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2012-11-04 05:44:52 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, I'm as pro-LGBT rights as possible and realize that transgendered people have a terrible burden in life trough no fault of their own and should have their rights respected, but the fact is that no amount of political correct happy thoughts makes a person who still has a penis female enough to change in the women's locker room, regardless of their psychological gender.


I'm going to say that the first part of your sentence is false...
 
2012-11-04 05:46:07 PM

jimmythrust: No greener worth his or her salt should care. After all, the school mascot is a geoduck so phallic it would make Lexington Steele blush with envy.

/tesc grad
//2 degrees in liberal nonsense! Woo!


I doubt any greener DOES care, which is why it is parents of children using the locker room complaining. She should have some consideration for those people however, it's not as if her specific circumstances are commonly taking place across the nation. We expect smokers to be considerate of others with their cigarettes and that IS commonly occurring everywhere.

/also TESC grad
//and it's THE Evergreen... yada yada
 
2012-11-04 05:46:16 PM
It has a penis it's a HE. Wanna chop it off Ok we will talk If you still have a penis one must assume you are using that penis. You are man.
 
2012-11-04 05:46:25 PM

Bisu: TomD9938: FTA : 45-year-old college student

Get on with your life already.

Not everyone starts college around 18 years of age and limits their education to one continuous period. Perhaps becoming more educated and possibly obtaining a new degree is "getting on with life" for this person.


And hanging out in a sauna evidently.

The only older people I've known attending that late in life were bored wives.

If she doesnt need the money and is doing it for kicks, great. If it's a career move... what's she been doing the last twenty years?
 
2012-11-04 05:46:30 PM
This woman sounds like a bit of a dick.
 
2012-11-04 05:46:40 PM

Bisu: epoch_destroi: oren0: If she really must use the women's locker room, she can try to be sensitive to the situation by changing under a towel or using the provided privacy curtain. And maybe she could wear shorts or something in the sauna. There is no reason for her to walk around with her cock out for extended periods of time, especially with children around. Men shouldn't do that around children in the men's locker room either.

Here's the thing-- she wasn't sauntering around dick-first; she was changing and people walked by her and saw, while she was putting on clothes-- that she had a penis.
oren0: epoch_destroi: Here's the thing-- she wasn't sauntering around dick-first; she was changing and people walked by her and saw, while she was putting on clothes-- that she had a penis.

It was obviously more than that, given that TFA says she was hanging out naked in the sauna. Use a towel or privacy curtain. At a minimum, change in a corner with your back turned. These are solveable problems.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?


It's a nude sauna, just gonna point that out. The sauna rules recommend you sit on a towel, not wear one.
 
2012-11-04 05:46:42 PM
Grand Poohbah
I'm surprised that Evergreen still has gendered locking rooms.
 
2012-11-04 05:47:15 PM
Either get the lopitoffectomy or STFU and use the men's room. Nobody wants to see your pecker but at least in the men's room we're not going to be surprised to see Tiny Tim hanging around
 
2012-11-04 05:47:34 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, I'm as pro-LGBT rights as possible ...

no ... person who still has a penis [is] female enough to change in the women's locker room, regardless of their psychological gender.


When coming from the same person, one of these statements is a lie.

/at least I got to tag a lot of farmers as transphobic or as genuinely open-minded
 
2012-11-04 05:47:59 PM
She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.
 
2012-11-04 05:48:29 PM
My HS went through this when one of the teachers decided to pursue a sex change. Since it involved a lot of stages, there was certainly the 'wang in the women's restroom' debate, prior to the snipping.
 
2012-11-04 05:48:44 PM

evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.


^^^THIS
 
2012-11-04 05:49:28 PM
NSFW penis show.
 
2012-11-04 05:49:36 PM

epoch_destroi: She identifies and has been living as a woman. She is a woman, okay?

--and I just want to throw out there that somehow, just somehow, I don't think that seeing a woman who was born with a wang is going to permanently alter people using a friggin' locker room.

But hey, maybe I'm just not irrationally terrified of trans people or penises.


I completely agree with everything you said. Populations are becoming larger and more diverse all the time. People need to start respecting complex sexual identity.
 
2012-11-04 05:50:07 PM
I banned a woman-identifying transgendered male (and deaf as well!) from the college pool for doing exactly this after i told him not to... school backed me up.
 
2012-11-04 05:50:07 PM

mediablitz: TomD9938: mediablitz: A lot of older people returning to college.

Im sure that Gender Studies degree will carry her right to the moon.

Hmmm. Even judgmental about what OTHER people find interesting as a pursuit.


The original implication was that older people are returning to college in order to improve their chances of employment.
The comment was related to the fact that a degree in gender studies actually makes you far less employable than having no degree.
 
2012-11-04 05:50:54 PM
To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?
 
2012-11-04 05:51:37 PM

oren0: If she really must use the women's locker room, she can try to be sensitive to the situation by changing under a towel or using the provided privacy curtain. And maybe she could wear shorts or something in the sauna. There is no reason for her to walk around with her cock out for extended periods of time, especially with children around. Men shouldn't do that around children in the men's locker room either.


Ever been to a men's locker room? The old men have no shame, unfortunately
 
2012-11-04 05:51:47 PM

Rationale: jimmythrust: No greener worth his or her salt should care. After all, the school mascot is a geoduck so phallic it would make Lexington Steele blush with envy.

/tesc grad
//2 degrees in liberal nonsense! Woo!

I doubt any greener DOES care, which is why it is parents of children using the locker room complaining. She should have some consideration for those people however, it's not as if her specific circumstances are commonly taking place across the nation. We expect smokers to be considerate of others with their cigarettes and that IS commonly occurring everywhere.

/also TESC grad
//and it's THE Evergreen... yada yada



True enough, but isn't Evergreen's motto still Omnia Extares--loosely translated as "let it all hang out"? This student should be commended for embodying the school's esprit des corps!
 
2012-11-04 05:52:17 PM
If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...
 
2012-11-04 05:52:23 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Either get the lopitoffectomy or STFU and use the men's room. Nobody wants to see your pecker but at least in the men's room we're not going to be surprised to see Tiny Tim hanging around


plus we get to see her tits
 
2012-11-04 05:54:15 PM
We should be supporting this person. Think of it: if this opens up, all we'll need to do in the future to get our voyeuristic freak-on is to make the claim that we identify as a woman! Then it's all the nude ogling we want!
 
2012-11-04 05:54:25 PM

evoke: Biology has nothing to do with gender.


media.moddb.com
 
2012-11-04 05:55:16 PM

epoch_destroi: She identifies and has been living as a woman. She is a woman, okay?

--and I just want to throw out there that somehow, just somehow, I don't think that seeing a woman who was born with a wang is going to permanently alter people using a friggin' locker room.

But hey, maybe I'm just not irrationally terrified of trans people or penises.


I'm not afraid afraid of penis, trannies or any of it but I sure wouldn't want to see hers flopping about. When it gets removed she can use the ladies facilities.
 
2012-11-04 05:56:33 PM
Just have locker rooms that are by genetics.

You have a Y chromosome, you change in one locker room.

You don't have a Y chromosome, you change in the other locker room.
 
2012-11-04 05:56:50 PM

evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.


What? Biology has everything to do with gender.
 
2012-11-04 05:57:28 PM
Fark Rye For Many Whores
media.moddb.com

You may be thinking of "sex".
 
2012-11-04 05:59:40 PM

epoch_destroi: It's a nude sauna, just gonna point that out. The sauna rules recommend you sit on a towel, not wear one.


Common sense recommends that you wear a towel anyway if you have the opposite junk of everyone else in the sauna. This is doubly true if some of those people are young children.
 
2012-11-04 06:00:11 PM
Why aren't guys ever in an uproar over a transgendered male using their locker room? HMMMM??
 
2012-11-04 06:00:13 PM

evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.


This is why we can't have nice education.
 
2012-11-04 06:00:30 PM

Skyred: evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.

What? Biology has everything to do with gender.


Welcome to Gender Studies 101.

Your first essay is "Why Common Sense and Scientific Fact are Tools of the Oppressive Hegemonic Kyriarchy". 5000 words; due on Friday.
 
2012-11-04 06:01:25 PM

jetzzfan: Just have locker rooms that are by genetics.

You have a Y chromosome, you change in one locker room.

You don't have a Y chromosome, you change in the other locker room.


What if someone is XXY, has developed breasts, and has no external genitalia?
 
2012-11-04 06:02:29 PM

wallywam1: jetzzfan: Just have locker rooms that are by genetics.

You have a Y chromosome, you change in one locker room.

You don't have a Y chromosome, you change in the other locker room.

What if someone is XXY, has developed breasts, and has no external genitalia?


Y chromosome locker room, obviously.
 
2012-11-04 06:03:24 PM

oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?


in the perfect world scenario people would be able to be naked among each other, sex or age regardless. i think it goes astray when people start associating sexuality with nudity, or shame, or whatever else may cloud a clear thinking mind. people are raised different ways with different ideas and beliefs, so it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly.

that's why not everyone goes to the nudist colony / beaches.
 
2012-11-04 06:03:27 PM

epoch_destroi: But nobody gets to jerk it in locker rooms-- not men, not women.


Now who's being naive?
 
2012-11-04 06:03:32 PM

Skyred: evoke: She is a woman, ok? Biology has nothing to do with gender. That's what these parents should tell their kids.

What? Biology has everything to do with gender.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
 
2012-11-04 06:04:11 PM

Skyred: Why aren't guys ever in an uproar over a transgendered male using their locker room? HMMMM??


Because when I implement WhippingBoy's idea I want no weeners REAL OR OTHERWISE in my field of view.
 
2012-11-04 06:05:04 PM

KrispyKritter: oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?

in the perfect world scenario people would be able to be naked among each other, sex or age regardless. i think it goes astray when people start associating sexuality with nudity, or shame, or whatever else may cloud a clear thinking mind. people are raised different ways with different ideas and beliefs, so it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly.

that's why not everyone goes to the nudist colony / beaches.


But people whose ideas and beliefs are different than mine are wrong. Why should I make any attempt whatsoever to respect them?
 
2012-11-04 06:05:41 PM
This dude deserves the mandom medal of honor. I would totally enroll in a class if I could get a VIP pass to the local colleges' female locker room!

The dude is a ROCK STAR!
 
2012-11-04 06:05:58 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, I'm as pro-LGBT rights as possible and realize that transgendered people have a terrible burden in life trough no fault of their own and should have their rights respected


ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...


Again, you can't actually believe both of these things. I'm going to go with the first one being the lie you tell yourself and others to seem like you actually understand and respect people different from yourself.
 
2012-11-04 06:06:29 PM
This whole mess is trivially easy to solve. Just eliminate male and female "public" facilities. Take half of the existing space and divide it up into private individual/couple/family spaces (sink, toilet, shower, dressing area). Make the other half completely unisex and 18+ only. Put the lockers in a neutral "no nudity" area.

Problem solved. You and your precious snowflakes never have to be exposed to genetic anomalies, "lifestyle choices", mutants, exhibitionists, or general perverts. Facilities end up using the exact same amount of plumbing and electrical hardware, with just a few extra walls, the cost of which could be offset by installing coin-operated glory holes between the private spaces.
 
2012-11-04 06:07:02 PM
I'm wanting to get in touch with my feminine side..and your daughter's.

/giggity
 
2012-11-04 06:07:28 PM

FirstNationalBastard: C'mon, the human wang is a beautiful thang.

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2012-11-04 06:07:54 PM

jimmythrust: Rationale: jimmythrust: No greener worth his or her salt should care. After all, the school mascot is a geoduck so phallic it would make Lexington Steele blush with envy.

/tesc grad
//2 degrees in liberal nonsense! Woo!

I doubt any greener DOES care, which is why it is parents of children using the locker room complaining. She should have some consideration for those people however, it's not as if her specific circumstances are commonly taking place across the nation. We expect smokers to be considerate of others with their cigarettes and that IS commonly occurring everywhere.

/also TESC grad
//and it's THE Evergreen... yada yada


True enough, but isn't Evergreen's motto still Omnia Extares--loosely translated as "let it all hang out"? This student should be commended for embodying the school's esprit des corps!


I would agree if you had managed to work in either of the words 'paradigm' or 'extant' into your post. Bonus for both!
 
2012-11-04 06:07:57 PM
Also, for all of you out there screaming about surgery...who should pay for it?

Let's take your argument seriously, that no matter how much a woman someone is, we cannot recognize it until she has her accident of birth removed.

Will this surgery be available to all, regardless of income and insurance?

If not, how do you justify treating only those women with enough money to get the surgery as women, and not those who cannot afford it? Rights shouldn't be based on what you can and cannot afford.
 
2012-11-04 06:08:18 PM
HelenLoveJoy.jpg

please!
 
2012-11-04 06:08:31 PM

Buzzerguy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Okay, I'm as pro-LGBT rights as possible and realize that transgendered people have a terrible burden in life trough no fault of their own and should have their rights respected

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If I self-identify as a black lesbian, can I get minority scholarships? Really, if it is how I think of myself that matters...

Again, you can't actually believe both of these things. I'm going to go with the first one being the lie you tell yourself and others to seem like you actually understand and respect people different from yourself.


Yes, by disagreeing on one issue, I hat all dissimilar persons. You've got me there.
 
2012-11-04 06:08:41 PM

wallywam1: jetzzfan: Just have locker rooms that are by genetics.

You have a Y chromosome, you change in one locker room.

You don't have a Y chromosome, you change in the other locker room.

What if someone is XXY, has developed breasts, and has no external genitalia?


Well, then she's a witch.
 
2012-11-04 06:09:07 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Skyred: Why aren't guys ever in an uproar over a transgendered male using their locker room? HMMMM??

Because when I implement WhippingBoy's idea I want no weeners REAL OR OTHERWISE in my field of view.


I'm beginning to appreciate the work this "woman" is doing for us men
 
2012-11-04 06:09:26 PM

oren0: To the people supporting the college here, I'd ask a few simple questions: Why do we have separate locker rooms for men and women? Should we? Does the fact that children use these rooms affect the answer in any way?


I assume women don't want to get oogled by guys - that seems fair.

Should we? We should probably all GTF over naked people, but so long as that's not happening it seems ok.

Children have no effect on that. The sooner they learn that people are different, the better. If a penis minding its own business scars your five year old, you've failed as a parent.
 
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