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2012-11-05 01:33:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: Strategeryz0r: So when does the show fulfill the comic's rape quota?

This season is certainly living up to the zombie murder and survivor hardship expectations. The rape quota has yet to be filled unfortunately.

You said 'rape' twice.


He likes rape.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:18 PM  

DownTheRabbitHole: NOTHING is like the comic anymore !!! I'm trying to find the similarities and I'm struggling


In a very loose way, they're following the main thrust of the comic, which is that the story is about Rick and Carl. Everyone else is expendable. The details may vary, but I would imagine that every character, aside from those two, will be die or move on somewhere along the line.
 
2012-11-05 01:35:52 PM  
Carl is the one who took down Zombie Shane without any qualms. He showed no trauma, and basically seemed to think putting down Shen was both merciful and necessary. I don't think Carl failed to put down his mom.
 
2012-11-05 01:38:28 PM  

Strategeryz0r: NeoCortex42: Strategeryz0r: So when does the show fulfill the comic's rape quota?

This season is certainly living up to the zombie murder and survivor hardship expectations. The rape quota has yet to be filled unfortunately.

You said 'rape' twice.

And with your mention, that makes 3 in one post(counting the quote)

Rapefecta achieved.


Quadrarape!
 
2012-11-05 01:39:56 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: DownTheRabbitHole: NOTHING is like the comic anymore !!! I'm trying to find the similarities and I'm struggling

In a very loose way, they're following the main thrust of the comic, which is that the story is about Rick and Carl. Everyone else is expendable. The details may vary, but I would imagine that every character, aside from those two, will be die or move on somewhere along the line.


No way, dude, those two prison guys are gonna be there till the finale--ESPECIALLY 2-Dog.*
 
2012-11-05 01:50:21 PM  

snowshovel: While I agree that the Governor killing the guardsmen is based on his ability to maintain control (and free weapons...YAY!), it seems sort of scary that he puts that much trust in his minions that they wouldn't spill the beans, even accidentally. Taking out a couple of nearly dead helicopters pilots is one thing...but a group of healthy men at ease is another.


I would imagine that his minions have proved themselves plenty of times, which is why he trusts them. Anyone that's been trusted, and found to violate the trust, has already been killed.
 
2012-11-05 01:51:36 PM  
Projecting way ahead....at this rate Season 4 is just going to be Rick and Carl all alone in the prison.
 
2012-11-05 01:53:48 PM  

FinFangFark: kumanoki: inelukii: Carol escaped as a result of T-Dog's sacrifice. She will end up coming across Lori and saving her life. There's a reason they showed Carol practicing on dead bodies. There's a reason T-Dog talked about how his death was going to be worth something. Carl didn't shoot Lori, he just fired a shot in frustration, anger, sadness, whatever.

We're not done with Lori yet. I'm ok with that, because I'm very much looking forward to the original plan for her character.

That would be a little far-fetched, but based on what we've seen so far, it's entirely plausible.

I was thinking along those lines too. If you watch the promo for the next show, everyone is trying to talk Rick from going in somewhere...My thoughts are Carl didn't shoot her, confesses to not doing it, and Rick wants to go in after her. He does, and finds that Carol saved Lori somehow, but with hemorrhaging so much blood, I guess the idea will be she goes into a coma, and that's where Woodbury's nurse and running into Andrea and Michonne come in to play.


No way she lives. Surgery in an extremely unsterile environment. No closing the incision. No anesthesia. She would require massive antibiotics and life support. They almost lost Herschell and he had a "simple" amputation.
 
2012-11-05 02:02:17 PM  

kumanoki: Projecting way ahead....at this rate Season 4 is just going to be Rick and Carl all alone in the prison.


Are you sure Carl will be in the prison? I've heard he's hard to keep track of.
 
2012-11-05 02:03:14 PM  

Doogled: kumanoki: Projecting way ahead....at this rate Season 4 is just going to be Rick and Carl all alone in the prison.

Are you sure Carl will be in the prison? I've heard he's hard to keep track of.


Carl is a badass now. By season 4 he will know magic and control the zombies.
 
2012-11-05 02:06:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

Not play Rick and Shane against each other. She tried to get Rick to kill Shane, then biatched when Rick killed Shane.


Is that what she biatched about, though? I get that she at first tried to defend Shane, then pretty quickly started pushing Rick to kill him. But after that happened, it seemed like her main issue with Rick was that he didn't tell her that they all carry the virus and they'll all eventually be walkers. Which seems like a pretty big thing to withhold when he was simultaneously trying to convince her to have a baby while they're on the run in a post-zombie apocalypse. Major breach of trust in a marriage, I would think. I assume that other stuff went down between them from the time they left the farm to the time they arrived at the prison, but we didn't see it.
 
2012-11-05 02:10:47 PM  

someonelse: NeoCortex42: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

Not play Rick and Shane against each other. She tried to get Rick to kill Shane, then biatched when Rick killed Shane.

Is that what she biatched about, though? I get that she at first tried to defend Shane, then pretty quickly started pushing Rick to kill him. But after that happened, it seemed like her main issue with Rick was that he didn't tell her that they all carry the virus and they'll all eventually be walkers. Which seems like a pretty big thing to withhold when he was simultaneously trying to convince her to have a baby while they're on the run in a post-zombie apocalypse. Major breach of trust in a marriage, I would think. I assume that other stuff went down between them from the time they left the farm to the time they arrived at the prison, but we didn't see it.


He didn't tell anyone until the very last minutes of season 2. She gave him the death stare after he told her that he killed Shane. She pushed Rick into confronting Shane and pushed Shane into confronting Rick. She was being manipulative and needed to go, one way or another.

It seems like she may have realized her big fark up this season seeing as she was trying to reconcile with Rick.
 
2012-11-05 02:13:49 PM  

someonelse: realityVSperception: Lori had already had a caeserean section due to complications with Carl. She started bleeding heavily with her first few contractions. She said "I know what that means", since she probably had the same thing happen with Carl.

Which makes her decision to carry the pregnancy to term even more spectacularly foolish. Even if she had survived, how were they planning to immunize the baby so it doesn't die of measles or some other diseases that everyone else was immunized against before society collapsed?


She could have had a decent chance if she had a planned c-section under controlled conditions before labor contractions started.

If they were still at the farm, and Herschal was well equipped, they might have pulled it off. And that's where they were when she decided to keep the baby.

I think they could have made Lori's death even more dramatic. First, Herschal should have blood typed and cross matched everyone's blood type by now for just such emergencies. Second, they could have spelled out just how dangerous a natural child birth would be for Lori. Then suppose only Carl is a blood match for Lori. So as a set up in last week's episode we see Carl donating blood to build up a reserve for the upcoming c-section. (with a side plot on how they hook up a small solar panel/battery cooler to preserve it) The adults all tell Carl how he's going to save his Mom and his sister's lives by giviing his blood. Then Herschal gets hurt, zombie attack, etc. and only now Carl has to kill mom after being told how he was going to save her.

The thing about the diseases you mentioned is that you have to catch them from someone else. There just aren't that many other people for them to interact with to catch them from, so it's not that big an issue. However, gangrene and infections like tetanus, where the spores are all around will reemerge as killers without modern medicine and vaccines. You will also see problems from parasites like round and tape worms originating from contaminated game, and blood parasites like west nile and malaria will also become problems.

/What happenns to mosquitos that suck on zombies?
 
2012-11-05 02:20:06 PM  
The close up of Carl's face told you he offed his mom. It's all you needed to see to know he has chosen to give up his childhood and become a badass.

Call it his Zombie Bar Mitzvah.
 
2012-11-05 02:33:39 PM  

realityVSperception: The thing about the diseases you mentioned is that you have to catch them from someone else. There just aren't that many other people for them to interact with to catch them from, so it's not that big an issue. However, gangrene and infections like tetanus, where the spores are all around will reemerge as killers without modern medicine and vaccines. You will also see problems from parasites like round and tape worms originating from contaminated game, and blood parasites like west nile and malaria will also become problems.


True. Polio is still floating around, though, isn't it? Can't you contract that from contact with water? But yeah, stuff like tetanus and parasites would be the real problem, especially given their filthy living conditions.

I had forgotten that they were on the farm when Lori decided to keep the baby. But to think that they could stay there long term (even just long enough for her to give birth) seems like an extremely risky assumption on their part. It's not like they couldn't have waited until they really found someplace secure to live longterm, then tried again, if they wanted to repopulate the planet. Lori's not that old.
 
2012-11-05 02:35:52 PM  

T.M.S.: The close up of Carl's face told you he offed his mom.


I agree. I'll be disappointed if they were being deliberately vague in order to bring her back. That would be lazy, noncommittal writing.
 
2012-11-05 02:38:38 PM  

someonelse: T.M.S.: The close up of Carl's face told you he offed his mom.

I agree. I'll be disappointed if they were being deliberately vague in order to bring her back. That would be lazy, noncommittal writing.


This.
 
2012-11-05 02:40:11 PM  

MoronLessOff: someonelse: NeoCortex42: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

Not play Rick and Shane against each other. She tried to get Rick to kill Shane, then biatched when Rick killed Shane.

Is that what she biatched about, though? I get that she at first tried to defend Shane, then pretty quickly started pushing Rick to kill him. But after that happened, it seemed like her main issue with Rick was that he didn't tell her that they all carry the virus and they'll all eventually be walkers. Which seems like a pretty big thing to withhold when he was simultaneously trying to convince her to have a baby while they're on the run in a post-zombie apocalypse. Major breach of trust in a marriage, I would think. I assume that other stuff went down between them from the time they left the farm to the time they arrived at the prison, but we didn't see it.

He didn't tell anyone until the very last minutes of season 2. She gave him the death stare after he told her that he killed Shane. She pushed Rick into confronting Shane and pushed Shane into confronting Rick. She was being manipulative and needed to go, one way or another.

It seems like she may have realized her big fark up this season seeing as she was trying to reconcile with Rick.


I watched the pilot again yesterday, and Rick and Lori were already having serious marital problems even before the walkers. She told Rick (in front of Carl) that she didn't think he really even cared shot them anymore. So, I think they had a lot of problems already, which is why Lori so quickly jumped into Shane's bed (and that being said, when Shane kissed Lori in the tent in the pilot, it looked much less like she was in love with him and more like she was making a survivalist decision to shack up with the alpha male).
 
2012-11-05 02:45:53 PM  

realityVSperception: someonelse: realityVSperception: Lori had already had a caeserean section due to complications with Carl. She started bleeding heavily with her first few contractions. She said "I know what that means", since she probably had the same thing happen with Carl.

Which makes her decision to carry the pregnancy to term even more spectacularly foolish. Even if she had survived, how were they planning to immunize the baby so it doesn't die of measles or some other diseases that everyone else was immunized against before society collapsed?

She could have had a decent chance if she had a planned c-section under controlled conditions before labor contractions started.

If they were still at the farm, and Herschal was well equipped, they might have pulled it off. And that's where they were when she decided to keep the baby.

I think they could have made Lori's death even more dramatic. First, Herschal should have blood typed and cross matched everyone's blood type by now for just such emergencies. Second, they could have spelled out just how dangerous a natural child birth would be for Lori. Then suppose only Carl is a blood match for Lori. So as a set up in last week's episode we see Carl donating blood to build up a reserve for the upcoming c-section. (with a side plot on how they hook up a small solar panel/battery cooler to preserve it) The adults all tell Carl how he's going to save his Mom and his sister's lives by giviing his blood. Then Herschal gets hurt, zombie attack, etc. and only now Carl has to kill mom after being told how he was going to save her.

The thing about the diseases you mentioned is that you have to catch them from someone else. There just aren't that many other people for them to interact with to catch them from, so it's not that big an issue. However, gangrene and infections like tetanus, where the spores are all around will reemerge as killers without modern medicine and vaccines. You will also see problems from parasites like round and tape wor ...


They starve, unable to drink congealed blood.
 
2012-11-05 03:09:52 PM  

unyon: People complained about helpless Carl last year incessantly, and I said 'Just Wait'.

The same holds true for Michonne. The reason that she's subdued is because she doesn't have her katana. That's likely to change soon. I'm quite confident that we'll see full-on Michonne badassery.


Considering up until this point in the comics, the lion's share of Michonne's character development was giving blowjobs and getting raped nonstop, it's not entirely fair to call out AMC for not yet doing much with her.

And, a word about her katana, she gets it back next episode. There was a bit in the Talking Dead preview.
 
2012-11-05 03:10:20 PM  
minor quibble:

the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.
 
2012-11-05 03:13:26 PM  

inelukii: Carol escaped as a result of T-Dog's sacrifice. She will end up coming across Lori and saving her life. There's a reason they showed Carol practicing on dead bodies. There's a reason T-Dog talked about how his death was going to be worth something. Carl didn't shoot Lori, he just fired a shot in frustration, anger, sadness, whatever.

We're not done with Lori yet. I'm ok with that, because I'm very much looking forward to the original plan for her character.


Damn. Most interesting post here. Not sure if it'll pan out or not, based on what I read in the comics, but nevertheless enlightening. Thanks!
 
2012-11-05 03:18:17 PM  

Celerian: Strategeryz0r: NeoCortex42: Strategeryz0r: So when does the show fulfill the comic's rape quota?

This season is certainly living up to the zombie murder and survivor hardship expectations. The rape quota has yet to be filled unfortunately.

You said 'rape' twice.

And with your mention, that makes 3 in one post(counting the quote)

Rapefecta achieved.

Quadrarape!


I am just thinking how AMC is going to "show" the continuous rape of Michonne. I know they have leeway being on cable but a month-long rape? That would be the rest of this half season and part of the spring season. Christ we complained about Sophia in the forest what are we going to be like with Michonne getting raped for the rest of the season
 
2012-11-05 03:20:24 PM  

someonelse: realityVSperception: The thing about the diseases you mentioned is that you have to catch them from someone else. There just aren't that many other people for them to interact with to catch them from, so it's not that big an issue. However, gangrene and infections like tetanus, where the spores are all around will reemerge as killers without modern medicine and vaccines. You will also see problems from parasites like round and tape worms originating from contaminated game, and blood parasites like west nile and malaria will also become problems.

True. Polio is still floating around, though, isn't it? Can't you contract that from contact with water? But yeah, stuff like tetanus and parasites would be the real problem, especially given their filthy living conditions.

I had forgotten that they were on the farm when Lori decided to keep the baby. But to think that they could stay there long term (even just long enough for her to give birth) seems like an extremely risky assumption on their part. It's not like they couldn't have waited until they really found someplace secure to live longterm, then tried again, if they wanted to repopulate the planet. Lori's not that old.


Except that there's a good chance it is Shane's baby. From a pure genetic point of view, Lori would want to have children with multiple men, so that her genes have a better chance of being passed on. You're right, she could have waited, but once Rick was back, she would have had to have his children, not Shane's, and she already has Carl with Rick.

You've got pre zombie social values in direct conflict with a 100,000 years of human tribal evolution.


One in five American mothers have children with different dads

One in five mothers in America have children with different fathers, a new study shows.
Researchers found that the trend was higher in minority groups and mothers with low income and education backgrounds.
The data was taken over a 27-year period from nearly 4,000 U.S. women who had been interviewed more than 20 times.
The study's author Cassandra Dorius said of the one in five figure: 'To put it in perspective, this is similar to the number of American adults with a college degree. It's pervasive.'


Link
 
2012-11-05 03:24:20 PM  

calbert: minor quibble:

the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.


the human body is designed to still burn for sex (and sometimes even MORE so) during times of stress. it is totally believable that Glenn is still going to bang Maggie every damn chance he gets.

Hell, in the comics, it was pretty much spelled out that Andrea and Amy were BOTH banging ol Dale. At this point in the comics Rick is banging Andrea every chance he gets. So yeah... it's ok. Sex gonna happen.
 
2012-11-05 03:27:21 PM  

calbert: i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.


An interesting point, but I disagree with you. Part of the dichotomy is finding ways to retain humanness and civilization, in a world that is relentlessly dehumanizing (see: Rick). While it wouldn't surprise me that it has an impact on their sex life, Maggie's insecurities about being pregnant aren't nearly as sex killing as the fact that she is now the defacto mother to young Julia (presuming she's named the same in the TV show). We also know that they picked up condoms while at the farm.

It felt valid to me, and was important in demonstrating where Glenn and Maggie's relationship is going. These sorts of new relationship dynamics after the tragic deaths of loved ones are a fairly constant point of drama in the comic book, and it looks like the TV show is carrying that theme on nicely.
 
2012-11-05 03:27:54 PM  
You'd think if Andrea returns to the group unscathed, the group would start doing the old Costanza maneuver with her, in that come the next precarious, morally ambiguous situation, Rick or somebody else will ask Andrea what she thinks they should do, and they then do the exact opposite of what she says.
 
2012-11-05 03:28:25 PM  

calbert: minor quibble:

the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.


get laid much?
 
2012-11-05 03:30:43 PM  

eagles95: Celerian: Strategeryz0r: NeoCortex42: Strategeryz0r: So when does the show fulfill the comic's rape quota?

This season is certainly living up to the zombie murder and survivor hardship expectations. The rape quota has yet to be filled unfortunately.

You said 'rape' twice.

And with your mention, that makes 3 in one post(counting the quote)

Rapefecta achieved.

Quadrarape!

I am just thinking how AMC is going to "show" the continuous rape of Michonne. I know they have leeway being on cable but a month-long rape? That would be the rest of this half season and part of the spring season. Christ we complained about Sophia in the forest what are we going to be like with Michonne getting raped for the rest of the season


it isn't going to happen that way in the show, betcha. the entire dynamic is different on how michonne came to be at woodbury in the show. no reason for things to go farking nutso like that. but i suppose we will see what happens. I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.
 
2012-11-05 03:33:46 PM  

calbert: minor quibble:

the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.


It might take 50 years for things to settle. By then all the Maggies of the world will be old and barren. Nope, gotta keep doing it even while living in zombie penitentiary, or else the human race goes extinct.
 
2012-11-05 03:36:03 PM  

calbert: minor quibble:

the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

i wonder if Maggie's sexual desire will be extinguished now that she's seen what happened to Lori?

and I know that people are people and have urges, but c'mon. not until things are settled.

it also just seemed rather silly that scene with Glen and Maggie in the guard tower, that seemed like it was done more for the enjoyment of the crew and it really felt out of place at that time and in their current situation.


Maybe they're restricting themselves to anal and oral. This isn't a porno; there's no penetration close up.
 
2012-11-05 03:39:33 PM  

frepnog: I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.


Awesome theory. I'd like to see this.
 
2012-11-05 03:40:59 PM  

frepnog:
it isn't going to happen that way in the show, betcha. the entire dynamic is different on how michonne came to be at woodbury in the show. no reason for things to go farking nutso like that. but i suppose we will see what happens. I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.


I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I see a lot of potential for the Governor to 'snap' and do what he did to Michonne in the comic. To be honest, he has motive now- she is nosy and has his number, he's going to f*ck some respect into her. I imagine a lot of shadowed shots, suggestive down the hall sounds, over-the-shoulder camera angles and lots...lots of close-ups of Michonne scowling. But I don't think they're going to shy away from it. Plus it gives her a reason to go vigilante ruthless, which is what the fans are drooling for anyway.
 
2012-11-05 03:42:21 PM  

doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?


How about not farking around until you have eithe a. Birth control or b. a safe place to deliver.

Had this been a pre history tribe they would have exiled her ass for endangering the group.
 
2012-11-05 03:43:09 PM  

eagles95: Celerian: Strategeryz0r: NeoCortex42: Strategeryz0r: So when does the show fulfill the comic's rape quota?

This season is certainly living up to the zombie murder and survivor hardship expectations. The rape quota has yet to be filled unfortunately.

You said 'rape' twice.

And with your mention, that makes 3 in one post(counting the quote)

Rapefecta achieved.

Quadrarape!

I am just thinking how AMC is going to "show" the continuous rape of Michonne. I know they have leeway being on cable but a month-long rape? That would be the rest of this half season and part of the spring season. Christ we complained about Sophia in the forest what are we going to be like with Michonne getting raped for the rest of the season


Since this is fark, I'll just go ahead and answer this:

*fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap*
 
2012-11-05 03:46:39 PM  

Magruda: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

How about not farking around until you have eithe a. Birth control or b. a safe place to deliver.

Had this been a pre history tribe they would have exiled her ass for endangering the group.


Yes, it's always the woman's fault for not keeping her legs closed rather than the man's fault for not keeping his dick in his pants. Sexist, much?
 
2012-11-05 03:47:39 PM  

MoronLessOff: frepnog: I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.

Awesome theory. I'd like to see this.


I have the feeling we're going to see Andrea and Michonne have a fundamental disagreement, and Andrea isn't going to realize it until Michonne is missing and the Gov doesn't own up to or lies about where she went. Merle returns the favor of telling him where Daryl may be by hinting that the Gov has Michonne in bondage. She employs help to break her out, but Merle has to decide if he wants to stay or go.
 
2012-11-05 03:52:00 PM  

kumanoki: MoronLessOff: frepnog: I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.

Awesome theory. I'd like to see this.

I have the feeling we're going to see Andrea and Michonne have a fundamental disagreement, and Andrea isn't going to realize it until Michonne is missing and the Gov doesn't own up to or lies about where she went. Merle returns the favor of telling him where Daryl may be by hinting that the Gov has Michonne in bondage. She employs help to break her out, but Merle has to decide if he wants to stay or go.


The Governor clearly depends on the absolute loyalty of his soldiers to keep power. I think his refusal to allow Merle to search for his brother is going to play a large role in determining Merle's actions; alternatively, Merle is likely to have to choose one versus the other.

/GODDAMNIT, DON'T JUST SCOWL AT HER, TELL HER THE GOVERNOR KILLED THE GUARDSMEN!!!
 
2012-11-05 03:59:48 PM  

calbert: the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.


I would hope they are. I understand the Strangelovian urge to repopulate the planet and all, but damn. It's only been a matter of months since this all started. No woman in her right mind would actually be going out of her way to get pregnant yet.

I do think the scene with Glen and Maggie in the tower was meant to be a little comic interlude before the unimaginable horror that followed. But ... were they supposed to be watching the grounds while they were up there, or did they go up there just to be alone?
 
2012-11-05 04:02:33 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Magruda: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

How about not farking around until you have eithe a. Birth control or b. a safe place to deliver.

Had this been a pre history tribe they would have exiled her ass for endangering the group.

Yes, it's always the woman's fault for not keeping her legs closed rather than the man's fault for not keeping his dick in his pants. Sexist, much?


Note the caveat "pre history". Please tell me I don't have to give you a history leason on male/female sociology.

/hint, it doesn't work out in the woman's favor.
 
2012-11-05 04:02:47 PM  

born_yesterday: /GODDAMNIT, DON'T JUST SCOWL AT HER, TELL HER THE GOVERNOR KILLED THE GUARDSMEN!!!


Maybe the show is going the "don't communicate any information that could actually be helpful" route. AKA "every episode of Lost."
 
2012-11-05 04:02:47 PM  

kumanoki: MoronLessOff: frepnog: I figure Merle (who i think they will redeem), Andrea and Michonne will end up teaming up to get the hell out of Woodbury. Merle may even turn out to be as mostly decent as Daryl has turned out to be.... if they don't just kill him.

Awesome theory. I'd like to see this.

I have the feeling we're going to see Andrea and Michonne have a fundamental disagreement, and Andrea isn't going to realize it until Michonne is missing and the Gov doesn't own up to or lies about where she went. Merle returns the favor of telling him where Daryl may be by hinting that the Gov has Michonne in bondage. She employs help to break her out, but Merle has to decide if he wants to stay or go.


the problem with this is this - at this point in the comics, we knew michonne. we cared about her, and what the gov wa doing to her HURT. we don't care about michonne at this point in the show. she is quiet, pissed, and "just wants to go to the coast". so who gives a crap if she disappears? i don't think that is anything like what will likely happen. i figure things will get dangerous for her and andrea and with Merle being forced somehow to stay the 3 will become unlikely friends trying to escape together. I mean who the fark knows but we will see, right? can't wait.
 
2012-11-05 04:10:21 PM  

someonelse: born_yesterday: /GODDAMNIT, DON'T JUST SCOWL AT HER, TELL HER THE GOVERNOR KILLED THE GUARDSMEN!!!

Maybe the show is going the "don't communicate any information that could actually be helpful" route. AKA "every episode of Lost."


I figured it was just so blatantly obvious you would have to be kind of stupid not to figure it out and Michonne is thinking the same thing.

/I'm looking at you Andrea
 
2012-11-05 04:13:00 PM  

Magruda: Mike Chewbacca: Magruda: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

How about not farking around until you have eithe a. Birth control or b. a safe place to deliver.

Had this been a pre history tribe they would have exiled her ass for endangering the group.

Yes, it's always the woman's fault for not keeping her legs closed rather than the man's fault for not keeping his dick in his pants. Sexist, much?

Note the caveat "pre history". Please tell me I don't have to give you a history leason on male/female sociology.

/hint, it doesn't work out in the woman's favor.


Sorry pal, you said Lori should have abstained unless she had access to birth control or a safe place to deliver. The subject of your statement was Lori, not Shane. It's not Shane's fault he farked his not-so-dead best friend's wife is basically what you implied. Meanwhile, Lori thinks Rick is dead (based on Shane's statements) and understandably attaches herself to the new group leader. So yeah, misogynist much?
 
2012-11-05 04:14:56 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Magruda: doctor wu: Don't get why so many hate on Lori. It's a zombie apocolypse!! As far as she knew her man was dead, so she got with the guy she thought could protect her and her son. What the hell else should she have done?

How about not farking around until you have eithe a. Birth control or b. a safe place to deliver.

Had this been a pre history tribe they would have exiled her ass for endangering the group.

Yes, it's always the woman's fault for not keeping her legs closed rather than the man's fault for not keeping his dick in his pants. Sexist, much?


Well what's-his-face is already dead. He's a douche, too, but he's been out of the picture for a while.
 
2012-11-05 04:15:45 PM  

frepnog:
the problem with this is this - at this point in the comics, we knew michonne. we cared about her, and what the gov wa doing to her HURT. we don't care about michonne at this point in the show. she is quiet, pissed, and "just wants to go to the coast". so who gives a crap if she disappears? i don't think that is anything like what will likely happen. i figure things will get dangerous for her and andrea and with Merle being forced somehow to stay the 3 will become unlikely friends trying to escape together. I mean who the fark knows but we will see, right? can't wait.


I agree that readers were invested in her at that point, no doubt. I mean, show Michonne isn't even talking to herself (yet). but I disagree that show-watchers aren't invested. At the very least she's a new character that is slightly interesting because she can handler herself. At the most, it's people like you and me who are steeped in comic backstory. I think the average viewer falls somewhere in-between. If Michonne gets...uh, detained....then that's plot development that people want. it's character interaction, and frankly it'll be awesome to see her respond.
 
2012-11-05 04:23:24 PM  

born_yesterday: The Governor clearly depends on the absolute loyalty of his soldiers to keep power. I think his refusal to allow Merle to search for his brother is going to play a large role in determining Merle's actions; alternatively, Merle is likely to have to choose one versus the other.

/GODDAMNIT, DON'T JUST SCOWL AT HER, TELL HER THE GOVERNOR KILLED THE GUARDSMEN!!!


And hell, did you see the Gov's face twitching towards the end of that conversation?

Mike Chewbacca: Sorry pal, you said Lori should have abstained unless she had access to birth control or a safe place to deliver. The subject of your statement was Lori, not Shane. It's not Shane's fault he farked his not-so-dead best friend's wife is basically what you implied. Meanwhile, Lori thinks Rick is dead (based on Shane's statements) and understandably attaches herself to the new group leader. So yeah, misogynist much?


That or she could have just used the butt.
 
2012-11-05 04:25:48 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: It's not Shane's fault he farked his not-so-dead best friend's wife is basically what you implied. Meanwhile, Lori thinks Rick is dead (based on Shane's statements) and understandably attaches herself to the new group leader. So yeah, misogynist much?


Who cares if it's Shane's fault or not? Does he have to carry the child to term? Are there any laws society has put in place to make him culpable? Could he just walk away and not have to worrry about it?

You are talking like she could sue him for childsupport. During the apocalypse if you have a vagina you carry a knife and stab anything that tries to penetrate you. Because it is your life that is on the line, not his.

Misogynist..please, pick up a paleontology book and stfu. History doesn't care about your PC terms.
 
2012-11-05 04:51:20 PM  

someonelse: calbert: the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

I would hope they are. I understand the Strangelovian urge to repopulate the planet and all, but damn. It's only been a matter of months since this all started. No woman in her right mind would actually be going out of her way to get pregnant yet.

I do think the scene with Glen and Maggie in the tower was meant to be a little comic interlude before the unimaginable horror that followed. But ... were they supposed to be watching the grounds while they were up there, or did they go up there just to be alone?


They went up there to be alone. Daryl? said somthing about how they were there the day before too.

People would be boning like crazy in that world. Being a survivor would boost sexual desire tremendously. Everybody wants to fark after they do somthing badass. And killing zombies is badass.

Plus, nothing makes people want sex more than seeing death. It's the reason funerals are one of the best places to get laid.
 
2012-11-05 05:48:08 PM  

T.M.S.: someonelse: calbert: the sexual relationship between Glen and Maggie. you would think that with all of the drama surrounding Lori and her pregnancy and how it has been affecting the entire group, that Glen and Maggie (or any other 2 characters) would take the high road and just abstain from vaginal intercourse until things settled down.

I would hope they are. I understand the Strangelovian urge to repopulate the planet and all, but damn. It's only been a matter of months since this all started. No woman in her right mind would actually be going out of her way to get pregnant yet.

I do think the scene with Glen and Maggie in the tower was meant to be a little comic interlude before the unimaginable horror that followed. But ... were they supposed to be watching the grounds while they were up there, or did they go up there just to be alone?

They went up there to be alone. Daryl? said somthing about how they were there the day before too.

People would be boning like crazy in that world. Being a survivor would boost sexual desire tremendously. Everybody wants to fark after they do somthing badass. And killing zombies is badass.

Plus, nothing makes people want sex more than seeing death. It's the reason funerals are one of the best places to get laid.


Not to mention, what else are they going to do? No tv, radio, movies, internet, books, video games, etc. No drinking or drugs. No nightlife. After a long day of slagging zombies they aren't going to sit around the campfire singing kumbaya. At night it's either listen to the crickets or screw.
 
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