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(Cincinnati Enquirer)   Red Cross to Mitt Romney campaign: "Uh, thanks, but we don't actually need all of this stuff you just dumped at our doorstep"   (cincinnati.com) divider line 113
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2012-11-04 04:40:32 PM
10 votes:
How about giving some of that stuff to the 170 Sensata Technologies employees who will be laid off next month because Bain Capital is sending their jobs to China??
2012-11-04 02:38:53 PM
9 votes:
Mitt Romney is not a smart or considerate man.
2012-11-04 04:31:28 PM
8 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.

It blew up in his face from the perspective. Any idiot was that was impressed by this was voting for him anyways.

I don't think it blew up in his face. Nobody who donated like that really paid attention after they cleaned out the old food cans from their cabinet.

Anyone who was there that found this out is blaming the "Liberul Media" as obviously one can merely shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.


He purchased $5,000 worth of stuff that Red Cross specifically said they didn't want the day before and had had people pretending to donate the goods load it in the back of the truck. This is just as pathetic as Ryan cleaning the clean pots and pans at the soup kitchen.
2012-11-04 03:18:16 PM
8 votes:
this is why professional emergency management is important, people... knowing how to actually help, how to manage volunteers, donations and entire programs is a small branch of a complicated *system*, one that a person who has stated that he wants to drastically reduce the role of FEMA has no idea of. Craig Fugate has done an amazing job of structuring FEMA post-Katrina/post-Brownie, and has dramatically raised the standards and practices of E.M. Unfortunately, a Romney presidency would probably replace him with a clown loke brown...
2012-11-04 06:59:19 PM
6 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.


jersey here. wasting valuable cell battery time with this, but red cross and salvation army are here, helping and feeding. no one else. they may be top heavy, but they walk the walk. I'm now proud to have donated to RC in the past, and will not hesitate to support SA in the future. no preaching, just help.
2012-11-04 05:47:53 PM
6 votes:
Y'know, it would have been extraordinarily easy for the Romney campaign to have turned this into a huge gain. They could've said: 'In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation in this time of national tragedy, we must all come together and set aside politics for the good of all. Therefore, we are suspending our ad buys for this week and donating that money instead to the Red Cross.'
With as much money as Romney has been raking in, it would've been a blip in their ad budget. Hell, they could've quickly cut a new ad saying that, placed it instead of their usual ads, still kept the ad buys in place, they'd barely feel a pinch in their ad budget and it would've put them ahead of the game.

But, try getting Romney to let go of a dollar to benefit someone else.
2012-11-04 06:50:10 PM
5 votes:

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: propasaurus: Y'know, it would have been extraordinarily easy for the Romney campaign to have turned this into a huge gain. They could've said: 'In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation in this time of national tragedy, we must all come together and set aside politics for the good of all. Therefore, we are suspending our ad buys for this week and donating that money instead to the Red Cross.'
With as much money as Romney has been raking in, it would've been a blip in their ad budget. Hell, they could've quickly cut a new ad saying that, placed it instead of their usual ads, still kept the ad buys in place, they'd barely feel a pinch in their ad budget and it would've put them ahead of the game.

But, try getting Romney to let go of a dollar to benefit someone else.

To be fair, that could be construed as misusing campaign funds - donors contributed money to his election campaign, not to hurricane relief. It might even be illegal to redirect donations in that way.

I'm not sure there was much Romney could do but suspend his campaign for a few days. Using his own money to make a large, public donation to the relief effort would certainly have been seen as pandering. He could have made a large, private donation that would later be "leaked" to the press, but pulling that off would have required a competent capaign staff. The botched canned food drive was probably the best gesture his inept campaign could come up.


He could have organized a blood drive. Something the red cross specifically said they needed. Many people who are eligible do not give blood, and having a presidental candidate get out there, and donate blood and encourage people to do so might have actually HELPED. Maybe during the campaign rallies he could have the red cross set up donation tents (etc), and have a photo-op of him and his family donating.
2012-11-04 07:44:36 PM
4 votes:
The only one I've seen publicly complain about the Red Cross on Staten Island is the borough President, who happens to be a Republican, and everyone parroting his words back. Obama recommended donating to the Red Cross. Is it possible politics is at play here?
2012-11-04 07:09:42 PM
4 votes:

randomjsa: spelletrader: They didn't whine about anything. They merely stated that they prefer donations of money and blood, but do not refuse any donations, this blogger is the one making a big deal out of it.

On another note, the Red Cross is not the only agency working on relief efforts. If the Romney camp organized with one of the many NJ volunteer efforts they could have trucked that stuff right to the shore and organizations there would have gladly taken the items to be dispersed. I know of at least half a dozen people with trucks that make 2-3 trips a day with local donations and all items are gladly accepted.

If anyone is in the south Jersey area and wants to know of a drop off location I can probably find one for you, my wife is on the board of a local non-profit in her spare time and we've been coordinating local relief efforts and donations since the day of the storm.

This is the second or third complaint I've heard centered around the fact that "B-But the Red Cross doesn't want things like that...!"

Who gives a damn? This is nothing but obsessive compulsive arseholery if I may create a new phrase. For all the complaining that liberals do about Republicans going in to knee jerk reaction mode to oppose everything Obama does... They sure seem keen on finding a way to complain about relief supplies being sent to a storm area. What, do they seriously think Obama popped up there only out of the goodness of his heart and never once considered the implications of how he would look this close to the election while evil Romney only did the relief supplies as a shameless photo op?

Also as stated here on Fark we had the "Well he's only sending it to battleground states!", scraping for an excuse to hate monger on Romney. As stated, this showed up in NJ. Anyone think Romney is going to win NJ? Anyone?


What's the point of blaming every human being that Mitt Romney attempts to interact with for the failure of those interactions? He is the common factor of failure here, and is obviously the problem. He is a failed human being, and should not be president of the local homeowner's association, let alone the United States - and, luckily, he won't be.
2012-11-04 06:04:14 PM
4 votes:

deadcrickets: And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.


Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.


92.2% of their income goes to program expenses. That's not fantastic, but it's not shabby either. The problem is exactly what they stated: If they accept donations of physical goods, everyone and their brother will be sending random stuff their way. If you have *extra* stuff, donate it to a food bank, shelter or Goodwill/St. Vinnie's type of place. If you want to provide more general disaster aid, give money to the Red Cross (or send it to someone you know in the area).
2012-11-04 05:59:15 PM
4 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.


I'm partially in agreement with this. If the Red Cross suddenly finds itself with a rented U haul full of basics....stop whining about it. At the very least, they could decline, give the driver a map of some heavily effected hamlet, and say go give it to these people.

The Red Cross is a valuable organization, but it's elevation to cult-like status is undeserved.
2012-11-04 08:26:26 PM
3 votes:

hbk72777: Of course they only want money, it's hard to steal goods

The Red Cross= We donate to ourselves

Link


Look, it's not that hard to understand why donations of this sort are really inefficient to accept and process. There's no overarching strategic planning to it- no way of determining that the food donated is what's needed. There's also no good way to ship it, and there's no process in place to distribute it.

Also, why on earth would you encourage people to pay retail for commodities when the Red Cross and other big agencies can negotiate for wholesale deals with efficient distribution?

It really just doesn't make sense on a logical level.

Also, Mitt Romney's not dumb. He understands all of this. A really good supply chain is what companies like Staples are built on.
2012-11-04 08:25:59 PM
3 votes:

hbk72777: Of course they only want money, it's hard to steal goods

The Red Cross= We donate to ourselves

Link


Man, it must really make you butthurt to see the Red Cross make Romney an ass that you had to dig an article from 2005 where a bunch of call center works stole money from the actual organization.
2012-11-04 08:22:47 PM
3 votes:

Genevieve Marie: Mrtraveler01: IronTom: Just like the IBEW turning away helpers that did not sign up for their unions.

I heard about that and thought that was dickish.

This is nothing like that though, no matter how much you want it to be.


Yea, except that didn't actually happen.
 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp


Well I'll be darned.

I saw it on the NBC 10 website from Philly and just assumed it was true.

That's a relief then.
2012-11-04 08:14:11 PM
3 votes:

deadcrickets: And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.


We went over this in another thread. Forbes and Charitynavigator.org both say that the American Red Cross is 92% efficient; 92 cents of every dollar they receive goes to providing relief, which is pretty good for an organization of that size. The only charities that do better than that tend to be small, local, and narrower in focus.
2012-11-04 08:04:49 PM
3 votes:

redTiburon: Screw the Red Cross...someone needs to haul the food to the people that need it.


Such as?

It would've been nice if Romney and his goons actually did their homework before doing this half-assed, storm relief thing. 

But it would also be nice if the GOP ran someone who was competent for once as well.
2012-11-04 07:03:21 PM
3 votes:
Totally buried the lede:

the Romney campaign spent $5,000 in a local Wal-Mart store Monday night because it feared people wouldn't bring enough

And yet they espouse unraveling the safety net to rely on privatization and charity, while actively being aware it will be insufficient. I have to make conscious efforts to think they aren't REALLY trying to kill off a swath of the public -- but I can't really believe what I have to tell myself.
2012-11-04 06:57:04 PM
3 votes:

propasaurus: Fart_Machine: Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.

Someone already posted a link above explaining why you're a dumbass.

Hey, they've got a talking point, they're gonna run with it.


" food providers can get what they need for "pennies on the dollar." She estimates that they pay about 10 cents a pound for food that would cost you $2 per pound retail. You'd be doing dramatically more good, in basic dollars and cents terms, by eating that tuna yourself and forking over a check for half the price of a single can of Chicken of the Sea."

Is it really that hard to understand???

"Beyond the economies of scale are the overhead costs. Charities are naturally reluctant to turn down donations for fear of alienating supporters or demoralizing well-wishers, but the reality is that dealing with sporadic surges of cans is a logistical headache. A nationwide network of food banks called Feeding America gingerly notes on its website that "a hastily organized local food drive can actually put more strain on your local food bank than you imagine." Food dropped off by well-meaning citizens needs to be carefully inspected and sorted. A personal check, by contrast, can be used to order what's needed without placing extra burdens on the staff."

Romney is a supposed "successful business man". Seriously, if you can't grasp economies of scale and overhead costs then you are not a business man and Mitt Romney isn't one. He's an opportunist vulture.
2012-11-04 06:42:07 PM
3 votes:

randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.


All this anger is misdirected. You should be angry with the reactionary propagandists who have lied to you and sucked you into the bullshiat self-delusion of so-called "conservatism". That's the source of your rage and confusion - stupid, right wing thinking.
You need to get your mind right, and clean all that neocon trash out of it.
2012-11-04 06:21:38 PM
3 votes:

randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.


They didn't whine about anything. They merely stated that they prefer donations of money and blood, but do not refuse any donations, this blogger is the one making a big deal out of it.

On another note, the Red Cross is not the only agency working on relief efforts. If the Romney camp organized with one of the many NJ volunteer efforts they could have trucked that stuff right to the shore and organizations there would have gladly taken the items to be dispersed. I know of at least half a dozen people with trucks that make 2-3 trips a day with local donations and all items are gladly accepted.

If anyone is in the south Jersey area and wants to know of a drop off location I can probably find one for you, my wife is on the board of a local non-profit in her spare time and we've been coordinating local relief efforts and donations since the day of the storm.
2012-11-04 06:10:27 PM
3 votes:

randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.


Romney footing the bill so that his charity drive will have appeared to fill the truck he got so that his full truck of donations looks better for him in the papers doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with the red cross.
2012-11-04 05:59:05 PM
3 votes:
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2012-11-04 05:57:25 PM
3 votes:
Our Occupy comrades are doing tons of work on the ground and even have FEMA consulting with them and are doing as much and as good work as the professional relief groups, and are getting things and help to people in hours while the NGOs are taking days.

Whereas the highly-structured and highly-organized Romney campaign can't manage a photo op without it turning into a farkup.
2012-11-04 05:31:56 PM
3 votes:
For Romney/Ryan it's all about what things appear to be, rather than what they actually are.

Ryan appears to be doing the dishes in a soup kitchen.
Romney appears to be encouraging people to donate generously to the Red Cross.
Obama appears to be Muslin anti-Christ book-readin' black-bein' yeller-bellied varmint.

So vote Republican.
2012-11-05 03:13:41 AM
2 votes:
Wow, it amazes me how many people here seem to be a bit short on the idea of "wholesale" vs "retail".

True wholesale, now, not Costco wholesale-which is retail with high ceilings and visible forklifts.

Here's the thing about sending "charity donations" in goods: most people are assholes, and will use this opportunity to "give away" canned goods that expired years ago. Chances are, those will consume precious logistical space, effort, and fuel before being discovered and thrown away-or won't be discovered, will give some poor bastard food poisoning, and will therefore create an additional medical casualty.

Otherwise, they'll buy a new good at retail, which is wasteful when the cash could be used to buy it wholesale, direct from the closest distributor.

Send it in money, and the RC can buy known-fresh goods at wholesale rates. It's also amazing how much more you can fit on a truck when everything is still factory-palletized as opposed to randomly thrown together.
2012-11-04 10:26:27 PM
2 votes:

Jairzinho: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 850x571][asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
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Is that a "Don't tread on me" flag someone is holding in the middle against the fence? WTF does someone do with such a flag in a farking food drive for storm victims????


Because it was a rebranded campaign rally.
2012-11-04 10:14:54 PM
2 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: asianconservatives.com[asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
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Is that a "Don't tread on me" flag someone is holding in the middle against the fence? WTF does someone do with such a flag in a farking food drive for storm victims????
2012-11-04 09:40:17 PM
2 votes:
Seriously, after reading some posts, if you want to donate to a relief effort you either

. donate cash
. ask the relief organization what goods they need in lieu of cash and supply that at no charge (blood is an example)
. travel to the disaster site at your own expense and accommodation and volunteer to help under someone else's direction in distribution, triage, and cleanup without obstructing anything

Anything else is just something that gets in the way.
2012-11-04 09:04:13 PM
2 votes:

sdd2000: Read more: Link


You won't get through to him. skullkrusher has a job to do: to lie his ass off and use the damage done on the east coast of the United States to further the right-wing agenda to smear unions. Because unions vote for democrats.
2012-11-04 09:02:49 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Genevieve Marie: Except the union released a statement saying they weren't sure what papers the group had received, and stated that it was their policy to welcome non-union assistance.

the head of the IBEW released such a statement. Who's to say what a local did? I don't see why the utility would lie and then release a press release to continue that lie


The utility company in question said in their statement that at no time were their workers turned away, and that they held them pending clarification on requirements.

I agree there was probably a little bureaucratic confusion, but there's absolutely no implication that it was intentional or that it was the result of unions turning away non-union workers.

This is getting a bit off-topic though, and I'm done arguing the nuances of this.
2012-11-04 08:58:43 PM
2 votes:
Oh, and Chris Christie also stated that the crew who didn't come got bad information, and made it clear that non-union workers were welcome.

This feels like a particularly craven attempt to use this tragedy to demonize unions, even as their workers are busting their asses trying to restore services.

 
2012-11-04 08:56:21 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Genevieve Marie: skullkrusher: that snopes article basically says it did happen, more or less. They weren't turned away, they just never got there because they received information that they'd have to join the union to help out.


No, the Snopes article says that no one was turned away, but that one crew turned back and went home before they arrived due to confusion about what was going on.

That's a completely different scenario than the malicious one that's been circulating in right wing media.

The utility even released a statement to the effect that they received info that implied they'd need to join the union when they arrived. The further implication being they would not have been allowed to help out had they not done so. No, no one was turned away because they went home before they could be turned away.


Except the union released a statement saying they weren't sure what papers the group had received, and stated that it was their policy to welcome non-union assistance.
 
2012-11-04 08:50:06 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: that snopes article basically says it did happen, more or less. They weren't turned away, they just never got there because they received information that they'd have to join the union to help out.



No, the Snopes article says that no one was turned away, but that one crew turned back and went home before they arrived due to confusion about what was going on.

That's a completely different scenario than the malicious one that's been circulating in right wing media.

 
2012-11-04 08:20:14 PM
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: IronTom: Just like the IBEW turning away helpers that did not sign up for their unions.

I heard about that and thought that was dickish.

This is nothing like that though, no matter how much you want it to be.



Yea, except that didn't actually happen.
 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp
2012-11-04 08:19:19 PM
2 votes:
The main reason the Red Cross doesn't handle food and clothes and stuff like that is that there are already smaller, local organizations that DO handle that...and they apply to the Red Cross for grant money to do their thing. The Red Cross mostly doesn't set up the soup kitchens and food banks themselves; they coordinate with smaller local branches and agencies that are already in place. That's why sending them bales of used clothing and old food doesn't help them--they have to centralize it, and then ship it out to their subsidiaries, and the local nonprofits who apply to them for grants and supplies.

You can cry all you want about how their CEOs and board of directors get six-figure salaries; but its because of them that satellite agencies and affiliates have money to spend and supplies to hand out during disasters; because the Red Cross is able to decentralize at the drop of a hat--unlike the FEMA response we saw during Katrina, when there was no CEO or board to speak of and everything was located in Washington. The Red Cross exists as a corporation so that, in a crisis, the board can call the New York office and say "Go get what you need, the money is on the way." And so that other agencies even exist because they have money already because they have a little tag in the corner of their sign that says "a Red Cross affiliate." That's how this works.
2012-11-04 08:13:23 PM
2 votes:

St_Francis_P: Vodka Zombie: Mitt Romney is not a smart or considerate man.

I'm not even sure about that. He's lived in the equivalent of a Fairy Castle all his life, he has no way of knowing how most people live.


You know what though? He's run basically his entire campaign off the idea that his business experience gives him all sorts of insight into  things that are only tangentially related to running a business.

The way supply chain logistics work though? That he should actually have a firm grasp on, and he should therefore be able to understand Red Cross operations well enough to know this was not the way to do any real good.

He didn't mess this up because he's stupid. He messed this up because he was cynical enough to care more about the photo op than actually contributing to disaster relief.


 
2012-11-04 07:48:33 PM
2 votes:
Everyone who has ever had the Red Cross ask for donations due to a disaster in your area know they say "we prefer money and blood over canned food, clothes, etc". After our various disasters (tornadoes, floods, hurricanes), the local RC actually asked the news media to tell the public "please do not send us any more clothing", as people were emptying their closets of unwanted clothes and dumping everything at donation centers. That absorbed relief workers to sort the clothes who could have been better used delivering food & water to people in need, or helping them find shelter, etc.

Romney could have asked "instead of donating to my campaign tonight, write your checks to the RC or give blood" and then backed his words up with his own actions. I'm sure he could spare a $10,000 check to the RC and hey, it's tax deductible too.

In typical Romney fashion though, he asks for food and clothing, then dumps it on the one relief agency that doesn't need it, just to make a PR statement.
2012-11-04 07:30:53 PM
2 votes:
Homeless, out of food? Here's a tin of beans and a N0bama t shirt. Now gather your staff and disperse it to people with no pot to cook in and no gas to cook with. Enjoy your tin of beans.
2012-11-04 07:17:58 PM
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: If only 1 or 2 families benefited from anything dropped off, it is worth it.


As compared to the several dozen families that would have benefited if he had just donated the money instead of using this tragedy as a chance for grandstanding.

farking opportunity cost, how does it work?
2012-11-04 07:10:28 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: spelletrader: They didn't whine about anything. They merely stated that they prefer donations of money and blood, but do not refuse any donations, this blogger is the one making a big deal out of it.

On another note, the Red Cross is not the only agency working on relief efforts. If the Romney camp organized with one of the many NJ volunteer efforts they could have trucked that stuff right to the shore and organizations there would have gladly taken the items to be dispersed. I know of at least half a dozen people with trucks that make 2-3 trips a day with local donations and all items are gladly accepted.

If anyone is in the south Jersey area and wants to know of a drop off location I can probably find one for you, my wife is on the board of a local non-profit in her spare time and we've been coordinating local relief efforts and donations since the day of the storm.

This is the second or third complaint I've heard centered around the fact that "B-But the Red Cross doesn't want things like that...!"

Who gives a damn? This is nothing but obsessive compulsive arseholery if I may create a new phrase. For all the complaining that liberals do about Republicans going in to knee jerk reaction mode to oppose everything Obama does... They sure seem keen on finding a way to complain about relief supplies being sent to a storm area. What, do they seriously think Obama popped up there only out of the goodness of his heart and never once considered the implications of how he would look this close to the election while evil Romney only did the relief supplies as a shameless photo op?

Also as stated here on Fark we had the "Well he's only sending it to battleground states!", scraping for an excuse to hate monger on Romney. As stated, this showed up in NJ. Anyone think Romney is going to win NJ? Anyone?


If he took the $5000 his campaign spent at Wal-mart the Red-Cross could have gotten food pennies on the dollar and no one would have to inspect it thus cutting costs even further.

The president went there to survey the damage and to see where and how FEMA money could be used in an efficient way. It's called doing his job. Look at it as a performance evaluation.

But government is bad and inefficient right???
2012-11-04 07:04:05 PM
2 votes:

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Katie98_KT: He could have organized a blood drive. Something the red cross specifically said they needed. Many people who are eligible do not give blood, and having a presidental candidate get out there, and donate blood and encourage people to do so might have actually HELPED. Maybe during the campaign rallies he could have the red cross set up donation tents (etc), and have a photo-op of him and his family donating.

That's actually an excellent idea. If he had a competent campaign staff someone might have thought of it.


We already have those it's called the military.
2012-11-04 07:01:02 PM
2 votes:

Katie98_KT: He could have organized a blood drive. Something the red cross specifically said they needed. Many people who are eligible do not give blood, and having a presidental candidate get out there, and donate blood and encourage people to do so might have actually HELPED. Maybe during the campaign rallies he could have the red cross set up donation tents (etc), and have a photo-op of him and his family donating.


That's actually an excellent idea. If he had a competent campaign staff someone might have thought of it.
2012-11-04 06:41:36 PM
2 votes:

dantheman195: Why do we care that a bunch of wealthy people lost their 2nd or 3rd home in a strong windstorm? I mean, Coastal NJ is nothing like New Orleans, you can't even buy a crap shack on the shore for less the $750K or rent one during the summer for less than $5K a week (5K would be cheap) so again, why are we donating items or money to people who have this stuff or even better stuff. Maybe if Romney would send the property owners 100K checks to cover their rental income losts for next year, that might be useful, but jars or peanut butter or mash potato mix, they probably wouldn't eat that crap in the first place.


I have friends who make very little money working for a non profit who lost their office and many lost all their belongings in their cheap as hell off season rentals. So FU. I actually hope you're trolling.
2012-11-04 06:40:33 PM
2 votes:
The Red Cross website also promotes financial contributions and discourages donations of supplies saying the latter "impedes the valuable resources of money, time and personnel."

Did no one on his staff bother to check their web site? Or maybe call and ask ahead of time?


wotthefark: Jesus titty farking christ these people are disorganized and stupid.

Watch them blame the red cross, call it a liberal conspiracy.


Yup. The Red Cross is gonna get the soup kitchen treatment.
2012-11-04 06:36:04 PM
2 votes:

propasaurus: Y'know, it would have been extraordinarily easy for the Romney campaign to have turned this into a huge gain. They could've said: 'In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation in this time of national tragedy, we must all come together and set aside politics for the good of all. Therefore, we are suspending our ad buys for this week and donating that money instead to the Red Cross.'
With as much money as Romney has been raking in, it would've been a blip in their ad budget. Hell, they could've quickly cut a new ad saying that, placed it instead of their usual ads, still kept the ad buys in place, they'd barely feel a pinch in their ad budget and it would've put them ahead of the game.

But, try getting Romney to let go of a dollar to benefit someone else.


To be fair, that could be construed as misusing campaign funds - donors contributed money to his election campaign, not to hurricane relief. It might even be illegal to redirect donations in that way.

I'm not sure there was much Romney could do but suspend his campaign for a few days. Using his own money to make a large, public donation to the relief effort would certainly have been seen as pandering. He could have made a large, private donation that would later be "leaked" to the press, but pulling that off would have required a competent capaign staff. The botched canned food drive was probably the best gesture his inept campaign could come up.
2012-11-04 06:31:36 PM
2 votes:
It shows that Romney is disorganized and clueless but not completely heartless. Pretty much what we all suspected.
2012-11-04 06:20:43 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 400x286]


There is a term for that: Noblesse oblige.

Unfortunately, modern conservatives really don't understand conservatism as a political ideology.
2012-11-04 06:16:27 PM
2 votes:

mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.

It blew up in his face from the perspective. Any idiot was that was impressed by this was voting for him anyways.


I suspect he gained a few votes. In general, anything that gets you press gets you a few votes, and the press has been repeating this crap about him and his stupid canned food drive constantly. Now, if you do something horrible, it often outweighs the name recognition, but I think most people won't look at this as bad, even if he's doing it wrong and almost certainly milking it for votes. Certainly, compare to the votes he would have gained had he NOT held stupid relief events, which would have been zero, he did better.

On the other hand, I don't think he gained any significant number of votes. Certainly not like Obama, who has (IMO) come out of this looking VERY Presidential (and not in the "it's easy to look confident at the debates when you're lying shamelessly way Romney has).
2012-11-04 06:10:06 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.


Not really. According to the reports I heard this morning on the radio, people's response to Romney's response to Sandy has been overwhelmingly negative. Their response to Obama's response has been overwhelmingly positive. Now, natural disaster situations favor the sitting president, but Obama (and the Federal government) did such a good job that he's now got Chris Christie singing his praises.
2012-11-04 06:05:54 PM
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: If only 1 or 2 families benefited from anything dropped off, it is worth it.


What if people suffered due to the distractions from providing actual relief?
2012-11-04 06:05:12 PM
2 votes:

keytronic: Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.

I'm partially in agreement with this. If the Red Cross suddenly finds itself with a rented U haul full of basics....stop whining about it. At the very least, they could decline, give the driver a map of some heavily effected hamlet, and say go give it to these people.

The Red Cross is a valuable organization, but it's elevation to cult-like status is undeserved.


But you also have to admit it's a lot more efficient and cheaper to buy the food and supplies straight from the manufacturer rather than have it go through all the middlemen including the customers who will do shiat like mix up damaged and long expired stuff in their donations.
2012-11-04 05:52:58 PM
2 votes:
And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.
2012-11-04 05:00:51 PM
2 votes:
The Kettering event created a political firestorm when it became public that the Romney campaign spent $5,000 in a local Wal-Mart store Monday night because it feared people wouldn't bring enough to fill the truck being sent to New Jersey, where Republican Gov. Chris Christie is a strong Romney backer. A half-empty truck might not have looked so good in the next day's papers. And Romney needed to be seen not only accepting supplies from individual donors but also loading the truck destined for New Jersey. Ohio's newspapers, including The Enquirer, showed Romney accepting and loading the supplies.

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2012-11-04 04:02:57 PM
2 votes:

mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.

It blew up in his face from the perspective. Any idiot was that was impressed by this was voting for him anyways.


I don't think it blew up in his face. Nobody who donated like that really paid attention after they cleaned out the old food cans from their cabinet.

Anyone who was there that found this out is blaming the "Liberul Media" as obviously one can merely shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.
2012-11-04 03:11:46 PM
2 votes:
asianconservatives.com
www.theblaze.com
2012-11-04 02:53:53 PM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Mitt Romney is not a smart or considerate man.


I'm not even sure about that. He's lived in the equivalent of a Fairy Castle all his life, he has no way of knowing how most people live.
2012-11-04 02:31:24 PM
2 votes:
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2012-11-05 07:58:09 AM
1 votes:

PsiChick: randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.

You ever actually look at a donation box? Not only is it cheaper to buy wholesale, people who donate are sometimes farking morons, and giving some poor shmuck food poisoning because you didn't realize that can of tuna was out of date helps no one.


THIS

I work with the local food-bank, mainly upkeep on freezers/refrigeration (Pro-Bono of course)
I see a lot of what goes on there.

Do you know how many people it takes JUST to sort through donated canned goods, let alone "day-old" bread/unsold baked goods?

Also, I'd like to imagine that someone who wants to be the President can follow basic farking directions.

I see lots of clothing, toys, etc. piled underneath the sign which reads:

Please leave only Canned or Packaged Foods.
Donation bins for clothing, toys, and other non-food items are located in front of
The St. James Lutheran Church Clothes Pantry at **** 4th street

(FYI, it's just around the corner)
2012-11-05 07:20:29 AM
1 votes:

The Lone Gunman: Yeah, just like how a Tea Partier I know (who has two kids by two different women, is on food stamps, lives with his rich parents, and hates the government, but that's another story) who said that Rush Limbaugh has a 'documented' 99.7% accuracy. Normally, I wouldn't have bothered with it, but I was particularly rankled by the word 'documented' so after MUCH pressing, he finally sent me to the site where it was documented.

It was RushLimbaugh.com



Lol puts me in mind of my sister. She's on food stamps,tried to get a disability check,is a rabid Glenn Beck fan,gets most of her from Fox News but at the same time she believes those on public assistance shouldn't get to vote, except her. Apparently since she lived/lives/stores stuff for free at my house while stressing our mother out to the point her blood pressure was so high she could've had a stroke and she had constant panic attacks,being absolutely rude and horrible to everyone who came here while her husband drives a flatbed and she's oh so much better. They're Mormon and she's told me more than once I'm going to hell more than once,she spouts the most hypocritical insane bullshiat but she's no farking better than me. At least I have a place to live and I take care of my mother. I've been there through all the surgeries,doctors appointments,the bills and all that shiat while she does fark all.

/Whoooo rant over sorry.
//Terrible story sis.
2012-11-05 06:16:06 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: Here I sit, drinking my morning coffee out of my Red Cross mug I got by volunteering overseas for the past year, and remembering the couple times in worked with FEMA and Red Cross liaisons over my years as a medic in a very storm-prone metropolitan area, and cannot believe I am reading all these people badmouthing such awesome and hardworking (and relatively efficient) organizations.

Granted, most of these people are trolls, but still. It's disheartening.


If Jesus Christ appeared on television and said he thought Obama was a good family man, and was kind to his dog, they would curse him as an emissary of Satan.
2012-11-05 04:31:47 AM
1 votes:

pciszek: deadcrickets: And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.

We went over this in another thread. Forbes and Charitynavigator.org both say that the American Red Cross is 92% efficient; 92 cents of every dollar they receive goes to providing relief, which is pretty good for an organization of that size. The only charities that do better than that tend to be small, local, and narrower in focus.


And some people also have pointed out that overhead is not a good indicator of how well a charity is run. From a Cracked article (yeah, I know) :
"And when we unwisely favor charities with low overhead, we're actually encouraging them to cut corners. They'll hire unqualified people, run cheaper but unhelpful programs or just flat-out lie about their finances. All of this results in less useful aid -- exactly what analyzing administrative expenses is supposed to avoid."
2012-11-05 03:01:10 AM
1 votes:
The Kettering event created a political firestorm when it became public that the Romney campaign spent $5,000 in a local Wal-Mart store Monday night because it feared people wouldn't bring enough to fill the truck

But don't let that fool you. Romney has faith in the good middle-class American people. Because he says so, but doesn't act it.
2012-11-05 01:42:26 AM
1 votes:

jst3p: shotglasss: Looks like the Red Cross is asking to be boycotted. Fine by me, I can make my blood donations at the CBC which is practically next door to them.

Agency officials told The Enquirer they are grateful for help, but don't want people - including political candidates - sending supplies. They would rather have donations of money and blood

Are you retarded?


Boycotting charities that choose not to cooperate with grandstanding photo-ops would appear to be this week's "Eat a chicken-sandwich if you hate queers" rally.
2012-11-04 10:41:33 PM
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Waldo Pepper: If only 1 or 2 families benefited from anything dropped off, it is worth it.

As compared to the several dozen families that would have benefited if he had just donated the money instead of using this tragedy as a chance for grandstanding.

farking opportunity cost, how does it work?

how do you know he didn't also donate money?


Actually according to TFA he did:
"Romney made a financial contribution to the Red Cross for disaster relief, but his campaign would not say how much."

Amusingly enough it's another item Romney claims to have done and refuses to show/state an amount. Likely asked one of his bus drivers for a $5 bill and tossed it to them.
2012-11-04 10:32:08 PM
1 votes:
The Red Cross shouldn't complain. Win or lose, this is the last time they'll hear from Mitt Romney.
2012-11-04 10:27:33 PM
1 votes:

RevMercutio: Jairzinho: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 850x571][asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
[www.theblaze.com image 620x434]

Is that a "Don't tread on me" flag someone is holding in the middle against the fence? WTF does someone do with such a flag in a farking food drive for storm victims????

Because it was a rebranded campaign rally.


Classy.
2012-11-04 10:16:49 PM
1 votes:

Jairzinho: Is that a "Don't tread on me" flag someone is holding in the middle against the fence? WTF does someone do with such a flag in a farking food drive for storm victims????


They don't know what it means. They dress like the British when they play out their tea party fantasies. At best, they grasp the concept that waving it around means "Ah hate thu librulz!"
2012-11-04 10:05:32 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.


Hey, I have a ton of stuff just waiting to get to the East Coast. I'm on the west coast. What's wrong with those stupid east coast people that they don't accept my donations?

And I love how you made this about the Red Cross rather than the craven, pathetic, utterly phony and disgusting way R$ tried to parley his photo op into a charade of "caring." Hilarious. Glad you got your priorities straight.
2012-11-04 09:41:52 PM
1 votes:

Harry_Seldon: kpaxoid: Speaking of whom, where the heck is Ryan?

He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.


Ryan has been so poorly received, and manages to lose supporters every time he speaks, so they have been keeping him under wraps and limiting his exposure. He was in Green Bay today visiting with Packers tailgaters where he was not very will received either, but it was not well covered by the press so no harm done.
2012-11-04 09:32:29 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.


You ever actually look at a donation box? Not only is it cheaper to buy wholesale, people who donate are sometimes farking morons, and giving some poor shmuck food poisoning because you didn't realize that can of tuna was out of date helps no one.

Also, I'd like to imagine that someone who wants to be the President can follow basic farking directions.
2012-11-04 09:23:40 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: shotglasss: Looks like the Red Cross is asking to be boycotted. Fine by me, I can make my blood donations at the CBC which is practically next door to them.

Agency officials told The Enquirer they are grateful for help, but don't want people - including political candidates - sending supplies. They would rather have donations of money and blood

Are you retarded?


Don't worry about it. He was never planning on donating blood anyway. It's like an obese guy threatening to boycott the gym.
2012-11-04 09:21:41 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: Looks like the Red Cross is asking to be boycotted. Fine by me, I can make my blood donations at the CBC which is practically next door to them.


Agency officials told The Enquirer they are grateful for help, but don't want people - including political candidates - sending supplies. They would rather have donations of money and blood


Are you retarded?
2012-11-04 09:13:27 PM
1 votes:

kpaxoid: Speaking of whom, where the heck is Ryan?


He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.
2012-11-04 09:09:26 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Decatur Utilities


Decatur Utilities later issued a statement on Friday that said: "To be clear, at no time were our crews 'turned away' from the utility in Seaside Heights."

Link
2012-11-04 09:08:08 PM
1 votes:
I read a story the other day that said about 60% of the stuff donated after disasters was either useless, or just plain trash. Somehow that doesn't surprise me. People, cleaning out your garage doesn't count as "helping out after a disaster."
2012-11-04 09:08:05 PM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: Scumbag Romney Holds Fake Sandy Hurricane Relief (NSFW Language)


That was worth watching. Thanks.

/goddamn
//donated money already; donating blood after elections
2012-11-04 09:06:02 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.

It blew up in his face from the perspective. Any idiot was that was impressed by this was voting for him anyways.

I don't think it blew up in his face. Nobody who donated like that really paid attention after they cleaned out the old food cans from their cabinet.

Anyone who was there that found this out is blaming the "Liberul Media" as obviously one can merely shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.

He purchased $5,000 worth of stuff that Red Cross specifically said they didn't want the day before and had had people pretending to donate the goods load it in the back of the truck. This is just as pathetic as Ryan cleaning the clean pots and pans at the soup kitchen.


Speaking of whom, where the heck is Ryan?
2012-11-04 09:00:50 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Genevieve Marie: skullkrusher: that snopes article basically says it did happen, more or less. They weren't turned away, they just never got there because they received information that they'd have to join the union to help out.


No, the Snopes article says that no one was turned away, but that one crew turned back and went home before they arrived due to confusion about what was going on.

That's a completely different scenario than the malicious one that's been circulating in right wing media.

The utility even released a statement to the effect that they received info that implied they'd need to join the union when they arrived. The further implication being they would not have been allowed to help out had they not done so. No, no one was turned away because they went home before they could be turned away.


FROM the AP and the actual crews:
HUNTSVILLE, Ala., Nov. 2 (UPI) -- Three Alabama utility companies Friday denied reports their crews weren't permitted to help restore power in New Jersey because the workers were non-union.

Several conservative media organizations -- including Fox News and the Drudge Report -- picked up a story from an Alabama TV station that crews from Huntsville Utilities and Joe Wheeler Electrical Membership Corp. weren't allowed to help with electrical service restoration in New Jersey because they don't belong to a union.

A third Alabama utility, Decatur Utilities, said its employees were asked to affiliate with a union before starting to work on the power restoration in the aftermath of superstorm Sandy, AL.com reported.

Huntsville Utilities spokes Bill Yell said nine of his company's employees were working in New Jersey.

"That's a rumor," he said of the report that workers who traveled to New Jersey to help out were being turned away.

Joe Wheeler EMC said on its website reports that its workers were turned away from Hurricane Sandy relief efforts "are not true."

"Joe Wheeler EMC was never commissioned to go to New Jersey or New York," the company said. "Instead, JWEMC sent eight linemen to Denton, Maryland, to help out Choptank Electric Cooperative."

The statement said JWEMC crews were returning to Alabama from Maryland.

"Joe Wheeler EMC employees are members of The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - Local 558 union," the company said. "Any reports that claim JWEMC is not unionized are false."

Yell and JWEMC spokeswoman Mandi Phillips told AL.com they have been swamped with media inquiries following reports of the matter on cable channels, including Fox News and CNN, as well as in several New Jersey newspapers.

Yell noted that in cases where crews are sent to other states to help in emergencies, "it's not a situation where everybody jumps in truck and heads up there. You have to work through trade associations. You have mutual-aid agreements and you've got to find a system that needs you and is able to take you."

He said not all electric systems use the same voltage and technical configurations.



Read more: Link
2012-11-04 08:43:45 PM
1 votes:

pciszek: deadcrickets: And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.

We went over this in another thread. Forbes and Charitynavigator.org both say that the American Red Cross is 92% efficient; 92 cents of every dollar they receive goes to providing relief, which is pretty good for an organization of that size. The only charities that do better than that tend to be small, local, and narrower in focus.


I thought I'd show this again, so that it's clear that it is a defunct talking point by the Right.
2012-11-04 08:37:31 PM
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas:

The fault with your logic is that Romney and his campaign gave one single fark over the relief effort aspect of their campaign rally. The entire thing was an excuse to hold a rally in Ohio to remain in the news. I'm only amazed they didn't just drop the stuff in a dumpster the second the cameras were put away.

Genevieve Marie: That's the thing: he understood perfectly that this wasn't helping. He's not a stupid man. I give him enough credit to recognize that he knows how large organizations run and how distribution works.

This was just a particularly crass photo op.


I know, I really should stop trying to see the goodness in everyone and bring my inner cynic out.
2012-11-04 08:37:23 PM
1 votes:
Add "Red Cross" to the List of threats to conservatism.
2012-11-04 08:32:46 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Genevieve Marie: Also, Mitt Romney's not dumb. He understands all of this. A really good supply chain is what companies like Staples are built on.

That's the thing that baffles me.

He screwed up with some of the most basic stuff here:

1. He didn't bother to see if the Red Cross wanted the stuff and just assumed that they did.
2. He didn't think of any alternate organizations that would want all of the stuff after finding out the Red Cross didn't want it.

And this is who the GOP thinks would make a great president?

These are farkups a middle school organizations would've avoided.


That's the thing: he understood perfectly that this wasn't helping. He's not a stupid man. I give him enough credit to recognize that he knows how large organizations run and how distribution works.

This was just a particularly crass photo op.
2012-11-04 08:29:34 PM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: Also, Mitt Romney's not dumb. He understands all of this. A really good supply chain is what companies like Staples are built on.


That's the thing that baffles me.

He screwed up with some of the most basic stuff here:

1. He didn't bother to see if the Red Cross wanted the stuff and just assumed that they did.
2. He didn't think of any alternate organizations that would want all of the stuff after finding out the Red Cross didn't want it.

And this is who the GOP thinks would make a great president?

These are farkups a middle school organizations would've avoided.
2012-11-04 08:26:34 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I have friends who make very little money working for a non profit who lost their office and many lost all their belongings in their cheap as hell off season rentals. So FU. I actually hope you're trolling.


AOL. Lots of New Jersey got it, so there is no shortage of genuine suffering and homelessness. I agree that barrier islands should be used only for recreation, and abandoned when a hurricane is on the way--which appears to have been the case for many of them.
2012-11-04 08:21:02 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The main reason the Red Cross doesn't handle food and clothes and stuff like that is that there are already smaller, local organizations that DO handle that...and they apply to the Red Cross for grant money to do their thing. The Red Cross mostly doesn't set up the soup kitchens and food banks themselves; they coordinate with smaller local branches and agencies that are already in place. That's why sending them bales of used clothing and old food doesn't help them--they have to centralize it, and then ship it out to their subsidiaries, and the local nonprofits who apply to them for grants and supplies.

You can cry all you want about how their CEOs and board of directors get six-figure salaries; but its because of them that satellite agencies and affiliates have money to spend and supplies to hand out during disasters; because the Red Cross is able to decentralize at the drop of a hat--unlike the FEMA response we saw during Katrina, when there was no CEO or board to speak of and everything was located in Washington. The Red Cross exists as a corporation so that, in a crisis, the board can call the New York office and say "Go get what you need, the money is on the way." And so that other agencies even exist because they have money already because they have a little tag in the corner of their sign that says "a Red Cross affiliate." That's how this works.


Yeah, but they made a Republican look bad so "off with their heads!"
2012-11-04 08:18:01 PM
1 votes:

IronTom: Just like the IBEW turning away helpers that did not sign up for their unions.


I heard about that and thought that was dickish.

This is nothing like that though, no matter how much you want it to be.
2012-11-04 07:36:48 PM
1 votes:

dahmers love zombie: Waldo Pepper: If only 1 or 2 families benefited from anything dropped off, it is worth it.

I always wondered if you were troll or real. Thanks for clearing that up in one sentence.


I don't get it. That's a real sentiment. Just like 'I'm doing the Lord's work by giving away my expired unwanteds' is a real sentiment. Romney was playing to the churchy folks, not trying to enlighten people. Stuff like that works, and many people will feel the same way as Waldo in the end.

Since Rmoney is a bishop who is used to doing the feudal lord 'i have control over this and this is what you'll get from my stores for coming to me in your time need' crap, maybe this is the one time he was 'sincere' and doing shiat the only way he knew how to do it, because it's how he's always done it. And that's even with the fake volunteers loading goods they didn't buy, pretending that they did.

/Salvation Army needs more love
//RC gets no money from me
///knows exactly why people still insist on giving canned goods no matter how often they're told not to
2012-11-04 07:35:43 PM
1 votes:

wotthefark: He could have taken it as a deduction on his taxes.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH *snort* HAHAHAHAA!!! Taxes?
Does anyone believe that clown pays taxes?
2012-11-04 07:10:06 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: spelletrader: They didn't whine about anything. They merely stated that they prefer donations of money and blood, but do not refuse any donations, this blogger is the one making a big deal out of it.

On another note, the Red Cross is not the only agency working on relief efforts. If the Romney camp organized with one of the many NJ volunteer efforts they could have trucked that stuff right to the shore and organizations there would have gladly taken the items to be dispersed. I know of at least half a dozen people with trucks that make 2-3 trips a day with local donations and all items are gladly accepted.

If anyone is in the south Jersey area and wants to know of a drop off location I can probably find one for you, my wife is on the board of a local non-profit in her spare time and we've been coordinating local relief efforts and donations since the day of the storm.

This is the second or third complaint I've heard centered around the fact that "B-But the Red Cross doesn't want things like that...!"

Who gives a damn? This is nothing but obsessive compulsive arseholery if I may create a new phrase. For all the complaining that liberals do about Republicans going in to knee jerk reaction mode to oppose everything Obama does... They sure seem keen on finding a way to complain about relief supplies being sent to a storm area. What, do they seriously think Obama popped up there only out of the goodness of his heart and never once considered the implications of how he would look this close to the election while evil Romney only did the relief supplies as a shameless photo op?

Also as stated here on Fark we had the "Well he's only sending it to battleground states!", scraping for an excuse to hate monger on Romney. As stated, this showed up in NJ. Anyone think Romney is going to win NJ? Anyone?


It's not a complaint, it's a suggestion. There are other charities, quit it with the idiotic faux outrage you blithering dipshiat.
2012-11-04 06:55:20 PM
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Gosling: Uh oh, Red Cross. Now the Tea Party is going to try and drive the Red Cross out of business. I hope you're happy.


Wait til they find out about the Red Crescent!
2012-11-04 06:54:03 PM
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GAT_00: But I was told Mitt Romney cared so much about helping people.


Yeah, just like how a Tea Partier I know (who has two kids by two different women, is on food stamps, lives with his rich parents, and hates the government, but that's another story) who said that Rush Limbaugh has a 'documented' 99.7% accuracy. Normally, I wouldn't have bothered with it, but I was particularly rankled by the word 'documented' so after MUCH pressing, he finally sent me to the site where it was documented.

It was RushLimbaugh.com
2012-11-04 06:46:30 PM
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plewis: It shows that Romney is disorganized and clueless but not completely heartless. Pretty much what we all suspected.


What about this implies he's anything but heartless? He got a photo-op out of this and still managed to make it useless to the charity involved. Like Ryan scrubbing already washed pans at a soup kitchen after everyone has already left.
2012-11-04 06:44:10 PM
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AbbeySomeone: Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.

Be kind. He has no clue how one is supposed to show compassion or help.
He should have taken all that crap to the foodbank.


Well, it's not crap. Romney paid good money for that canned spinach. But, I agree with your common sense. If Romney does charity, it's all about what Romney thinks he gains.

Unlike that cynical Romney, here in the South Bay we had the CEO of Cisco showing how a business guy can contribute to, not hinder relief efforts. Chambers is helping a drive that aims to raise $12.4 million and distribute 2 million pounds of food in Santa Clara County. Unlike Romney, he's not alone. The food bank drive is actively supported by San Francisco 49er players, And here is a link Link
2012-11-04 06:38:00 PM
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Mitt Romneys Tax Return: propasaurus: Y'know, it would have been extraordinarily easy for the Romney campaign to have turned this into a huge gain. They could've said: 'In the spirit of bipartisan cooperation in this time of national tragedy, we must all come together and set aside politics for the good of all. Therefore, we are suspending our ad buys for this week and donating that money instead to the Red Cross.'
With as much money as Romney has been raking in, it would've been a blip in their ad budget. Hell, they could've quickly cut a new ad saying that, placed it instead of their usual ads, still kept the ad buys in place, they'd barely feel a pinch in their ad budget and it would've put them ahead of the game.

But, try getting Romney to let go of a dollar to benefit someone else.

To be fair, that could be construed as misusing campaign funds - donors contributed money to his election campaign, not to hurricane relief. It might even be illegal to redirect donations in that way.

I'm not sure there was much Romney could do but suspend his campaign for a few days. Using his own money to make a large, public donation to the relief effort would certainly have been seen as pandering. He could have made a large, private donation that would later be "leaked" to the press, but pulling that off would have required a competent capaign staff. The botched canned food drive was probably the best gesture his inept campaign could come up.


He could have taken it as a deduction on his taxes.
2012-11-04 06:36:07 PM
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Jesus titty farking christ these people are disorganized and stupid.

Watch them blame the red cross, call it a liberal conspiracy.
2012-11-04 06:10:05 PM
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Why do we care that a bunch of wealthy people lost their 2nd or 3rd home in a strong windstorm? I mean, Coastal NJ is nothing like New Orleans, you can't even buy a crap shack on the shore for less the $750K or rent one during the summer for less than $5K a week (5K would be cheap) so again, why are we donating items or money to people who have this stuff or even better stuff. Maybe if Romney would send the property owners 100K checks to cover their rental income losts for next year, that might be useful, but jars or peanut butter or mash potato mix, they probably wouldn't eat that crap in the first place.
2012-11-04 06:08:36 PM
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12349876: keytronic: Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.

I'm partially in agreement with this. If the Red Cross suddenly finds itself with a rented U haul full of basics....stop whining about it. At the very least, they could decline, give the driver a map of some heavily effected hamlet, and say go give it to these people.

The Red Cross is a valuable organization, but it's elevation to cult-like status is undeserved.

But you also have to admit it's a lot more efficient and cheaper to buy the food and supplies straight from the manufacturer rather than have it go through all the middlemen including the customers who will do shiat like mix up damaged and long expired stuff in their donations.


Over the long term, absolutely. But, as I said. If this is such an inconvenience for the Red Cross, they should have sent the truck to some location they knew was underserved and said, go give it to them. Instead they accept the goods) which were brand new and biatch about them.
2012-11-04 06:06:23 PM
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randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.



I agree. But Mitt Romney is still a pandering fool. $5000. He effectively gave about 5 seconds worth of what he spends on ad-time nationally.
2012-11-04 06:06:09 PM
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Rabbitgod: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
[www.theblaze.com image 620x434]

The difference is that one is pretending to give a shait, while the other was actually a tank commander at one point.


one of Ripley's Bad Guys: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
[www.theblaze.com image 620x434]

of course Mr. Dukakis was actually an army officer at one time in his life...


Yes, but sadly the Narrative of Dems=chickenshiat little girls made this photo op a bad thing.
2012-11-04 06:04:15 PM
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This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.
2012-11-04 06:03:45 PM
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ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
[www.theblaze.com image 620x434]


of course Mr. Dukakis was actually an army officer at one time in his life...
2012-11-04 06:03:19 PM
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Smeggy Smurf: The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.


Someone already posted a link above explaining why you're a dumbass.
2012-11-04 06:01:29 PM
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dahmers love zombie: The Kettering event created a political firestorm when it became public that the Romney campaign spent $5,000 in a local Wal-Mart store Monday night because it feared people wouldn't bring enough to fill the truck being sent to New Jersey, where Republican Gov. Chris Christie is a strong Romney backer. A half-empty truck might not have looked so good in the next day's papers. And Romney needed to be seen not only accepting supplies from individual donors but also loading the truck destined for New Jersey. Ohio's newspapers, including The Enquirer, showed Romney accepting and loading the supplies.

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I think McCain's assessment of Romney as found in the pages of "Game Change" remains pretty darn accurate.

"McCain routinely called Romney an 'a$$hole' and a 'f!@#%ng phony'" in private."

He an obvious phony who's also more than a bit of an asshole.

[donotwant]
2012-11-04 06:00:56 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Much like She Who Shall Remain Nameless, I really can't wait for the election to be over so he can fark off back to wherever the hell he comes from and never darken our lives again.


Good luck with that, biatch was famous for a solid 3 years
2012-11-04 05:54:17 PM
1 votes:
The Red Cross can't steal material goods and enrich the head pukes. That's why they want money instead of consumables and blankets.

Fark the Red Cross.
2012-11-04 05:14:09 PM
1 votes:

m3000: Why food drives and things like what Romney did aren't actually that helpful


great article! thanks !!
2012-11-04 04:40:53 PM
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The guy who thinks it's a pretty good idea to try to privatize emergency management totally doesn't get what the RC is, does or needs?

My surprised face...
2012-11-04 04:10:12 PM
1 votes:
Much like She Who Shall Remain Nameless, I really can't wait for the election to be over so he can fark off back to wherever the hell he comes from and never darken our lives again.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: [asianconservatives.com image 620x460]
[www.theblaze.com image 620x434]


He's had so many "Dukakis in the tank" moments, they've had to retire the phrase. In fact, to raise money for storm relief, we should tie Mitt Romney to a post and let Michael Dukakis cockpunch him for an hour. $10 a punch for 60 minutes.
2012-11-04 03:56:19 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.


It blew up in his face from the perspective. Any idiot was that was impressed by this was voting for him anyways.
2012-11-04 03:44:36 PM
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But as showboating goes, it's very effective for Romney.
2012-11-04 03:29:07 PM
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"like" even... stupid fingers...
2012-11-04 02:56:48 PM
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One of the better jokes on the SNL WU last night was Mitt Romney giving Seth Meyers a "canned good," waiting for the photo flash, then taking it back.
2012-11-04 02:13:34 PM
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