy Fawkes mask?
Then just tell the cops that it is cold outside.
 
2012-11-05 01:25:38 PM
The Black bloc are the assholes responsible for rioting more or less.
 
2012-11-05 01:28:54 PM
Will the faces of law enforcement officers be free from masks? Will their badge number be clearly visible?
 
2012-11-05 01:41:23 PM

capt.hollister: Pivot: barefoot in the head: And the cops take will off the face shields and gas masks, right?

Oh yes, cops wearing gas masks and protective face shields are exactly the same as the douches that riot and pillage in cases like Montreal and Vancouver.

And the cops wear

REMOVE identifying badges. It's easy to feel and act like a bunch of offended virgins until you've actually witnessed a group of masked demonstrators turn a peaceful march into a riot by gratuitously breaking things and attacking cops under the protection of anonimity.

Who you trying to kid?
 
2012-11-05 01:43:04 PM
YOU PEOPLE SUCK at Fark.com
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/really? A Canada Riot thread and NO one has posted this yet/?!?!
 
2012-11-05 01:53:34 PM
So protesting or going to sporting events during winter months will get you 10 years?

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2012-11-05 01:56:00 PM
I doubt a rioter gives two flying, brightly-coloured farks if masks are banned, because well, riots aren't legal. It is called a riot not a hippie love-in. 

/Those aren't legal either.
//Cept if you have a permit.
 
2012-11-05 01:57:15 PM
www.thewhelming.com

"GO VANCOUVERU CANUCK!!!
 
2012-11-05 02:25:47 PM
what about burkas at riots?? surely they're ok.. and those pointy daggers that the sikhs (?) carry?

some great Canadian mask wearers.

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2012-11-05 02:29:13 PM

give me doughnuts: I wonder if any crafty person has figured out how to knit or crochet a Guy Fawkes mask?
Then just tell the cops that it is cold outside.


I don't know; I'm thinking that face paint might work better. It shouldn't be too tough to keep to the spirit of the V mask. With the help of the sort of 3-D perspective artist that surely must exist among the Anonymoi, it should even be possible to design some patterns that distort visual perspective, making it harder to identify a person from a glance or even a photograph.

Yes, the banning of masks is stupid, but it is not hard to adapt to, and adapting probably frustrates these sorts of people more than protests do. Adapting to externalities often yields better results than trying to control them directly.
 
2012-11-05 02:30:06 PM

DeathCipris: I doubt a rioter gives two flying, brightly-coloured farks if masks are banned, because well, riots aren't legal. It is called a riot not a hippie love-in. 

/Those aren't legal either.
//Cept if you have a permit.


Yeah, that's the thing covering their face during a riot or other "unlawful assembly." I've got no problem with the moron breaking store windows being brought up on charges, it just makes reasonable people really nervous when you combine things like this with (at least in the US), a seemingly growing definition of what sort of assembly is "unlawful."
 
2012-11-05 02:34:02 PM

Millennium: I don't know; I'm thinking that face paint might work better. It shouldn't be too tough to keep to the spirit of the V mask. With the help of the sort of 3-D perspective artist that surely must exist among the Anonymoi, it should even be possible to design some patterns that distort visual perspective, making it harder to identify a person from a glance or even a photograph.


Certain patterns are effective with automated detection. Not sure if you'd find one that worked just as well with a human viewer. Some sort of optical illusion perhaps? Then again the law said "or other disguise," so you're not skirting it that way.

/Link
 
2012-11-05 02:34:08 PM

MaliFinn: [i208.photobucket.com image 403x403]
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot


Apparently the morans in the picture have forgotten.
 
2012-11-05 02:57:42 PM

Bhruic: starsrift: This is the idiot law. "Wearing a mask while rioting makes it impossible to find the perps... So we'll make it illegal to wear a mask while rioting!"

If you follow it... You're an idiot!

At least the MP's can pat each other on the back and insist they're tough on crime!

It makes sense. The problem previously was that it was usually impossible to prosecute the vandals because you couldn't identify them because they were wearing masks. Now that the wearing of the masks is itself a crime, the identification problem is solved...


I hate US election season on Fark; I never know when somebody's actually sarcastic, honestly ignorant, or sadly trolling.
 
2012-11-05 03:24:14 PM

starsrift: Bhruic: starsrift: This is the idiot law. "Wearing a mask while rioting makes it impossible to find the perps... So we'll make it illegal to wear a mask while rioting!"

If you follow it... You're an idiot!

At least the MP's can pat each other on the back and insist they're tough on crime!

It makes sense. The problem previously was that it was usually impossible to prosecute the vandals because you couldn't identify them because they were wearing masks. Now that the wearing of the masks is itself a crime, the identification problem is solved...

I hate US election season on Fark; I never know when somebody's actually sarcastic, honestly ignorant, or sadly trolling.


There is a distinct difference in a protest involving people effected by the issue, and a protest filled with traveling career protestors who protest for the sake of protest - come armed with collapsible pickets (or no pickets) and gas masks/face masks. It elevates the protest from being about the issue, to being a threat of action, which attracts the 'anarchists' who are there solely for the action and will undermine the original effort in the name of destruction.

A proper protest won't require the use of gas masks/face masks.
 
2012-11-05 03:40:23 PM
My country is turning into your country and I don't like it.

Another step toward the fascist police state supported by Steve & his cadre of neo-con yes-folk.
 
2012-11-05 03:40:48 PM
DeathByGeekSquad:

OK, that one I'm gonna judge as "honestly ignorant". If you RTFA, the masks are only illegal if the protest turns violent. A mask in itself is not an offense. A violent protestor can ONLY break this law if they are ALSO breaking the law that makes this law enforceable. THIS law tries to punish someone for making it impossible to arrest him...
So since it's ACTUALLY impossible to find the perp since he was wearing a mask, this law has zero teeth (unless someone who is unmasked and knows the perp squeals).
 
2012-11-05 07:48:50 PM
What a dumb farking law. It makes wearing the mask illegal if the protest turns violent. Does that mean you are breaking the law if you are peaceful while others are violent? This makes about as much sense as an asshole on my elbow.
 
2012-11-05 08:31:44 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I have one word: Facepaint.


Paint with that stuff they put on license plates.
 
2012-11-05 08:42:59 PM

Shadyman: Odd, as the Canadian Criminal Code already states that anyone wearing a mask to commit a crime is already eligible for More Trouble (tm). So... LOLWUT?


They needed a law to cover their asses when they get around to banning the burka. The women won't be able to protest because they'd have to take off their face coverings to do so.
 
2012-11-05 08:45:05 PM

MBA Whore: What a dumb farking law. It makes wearing the mask illegal if the protest turns violent. Does that mean you are breaking the law if you are peaceful while others are violent? This makes about as much sense as an asshole on my elbow.


Well, on long road trips you could just hang it out the window while driving, so there's that.
 
2012-11-05 09:52:45 PM
Yeah, standing on streets yelling at police is pretty useless.

Someday someone with nothing to lose will have a sniper rifle, an inflatable raft, and a list of where the C-level execs spend their time in the Hamptons. Then shiat will get real.

No, Mr. Agent, it won't be me. I'm just gonna sit here and keep flapping my fingers on the internet.
 
2012-11-06 12:45:37 AM

barefoot in the head: capt.hollister: Pivot: barefoot in the head: And the cops take will off the face shields and gas masks, right?

Oh yes, cops wearing gas masks and protective face shields are exactly the same as the douches that riot and pillage in cases like Montreal and Vancouver.

And the cops wear REMOVE identifying badges. It's easy to feel and act like a bunch of offended virgins until you've actually witnessed a group of masked demonstrators turn a peaceful march into a riot by gratuitously breaking things and attacking cops under the protection of anonimity.

Who you trying to kid?


And who are you trying to demonize ? I don't know about where you live, but where I live, it's certainly not the rule that cops remove their badges. Just ask constable 728
 
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