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2012-11-04 08:29:25 PM
Isn't that the entire Indian film industry?
 
2012-11-04 08:44:44 PM
 
2012-11-04 08:53:46 PM
Hollywood is a Jewish American players troupe that spiraled out of control into a giant pile of money.

They have made some of the best movies on Earth, but only because of budget. Script for script, they're just as cliche riddled and uncreative as any other film producing ethnic group. Sure there's dismonds in the scree, but most films can be safely guestimated, shot for shot, based on the movie poster alone.
 
2012-11-04 08:57:11 PM
In fairness, Ken Watanabe is pretty much Japan's answer to Clint Eastwood. Though, to be fair, one of my favorite films of all time is Tampopo, and Ken pretty much sells the crap out of that movie. I am a huge Jûzô Itami fanboy though.
 
2012-11-04 08:57:13 PM
The ideal movie would be a French or Japanese movie edited but not altered by a Hollywood director shot by a German with Hong Kong and Indian choreography with a Disney budget using B-list stars and Jr A Listers.

Right?
 
2012-11-04 09:00:26 PM
In further fairness, Hollywood has been mining Japanese and Chinese cinema for some time, so maybe it's only fair if they take back a few on occasion. Heck, Star Wars stole how much from Kurosawa? Tarantino mined how many HK gangster movies?
 
2012-11-04 09:03:14 PM

doglover: The ideal movie would be a French or Japanese movie edited but not altered by a Hollywood director shot by a German with Hong Kong and Indian choreography with a Disney budget using B-list stars and Jr A Listers.

Right?


I dunno, but Luc Besson and Gérard Krawczyk did Wasabi, which was very much a French action flick, in Japan, with Jean Reno, and it was absolutely brilliant, though needing subtitles for both the French and Japanese was a kick.
 
2012-11-04 09:03:57 PM
If Ken Watanabe is in it, I'll watch it.
 
2012-11-04 09:52:59 PM
Oh, that is so much mother farking win! My favorite western remade by my favorite weird people.
 
2012-11-04 10:07:16 PM
Hmmm...this looks like something I'd go see.
 
2012-11-04 10:23:37 PM
Clint Eastwood became a movie star because of a remake of a Japanese movie. Turnabout is fair play.
 
2012-11-04 10:23:59 PM
He was great in The Last Samurai.
 
2012-11-04 10:24:26 PM
Clint Eastwood's career was really made by starring in films made by an Italian director heavily influenced by a Japanese director, so films have always been international and have always influenced each other. So why the hell not.
 
2012-11-04 10:24:37 PM
Only idiots and faux-snobs get mad at Hollywood remaking foreign films.

The problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!

Remaking other things is the very heart of culture. We've been remaking stuff since thousands of years ago. Don't believe the idiots that say remakes are a symbol of no creativity. It's actually the staple of creation. Most heroes are based on Enkidu.

We even remade entire civilizations and religions.
 
2012-11-04 10:28:14 PM
Who is going to play Morgan Freeman's character?

乳首は振りかける


/quick and dirty google translate
 
2012-11-04 10:29:18 PM

rocky_howard: he problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!


QFT. Hollywood always manages to completely fail at capturing the spirit of the original films even when they are slavishly faithful to it (which is rarely).
 
2012-11-04 10:30:05 PM

rocky_howard: Only idiots and faux-snobs get mad at Hollywood remaking foreign films.

The problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!

Remaking other things is the very heart of culture. We've been remaking stuff since thousands of years ago. Don't believe the idiots that say remakes are a symbol of no creativity. It's actually the staple of creation. Most heroes are based on Enkidu.

We even remade entire civilizations and religions.


The thing is, Samurai movies and westerns are such similar genres and explore such similar themes that they are almost interchangable, so a successful remake is easier.

Magnificent Seven was not as good as Seven Samurai, but it was still a very good movie. Likewise, I don't think this one will be as good as Unforgiven, but I have a feeling it will probably be entertaining.
 
2012-11-04 10:34:42 PM

stoli n coke: rocky_howard: Only idiots and faux-snobs get mad at Hollywood remaking foreign films.

The problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!

Remaking other things is the very heart of culture. We've been remaking stuff since thousands of years ago. Don't believe the idiots that say remakes are a symbol of no creativity. It's actually the staple of creation. Most heroes are based on Enkidu.

We even remade entire civilizations and religions.

The thing is, Samurai movies and westerns are such similar genres and explore such similar themes that they are almost interchangable, so a successful remake is easier.

Magnificent Seven was not as good as Seven Samurai, but it was still a very good movie. Likewise, I don't think this one will be as good as Unforgiven, but I have a feeling it will probably be entertaining.


The almost scene for scene simlilarities between Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars illustrates this very well.
 
2012-11-04 10:35:33 PM
Just as long as the subtitles make sense.
 
2012-11-04 10:39:00 PM
I like to take movies that Ken Wantanabe is in and imagine his role being played by Gedde Wantanabe.
 
2012-11-04 10:41:17 PM

thetrenchcoat: I like to take movies that Ken Wantanabe is in and imagine his role being played by Gedde Wantanabe.


oh! farkin A!

/good thing i did one more refresh
 
2012-11-04 10:41:56 PM

thetrenchcoat: I like to take movies that Ken Wantanabe is in and imagine his role being played by Gedde Wantanabe.


Here, take it:

www.historyplace.com


/You said it twice, you must really want one.
 
2012-11-04 10:44:59 PM
Um, we don't care?

The gripe about remaking foreign films is that they're typically dumbed-down and we could just watch the originals. The only reason to do it is to make lots of American money by giving people an inferior version when they could just have the better, foreign version. Also, movies like that usually come out just a couple of years later to cash in on what was just a big sensation overseas.

This doesn't generally apply to a foreign remake of an American film, and few Americans would see it in any case, so what do we care? For that matter, "Unforgiven" is twenty farking years old.
 
2012-11-04 10:50:09 PM

rocky_howard: thetrenchcoat: I like to take movies that Ken Wantanabe is in and imagine his role being played by Gedde Wantanabe.

Here, take it:

[www.historyplace.com image 371x432]


/You said it twice, you must really want one.


Thank you. My old one had a hole in it.
 
2012-11-04 10:51:29 PM
Meh, I'll still watch it. I own the original, look forward to seeing a different take on it. I don't mind re-makes of foreign films, it's just a lot of time they are inferior.
 
2012-11-04 10:53:25 PM
Let me know when the Japanese remake their own Blazing Saddles.

"THE SAMURAI IS A GAIJ-"*BONG*
 
2012-11-04 11:01:26 PM
"I'll see you in hell, William Munny."

"Yup"

*Decapitation*
*Cherry blossoms fall*
 
2012-11-04 11:07:31 PM
I'm....quite okay with this.
 
2012-11-04 11:11:21 PM

TV's Vinnie: Let me know when the Japanese remake their own Blazing Saddles.

"THE SAMURAI IS A GAIJ-"*BONG*


And they could still do the "Excuse me while I whip this out." joke.
 
2012-11-04 11:11:53 PM

Confabulat: Mugato: Isn't that the entire Indian film industry?

Indian Spider-Man is superior to the American version in many ways


The spoof, Return to Supermans: Link
 
2012-11-04 11:19:54 PM
as long as we dont see Watanabe talking to a chair at a Neo-Con Nuremburg later it should be ok..

/go ahead...wipe my backside.
//are you feelin regular punk?
///love Ken Whatcanthatbe....
 
2012-11-04 11:21:33 PM

propasaurus: If Ken Watanabe is in it, I'll watch it.


What that guy said.
 
2012-11-04 11:22:00 PM

The reason American remakes of foreign films aren't good is because the directors veer away from the story that made the original great. Hopefully Spike Lee's version of "Old Boy" stays true to the plot of the original.


Now as to why good American remakes aren't successful, I don't know. "Let Me In" was a great remake of "Let the Right One In" but the film did so-so. Same with "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". I liked both versions, but I remember reading that the money the film made wasn't up to expectations (although the sequel is being made). I wish I knew why American audiences don't seem to like movies with great plots.

 
2012-11-04 11:25:05 PM
Funny thing (to me) is that Eastwood has directed Watanabe, in the excellent Letters From Iwo Jima.
 
2012-11-04 11:28:02 PM

skinink: Hopefully Spike Lee's version of "Old Boy" stays true to the plot of the original.


you can't...
be...
serious...?

(googles...)

www.charlieglickman.com 

Spike Lee for the fail....
 
2012-11-04 11:50:44 PM

rocky_howard: Only idiots and faux-snobs get mad at Hollywood remaking foreign films.

The problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!

Remaking other things is the very heart of culture. We've been remaking stuff since thousands of years ago. Don't believe the idiots that say remakes are a symbol of no creativity. It's actually the staple of creation. Most heroes are based on Enkidu.

We even remade entire civilizations and religions.


you're entitled to your opinion. many don't care for remakes of film, domestic or foreign.

films are art. do you go to museums to see 3 remakes of the Mona Lisa? 4 Whistler's Mothers?

remake is cheap cash whoring. at the very least do an homage, a personal interpretation,
a new film based on one old famous character in a new tale - whatever - there are so many things that can be done.

Walt disney has been re-releasing their big classic money makers every X amount of years
because there is a new crop of children that will enjoy them. It is total whoring for the money.

if you feel the art of film is just a cash grab, so be it.

--- there is also a large quantity of music that at one time was a huge hit for an artist only to
later be raped by some hack that didn't have the talent, chops or pipes to pull it off. they too
are hacks just reaching for easy sales. worse yet is 'sampling' that put huge coin in many a no-talent
homies pocket. talk about perfume on a pig.
 
2012-11-04 11:58:41 PM

Haliburton Cummings: skinink: Hopefully Spike Lee's version of "Old Boy" stays true to the plot of the original.

you can't...
be...
serious...?

(googles...)

[www.charlieglickman.com image 400x341] 

Spike Lee for the fail....


No one has evidence either way that his remake will or won't be more or less faithful. What do you know that tells you one way or the other?
 
2012-11-05 12:10:37 AM
"We all got it coming, kid.. "
 
2012-11-05 12:15:18 AM
I suspect this will be good, but I'd rather see foreign remakes of older stuff like Rio Bravo. Or hell, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, anything really.

Unforgiven is still pretty fresh in my mind, and it's hard to outdo Gene farking Hackman.
 
2012-11-05 12:20:51 AM

KrispyKritter: rocky_howard: Only idiots and faux-snobs get mad at Hollywood remaking foreign films.

The problem is not the remake, the problem is they usually suck!!

Remaking other things is the very heart of culture. We've been remaking stuff since thousands of years ago. Don't believe the idiots that say remakes are a symbol of no creativity. It's actually the staple of creation. Most heroes are based on Enkidu.

We even remade entire civilizations and religions.

you're entitled to your opinion. many don't care for remakes of film, domestic or foreign.

films are art. do you go to museums to see 3 remakes of the Mona Lisa? 4 Whistler's Mothers?

remake is cheap cash whoring. at the very least do an homage, a personal interpretation,
a new film based on one old famous character in a new tale - whatever - there are so many things that can be done.

Walt disney has been re-releasing their big classic money makers every X amount of years
because there is a new crop of children that will enjoy them. It is total whoring for the money.

if you feel the art of film is just a cash grab, so be it.

--- there is also a large quantity of music that at one time was a huge hit for an artist only to
later be raped by some hack that didn't have the talent, chops or pipes to pull it off. they too
are hacks just reaching for easy sales. worse yet is 'sampling' that put huge coin in many a no-talent
homies pocket. talk about perfume on a pig.


I agree. The Oresteia was awesome in the original Greek. That English hack ruined it.
 
2012-11-05 12:26:57 AM
What a knob, eh?
 
2012-11-05 12:31:37 AM

KrispyKritter: you're entitled to your opinion. many don't care for remakes of film, domestic or foreign.


It's not an opinion, it's FACT.

films are art. do you go to museums to see 3 remakes of the Mona Lisa? 4 Whistler's Mothers?

Can you be more pretentious and conceited? Of course film is an art. You don't have to tell me.

And your painting analogy is flawed in several ways.

1.- Painting is a different medium.
2.- Unless you're Gus Van Sant, a remake is not a 1:1 reproduction of the original, so saying "four Mona Lisas" is just dumb.
3.- Mona Lisa has a unique value beyond being a painting. It's much more than an artistic representation of the girl/woman/person in question.

remake is cheap cash whoring. at the very least do an homage, a personal interpretation,
a new film based on one old famous character in a new tale - whatever - there are so many things that can be done.

A remake is no much different than an adaptation of a novel.

And film in general can be "cheap cash whoring" without resorting to remakes.

The personal interpretation, uh, that's what most remakes actually are.

Walt disney has been re-releasing their big classic money makers every X amount of years
because there is a new crop of children that will enjoy them. It is total whoring for the money.


Oh, so you're just one of those hipsters who cry about the money?

farking idiot, that's how culture remains active. If Shakespeare hadn't been re-edited countless times how would we even know about his works?

if you feel the art of film is just a cash grab, so be it.

No, but movies cost money to make and unless you plan on donating your 4 billion dollars so people can make movies regardless of profit, then shut up about "oh the money".

--- there is also a large quantity of music that at one time was a huge hit for an artist only to
later be raped by some hack that didn't have the talent, chops or pipes to pull it off. they too
are hacks just reaching for easy sales. worse yet is 'sampling' that put huge coin in many a no-talent
homies pocket. talk about perfume on a pig.


Snobby idiot, nothing to see here.
 
2012-11-05 12:42:56 AM
geektyrant.com
This is great.
katechaplin.files.wordpress.com
This is pretty good.

Most of the rest were pretty bad.
 
2012-11-05 12:49:06 AM
Ok, I've got it: For the live action Akira film to work it should star Aston Kucher as Kaneda, Michael Cera as Tetsuo and Justin Bieber as Akira.
 
2012-11-05 12:52:39 AM

skinink: Haliburton Cummings: skinink: Hopefully Spike Lee's version of "Old Boy" stays true to the plot of the original.

you can't...
be...
serious...?

(googles...)

[www.charlieglickman.com image 400x341] 

Spike Lee for the fail....

No one has evidence either way that his remake will or won't be more or less faithful. What do you know that tells you one way or the other?


point by point:

- i could give a fark about "faithful".

- Spike Lee has been making some really terrible shiat for awhile.

- based on the unwatchable garbage he has been making, this ain't going to get any better

- Old Boy is a perfect film in many ways that certainly doesn't need a re-tread for American audiences

- Anglocentric remakes of foreign films usually always suck.

- I don't need to see the Robocop reboot to know it's going to suck..it's going to suck.
( so much so that it is being "put on hold" )

- the casting.

- did i mention the casting?

- let's look at the casting shall we?

- Spike Lee.


i think that pretty much covers it?
 
2012-11-05 12:55:08 AM

Porous Horace: Ok, I've got it: For the live action Akira film to work it should star Aston Kucher as Kaneda, Michael Cera as Tetsuo and Justin Bieber as Akira.


so much this...

Akira is in development hell because they can't make it work...

it should be made in Asia, star Asians and be made by Asians...

ASIANZ!!!
 
2012-11-05 01:02:01 AM
Magnificent seven is a good example of a genre swap, not a remake. The characters were disassembled into component traits, reassembled, and the fundamental motivations shuffled to fit the western genre.

So it was the same movie, but also a completely different movie. Beyond the basic (and awesome) shape of the plot - bandits attack, wandering heroes called in, the town is defended - someone watching one after watching the other doesn't actually necessarily know who is going to do what when and how exactly it's going to turn out (the biggest differences being who dies, it's hard to tell since the storylines are mixed and matched for each character). Plus, a lot of original dialogue was added ("It was a terrible shot, I was aiming for the horse").

If that was what "remake" meant, there'd be an awful lot of good ones and no one would complain. But it usually means same movie, same genre, same dialogue, except in English with larger breast implants and more bleach. Though I actually wouldn't object to that, either, if they'd just stagger the release by a decade instead of like 6 months.
 
2012-11-05 01:18:37 AM

Jim_Callahan: Magnificent seven is a good example of a genre swap, not a remake. The characters were disassembled into component traits, reassembled, and the fundamental motivations shuffled to fit the western genre.

So it was the same movie, but also a completely different movie. Beyond the basic (and awesome) shape of the plot - bandits attack, wandering heroes called in, the town is defended - someone watching one after watching the other doesn't actually necessarily know who is going to do what when and how exactly it's going to turn out (the biggest differences being who dies, it's hard to tell since the storylines are mixed and matched for each character). Plus, a lot of original dialogue was added ("It was a terrible shot, I was aiming for the horse").

If that was what "remake" meant, there'd be an awful lot of good ones and no one would complain. But it usually means same movie, same genre, same dialogue, except in English with larger breast implants and more bleach. Though I actually wouldn't object to that, either, if they'd just stagger the release by a decade instead of like 6 months.


this
 
2012-11-05 01:20:33 AM

Phaeon: Who is going to play Morgan Freeman's character?

乳首は振りかける

/quick and dirty google translate


Well that depends on what "titty sprinkles" means. Your google translation says "The nipples sprinkle upon".

Was the original meaning sprinkles on titties, or a sprinkling of titties on something?,

Back on topic, I can't find enough detail about the characters in "Urusarezaru Mono" to work out who is the Ned Logan equivalent.
 
2012-11-05 01:31:37 AM
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