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(AP)   War On Jobs: U.S. Prison factories that employ felons are at the heart of a debate about whether prisons should be siphoning away jobs, at much lower wages, that could be filled by those who need them during the toughest period of unemployment   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 175
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2012-11-04 12:30:45 PM
You have a problem with slave labor, subby?
 
2012-11-04 12:40:48 PM
What debate? The prison industry has already won that debate. Money speaks.
 
2012-11-04 01:03:13 PM
Solution: Imprison more Americans, and then they'll have these jobs!
 
2012-11-04 02:07:49 PM
So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke
 
2012-11-04 02:16:07 PM

Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke


As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.
 
2012-11-04 03:35:46 PM
Sounds like a great idea to me.

Or am I being obtuse?

www.google.ca
 
2012-11-04 03:53:57 PM
It's Different When We Do It!
 
2012-11-04 03:57:52 PM

unyon: Sounds like a great idea to me.

Or am I being obtuse?

[www.google.ca image 266x151]


Precisely.
Slave Prison labor is best labor. They can't complain or call in sick. 150 month vs. 9.00 hr. Hmm, there's a tough call.
Add to that the funds for prisxoners going into a prison acct to pay for supplies from the prison commisary. WIN for Unicor! Do the workers see interest on this? lulz
 
2012-11-04 04:07:52 PM
I hope you like paying $600 for your next quick-to-rust license plate, Subby.
 
2012-11-04 04:18:59 PM
unyon: Sounds like a great idea to me.

Or am I being obtuse?

[www.google.ca image 266x151]


No, now you are being acute
 
2012-11-04 04:22:00 PM
More unemployed -> more driven to crime -> more slave labor. Job creators win!
 
2012-11-04 04:23:24 PM
xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.


Isn't ironic Obama doesn't share your position on the war on drugs--yet Libertarians do?
 
2012-11-04 04:24:48 PM
xynix: As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.

Fixed

/partisanship is stupid, can't we just talk about the merits of a particular point without bringing in parties ... unless you meant liberal in a non political definition, in which case, carry on.

/ not a "liberal" but also opposed to the war on drugs (well most drugs, I don't think people should be allowed to set up meth labs all over the place given their propensity to explode).
 
2012-11-04 04:24:52 PM

xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.


i agree with your anti war on reefer platform. meanwhile, true convict scum should be working and picking up the tab for their room & board, not you the taxpayer. and a lot of the nastiest convict scum should be tested for health purposes and their organs used for those in need, then dispose of the rest. warehousing hardcore convicts for their entire lives serves no good; it is cruelty and savage.
 
2012-11-04 04:24:56 PM
Can't leave the place of work.
Are only payed a pittance compared to outside world.
Can only buy good from an employer approved retailer.
Have no say about your working conditions.

Sounds like the company town and store are back and better then ever.
 
2012-11-04 04:25:26 PM
That's always been an issue. Slavery By Another Name, available in book, audiobook or dvd.
 
2012-11-04 04:25:30 PM
If the alternative is to use union laborers, I'll go with the prisoners.
 
2012-11-04 04:26:23 PM
Uh-oh, you wanna see what happens when government just views prisons as a cost centre.
 
2012-11-04 04:26:51 PM
I wouldn't mind prison labor if it was just to benefit their own prison. A farm to supplement their food supply, for instance. Maybe something else simple, like the cliche licence plate. But when they start doing things for private companies and consumer products? That's just slave labor.

And let's not forget that a lot of those people in the system are non violent offenders, innocent and wrongly convicted, or imprisoned on idiotic laws that should have Ben overturned years ago.
 
2012-11-04 04:28:07 PM
Prisoner, govt jobs... Same thing. Have them replace some beaurocrats making 200ky.
 
2012-11-04 04:28:17 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-04 04:28:29 PM
Prisons should be required to pay whatever the going rate is to the inmates. With comparable benefits.
 
2012-11-04 04:28:37 PM
We're somewhat beyond ye olden times when prison labor was seen as penance and a way of proper reform. Even my ancestors "employed" men from the local prison which included time set aside for reading lessons and a Bible study (or something close to formal Bible study as they were Quakers) on Saturdays.

Today reform requires real life skills as you need wee bit more than knowing how your write your name and how to put in a 12 hour day's work at the local mill. Real reform means teaching useful work skills, how to talk to employers and customers, how to balance a check book and how to be technologically literate. So basically reform and penance through education rather than "hard work".
 
2012-11-04 04:29:28 PM
fark it, they get three whole meals every day AND a bed to sleep in. Plus they don't get taxed. Meanwhile the 1% are the real heroes, fighting taxation tooth and nail so those prisoners can continue to be clothed and fed.
 
2012-11-04 04:31:11 PM

LeglessDog: xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.

Isn't ironic Obama doesn't share your position on the war on drugs--yet Libertarians do?


Libertarians also want to deregulate business even more, and allow things like this prison labor thing in the first place, still want to control if and/or when women have access to birth control or abortions, and are staunchly against gay rights and marriage equality, want to abolish social safety nets and and pretty much everything not in the original constitution...

Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!
 
2012-11-04 04:31:16 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Prisons should be required to pay whatever the going rate is to the inmates. With comparable benefits.


So by prisons, you mean tax payers... Cause that's who pays.
 
2012-11-04 04:31:39 PM
I love these threads...it's always fun to see the authoritarians come out of the woodwork commenting how much and how badly prisoners should be punished regardless of how they came to be so.
 
2012-11-04 04:32:24 PM
the higher the wages, the higher the quality of work??
 
2012-11-04 04:32:45 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If the alternative is to use union laborers, I'll go with the prisoners.


IT worker. Either Seoul or Tokyo.
 
2012-11-04 04:33:49 PM

Shadowknight: LeglessDog: xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.

Isn't ironic Obama doesn't share your position on the war on drugs--yet Libertarians do?

Libertarians also want to deregulate business even more, and allow things like this prison labor thing in the first place, still want to control if and/or when women have access to birth control or abortions, and are staunchly against gay rights and marriage equality, want to abolish social safety nets and and pretty much everything not in the original constitution...

Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!


This.
 
2012-11-04 04:34:25 PM
Yeah, because those 13,000 prison jobs will take the unemployment rate from 7.9% and drop it down to 7.899999999999999999999999999999999%, or some other insignificant amount.
 
2012-11-04 04:34:33 PM
Israel and China mean more than you Citizen, get it straight.
 
2012-11-04 04:35:13 PM
As someone who did a bit of time I realize the importance of these programs. It reduces bad behavior while in prison reduces recidivism and allows inmates to pay off fines and court costs so they can start fresh when they get out.

Still hates for profit private prisons.
 
2012-11-04 04:36:18 PM

Mock26: Yeah, because those 13,000 prison jobs will take the unemployment rate from 7.9% and drop it down to 7.899999999999999999999999999999999%, or some other insignificant amount.


If the economy added 170k jobs in the last quarter, then those 13k jobs represent just under 1/10th of those additional jobs. Not an inconsequential number.
 
2012-11-04 04:36:30 PM
So on the one hand we've got people whining about prisoners being forced to work, not getting paid enough, benefiting the evil corporate overlords, all the usual complaints about prison labor.

On the other hand we've got (not here, but it's out there) people whining about prisoners laying around not having to do anything, getting their free three-hots&a-cot on the taxpayer dime, prison being nothing but a glorified country club, all the usual complaints about prisons being too cushy nowadays.

In the real world, you have prisons being so costly to run that they have to be privatized, which pretty much means that the company owning the prisons can and must do whatever they can to cut costs and boost profits--including selling prison labor; meanwhile the state-run prisons are operating at a loss, which means the state has to do whatever they can to cut costs and save money--including selling prison labor.

We also have prisoners who are going to be tagged with the label "felon" for the rest of their lives and be essentially unemployable at virtually anything except construction and unskilled labor, who need some kind of job skill and work history to give them at least a fighting chance of working on the outside after their release.

So I leave you all to it.
 
2012-11-04 04:36:45 PM
Pfft, they'll just move on to undocumented labor afterwards.

Those economic illiterates clearly don't understand how devastating it would be to the economy if the costs of desk lamps suddenly doubles.
 
2012-11-04 04:37:37 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mock26: Yeah, because those 13,000 prison jobs will take the unemployment rate from 7.9% and drop it down to 7.899999999999999999999999999999999%, or some other insignificant amount.

If the economy added 170k jobs in the last quarter, then those 13k jobs represent just under 1/10th of those additional jobs. Not an inconsequential number.


Damnit! You two take your math somewhere else.
 
2012-11-04 04:38:24 PM

Arthur Jumbles: You have a problem with slave labor, subby?


You're assuming that the prisons gave the prisoners no choice... You have proof of this? Who's to say, other than you, that these prisoners prefer to sit idly in their cells than to finally put in an honest day's work?
 
2012-11-04 04:38:48 PM

Shadowknight: Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!


Have you ever voted Republican... on weed?
 
2012-11-04 04:39:25 PM

wxboy: I hope you like paying $600 for your next quick-to-rust license plate, Subby.


Plates are made in state, (Badger State Industries represent!) not federal prisons.
 
2012-11-04 04:40:24 PM

t3knomanser: Shadowknight: Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!

Have you ever voted Republican... on weed?


Every time I vote I'm on weed... it eases the pain for the next 4 years.
 
2012-11-04 04:40:44 PM

Shadowknight: LeglessDog: xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.

Isn't ironic Obama doesn't share your position on the war on drugs--yet Libertarians do?

Libertarians also want to deregulate business even more, and allow things like this prison labor thing in the first place, still want to control if and/or when women have access to birth control or abortions, and are staunchly against gay rights and marriage equality, want to abolish social safety nets and and pretty much everything not in the original constitution...

Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!



Are they actual libertarians or just libertarians in your head?
 
2012-11-04 04:40:55 PM

wxboy: I hope you like paying $600 for your next quick-to-rust license plate, Subby.


In Texas they went with a private supplier, and apart from a quirk with the new plates being harder to read from a toll-camera they're working just fine and cheap. And since the private supplier gets to pocket the costs of a personalized plate there's a whole mess of new plate designs and marketing, which created jobs in marketing and various supply chains.

I understand that most of the labor going on in the Texas prisons is more along the lines of working crops to feed the prisoners. There's an argument to muse over on that aspect, since that's something the prisons could be buying on the open market where it might be cheaper. But even there we've seen a trend that processing food for prisoners has been exported to China.

I wonder what Keynes would say if I were to suggest that one of the factors that needed to be kept count of was prison levels, and that maybe one of the controllable factors in an economy would be the number of prisoners. Since that could be varied to go up in times of higher unemployment we'd be taking a certain amount of people out of the labor market. Then, when the labor supplies shrinks we can release prisoners to rejoin the workforce.

I also hope that isn't the Republican plan to improve the economy...
 
2012-11-04 04:41:06 PM

AbbeySomeone: They can't complain or call in sick. 150 month vs. 9.00 hr. Hmm, there's a tough call.


The prison workers at Albion Correctional facility in upstate NY get 12 cents per hour.
That's $19.20 per month before taxes.

/Merikuh, fark yeah!
 
2012-11-04 04:41:19 PM

t3knomanser: Shadowknight: Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!

Have you ever voted Republican... on weed?


I thought that exact same line, and imagined Jon Stuart saying it, while I wrote it.
 
2012-11-04 04:41:23 PM
slaves guarded by wage-slaves
 
2012-11-04 04:43:13 PM

Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke


getting a kick
 
2012-11-04 04:44:05 PM

super_grass: Shadowknight: LeglessDog: xynix: Azlefty: So instead of taking these incarcerated felons,and teach them marketable skills while at the same time SAVING TAXPAYER MONEY we shut it down and let private industry like Halliburton fill these orders for their low, low, low mark up.

Sure makes sense to me..............................Any one want a 6.00 a can Coke

As a liberal I'm opposed to prison labor being used at all. The reason is because a good portion of those people shouldn't even be in prison. By creating a new source of wealth for the private prison industry and their lobbyists we're allowing the perpetuation of something that I'm deeply opposed to: the war on drugs.

Isn't ironic Obama doesn't share your position on the war on drugs--yet Libertarians do?

Libertarians also want to deregulate business even more, and allow things like this prison labor thing in the first place, still want to control if and/or when women have access to birth control or abortions, and are staunchly against gay rights and marriage equality, want to abolish social safety nets and and pretty much everything not in the original constitution...

Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!


Are they actual libertarians or just libertarians in your head?


No, it's the so called libertarians that actively call themselves libertarians, when in reality they are rebranded Republicans that just realized the should be ashamed of their "screw you, I got mine" Randian beliefs. Not shamed enough to abandon them, of course, but enough that they feel like they should at least APPEAR to be different.
 
2012-11-04 04:44:18 PM

Shadowknight: Libertarians: We're like Republicans, but with WEED!


More dope, less derp.
 
2012-11-04 04:45:25 PM

Shadowknight: Republicans that just realized the should be ashamed of their "screw you, I got mine" Randian beliefs


I dunno, my experience is that Libertarians think the Republicans aren't Randian enough. But I know plenty of "Roads should be privatized!" Libertarians.
 
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