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2012-11-04 11:28:56 AM  
Not for presidential campaigns, or campaigns with well-known personalities.
 
2012-11-04 11:31:11 AM  
People want to feel part of the group and vote for a winner. I can see it making a small "nudge" in some races.... and some races are decided by just a few votes.
 
2012-11-04 11:33:27 AM  
The signs are also helpful if you want to judge your neighbors or if you're not sure if you need to lock your doors when you drive through an unfamiliar neighborhood.
 
2012-11-04 11:38:33 AM  
The Romney ones are good for a laugh here in blue-as-blue-gets Massachusetts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-04 11:40:49 AM  
If you have just one sign on your lawn I assume you have an opinion, but I probably already have one of my own.

If you have a collection like (in my area)

Obama-Warren-Khan

or

Romney-Brown-Bielat

I conclude you are a mindless tool of your party without the capacity for independent thought and wish for a constitutional amendment making all races nominally nonpartisan.
 
2012-11-04 11:41:52 AM  
I don't wear my politics on my lawn or car. In a related note, I know people up here who delight in switching NDP signs with Conservative signs in Canuckian elections. Such savage pranksters we are.
 
2012-11-04 11:46:14 AM  

ZAZ: Khan


www.neogrognard.com
 
2012-11-04 12:03:08 PM  
Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.
 
2012-11-04 12:16:50 PM  

xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.


Yard signs are usually free.
 
2012-11-04 02:13:46 PM  
They actually do make quite a bit of difference in elections where there isn't huge name recognition. I heard of some study on NPR where they put out a bunch of signs with a made up name on it and a very sizable portion of the people showing up to vote were asking why that person wasn't on the ballot because they wanted to vote for him...or something to that effect.
 
2012-11-04 02:40:44 PM  

vygramul: xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.

Yard signs are usually free.


Not for the Pbama Campaiogn. You have to pay through the nose to get yard signs for those assholes.

I'm Precint Committee officer, and so it's expected that I have signs for every campaign that's relevant to my precinct. I have 7 (helpfully placed by other PCOs), and I'm farking sick of them. I cannot WAIT until Tuesday night when I can take them down.
 
2012-11-04 02:44:21 PM  
Jesus I need to learn to farking type.
 
2012-11-04 02:44:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: vygramul: xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.

Yard signs are usually free.

Not for the Pbama Campaiogn. You have to pay through the nose to get yard signs for those assholes.

I'm Precint Committee officer, and so it's expected that I have signs for every campaign that's relevant to my precinct. I have 7 (helpfully placed by other PCOs), and I'm farking sick of them. I cannot WAIT until Tuesday night when I can take them down.


We always gave them out for free. How much do you charge for them?
 
2012-11-04 03:15:19 PM  

vygramul: Benevolent Misanthrope: vygramul: xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.

Yard signs are usually free.

Not for the Pbama Campaiogn. You have to pay through the nose to get yard signs for those assholes.

I'm Precint Committee officer, and so it's expected that I have signs for every campaign that's relevant to my precinct. I have 7 (helpfully placed by other PCOs), and I'm farking sick of them. I cannot WAIT until Tuesday night when I can take them down.

We always gave them out for free. How much do you charge for them?


We (my precinct and the local campaigns) charge nothing. But the Obama folks do. Are you guys giving out free Obama signs where you are? The Organizing for America office here doesn't.
 
2012-11-04 03:23:47 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: vygramul: Benevolent Misanthrope: vygramul: xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.

Yard signs are usually free.

Not for the Pbama Campaiogn. You have to pay through the nose to get yard signs for those assholes.

I'm Precint Committee officer, and so it's expected that I have signs for every campaign that's relevant to my precinct. I have 7 (helpfully placed by other PCOs), and I'm farking sick of them. I cannot WAIT until Tuesday night when I can take them down.

We always gave them out for free. How much do you charge for them?

We (my precinct and the local campaigns) charge nothing. But the Obama folks do. Are you guys giving out free Obama signs where you are? The Organizing for America office here doesn't.


I worked for OFA in 2008. I'm doing other stuff this year. I have never been charged for a yard sign, nor have I ever charged for them. The only exception is that early in 2008, when they were hard to come by, we reserved them for people who volunteered at least an hour of time. But at all levels, I've never charged for them - from school board races to Obama'08.

How much do they charge you? Is it a form of fund-raising, or is it more along the lines of cost recovery? I find this strange and interesting.
 
2012-11-04 04:24:11 PM  
Good article. What is the motivation to display a political sign in one's yard?

The headline is probably right. Displaying a sign is a sure way to rub your affiliation in everyone's face. And with the level of maturity that currently exists among our citizenry, it is also sure to encourage vandalism and theft. Everyone wins!
 
2012-11-04 04:47:27 PM  
I like Farks's yard signs.

pagead2.googlesyndication.com

They make me feel good.
 
2012-11-04 04:48:36 PM  

xynix: Signs are a source of profit for campaigns. It's simple capitalism.

Obama sent me a couple bumper stickers for donating to his cause and I was delighted to see they were made in the USA. My sister got some Romney stickers.. Naturally they were made in China.


The bumpers stickers aren't the only ones.

www.theblaze.com

Look for......the Union Label........
i.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-04 04:48:37 PM  
Signs at the Presidential level? Useless. Though in 2008 when people would come in to my OFA office asking for one we'd first say, "Sure, if you make 5 calls at the phone banks behind us, and we'll throw in a magnet too." Way more people agreed to do it then I'd have guessed at.

Local judicial, house, and other like races? Very useful.
 
2012-11-04 04:49:12 PM  

MarshHawk: Good article. What is the motivation to display a political sign in one's yard?


Same one as wearing a sports jersey, band t-shirt, etc.
 
2012-11-04 04:51:50 PM  
fta: "Some campaigns have what I'm sure they would call over-zealous supporters who think it's cool to take an opponent's sign."

Over zealous supporters.? Meh, obviously a non story.

/IOkay I'mma keed there but the mental midgets pulling these puerile pranks are the real immature ones in this picture.
 
2012-11-04 04:56:26 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Local judicial, house, and other like races? Very useful.


exactly this. i'm far more likely to vote for a local judge if i've seen his name all over. that likely means he has good standing in the community, even if i don't personally know him
 
2012-11-04 04:58:51 PM  
I spent a good 3 hours (divided between days) looking for info on the Internets about the Minnesota supreme court candidates. Couldn't find much info. Neighborhood signs for the candidates would've helped me if they had anti-marriage amendment and anti-voter IDs or Obama signs among them. I ended up finding some jesus freak websites endorsing the challengers so I went with the incumbents. I also found some pro-LGBT sites too that didn't endorse candidates per se, but mentioned the challengers were all tea baggers.

The non-supreme court judicial races had only incumbents listed so I wrote-on Lizard people 15 times.
 
2012-11-04 04:59:39 PM  
Haven't seen too many yard signs this year. All kinds of stupid billboards up and down 95 though. Obama will let Iran nuke Israel. Obama let gas go from $1.89 to $3.65.etc etc.. or the occasional nutter with a "WHITEHOUSE LIES" sign standing by himself at an intersection. I don't want it to ever end.
 
2012-11-04 05:02:09 PM  
I hope my (free) Obama yard sign signals to Fox news viewers not to speak to me. In particular the shop owners around the corner with all the racist bumper stickers on the wall behind the cash register.
 
2012-11-04 05:05:13 PM  
As someone working in an OFA office in NC this year, I can say we don't sell yard signs. We don't have any left to give away, though.
 
2012-11-04 05:06:11 PM  
My family and I went into an establishment we hadn't been to before, sat down and saw they had a bunch of anti-obama stickers all over the place. Like "There's a village in Kenya missing its monkey" with a pic of Obama on it. That was one of the more tame ones too.

We promptly left.
 
2012-11-04 05:14:30 PM  
The thing is, elections aren't just about swaying votes. "Making your supporters feel good" -in other words, keeping morale up among the base- is just as critical when voting isn't mandatory. Your base might not vote against you, but if they stay home that's only slightly less problematic.
 
2012-11-04 05:15:45 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The Romney ones are good for a laugh here in blue-as-blue-gets Massachusetts.


Speaking of Romney signs in Mass...

i7.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-04 05:16:36 PM  
It's part of the election-year jobs program. If you support Obama, it's jobs for Americans. If you're a Rmoney supporter, it's jobs in China.
 
2012-11-04 05:17:16 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: We promptly left.


good for you.
 
2012-11-04 05:24:11 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: My family and I went into an establishment we hadn't been to before, sat down and saw they had a bunch of anti-obama stickers all over the place. Like "There's a village in Kenya missing its monkey" with a pic of Obama on it. That was one of the more tame ones too.

We promptly left.


But I hear their deep-fried butter and roadkill burgers are to die for.
 
2012-11-04 05:32:57 PM  
In local races, signs are key to building name recognition. There are LOTS of low-information voters that will just check the box next to the first name on the ballot that they recognize. That's also the reason that for local elections in particular, having your name be first on the ballot is usually worth a 5-10% bump in the numbers.

but what do I know, I'm just running a local campaign.
 
2012-11-04 05:38:15 PM  

karmaceutical: Haven't seen too many yard signs this year. All kinds of stupid billboards up and down 95 though. Obama will let Iran nuke Israel. Obama let gas go from $1.89 to $3.65.etc etc.. or the occasional nutter with a "WHITEHOUSE LIES" sign standing by himself at an intersection. I don't want it to ever end.


I saw one of those billboard-trucks on 95 the other day (yesterday, I think?) that said that if Obama wasn't black, he wouldn't be President. The website advertised on the truck is a sucky blog full of right-wing derp and a clip from Dreams Of My Real Father and there is no entry from before 29 OCT 2012 (in other words, it's barely a week old). It also has an open letter to Obama allegedly written by a guy named Derrick A. Coleman who looks like this:

votetheamericanway.com

but a search for the name only turned up with the basketball player and a reverse image search found nothing but that blog and a bunch of right-wing Pinterest pages. And it looks like a stock photo, to boot.


/The short version of that blog is "Don't vote for the n****r."
 
2012-11-04 05:40:49 PM  
I was just thinking that the other day. It's really just naked tribalism.
 
2012-11-04 05:42:07 PM  

King Something: karmaceutical: Haven't seen too many yard signs this year. All kinds of stupid billboards up and down 95 though. Obama will let Iran nuke Israel. Obama let gas go from $1.89 to $3.65.etc etc.. or the occasional nutter with a "WHITEHOUSE LIES" sign standing by himself at an intersection. I don't want it to ever end.

I saw one of those billboard-trucks on 95 the other day (yesterday, I think?) that said that if Obama wasn't black, he wouldn't be President. The website advertised on the truck is a sucky blog full of right-wing derp and a clip from Dreams Of My Real Father and there is no entry from before 29 OCT 2012 (in other words, it's barely a week old). It also has an open letter to Obama allegedly written by a guy named Derrick A. Coleman who looks like this:

[votetheamericanway.com image 436x477]

but a search for the name only turned up with the basketball player and a reverse image search found nothing but that blog and a bunch of right-wing Pinterest pages. And it looks like a stock photo, to boot.


/The short version of that blog is "Don't vote for the n****r."


1. Looked up the website
2. Evaluated the information, based on the source.
3. Evaluated additional "personal anecdotes" on the site and assessed their validity.

That's at least three things you did that the target demographic won't think to do. As in, intellectually incapable of doing.
 
2012-11-04 05:43:52 PM  
I have a sign for our library's issue in my front yard. It's the first political sign I've ever put up, and, yes, it makes me feel good.
 
2012-11-04 05:55:28 PM  

whollyholeyholy: In particular the shop owners around the corner with all the racist bumper stickers on the wall behind the cash register.


There was a sandwich shop that began doing the same thing after Obama won in '08. They had a pretty diverse clientele. The owner, a woman, just didn't understand why half the people stopped going there. She blamed it on Obama by saying people didn't have any money to spend. Her son took it over, took down all the cartoons and signs and they are doing great business again.
Stupid coont.
 
2012-11-04 06:01:33 PM  
Prior to the first debate, I'd see maybe one Romney bumper sticker per week, and zero yard signs. They're far more prominent now. I just hate seeing like forty of them on one street corner...for any candidate actually.

I could see how name recognition could play into it with the smaller races. For example, here in Orlando, there are Marco Peña signs everywhere. They've been popping up like weeds as far back as June or so in the lead up to the Republican primary. His Democratic opponent, Joe Saunders, however only started getting his name out there about a month ago, and we've only been getting his mailers over the past two weeks or so. I think many voters will see Marco Peña on the ballot and instantly recognize his name. Saunders? Not so much. Less informed voters (that doesn't necessarily mean GOP in this case) likely won't know where he stands on anything, but they'll know his name and most of the Marco Peña signs don't mention him being Republican.
 
2012-11-04 06:04:17 PM  

King Something: karmaceutical: Haven't seen too many yard signs this year. All kinds of stupid billboards up and down 95 though. Obama will let Iran nuke Israel. Obama let gas go from $1.89 to $3.65.etc etc.. or the occasional nutter with a "WHITEHOUSE LIES" sign standing by himself at an intersection. I don't want it to ever end.

I saw one of those billboard-trucks on 95 the other day (yesterday, I think?) that said that if Obama wasn't black, he wouldn't be President. The website advertised on the truck is a sucky blog full of right-wing derp and a clip from Dreams Of My Real Father and there is no entry from before 29 OCT 2012 (in other words, it's barely a week old). It also has an open letter to Obama allegedly written by a guy named Derrick A. Coleman who looks like this:

[votetheamericanway.com image 436x477]

but a search for the name only turned up with the basketball player and a reverse image search found nothing but that blog and a bunch of right-wing Pinterest pages. And it looks like a stock photo, to boot.


/The short version of that blog is "Don't vote for the n****r."


So... after Romney concedes, i think we should pool together some funds and put up a "Suck it; Racist Tea Party Asshats!" billboard. Anywhere between Lauderdale to West Palm would be fine
 
2012-11-04 06:05:06 PM  
A good friend was a mid-level campaign worker for Edwards in 2008 (yes, I give him shiat all the time, but it was money and it still looks good on his resume). He said that everyone, from the candidate's chief of staff on down to the lowliest employee with a minimum of poli-sci training, will tell you that signs are absolutely worthless when it comes to major races. Presidential, congressional, and gubernatorial races all have enough name recognition that they don't matter. It's a waste of money to print them, but the local yokels always think otherwise. Now, in a race for county commissioner, local state legislator, or sheriff, there's some utility, but often signs are the last thing those campaigns want to bother with, too.

I have only put one sign in my yard in my lifetime - in 2010, we had an election for sheriff between the 28-year incumbent who was corrupt as all hell. He was slimy as fark, but no one could muster the support necessary to take on his machine. Finally, a guy who had been born and raised in Wilson and had spent years working for the SBI moved back to town and ran against the boss hog.

It was a dirty race, but the challenger knocked him out in the primary. So the sheriff got his chief deputy to run as an independent. I made it a point to put a sign in my yard supporting the challenger because it had been an open secret that the sheriff had controlled the cocaine trade through town for years, and half the department had been on the take.

The challenger finally won, and within a month half the sheriff's department was fired, and a full audit of the evidence lockers was conducted (they found that a few hundred pounds of narcotics, several dozen firearms, a bunch of cash, and numerous other items seized as part of arrests over the years was missing. Hopefully they eventually have enough to arrest the slimeball.
 
2012-11-04 06:29:10 PM  
Why piss of 45-55% of your neighborhood???

Doesn't matter who you support you will piss off someone with your sign and they know where you live or where your place of business is. If you notice the small businesses with the signs are not successful small businesses and the homes with them outside aren't exactly the nicest neighborhoods. There is a reason why.
 
2012-11-04 06:45:57 PM  
They save door knockers a LOT of time. I probably talked to 20 extra people today bc if you have a pro or anti sign up I am not gonna bother knocking.

/knocking for a candidate we endorsed but since we can't coordinate, huge time saver. Huge.
 
2012-11-04 06:58:29 PM  
One of my wife's friends has a yard littered with signs for 7 or 8 of the derpiest candidates imaginable (difficulty: I live in Texas, I can imagine quite a bit). Anyway, I had to drop some stuff off there the other day, and I actually felt self-conscious that, if anyone saw me, they might think I agreed with that crap.

Then I realized that I am the stereotypical suburban liberal dude. I have a ponytail, I was driving our Prius at the time, and I was rocking out to Bob Dylan singing "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again" as I pulled up. I don't think anyone's going to confuse me with a Romney voter.
 
2012-11-04 06:58:32 PM  

karmaceutical: King Something: karmaceutical: Haven't seen too many yard signs this year. All kinds of stupid billboards up and down 95 though. Obama will let Iran nuke Israel. Obama let gas go from $1.89 to $3.65.etc etc.. or the occasional nutter with a "WHITEHOUSE LIES" sign standing by himself at an intersection. I don't want it to ever end.

I saw one of those billboard-trucks on 95 the other day (yesterday, I think?) that said that if Obama wasn't black, he wouldn't be President. The website advertised on the truck is a sucky blog full of right-wing derp and a clip from Dreams Of My Real Father and there is no entry from before 29 OCT 2012 (in other words, it's barely a week old). It also has an open letter to Obama allegedly written by a guy named Derrick A. Coleman who looks like this:

[votetheamericanway.com image 436x477]

but a search for the name only turned up with the basketball player and a reverse image search found nothing but that blog and a bunch of right-wing Pinterest pages. And it looks like a stock photo, to boot.


/The short version of that blog is "Don't vote for the n****r."

So... after Romney concedes, i think we should pool together some funds and put up a "Suck it; Racist Tea Party Asshats!" billboard. Anywhere between Lauderdale to West Palm would be fine


But doesn't Clear Channel own something like half those billboards? No way they'd let a political message that isn't overtly anti-Obama get put up. And most of the rest of those billboards have ads for local businesses.

/your wife is hot
//better get your AC fixed
 
2012-11-04 07:01:45 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: They save door knockers a LOT of time. I probably talked to 20 extra people today bc if you have a pro or anti sign up I am not gonna bother knocking.

/knocking for a candidate we endorsed but since we can't coordinate, huge time saver. Huge.


Yup. Our walkers and callers make notes on the voter lists. Some are like "LOCKED GATE" or "BIG DOGS" or "SCHIZO LADY SCREAMING ABOUT GESTAPO", but often there's a reference to signs in the yard, and a note that they didn't even bother knocking.
 
2012-11-04 07:03:17 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: My family and I went into an establishment we hadn't been to before, sat down and saw they had a bunch of anti-obama stickers all over the place. Like "There's a village in Kenya missing its monkey" with a pic of Obama on it. That was one of the more tame ones too.

We promptly left.


There's a seafood place in Toms River, NJ that's the same way. Thought we'd check it out, walk in, and it's all, "Where's the Birth Certificate", "If you're not pissed off, you haven't been paying attention" (w/the o in off is the Obama logo), "NObama", and, the topper, a sign that made Obama an acronym. I forget the O & first A but remember "Bloodsucking Muslim Alien".

You could also order Freedom Fries & Sarah Palin Alaskan King Crab.
 
2012-11-04 07:09:00 PM  

AkaDad: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The Romney ones are good for a laugh here in blue-as-blue-gets Massachusetts.

Speaking of Romney signs in Mass...


That is awesome
 
2012-11-04 07:33:24 PM  
I do not understand yard signs or bumper stickers. They don't influence anyone who has their mind made up, but they ARE likely to make the other half of the populace hate you. It's some pathetic need to feed your own image, much the same as people who wear Ralph Lauren and think that it makes them look as though they prepped at good private schools and summer at the family's "cottage" in some pricey WASP enclave.

I was driving home from the supermarket on South Beach a week ago, and the car in front of me was a complete clunker that looked about 20 years old. (Disclosure: my car is a 2005 model). Rusted through in parts, dented, etc. It was plastered with stickers for Romney and special order stickers saying things such as, "I'm sick of liberal media bias" and, "I'm onto you, left-wing media." And, of course, NRA stickers.

Eyeroll. Carry on, Bubba.
 
2012-11-04 07:42:40 PM  

AkaDad: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The Romney ones are good for a laugh here in blue-as-blue-gets Massachusetts.

Speaking of Romney signs in Mass...

[i7.photobucket.com image 403x403]


Ha! Love it. That family will probably last since they have a sense of humor about differences in politics. You can imagine the conversation: He: I'm putting the damned sign up! She: Over my dead body! He: I'm STILL putting the damned sign up! She: Fine! The kids and I will put up a sign saying we disown it!

I'll bet they had great make-up sex after they both put their feet and their signs firmly down in that yard.
 
2012-11-04 08:06:29 PM  

GWSuperfan: For local elections in particular, having your name be first on the ballot is usually worth a 5-10% bump in the numbers.

but what do I know, I'm just running a local campaign.


That's interesting. I filled in and mailed an absentee ballot over a week ago here in FL, and I don't remember what it looked like. But today, I looked at the sample ballot in FL online. In the online example, every Republican candidate is listed ahead of every Democratic candidate. Official Sample Ballot. Maybe they send out half the other way. I didn't notice when I was filling it in. If not, grr.

But I did notice that the Florida legislature cut early voting days and specifically banned it on Sunday, since in 2008, many black voters were taken by bus from church to early voting polls the Sunday before the election. The GOP-controlled legislature banned early voting on Sundays this time around and didn't bother to explain why. They didn't have to.

Miami-Dade, where I live and which leans (D), simply said, fine. You can't vote early today, but if you show up, we'll give you an absentee voter ballot. You can file that instead.
 
2012-11-04 08:12:41 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: GWSuperfan: For local elections in particular, having your name be first on the ballot is usually worth a 5-10% bump in the numbers.

but what do I know, I'm just running a local campaign.

That's interesting. I filled in and mailed an absentee ballot over a week ago here in FL, and I don't remember what it looked like. But today, I looked at the sample ballot in FL online. In the online example, every Republican candidate is listed ahead of every Democratic candidate. Official Sample Ballot. Maybe they send out half the other way. I didn't notice when I was filling it in. If not, grr.

But I did notice that the Florida legislature cut early voting days and specifically banned it on Sunday, since in 2008, many black voters were taken by bus from church to early voting polls the Sunday before the election. The GOP-controlled legislature banned early voting on Sundays this time around and didn't bother to explain why. They didn't have to.

Miami-Dade, where I live and which leans (D), simply said, fine. You can't vote early today, but if you show up, we'll give you an absentee voter ballot. You can file that instead.


In my state, it goes in the order the party was founded. Republican trumps Democrat. After that, alphabetical.

I think the last on the list (and hence, last on the list in each race) is the US Taxpayers party (wtf that is). Or maybe Natural Law (wtf that is).

/those + Green + Libertarian + Dem + Republican = my ballot in Michigan
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-04 08:16:12 PM  
ElizaDoolittle

See Florida Statutes 101.151(3)(a):
The names of the candidates of the party that received the highest number of votes for Governor in the last election in which a Governor was elected shall be placed first for each office on the general election ballot, together with an appropriate abbreviation of the party name; the names of the candidates of the party that received the second highest vote for Governor shall be placed second for each office, together with an appropriate abbreviation of the party name.
 
2012-11-04 08:22:31 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: In my state, it goes in the order the party was founded. Republican trumps Democrat. After that, alphabetical.


For non-partisan races (local stuff), the order is determined by lot here. The county registrar of voters basically picks names out of a hat, and the order they come out is the order they are in on the ballot.
 
2012-11-04 08:25:58 PM  

vygramul: How much do they charge you? Is it a form of fund-raising, or is it more along the lines of cost recovery? I find this strange and interesting.


Gosh, why did Benevolent Misanthrope disappear after you started asking specific questions? I guess we'll never know for sure whether or not he was telling the truth about being charged for signs.
 
2012-11-04 08:53:54 PM  

solokumba: whollyholeyholy: In particular the shop owners around the corner with all the racist bumper stickers on the wall behind the cash register.

There was a sandwich shop that began doing the same thing after Obama won in '08. They had a pretty diverse clientele. The owner, a woman, just didn't understand why half the people stopped going there. She blamed it on Obama by saying people didn't have any money to spend. Her son took it over, took down all the cartoons and signs and they are doing great business again.
Stupid coont.

This is a bait shop in the historic district of a colonial era town, adjacent to what has been historically an African-American neighborhood. It's a business model I don't really understand. On many levels.
 
2012-11-04 08:59:42 PM  
I'm tempted to put up some Romney signs as a reverse get out the vote campaign for Obama. Every time I see one it reminds me that I really need to make sure I vote on Tuesday.

Obama only won by 14,000 votes here in 2008, who knows what state do I live in?
 
2012-11-04 09:51:24 PM  

ZAZ:

See Florida Statutes 101.151(3)(a):The names of the candidates of the party that received the highest number of votes for Governor in the last election in which a Governor was elected shall be placed first for each office on the general election ballot, together with an appropriate abbreviation of the party name; the names of the candidates of the party that received the second highest vote for Governor shall be placed second for each office, together with an appropriate abbreviation of the party name.


I googled but I can't find the date this statute was enacted. Was it before or after a GOP candidate was made Governor?

Either way, it is biased if what you say is true - that 5% vote for the first candidate on the ballot.

In a swing state with a lot of electoral votes?
 
2012-11-04 10:22:53 PM  
there hasn't been a single sign on my street and for that I've been incredibly thankful. If any of my neighbors had put an Akin sign in their yard, I was going to give my 3 year old daughter instructions to stay the fark away from that house and explain that owners were most likely flesh eating cannibals.
 
2012-11-04 10:53:01 PM  

GWSuperfan: StreetlightInTheGhetto: They save door knockers a LOT of time. I probably talked to 20 extra people today bc if you have a pro or anti sign up I am not gonna bother knocking.

/knocking for a candidate we endorsed but since we can't coordinate, huge time saver. Huge.

Yup. Our walkers and callers make notes on the voter lists. Some are like "LOCKED GATE" or "BIG DOGS" or "SCHIZO LADY SCREAMING ABOUT GESTAPO", but often there's a reference to signs in the yard, and a note that they didn't even bother knocking.


infinite-picard-facepalm.jpg

If you're knocking doors today, you're trying to get people to vote. It's not about persuasion. The entire point is to talk to people on the list who have not voted and tell them to go vote already so that people stop showing up on their door.

DON'T SKIP PEOPLE. Even if it's Romney sign, it could belong to someone else in the household who is not your target. People are on those walk lists for a reason.
 
2012-11-04 10:54:06 PM  
I think the last time I brought up election reform someone said it was impossible and a bunch of people just nodded their heads in silent agreement, so oh well.
 
2012-11-04 11:00:17 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: GWSuperfan: For local elections in particular, having your name be first on the ballot is usually worth a 5-10% bump in the numbers.

but what do I know, I'm just running a local campaign.

That's interesting. I filled in and mailed an absentee ballot over a week ago here in FL, and I don't remember what it looked like. But today, I looked at the sample ballot in FL online. In the online example, every Republican candidate is listed ahead of every Democratic candidate. Official Sample Ballot. Maybe they send out half the other way. I didn't notice when I was filling it in. If not, grr.

But I did notice that the Florida legislature cut early voting days and specifically banned it on Sunday, since in 2008, many black voters were taken by bus from church to early voting polls the Sunday before the election. The GOP-controlled legislature banned early voting on Sundays this time around and didn't bother to explain why. They didn't have to.

Miami-Dade, where I live and which leans (D), simply said, fine. You can't vote early today, but if you show up, we'll give you an absentee voter ballot. You can file that instead.


It is why a top notch election should have the ballot order randomized on each individual ballot.
 
2012-11-04 11:03:40 PM  

Aexia: If you're knocking doors today, you're trying to get people to vote. It's not about persuasion. The entire point is to talk to people on the list who have not voted and tell them to go vote already so that people stop showing up on their door.

DON'T SKIP PEOPLE. Even if it's Romney sign, it could belong to someone else in the household who is not your target. People are on those walk lists for a reason.


A) I wasn't saying that this was happening today
B) if there's only one voter in the house, and your opponent's sign is in their yard, it's a waste of time.
 
2012-11-04 11:15:09 PM  
Oh, I don't know, the big orange and black "DEFEND FREEDOM, DEFEAT OBAMA" sign on my road sure had an effect on me. I totally changed my vote. Except not.

"MAKE SURE MARS DOESN'T TAKE OVER OUR SPOT AS THIRD FROM THE SUN. DEFEAT OBAMA." um OK.
 
2012-11-04 11:26:09 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I probably talked to 20 extra people today bc if you have a pro or anti sign up I am not gonna bother knocking.


...at least until it's time for the "So, what time are you voting" get-out-the-vote drive. But still saves half the bother; if the GOP voters want to sleep in, the Democrats are usually OK with the notion of tip-toeing by.
 
2012-11-04 11:33:39 PM  

Aexia: GWSuperfan: StreetlightInTheGhetto: They save door knockers a LOT of time. I probably talked to 20 extra people today bc if you have a pro or anti sign up I am not gonna bother knocking.

/knocking for a candidate we endorsed but since we can't coordinate, huge time saver. Huge.

Yup. Our walkers and callers make notes on the voter lists. Some are like "LOCKED GATE" or "BIG DOGS" or "SCHIZO LADY SCREAMING ABOUT GESTAPO", but often there's a reference to signs in the yard, and a note that they didn't even bother knocking.

infinite-picard-facepalm.jpg

If you're knocking doors today, you're trying to get people to vote. It's not about persuasion. The entire point is to talk to people on the list who have not voted and tell them to go vote already so that people stop showing up on their door.

DON'T SKIP PEOPLE. Even if it's Romney sign, it could belong to someone else in the household who is not your target. People are on those walk lists for a reason.


NO I AM NOT.

I was walking for undecided/undeclared voters. Followup will be done with Maybe and Yes tomorrow and on election day via phone.

So those people I marked as "yes" will be followed up with. But if I had spent time talking to them, I would have missed at least some of the 20 people I talked to in the latter part of my day - many of whom I convinced to vote for my candidate. At least 6 didn't know they had to flip over the ballot to vote for the Supreme Court justices, and that voting "Straight Dem" wouldn't cut it. At least 3 didn't know where their polling place was.

If you have a sign from the candidate, I'd wager it's INCREDIBLY likely that that campaign has data on you already and is gonna make sure you get out.

I was knocking for a non-profit group that can't coordinate with that candidate, but has endorsed her, and in an incredibly tight race we donated our time and coordinated our own effort to talk to UNDECIDEDS. That is what I did.
 
2012-11-04 11:38:03 PM  

Aexia: People are on those walk lists for a reason


Oh, and as someone who has worked with walk lists, I know they're *only* as good as the data that comprises them and the person making them up.

I was given, easily, 1.5x the doors I knew I could reasonably handle in the time I had (better than yesterday, where I gave two people in my crew *over 2 square miles* of walk list info... for *Four Hours* of knocking... and I myself yesterday had easily 2x the doors I could reasonably handle if only 10% even had someone answer).

So I prioritize.
 
2012-11-05 12:59:15 AM  

whidbey: I think the last time I brought up election reform someone said it was impossible and a bunch of people just nodded their heads in silent agreement, so oh well.


It requires a constitutional amendment, and there's no way DC, DE, NH, VT, and all those flyover red states will agree to it.
 
2012-11-05 01:24:23 AM  

vygramul: whidbey: I think the last time I brought up election reform someone said it was impossible and a bunch of people just nodded their heads in silent agreement, so oh well.

It requires a constitutional amendment, and there's no way DC, DE, NH, VT, and all those flyover red states will agree to it.


They have to.

I believe election/campaign reform could be the first positive Great Uniter in this country's history.
 
2012-11-05 12:29:17 PM  

vygramul: It requires a constitutional amendment, and there's no way DC, DE, NH, VT, and all those flyover red states will agree to it.


The last time it made it past the House the obstacle in the Senate was the (just cracked) Solid South.

whidbey: I believe election/campaign reform could be the first positive Great Uniter in this country's history.


Depends how people weigh "fair" elections versus "my side winning" elections.
I bet the obstacle would still mostly be the South.
 
2012-11-05 01:21:00 PM  

abb3w: vygramul: It requires a constitutional amendment, and there's no way DC, DE, NH, VT, and all those flyover red states will agree to it.

The last time it made it past the House the obstacle in the Senate was the (just cracked) Solid South.

whidbey: I believe election/campaign reform could be the first positive Great Uniter in this country's history.

Depends how people weigh "fair" elections versus "my side winning" elections.
I bet the obstacle would still mostly be the South.


Well, of COURSE it would make it trough the House. It's ratification is what would never succeed.
 
2012-11-05 01:21:37 PM  
Its.
 
2012-11-05 04:09:35 PM  

vygramul: whidbey: I think the last time I brought up election reform someone said it was impossible and a bunch of people just nodded their heads in silent agreement, so oh well.

It requires a constitutional amendment, and there's no way DC, DE, NH, VT, and all those flyover red states will agree to it.


DC and Vermont both pasted the National Popular Vote Interestate Compact (both were since the 2008 election as well), as well as Hawaii where the legislature actually overrode the governor's veto. The support and opposition lines are definitely based more on political affiliation than state size.
 
2012-11-05 11:05:17 PM  

James F. Campbell: vygramul: How much do they charge you? Is it a form of fund-raising, or is it more along the lines of cost recovery? I find this strange and interesting.

Gosh, why did Benevolent Misanthrope disappear after you started asking specific questions? I guess we'll never know for sure whether or not he was telling the truth about being charged for signs.


She disappeared because she had to get up and go to her job early. You know, work. Some of us have it, and we don;t Fark around while we're there. We even live in our own homes and pay our own bills. You should maybe look into it

To answer the question - IIRC, they wanted a $50 or better donation in 2008 before they would give you a yard sign. I didn't pay up, so I may be mistaken - it may be more.

This year, I have not seen one Obama campaign sign, on any right of way. But the I live in Washington State, which is such a lock they're unlikely to spend any money. Especially in deep, deep blue Tacoma. I haven't dropped through the OFA office here, but I do know alot of folks in my District are pissed off at the whole no free yard signs thing. I didn't ask how much the OFA folks wanted for them, but I gather they thought it daylight robbery. And this same group were really pissed off about the same thing 4 years ago.
 
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