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2012-11-04 06:10:00 PM

TomD9938: Bisu: TomD9938: FTA : 45-year-old college student

Get on with your life already.

Not everyone starts college around 18 years of age and limits their education to one continuous period. Perhaps becoming more educated and possibly obtaining a new degree is "getting on with life" for this person.

And hanging out in a sauna evidently.

The only older people I've known attending that late in life were bored wives.

If she doesnt need the money and is doing it for kicks, great. If it's a career move... what's she been doing the last twenty years?


Saving up for college/working a job she was content with/raising a family/something else? Are you really that isolated from society that you didn't realize not everyone's life is the same as yours? Not everyone knows and sets forth on the definitive path for their life in their early twenties.
 
2012-11-04 06:10:03 PM

Mashaka: Skyred: evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.

What? Biology has everything to do with gender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction


Don't you try to feed me your propaganda
 
2012-11-04 06:11:21 PM

KrispyKritter: oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?

in the perfect world scenario people would be able to be naked among each other, sex or age regardless. i think it goes astray when people start associating sexuality with nudity, or shame, or whatever else may cloud a clear thinking mind. people are raised different ways with different ideas and beliefs, so it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly.

that's why not everyone goes to the nudist colony / beaches.


In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.

If you're saying people should use the locker room they "identify with", what you're really saying is that the sign on the door should be a non-enforceable suggestion ("I wasn't peeping, officer, I just identify as a woman").
 
2012-11-04 06:11:57 PM

Buzzerguy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, I'm as pro-LGBT rights as possible and realize that transgendered people have a terrible burden in life trough no fault of their own and should have their rights respected

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...

Again, you can't actually believe both of these things. I'm going to go with the first one being the lie you tell yourself and others to seem like you actually understand and respect people different from yourself.


Agreed, but since Fark comments isn't the place where people solve cognitive dissonance problems, I suggest you report to the nearest gay bar, early in the evening while everyone's mostly sober, and strike up a conversation about this article and the issues surrounding it, slowly getting drunker and drunker. By the end of the night, everything'll clear up.
 
2012-11-04 06:12:21 PM

soundguy: This whole mess is trivially easy to solve. Just eliminate male and female "public" facilities. Take half of the existing space and divide it up into private individual/couple/family spaces (sink, toilet, shower, dressing area). Make the other half completely unisex and 18+ only. Put the lockers in a neutral "no nudity" area.

Problem solved. You and your precious snowflakes never have to be exposed to genetic anomalies, "lifestyle choices", mutants, exhibitionists, or general perverts. Facilities end up using the exact same amount of plumbing and electrical hardware, with just a few extra walls, the cost of which could be offset by installing coin-operated glory holes between the private spaces.


It's only trivial in an academic world. In the real world, a great deal of resources (money, work, time) would need to be expended to convert all of the existing public change rooms to what you're suggesting. How much societal effort should be expend to accomodate those who fall into an extreme edge case category?
 
2012-11-04 06:12:26 PM

rockforever: HelenLoveJoy.jpg

please!


hellzya.org
 
2012-11-04 06:12:38 PM

Bisu: TomD9938: Bisu: TomD9938: FTA : 45-year-old college student

Get on with your life already.

Not everyone starts college around 18 years of age and limits their education to one continuous period. Perhaps becoming more educated and possibly obtaining a new degree is "getting on with life" for this person.

And hanging out in a sauna evidently.

The only older people I've known attending that late in life were bored wives.

If she doesnt need the money and is doing it for kicks, great. If it's a career move... what's she been doing the last twenty years?

Saving up for college/working a job she was content with/raising a family/something else? Are you really that isolated from society that you didn't realize not everyone's life is the same as yours? Not everyone knows and sets forth on the definitive path for their life in their early twenties.


Given the make-up of the older students on campus, chances are high that she's a veteran. Evergreen has a lot of scholarships and waivers that make it a magnet for vets who've finished their service to get a degree from.
 
2012-11-04 06:13:26 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yes, by disagreeing on one issue, I hat all dissimilar persons. You've got me there.


I am unconcerned about your hat.

But you can't say you're as pro-Trans as possible and also say that trans people should be denied the facilities appropriate to their gender because somebody might see the wrong genitals. Or that such people should be forced behind a wall when other people are not. Or that someone is "trans" simply because he or she says so to get a look at members of the opposite sex, which is the most insulting and infuriating thing I've read here today.

A transwoman is a woman. She uses women's facilities. People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.

/equal means equal
 
2012-11-04 06:13:35 PM

epoch_destroi: Also, for all of you out there screaming about surgery...who should pay for it?

Let's take your argument seriously, that no matter how much a woman someone is, we cannot recognize it until she has her accident of birth removed.

Will this surgery be available to all, regardless of income and insurance?

If not, how do you justify treating only those women with enough money to get the surgery as women, and not those who cannot afford it? Rights shouldn't be based on what you can and cannot afford.


Of course! Gubmint surgery. In fact lets call it Obama surgery! IZ ALL FREE STUFF!!!

Obama phone
 
2012-11-04 06:14:06 PM

epoch_destroi: She identifies and has been living as a woman. She is a woman, okay?


How did you feel about the person reported on here who was born as a man, dressed as a man, identified as a lesbian woman, had no intention of undergoing a sex change - and demanded the right to use women's toilets and changing rooms? Is that OK, or is there some minimum commitment to femininity beyond saying "I'm a woman" before you get to use women's facilities?

evoke: Biology has nothing to do with gender.


Nothing beyond determining it for 99.99% of the population (and that includes trans people, if theories about hormonal effects on antenatal development are true"
 
2012-11-04 06:14:31 PM
oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.
 
2012-11-04 06:15:05 PM

Mr. Potatoass: Have a penis and tits? Stay out of locker rooms.


No, it's $6.99 a minute for a private webshow.

And they've put up privacy curtains in the locker room because this person doesn't have meat curtains.

What this person might look like:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-04 06:16:19 PM

Bisu: Not everyone knows and sets forth on the definitive path for their life in their early twenties.


Fourty five is too late.

The game's nearly over.
 
2012-11-04 06:16:31 PM

oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?


Almost all swimming pools built here (UK) in the last 20 years or so have unisex "changing villages" with cubicles, which avoids this sort of problem altogether. Well, apart from odd bulges in the swimsuit, I suppose.
 
2012-11-04 06:17:15 PM

Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.


boy I farked the formatting here. Mod, please delete to save me embarrassment.
 
2012-11-04 06:17:20 PM
Seriously, if you're packing sausage everyone knows you're a genetic male use the men's locker room. I don't care what genetic defect tells you to be a female your chromosomes cannot lie. Find a way to pay for your surgically enhanced axe-wound and then use the women's locker room. Christ there's a prisoner in Ma trying to get the state to pay for his sex change right now. I don't need my 11yr old daughter walking by a naked guy with tits, hog hanging out, do I?
 
2012-11-04 06:17:46 PM

Buzzerguy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yes, by disagreeing on one issue, I hat all dissimilar persons. You've got me there.

I am unconcerned about your hat.

But you can't say you're as pro-Trans as possible and also say that trans people should be denied the facilities appropriate to their gender because somebody might see the wrong genitals. Or that such people should be forced behind a wall when other people are not. Or that someone is "trans" simply because he or she says so to get a look at members of the opposite sex, which is the most insulting and infuriating thing I've read here today.

A transwoman is a woman. She uses women's facilities. People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.

/equal means equal


I think you missed the point. If you let one person with a penis use the women's locker room, then you have to let everyone with a penis use the women's locker room... it's only fair.
 
2012-11-04 06:19:23 PM

Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.


Tell you what: find 10 fathers of girls aged 5-10. Ask them how they'd feel about their daughters changing in front of naked men every day after swim practice. How many do you think would be OK with this? Fark may be a bastion of acceptance and liberal thought, but most people in the US don't feel this way. How many people take their kids to nude beaches?
 
2012-11-04 06:19:45 PM
What kind of proof do I need to give when I say I identify myself as a (fill in the blank)? Cuz if none is required, this could come in handy for a lecher dude like me who would like to get a peek at the local college's ladies locker room.

/ giggity
 
2012-11-04 06:20:55 PM
Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals. Lets face it. We all have genitals, one or the other, or both. Everybody of every age has seen them, either on humans or on other animals. They are just part of our physical anatomy like hands, fingers, feet, etc. Humans associating them with sex every time we see them or refer to them is culture association. If they were not considered so "private" then the taboos would disappear. It is about time we taught our children that sex is just not only about or limited exclusively to our reproductive organs. Its more, our should be more than that. It should be about relationships, feelings, and higher level emotional responses and that sex is the sum total of all of this, not just entwining our organs. It is past time we should be embarrassed about our anatomy. If displaying it becomes the norm, they all the excitement of casually seeing it will disappear. Given that pregnancy and babies are direct results of sexual relationships, why do not people get sexually aroused when seeing these examples of it? It is because they represent the norm and nothing special as it relates to sexual relationships.

It is time we, as a culture grew up. Forget separate facilities entirely. There is nothing sexual about expelling excrement, getting clean or changing clothes. Clothing should be a matter of protection and climate along with what is event appropriate. Going nude to a dinner party or a conference would not be appropriate unless such a dress code was stated. There are many instances that clothing enhances sexual interest than detracts from it. Wear what is appropriate for the time, environment, or event. Going nude regularly every place you go is just as inappropriate as being completely covered up from head to toe with polar fleece in an Amazon rain forest with the temperature over 100 degrees and the humidity at 95 percent. All I am saying is that after thousands of years on this planet our cultures should just get over their hangups of seeing our anatomical parts.
 
2012-11-04 06:21:06 PM

Buzzerguy: A transwoman is a woman.


Why have two different words?
 
2012-11-04 06:21:07 PM

Nick Nostril: What kind of proof do I need to give when I say I identify myself as a (fill in the blank)? Cuz if none is required, this could come in handy for a lecher dude like me who would like to get a peek at the local college's ladies locker room.

/ giggity


Do I have to actually enroll or can we call it a Ride Along?
 
2012-11-04 06:21:48 PM

oren0: Mashaka: oren0:

In the real world, most people are uncomfortable being nude around strangers of the opposite gender. They're even more uncomfotable with their children being nude around nude strangers of the opposite gender. These feelings are not unreasonable.


This is the key assumption that you need to defend, mate.

Tell you what: find 10 fathers of girls aged 5-10. Ask them how they'd feel about their daughters changing in front of naked men every day after swim practice. How many do you think would be OK with this? Fark may be a bastion of acceptance and liberal thought, but most people in the US don't feel this way. How many people take their kids to nude beaches?


Ohhh, you. You're just being a neanderthal.
 
2012-11-04 06:22:10 PM

Buzzerguy: People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.


Why should the majority go out of their way to accomodate the minority? If it's no big deal, why doesn't she just use the men's change room? Why is the .1% right and the 99.9% wrong?
 
2012-11-04 06:22:10 PM

Buzzerguy: A transwoman is a woman. She uses women's facilities. People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.


I'm sure this whole incident is blown out of proportion and using the the women's locker room is a benign attempt to simply change clothes or shower. But unfortunately saying you are something doesn't make it so, and separate locker rooms were created for a reason.
 
2012-11-04 06:23:03 PM

jimw: Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals. Lets face it. We all have genitals, one or the other, or both. Everybody of every age has seen them, either on humans or on other animals. They are just part of our physical anatomy like hands, fingers, feet, etc. Humans associating them with sex every time we see them or refer to them is culture association. If they were not considered so "private" then the taboos would disappear. It is about time we taught our children that sex is just not only about or limited exclusively to our reproductive organs. Its more, our should be more than that. It should be about relationships, feelings, and higher level emotional responses and that sex is the sum total of all of this, not just entwining our organs. It is past time we should be embarrassed about our anatomy. If displaying it becomes the norm, they all the excitement of casually seeing it will disappear. Given that pregnancy and babies are direct results of sexual relationships, why do not people get sexually aroused when seeing these examples of it? It is because they represent the norm and nothing special as it relates to sexual relationships.

It is time we, as a culture grew up. Forget separate facilities entirely. There is nothing sexual about expelling excrement, getting clean or changing clothes. Clothing should be a matter of protection and climate along with what is event appropriate. Going nude to a dinner party or a conference would not be appropriate unless such a dress code was stated. There are many instances that clothing enhances sexual interest than detracts from it. Wear what is appropriate for the time, environment, or event. Going nude regularly every place you go is just as inappropriate as being completely covered up from head to toe with polar fleece in an Amazon rain forest with the temperature over 100 degrees and the humidity at 95 percent. All I am saying is that after thousands ...



Perhaps you'd be happier living in France.
 
2012-11-04 06:23:26 PM

WhippingBoy: I think you missed the point. If you let one person with a penis use the women's locker room, then you have to let everyone with a penis use the women's locker room... it's only fair.


Dude, it's Evergreen. You can enroll and create your own "Using Women's Facilities as a Man" coursework right now.
 
2012-11-04 06:23:35 PM

meatsack_01: jimw: Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals. Lets face it. We all have genitals, one or the other, or both. Everybody of every age has seen them, either on humans or on other animals. They are just part of our physical anatomy like hands, fingers, feet, etc. Humans associating them with sex every time we see them or refer to them is culture association. If they were not considered so "private" then the taboos would disappear. It is about time we taught our children that sex is just not only about or limited exclusively to our reproductive organs. Its more, our should be more than that. It should be about relationships, feelings, and higher level emotional responses and that sex is the sum total of all of this, not just entwining our organs. It is past time we should be embarrassed about our anatomy. If displaying it becomes the norm, they all the excitement of casually seeing it will disappear. Given that pregnancy and babies are direct results of sexual relationships, why do not people get sexually aroused when seeing these examples of it? It is because they represent the norm and nothing special as it relates to sexual relationships.

It is time we, as a culture grew up. Forget separate facilities entirely. There is nothing sexual about expelling excrement, getting clean or changing clothes. Clothing should be a matter of protection and climate along with what is event appropriate. Going nude to a dinner party or a conference would not be appropriate unless such a dress code was stated. There are many instances that clothing enhances sexual interest than detracts from it. Wear what is appropriate for the time, environment, or event. Going nude regularly every place you go is just as inappropriate as being completely covered up from head to toe with polar fleece in an Amazon rain forest with the temperature over 100 degrees and the humidity at 95 percent. All I am saying is that after tho ...


Or Japan.
 
2012-11-04 06:24:37 PM

jimw: All I am saying is that after thousands of years on this planet our cultures should just get over their hangups of seeing our anatomical parts.


Much easier said than done I'm afraid
 
2012-11-04 06:27:38 PM

oren0: If she really must use the women's locker room, she can try to be sensitive to the situation by changing under a towel or using the provided privacy curtain. And maybe she could wear shorts or something in the sauna. There is no reason for her to walk around with her cock out for extended periods of time, especially with children around. Men shouldn't do that around children in the men's locker room either.


Bingo.
Walk around with your cock hanging out...not in the womens locker room.
Walk around with your pussy hanging out...not in the mens locker room.

'In progress' of being a woman? Great. Do that.
But don't wave your cock around in the womens locker room.
 
2012-11-04 06:28:38 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: But don't wave your cock around in the womens locker room.


But then its like you're not really allowed to use the women's locker room at all
 
2012-11-04 06:28:51 PM
While we're at it lets bring this attitude to the middle east.
 
2012-11-04 06:31:56 PM

jimw: Isn't it about time we got over our puritan concepts. Nobody gets upset when children see male and female animals.


www.superpoop.com
 
2012-11-04 06:36:29 PM
Call me weird, but I would feel uncomfortable if someone with male genitals showed up in a women's locker room. I couldn't be the only one who feels this way. While I can't imagine someone pretending to be a transsexual just to gawk in the women's locker room, I still feel strange about a cock in the hen house. Then again, I think it's weird that opposite-sex reporters are allowed in locker rooms after games.
 
2012-11-04 06:36:45 PM

WhippingBoy: Buzzerguy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yes, by disagreeing on one issue, I hat all dissimilar persons. You've got me there.

I am unconcerned about your hat.

But you can't say you're as pro-Trans as possible and also say that trans people should be denied the facilities appropriate to their gender because somebody might see the wrong genitals. Or that such people should be forced behind a wall when other people are not. Or that someone is "trans" simply because he or she says so to get a look at members of the opposite sex, which is the most insulting and infuriating thing I've read here today.

A transwoman is a woman. She uses women's facilities. People who don't want to see her genitals should do the same thing as women in that locker room who don't want to see an old woman's sagging tits or Honey BooBoo Child's mother's giant rolls of fat or the stump of an amputee: DON'T LOOK.

/equal means equal

I think you missed the point. If you let one person with a penis use the women's locker room, then you have to let everyone with a penis use the women's locker room... it's only fair.


How about everyone who has a penis, but is transgendered, and is taking female hormones which have made them grow breasts, and have shrunk said penis down to trivial (and non functioning) proportions? Would these conditions satisfy you?

The late Gore Vidal once said that the Pilgrims didn't come to America for religious freedom, but rather the Europeans drove them out for being a bunch of religious prudes.
 
2012-11-04 06:37:23 PM
Isn't it against the law for a 45 year old man to expose himself to teenage girls? Why isn't he being arrested and charged as a sex offender? If I went to my gym, entered the women's locker room and then stripped down and sat in their sauna with my wang hanging out, I'm fairly certain that is what would happen to me...

Officer: "Sir, you are under arrest."

Me: "No, it's cool, I think of myself as a woman."

Officer: "Oh, very well then Sir - that is, Ma'am. Please carry on."
 
2012-11-04 06:39:26 PM
TESC is a joke and has always been a joke.

The students there don't care about anybody but themselves. The students move to Olympia and destroy the place, then leave thinking they changed it for the better.
 
2012-11-04 06:40:16 PM

WhippingBoy: How much societal effort should be expend to accomodate those who fall into an extreme edge case category?


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It has nothing to do with accommodating edge cases. It has everything to do with getting the vast majority of the population to shut the fark up about their "morality issues" based in their rigid, sexually-repressed upbringing. If the problem simply doesn't exist any more, no one has to listen to their constant biatching about how the edge cases are destroying the fabric of civilization.
 
2012-11-04 06:40:24 PM

Mr. Potatoass: Have a penis? Use the Men's locker room.
Don't have a penis? Use the Women's locker room.
Have a penis and tits? Stay out of locker rooms.


Um...nice. >_>'
Here's a clue since you need one.... another person with a penis and tits.
application.denofgeek.com 
And in another comment you'd probably be intolerantly telling obese men to get to the gym, right? 

Grow up you intolerant fark.
 
2012-11-04 06:40:42 PM
What about women with giant roast beef meat curtains flapping about?
Aint nobody got time for that.
 
2012-11-04 06:43:33 PM

JustTheTip: Isn't it against the law for a 45 year old man to expose himself to teenage girls? Why isn't he being arrested and charged as a sex offender? If I went to my gym, entered the women's locker room and then stripped down and sat in their sauna with my wang hanging out, I'm fairly certain that is what would happen to me...

Officer: "Sir, you are under arrest."

Me: "No, it's cool, I think of myself as a woman."

Officer: "Oh, very well then Sir - that is, Ma'am. Please carry on."


And still arrests some drunk guy whizzing out of doors as a sex offender, because his penis is ordinary and he still wants it there.

And for those dissecting my Weeners, allow me to amend it to "I'm about as pro-LGBT rights as possible."
 
2012-11-04 06:43:55 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...


Completely agree...if biology has nothing to do with gender, why should biology have anything to do with RACE?
 
2012-11-04 06:44:16 PM
Amazed (appalled?) at the anger emanating from both sides of this.
 
2012-11-04 06:45:28 PM

Repo Man: How about everyone who has a penis, but is transgendered, and is taking female hormones which have made them grow breasts, and have shrunk said penis down to trivial (and non functioning) proportions? Would these conditions satisfy you?


Of course! Why didn't I think of that! How trivial it would be to ensure that only those people who met your conditions use a woman's change room!

The best thing is that I'm a fat, ugly, son of a biatch with a tiny penis... I'm sure my moobs could pass as breasts! By your conditions, I'd still be allowed in the woman's changing room to ogle to my heart's content!

/ no really, it's part of the process... I need to massage it like this until it falls off!
 
2012-11-04 06:47:30 PM

soundguy: WhippingBoy: How much societal effort should be expend to accomodate those who fall into an extreme edge case category?

------

It has nothing to do with accommodating edge cases. It has everything to do with getting the vast majority of the population to shut the fark up about their "morality issues" based in their rigid, sexually-repressed upbringing. If the problem simply doesn't exist any more, no one has to listen to their constant biatching about how the edge cases are destroying the fabric of civilization.


Why should the majority shut the fark up? They are, after all, the majority.

/democracy sucks!
 
2012-11-04 06:47:41 PM

crabsno termites: Amazed (appalled?) at the anger emanating from both sides of this.


Why? Pick a topic. The resulting fark thread is all about hate hate hate angry angry hate.
 
2012-11-04 06:48:28 PM

the_chief: Welcome to Romney's America.


Actually, it's welcome to an America where everybody is a protected class now. Everyone has their own snowflake feelings, and you must abide by my feelings or feel my hurt victim feelings. Personally, if I had a daughter in that locker room, that guy (girl, sorry) wouldn't have his junk left after I got done giving him a beatdown.

It doesn't matter that he identifies as female. He said he's attracted to females. Those facts coupled with the fact that he still has his junk, and I can tell you that Evergreen will have a huge lawsuit on their hands. Hope that Political Correctness works out for them when they have to pay off said lawsuits.
 
2012-11-04 06:50:02 PM
The reason for male / female locker rooms has nothing to do with what gender someone perceives themselves as and everything to do with cock / no cock. Cock? Left. No cock? Right. That is the true reason for the separation to begin with and we have to be intellectually honest about it. This person has a cock, they go in the cock door. It is creating a controversy where none should rightly exist and hampering actual discussion about transgendered acceptance.

Rest rooms / locker rooms: Not about what gender you feel you are.
 
2012-11-04 06:50:58 PM
I don't think you are allowed to just declare yourself the opposite sex one day and start using the other locker rooms or bathrooms. Generally you need a few years of therapy or counseling to get certified or whatever they do to get their IDs changed over.

As long as she is discrete about it, I don't have a problem with it. If she starts swinging it around the locker room like an 80 year old guy then that isn't very appropriate.
 
2012-11-04 06:51:18 PM

WhippingBoy: soundguy: WhippingBoy: How much societal effort should be expend to accomodate those who fall into an extreme edge case category?

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It has nothing to do with accommodating edge cases. It has everything to do with getting the vast majority of the population to shut the fark up about their "morality issues" based in their rigid, sexually-repressed upbringing. If the problem simply doesn't exist any more, no one has to listen to their constant biatching about how the edge cases are destroying the fabric of civilization.

Why should the majority shut the fark up? They are, after all, the majority.

/democracy sucks!


Queue the Beatles... All we need is love, love. Love is all we need.
 
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