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2012-11-04 05:54:25 PM  
5 votes:

evoke: Biology has nothing to do with gender.


media.moddb.com
2012-11-04 06:00:30 PM  
3 votes:

Skyred: evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.

What? Biology has everything to do with gender.


Welcome to Gender Studies 101.

Your first essay is "Why Common Sense and Scientific Fact are Tools of the Oppressive Hegemonic Kyriarchy". 5000 words; due on Friday.
2012-11-04 09:14:06 PM  
2 votes:
As a man all I have to say is I'm okay with 45 year old transformer using the ladies locker room.

\Seriously Totally okay.
2012-11-04 07:06:33 PM  
2 votes:

ElBarto79: What I find odd is the conflict here - biologically she is male, it would be reasonable to require her to use the mens locker room, however this might make her embarrassed and uncomfortable since she identifies as female. Therefore they allow her to use the womens locker room, which makes her comfortable but makes a bunch of little kids, and probably some adults, very uncomfortable. So why does her right to comfort trump that of a bunch of little kids? Would it really be so horrible to request she use the mens locker room, or a towel, until such time as she has gender reassignment surgery? What about a little girl who has been molested by a man and might reasonably be distraught at the sight of a penis? Are you going to look her in the eye and tell her she simply needs to grow up and deal with it, accept that not all women look like her?

What if I am simply a horny perv, biologically male, who dresses and acts like a man, but claims to identify as female, could I then legally use the women locker room? Hey who are you to tell me what a woman looks and dresses like right? If I say I'm a woman then that's the end of it, I don't need to dress or act a certain way.


Because she's special and she's outraged; that makes her "right" and everyone else "wrong".
2012-11-04 06:45:28 PM  
2 votes:

Repo Man: How about everyone who has a penis, but is transgendered, and is taking female hormones which have made them grow breasts, and have shrunk said penis down to trivial (and non functioning) proportions? Would these conditions satisfy you?


Of course! Why didn't I think of that! How trivial it would be to ensure that only those people who met your conditions use a woman's change room!

The best thing is that I'm a fat, ugly, son of a biatch with a tiny penis... I'm sure my moobs could pass as breasts! By your conditions, I'd still be allowed in the woman's changing room to ogle to my heart's content!

/ no really, it's part of the process... I need to massage it like this until it falls off!
2012-11-04 06:05:41 PM  
2 votes:
This dude deserves the mandom medal of honor. I would totally enroll in a class if I could get a VIP pass to the local colleges' female locker room!

The dude is a ROCK STAR!
2012-11-04 05:52:17 PM  
2 votes:
If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...
2012-11-04 05:46:30 PM  
2 votes:
This woman sounds like a bit of a dick.
2012-11-04 05:40:23 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Potatoass: Have a penis? Use the Men's locker room.
Don't have a penis? Use the Women's locker room.
Have a penis and tits? Stay out of locker rooms.


It would be even more simple to remove the apparently slippery gender identifications from the locker rooms themselves. Instead of Men's and Women's locker rooms, you would have a locker room for the Penised and another for the Non-Penised. Easy. Imagine the easy to read graphics on the doors.
2012-11-04 05:34:14 PM  
2 votes:
Have a penis? Use the Men's locker room.
Don't have a penis? Use the Women's locker room.
Have a penis and tits? Stay out of locker rooms.
2012-11-04 05:33:15 PM  
2 votes:
FTA : 45-year-old college student

Get on with your life already.

Transgenders dont bother me in the least. Suspended adolescents however...
2012-11-04 05:30:38 PM  
2 votes:

epoch_destroi: She identifies and has been living as a woman. She is a woman, okay?

--and I just want to throw out there that somehow, just somehow, I don't think that seeing a woman who was born with a wang is going to permanently alter people using a friggin' locker room.

But hey, maybe I'm just not irrationally terrified of trans people or penises.


How'd yer under-10 swim meet go Susie? Oh, terribly? Because you caught a big hairy cock flopping out of some lace panties? I can't sympathize with you Susie, chicks have dicks. Grow the fark up.
2012-11-04 05:26:42 PM  
2 votes:
So if I change my name to Debbie and wear dresses I can jerk it to naked women in their locker room?
2012-11-04 05:22:10 PM  
2 votes:
Welcome to Romney's America.
2012-11-05 01:21:48 AM  
1 vote:

crabsno termites: What about a trans man who still has a vagina, but no longer has breasts and is sporting a lot of body and facial hair? Where does he go?

Ummmm - ask Jerry Falwell?


Im all for having seperate bathrooms,
Men,
Women,
transformers and Jerry Falwell.
2012-11-04 10:42:26 PM  
1 vote:

crabsno termites: austerity101:

What about a trans man who still has a vagina, but no longer has breasts and is sporting a lot of body and facial hair? Where does he go?

Ummmm - ask Jerry Falwell?

/Sorry
//Was hanging too low not to pick.


Falwell is dead. He died and went to hell. For eating so much Virginia ham sandwiches that he began to look pig faced---not kosher.
2012-11-04 09:34:50 PM  
1 vote:

Buzzerguy: A transwoman is a woman.


Then your distinction is unnecessary. And yet somehow you thought it would be.

She uses women's facilities.

Sitting down to pee doesn't make you a woman.
2012-11-04 08:19:00 PM  
1 vote:

austerity101: "I'm uncomfortable being around people of another sex" is not a reasonable argument for forced segregation.


Make that argument after forcing your way into a rape crisis center, then let us know how well it's received.

/Trigger warning!
2012-11-04 08:03:57 PM  
1 vote:
Wow, this one has me conflicted.
On one hand, I absolutely would not want my young daughter changing and showering with a penised individual.
On the other, I might very well be willing to call myself Sally in order to gain access to a college women's locker room.
I think I'll just toddle off to the safety of the politics tab and try not to think about it.
2012-11-04 07:58:55 PM  
1 vote:

orbister: austerity101: You solved your own problem there. People don't want their kids exposed, so they don't bring them to nude beaches. Similarly, if they don't want them exposed to in a locker room, the solution is to keep them from going to that locker room.

The world doesn't have to accommodate you because things around you offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. The onus is on you to avoid those things in the world, not on the world to change to make you feel better.

By the same token, women have no right to get upset if a man walks into the women's changing room, pulls down his trousers, and starts masturbating. They have no right not to be offended, and if they are offended they can and should simply go elsewhere.

Right?


Wrong, because that's indecent exposure at the very least and is therefore a completely separate issue.

This woman was not assaulting anyone or behaving in a lewd or sexual manner. Non-issue.
2012-11-04 07:49:14 PM  
1 vote:

austerity101: WhippingBoy: austerity101: oren0: Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.

Tell you what: find 10 fathers of girls aged 5-10. Ask them how they'd feel about their daughters changing in front of naked men every day after swim practice. How many do you think would be OK with this? Fark may be a bastion of acceptance and liberal thought, but most people in the US don't feel this way. How many people take their kids to nude beaches?

You solved your own problem there. People don't want their kids exposed, so they don't bring them to nude beaches. Similarly, if they don't want them exposed to in a locker room, the solution is to keep them from going to that locker room.

The world doesn't have to accommodate you because things around you offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. The onus is on you to avoid those things in the world, not on the world to change to make you feel better.

That's not what this trans-gendered person thinks...

This woman isn't asking anything of anyone other than for people not to be jerks. That is generally a reasonable expectation for everyone on earth. What they are asking of her is far less reasonable.


Hey, a wise person once said, "The world doesn't have to accommodate you because things around you offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. The onus is on you to avoid those things in the world, not on the world to change to make you feel better." This applies to this woman as well...
2012-11-04 07:47:54 PM  
1 vote:
Oh for crying out loud. Fark you Judeo-Christianity... fark you. We really need to get over this sheer terror we have of bodies.

oren0:
There is no reason for her to walk around with her cock out for extended periods of time, especially with children around. Men shouldn't do that around children in the men's locker room either.

That said, I have to post a link to an oh-so-relevant Oatmeal comic.
2012-11-04 07:33:08 PM  
1 vote:

austerity101: oren0: Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.

Tell you what: find 10 fathers of girls aged 5-10. Ask them how they'd feel about their daughters changing in front of naked men every day after swim practice. How many do you think would be OK with this? Fark may be a bastion of acceptance and liberal thought, but most people in the US don't feel this way. How many people take their kids to nude beaches?

You solved your own problem there. People don't want their kids exposed, so they don't bring them to nude beaches. Similarly, if they don't want them exposed to in a locker room, the solution is to keep them from going to that locker room.

The world doesn't have to accommodate you because things around you offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. The onus is on you to avoid those things in the world, not on the world to change to make you feel better.


So parents who don't want their six-year-old daughters seeing penises can't let them go into a women's locker room or sauna?
2012-11-04 07:31:57 PM  
1 vote:

evoke: Another discrimination against transgendered people is that they are not allowed to strip search people of the same identified gender as them. And if they're being strip searched themselves they (usually) can't request that a person of the same identified gender as them performs the search.


I have no sympathy for fascist TSA transformers. They can feel my junk in line with all their freedom hating buddies.

The other scenario, that's a bummer.
2012-11-04 07:30:57 PM  
1 vote:

austerity101: oren0: Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.

Tell you what: find 10 fathers of girls aged 5-10. Ask them how they'd feel about their daughters changing in front of naked men every day after swim practice. How many do you think would be OK with this? Fark may be a bastion of acceptance and liberal thought, but most people in the US don't feel this way. How many people take their kids to nude beaches?

You solved your own problem there. People don't want their kids exposed, so they don't bring them to nude beaches. Similarly, if they don't want them exposed to in a locker room, the solution is to keep them from going to that locker room.

The world doesn't have to accommodate you because things around you offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. The onus is on you to avoid those things in the world, not on the world to change to make you feel better.


That's not what this trans-gendered person thinks...
2012-11-04 07:21:11 PM  
1 vote:

ElBarto79: At what point does someone say "enough!".


At the point where we still build separate locker rooms. What a fraking waste of space and endorsement of gender discrimination. Get this 17th-century "separate but equal" crap out of our public institutions.

Plus what you're suggesting is a separate locker room not based on gender but based on ugly. Which sounds like a good idea, until you realize that you'll be in the ugly room...
2012-11-04 07:15:48 PM  
1 vote:

evoke: bmunroe: Call me weird, but I would feel uncomfortable if someone with male genitals showed up in a women's locker room. I couldn't be the only one who feels this way. While I can't imagine someone pretending to be a transsexual just to gawk in the women's locker room, I still feel strange about a cock in the hen house. Then again, I think it's weird that opposite-sex reporters are allowed in locker rooms after games.

You find it weird because you've been taught that sex means gender. Fact is that any male looking person you encounter might in fact be a woman. There's no way you can tell by someone's appearance which gender they identify as. Therefore you should not call someone "him or her" before you know what gender identification that person has. 

The woman in the article has every right to be in the women's locker room because she is every bit as much of a woman as you are.


I can see the only choice on voting is either with the Smartest or Funniest, Stupidest voting option is missing, unlike the dudes penis
2012-11-04 06:59:49 PM  
1 vote:
A 17 year old girl saw a penis.

It must be the apocalypse.
2012-11-04 06:58:39 PM  
1 vote:

soundguy: WhippingBoy: soundguy: WhippingBoy: How much societal effort should be expend to accomodate those who fall into an extreme edge case category?

------

It has nothing to do with accommodating edge cases. It has everything to do with getting the vast majority of the population to shut the fark up about their "morality issues" based in their rigid, sexually-repressed upbringing. If the problem simply doesn't exist any more, no one has to listen to their constant biatching about how the edge cases are destroying the fabric of civilization.

Why should the majority shut the fark up? They are, after all, the majority.

/democracy sucks!

------

You know who else liked to repress minorities?


Exactly. Requesting that someone with a penis use a male change room is exactly the same as mass genocide. You're the smartest person on the internets!
2012-11-04 06:48:28 PM  
1 vote:

the_chief: Welcome to Romney's America.


Actually, it's welcome to an America where everybody is a protected class now. Everyone has their own snowflake feelings, and you must abide by my feelings or feel my hurt victim feelings. Personally, if I had a daughter in that locker room, that guy (girl, sorry) wouldn't have his junk left after I got done giving him a beatdown.

It doesn't matter that he identifies as female. He said he's attracted to females. Those facts coupled with the fact that he still has his junk, and I can tell you that Evergreen will have a huge lawsuit on their hands. Hope that Political Correctness works out for them when they have to pay off said lawsuits.
2012-11-04 06:40:42 PM  
1 vote:
What about women with giant roast beef meat curtains flapping about?
Aint nobody got time for that.
2012-11-04 06:37:23 PM  
1 vote:
Isn't it against the law for a 45 year old man to expose himself to teenage girls? Why isn't he being arrested and charged as a sex offender? If I went to my gym, entered the women's locker room and then stripped down and sat in their sauna with my wang hanging out, I'm fairly certain that is what would happen to me...

Officer: "Sir, you are under arrest."

Me: "No, it's cool, I think of myself as a woman."

Officer: "Oh, very well then Sir - that is, Ma'am. Please carry on."
2012-11-04 06:31:56 PM  
1 vote:

jimw: Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals.


www.superpoop.com
2012-11-04 06:28:38 PM  
1 vote:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: But don't wave your cock around in the womens locker room.


But then its like you're not really allowed to use the women's locker room at all
2012-11-04 06:23:03 PM  
1 vote:

jimw: Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals. Lets face it. We all have genitals, one or the other, or both. Everybody of every age has seen them, either on humans or on other animals. They are just part of our physical anatomy like hands, fingers, feet, etc. Humans associating them with sex every time we see them or refer to them is culture association. If they were not considered so "private" then the taboos would disappear. It is about time we taught our children that sex is just not only about or limited exclusively to our reproductive organs. Its more, our should be more than that. It should be about relationships, feelings, and higher level emotional responses and that sex is the sum total of all of this, not just entwining our organs. It is past time we should be embarrassed about our anatomy. If displaying it becomes the norm, they all the excitement of casually seeing it will disappear. Given that pregnancy and babies are direct results of sexual relationships, why do not people get sexually aroused when seeing these examples of it? It is because they represent the norm and nothing special as it relates to sexual relationships.

It is time we, as a culture grew up. Forget separate facilities entirely. There is nothing sexual about expelling excrement, getting clean or changing clothes. Clothing should be a matter of protection and climate along with what is event appropriate. Going nude to a dinner party or a conference would not be appropriate unless such a dress code was stated. There are many instances that clothing enhances sexual interest than detracts from it. Wear what is appropriate for the time, environment, or event. Going nude regularly every place you go is just as inappropriate as being completely covered up from head to toe with polar fleece in an Amazon rain forest with the temperature over 100 degrees and the humidity at 95 percent. All I am saying is that after thousands ...



Perhaps you'd be happier living in France.
2012-11-04 06:15:05 PM  
1 vote:

Mr. Potatoass: Have a penis and tits? Stay out of locker rooms.


No, it's $6.99 a minute for a private webshow.

And they've put up privacy curtains in the locker room because this person doesn't have meat curtains.

What this person might look like:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
2012-11-04 06:13:26 PM  
1 vote:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yes, by disagreeing on one issue, I hat all dissimilar persons. You've got me there.


I am unconcerned about your hat.

But you can't say you're as pro-Trans as possible and also say that trans people should be denied the facilities appropriate to their gender because somebody might see the wrong genitals. Or that such people should be forced behind a wall when other people are not. Or that someone is "trans" simply because he or she says so to get a look at members of the opposite sex, which is the most insulting and infuriating thing I've read here today.

A transwoman is a woman. She uses women's facilities. People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.

/equal means equal
2012-11-04 06:12:26 PM  
1 vote:

rockforever: HelenLoveJoy.jpg

please!


hellzya.org
2012-11-04 06:08:41 PM  
1 vote:

wallywam1: jetzzfan: Just have locker rooms that are by genetics.

You have a Y chromosome, you change in one locker room.

You don't have a Y chromosome, you change in the other locker room.

What if someone is XXY, has developed breasts, and has no external genitalia?


Well, then she's a witch.
2012-11-04 06:07:57 PM  
1 vote:
Also, for all of you out there screaming about surgery...who should pay for it?

Let's take your argument seriously, that no matter how much a woman someone is, we cannot recognize it until she has her accident of birth removed.

Will this surgery be available to all, regardless of income and insurance?

If not, how do you justify treating only those women with enough money to get the surgery as women, and not those who cannot afford it? Rights shouldn't be based on what you can and cannot afford.
2012-11-04 06:07:02 PM  
1 vote:
I'm wanting to get in touch with my feminine side..and your daughter's.

/giggity
2012-11-04 06:05:04 PM  
1 vote:

KrispyKritter: oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?

in the perfect world scenario people would be able to be naked among each other, sex or age regardless. i think it goes astray when people start associating sexuality with nudity, or shame, or whatever else may cloud a clear thinking mind. people are raised different ways with different ideas and beliefs, so it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly.

that's why not everyone goes to the nudist colony / beaches.


But people whose ideas and beliefs are different than mine are wrong. Why should I make any attempt whatsoever to respect them?
2012-11-04 06:03:27 PM  
1 vote:

epoch_destroi: But nobody gets to jerk it in locker rooms-- not men, not women.


Now who's being naive?
2012-11-04 05:50:07 PM  
1 vote:
I banned a woman-identifying transgendered male (and deaf as well!) from the college pool for doing exactly this after i told him not to... school backed me up.
2012-11-04 05:48:44 PM  
1 vote:

evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.


^^^THIS
2012-11-04 05:40:06 PM  
1 vote:
Apparently the bigots are out in force today. Shouldn't you people be out oppressing someone?
2012-11-04 05:38:29 PM  
1 vote:

mediablitz: A lot of older people returning to college.


Im sure that Gender Studies degree will carry her right to the moon.
2012-11-04 05:36:59 PM  
1 vote:
Any other "think of the children" or "puritanical helicopter parents" article would be met with nothing but disdain here on fark, but I guess we have to make an exception since the person is transgendered.
2012-11-04 05:30:19 PM  
1 vote:
One boner in the locker room and she would be history in my book.
2012-11-04 05:30:07 PM  
1 vote:
The solution is to build 5 locker rooms. One for M, one for F, one for now M was F, one for now F was M, and one for those who identify as none of the above/alien/5th dimensional being/etc.
2012-11-04 05:30:01 PM  
1 vote:
Ahh, trans-gendered people. The Achilles heel of the modern feminist social justice movement...
2012-11-04 05:29:03 PM  
1 vote:
This is why I change at home and drive to the rink.
2012-11-04 05:27:58 PM  
1 vote:

hbk72777: When you cut it off, then you can use the women's room


Weed wack the sum biatch
2012-11-04 05:20:54 PM  
1 vote:
When you cut it off, then you can use the women's room
2012-11-04 05:20:22 PM  
1 vote:
Identifies as a female? Bet even a blind person could identify him as male.
2012-11-04 04:08:42 PM  
1 vote:
C'mon, the human wang is a beautiful thang.

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