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(Deadline)   Box office wrecked by Disney's latest animated feature, which takes the top spot and $50 million at the box office. Flight is a distant second, and the Wu-Tang's RZA is in dire financial straits after his film bombs   (deadline.com) divider line 72
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2012-11-04 12:05:18 PM
"Our strategy was to aim our efforts at sophisticated moviegoers and have a strong push for men and African Americans," a studio exec explains to me.

I have to deal with these people. This is how they actually speak, not just in press releases.
 
2012-11-04 01:43:09 PM
He better diversify his bonds
 
2012-11-04 02:00:31 PM

Mugato: "Our strategy was to aim our efforts at sophisticated moviegoers and have a strong push for men and African Americans," a studio exec explains to me.

I have to deal with these people. This is how they actually speak, not just in press releases.


I will say this, the movie is chock-full of good black role models; Denzel's character notwithstanding.
 
2012-11-04 02:14:34 PM
I loved the trailer of Man with the Iron Fists, however Hulu has a "sneak peak" at at one of the fight scenes from the movie. Oh my god is it horrible. The choreography is bad, the timing is bad, and the edits are bad. Instead of all flowing together as if one large fight, with the way they edited it it actually pauses between each move, you can actually see "Ok, they finished that take, now they'll set up for the next part".

I have to image this was done purposefully as an ode to poorly done 70's Kung Fu flicks, but it doesn't work. This is no Black Dynamite.
 
2012-11-04 03:17:18 PM
Still way ahead of Atlas Shrugged II: Neocon jizzfest boogaloo
 
2012-11-04 03:31:45 PM
Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.
 
2012-11-04 03:34:29 PM

ShawnDoc: I loved the trailer of Man with the Iron Fists, however Hulu has a "sneak peak" at at one of the fight scenes from the movie. Oh my god is it horrible. The choreography is bad, the timing is bad, and the edits are bad. Instead of all flowing together as if one large fight, with the way they edited it it actually pauses between each move, you can actually see "Ok, they finished that take, now they'll set up for the next part".

I have to image this was done purposefully as an ode to poorly done 70's Kung Fu flicks, but it doesn't work. This is no Black Dynamite.


Yeah the reviews said it was filmed completely straight faced, no humor. Just a badly filmed and directed kung-fu movie that takes itself way to seriously.
 
2012-11-04 03:37:19 PM
Rza will be OK. He diversified his bonds.
 
2012-11-04 03:38:22 PM
RZA made a niche movie for $15 million. Movie earned more than half that back in 3 days. It'll break even in America. Overseas it will make a lot more money. Probably have a good life with rentals and cable.

It's it an over-the top success? No. But it's a good first step for a first time filmmaker.
 
2012-11-04 03:42:03 PM
the cartoon before Wreck it Ralph is very well done.
 
2012-11-04 03:52:14 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: RZA made a niche movie for $15 million. Movie earned more than half that back in 3 days. It'll break even in America. Overseas it will make a lot more money. Probably have a good life with rentals and cable.


I saw it, it was over the top, which is to be expected. It was what it presented as, a sterotypical martial arts flick.
Won't buy the dvd but it was a good enough excuse to buy popcorn.
 
2012-11-04 03:52:57 PM
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: it's a good first step for a first time filmmaker

Depends on what you mean by "good". It's a successful first step. But at least this particular hip-hop-fu flick didn't shame Jet Li.
 
2012-11-04 03:53:16 PM
I don't get why studios try to go up against these animated movies. Disney, Pixar etc. They always top charts. Especially after hurricane Sandy people are looking for family-friendly escapism.
 
2012-11-04 03:56:44 PM
Wreck it Ralph was a very good movie. Highly recommended.
 
2012-11-04 03:58:23 PM

Jobber8742: Wreck it Ralph was a very good movie. Highly recommended.


Agreed.
 
2012-11-04 03:58:39 PM
On the RZA movie: I have long come to the conclusion that if a movie says that it is "presented by Quentin Tarantino", and not actually directed and/or written by him, it's gonna suck donkey balls. The presence of hackmeister Eli Roth is another major red flag as well.
 
2012-11-04 03:59:11 PM

redmond24: I don't get why studios try to go up against these animated movies. Disney, Pixar etc. They always top charts. Especially after hurricane Sandy people are looking for family-friendly escapism.


Well there's only so many weeks in the year. You hold your movie a week, it's just going to get it's ass handed to it by Skyfall the next, or Twilight the week after.
 
2012-11-04 04:00:24 PM
I think every Universal has bombed in the last 3 years aside from Fast Five and Bourne.
 
2012-11-04 04:01:08 PM
Universal film, I mean
 
2012-11-04 04:07:02 PM

Waldo Pepper: the cartoon before Wreck it Ralph is very well done.


Agreed. It told the story brilliantly, and I loved the style, which looked like it was a mashup of pencil drawn and CGI.

Wreck-It Ralph was also a whole lot of fun. You could tell it was made by people who truly loved video games, unlike the crappy video game movies I remember from when I was a kid. There were so many great in-jokes, such as the Konami Code making an appearance.
 
2012-11-04 04:13:58 PM
All your base, Leeroy and Aerith are all nodded to, but sit through the credits.
 
2012-11-04 04:17:13 PM
Wreck it Ralph WAS a good movie but WAY too much time spent in "Sugar Rush"
The whole movie could have been 1/2 hour shorter.
But I really enjoyed it nonetheless!
 
2012-11-04 04:21:59 PM

drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.


Ice Cube, dude. Qualifies as a big star. Ice T more on the small screen. Mos Def is a good actor.
 
2012-11-04 04:34:28 PM

drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.


i dont know what the box office was, but i liked DMX in Exit wounds
 
2012-11-04 04:37:38 PM

Waldo Pepper: the cartoon before Wreck it Ralph is very well done.


i didnt see it in 3D, if you did, was in in 3D as well? everytime i see a movie in 2D i cant help but feel i am seeing the superior and less expensive version of it.

/avatar was the only movie to see in 3d, and 3d was the only reason to see that movie.

//i think there was a joke in the avengers about not being able to see 3d with fury's only eye that almost went over my head

/threadjack? sorry
 
2012-11-04 04:47:23 PM

Mad_Radhu: Waldo Pepper: the cartoon before Wreck it Ralph is very well done.

Agreed. It told the story brilliantly, and I loved the style, which looked like it was a mashup of pencil drawn and CGI.

Wreck-It Ralph was also a whole lot of fun. You could tell it was made by people who truly loved video games, unlike the crappy video game movies I remember from when I was a kid. There were so many great in-jokes, such as the Konami Code making an appearance.


Yes! if you stay thru the credits at the end, there is a final scene (won't spoil it) but the kids behind had no clue what it was about, their guesses were funny.
 
2012-11-04 04:48:34 PM

buntz: Wreck it Ralph WAS a good movie but WAY too much time spent in "Sugar Rush"
The whole movie could have been 1/2 hour shorter.
But I really enjoyed it nonetheless!


got to remember it is still a kids movie.
 
2012-11-04 04:49:28 PM

drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.

 

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2012-11-04 04:52:25 PM

Waldo Pepper: Yes! if you stay thru the credits at the end, there is a final scene (won't spoil it) but the kids behind had no clue what it was about, their guesses were funny.


You're talking about this, right?
 
2012-11-04 04:52:45 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.

Ice Cube, dude. Qualifies as a big star. Ice T more on the small screen. Mos Def is a good actor.


Come on Fark you're forgetting the most famous and successful one.

Will Smith
 
2012-11-04 04:53:48 PM

Waldo Pepper: got to remember it is still a kids movie.


No, yeah, I "get" it and it was certainly enjoyable for an adult. Just felt it was too long in one area. I was expecting the race to maybe spill out into other games (except the girl couldn't leave her own game).
But it would have funny to see them, say, be racing down the road Frogger was trying to cross, or to merge in with Pole Position.
You know, potential, but still really enjoyable!


My 10 year old ran home and started playing Kid Icarus. The ORIGINAL Kid Icarus!
 
2012-11-04 05:00:05 PM

drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.


Hmmmmm

Ice Cube, Ice T, and Will Smith would like a few words. Hell, Mos Def was great in 16 Blocks and good in other projects. DMX always plays DMX so we won't comment on that one. He is the rapper version of Christian Slater.
 
2012-11-04 05:01:59 PM

buntz: Waldo Pepper: got to remember it is still a kids movie.

No, yeah, I "get" it and it was certainly enjoyable for an adult. Just felt it was too long in one area. I was expecting the race to maybe spill out into other games (except the girl couldn't leave her own game).
But it would have funny to see them, say, be racing down the road Frogger was trying to cross, or to merge in with Pole Position.
You know, potential, but still really enjoyable!


My 10 year old ran home and started playing Kid Icarus. The ORIGINAL Kid Icarus!


I have to wonder how many people in the audience had any clue what Tapper was before the movie. Even my wife hadn't heard of that game.
 
2012-11-04 05:18:57 PM
That Golden Fists movie looks horrible. What the hell is it even about? The previews just show a bunch of random actors screaming in pre-fight poses. And Flight? Are non-comedic airline movies ever any good?
 
2012-11-04 05:23:39 PM
Hope Russell Crowe got paid a shiatload for that pantload.
 
2012-11-04 05:39:15 PM
To be fair, as far as the last couple of weeks' releases they're pretty much coming in in order of quality:

1. Wreck-It Ralph 3D (Disney) NEW [Runs 3,752] PG
Friday $13.4M, Saturday $21.2M, Weekend $50.0M

2. Flight (Paramount) NEW [Runs 1,900] R
Friday $8.0M, Saturday $10.6M, Weekend $25.0M

4. The Man With The Iron Fists (Universal) NEW [Runs 1,868] R
Friday $3.0M, Saturday $3.0M, Weekend $8.2M

6. Cloud Atlas (Warner Bros) Week 2 [Runs 2,013] R
Friday $1.5M, Saturday $2.3M, Weekend $5.2M (-45%), Cume $18.2M

10. Silent Hill: Revelation (Open Road) Week 2 [Runs 2,933] R
Friday $1.0M, Saturday $1.4M, Weekend $3.1M (-60%), Cume $13.7M


That's pretty much the order I'd put them in as far as overall quality goes and exactly the order I'd put them in in terms of writing and story quality.

Admittedly Iron Fists did have a couple refugees from a better kung fu movie, had they cut every part RZA was in the bits with the knife dude and brassboy would have stood up much better on their own, and even Russel Crowe's apparently entirely different movie with the 1800s europe-dominated China spy thriller thing wouldn't have been terrible if the non-sequitirs about alchemist Buddhist magical kickboxers were stripped out.

But yeah, with the self-aggrandizing mary-sue shiat written by (I assume) RZA's 3-year-old cousin? Pretty bad movie. Not Cloud Atlas level boring or mediocre, but pretty dull.
 
2012-11-04 05:47:13 PM

Mad_Radhu: I have to wonder how many people in the audience had any clue what Tapper was before the movie. Even my wife hadn't heard of that game.


I was JUST talking to MY wife about the Tapper scene and she didn't remember it either. Loved seeing the Burger Time chef at the bar too
 
2012-11-04 05:47:21 PM
Wreck-it-Ralph is better than every Pixar movie except Wall-E and Up.
 
2012-11-04 05:49:35 PM

texdent: Jobber8742: Wreck it Ralph was a very good movie. Highly recommended.

Agreed.


Thirded.

There's a point where he first arrives in Sugar Rush where you think "Okay, this is going to be nothing but kiddie fare and broad physical comedy." But it gets much, much better.
 
2012-11-04 06:05:51 PM

JayR30: drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.

Hmmmmm

Ice Cube, Ice T, and Will Smith would like a few words. Hell, Mos Def was great in 16 Blocks and good in other projects. DMX always plays DMX so we won't comment on that one. He is the rapper version of Christian Slater.


shiat, forgot about Will Smith and Ice Cube. Their shiatty movie career has caused me to blank out their music entirely I guess. Marky Mark doesn't count surely? 'cause whatever that was, I'm pretty sure it wasn't rap.
 
2012-11-04 06:32:56 PM

Trocadero: Wreck-it-Ralph is better than every Pixar movie except Wall-E and Up.


I watched Up for the second time this week, and I had to write a short paper about how it depicted old people so I was a bit more critical this time around. I didn't like it as well this time. I just couldn't understand why the central conflict to the movie ever took place. Muntz wanted to take the bird alive, so why did Carl lie and resist? Until Muntz realized he was being lied to, he hadn't shown any indications that he was paranoid and dangerous.
 
2012-11-04 06:47:44 PM

JonZoidberg: I watched Up for the second time this week, and I had to write a short paper about how it depicted old people so I was a bit more critical this time around. I didn't like it as well this time. I just couldn't understand why the central conflict to the movie ever took place. Muntz wanted to take the bird alive, so why did Carl lie and resist? Until Muntz realized he was being lied to, he hadn't shown any indications that he was paranoid and dangerous.


I loved Up until the dog's flying airplanes. The guy invented talking collars, he didn't genetically engineer the dogs to be smarter! They were still dumb dogs, we could just understand them.

I wasn't happy about them serving dinner either, but that was more acceptable than flying airplanes (though I did love the "Gray 1, standing by. Gray 5, standing by" gag. That was clever).
 
2012-11-04 07:42:17 PM

drewogatory: JayR30: drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.

Hmmmmm

Ice Cube, Ice T, and Will Smith would like a few words. Hell, Mos Def was great in 16 Blocks and good in other projects. DMX always plays DMX so we won't comment on that one. He is the rapper version of Christian Slater.

shiat, forgot about Will Smith and Ice Cube. Their shiatty movie career has caused me to blank out their music entirely I guess. Marky Mark doesn't count surely? 'cause whatever that was, I'm pretty sure it wasn't rap.


While you can't really consider Will Smith "rap" as it is defined now, he had a nice little party talk-over career. You seem to be mixing movies like MIB with Legend of Bagger Vance and Six Degrees of Separation.

Actually quite a few rappers and 'singers' have good acting careers. See also David Bowie (no longer doing anything), Dwight Yokam and more.
 
2012-11-04 07:45:58 PM

Trocadero: Wreck-it-Ralph is better than every Pixar movie except Wall-E and Up.


I disagree, but it was better than Cars & Cars 2.
/haven't seen Brave yet
 
2012-11-04 07:47:33 PM
I thought WIR was alright, but I was disappointed there wasn't more crossover or in jokes. Anybody know why Qbert was the "main" classic character?
 
2012-11-04 07:50:37 PM

JayR30: drewogatory: JayR30: drewogatory: Has a rapper ever had a big box office success? Pretty sure this will join all those other flicks and play endlessly on Starz or BET.

Hmmmmm

Ice Cube, Ice T, and Will Smith would like a few words. Hell, Mos Def was great in 16 Blocks and good in other projects. DMX always plays DMX so we won't comment on that one. He is the rapper version of Christian Slater.

shiat, forgot about Will Smith and Ice Cube. Their shiatty movie career has caused me to blank out their music entirely I guess. Marky Mark doesn't count surely? 'cause whatever that was, I'm pretty sure it wasn't rap.

While you can't really consider Will Smith "rap" as it is defined now, he had a nice little party talk-over career. You seem to be mixing movies like MIB with Legend of Bagger Vance and Six Degrees of Separation.

Actually quite a few rappers and 'singers' have good acting careers. See also David Bowie (no longer doing anything), Dwight Yokam and more.


I guess I was referring to rappers in particular "opening" a big movie as the top billing. I was wrong anyway, but I was never referring to bit parts/supporting roles.
 
2012-11-04 07:52:41 PM
'Presented by' Quentin Tarantino allows QT to keep his name Out There in between the eight years or so it takes him to put a film together.
 
2012-11-04 08:07:26 PM

JonZoidberg: Trocadero: Wreck-it-Ralph is better than every Pixar movie except Wall-E and Up.

I watched Up for the second time this week, and I had to write a short paper about how it depicted old people so I was a bit more critical this time around. I didn't like it as well this time. I just couldn't understand why the central conflict to the movie ever took place. Muntz wanted to take the bird alive, so why did Carl lie and resist? Until Muntz realized he was being lied to, he hadn't shown any indications that he was paranoid and dangerous.


Up is an overall good movie, but it's Great status rest solely on the first 10 minutes. The rest is good, but not nearly as great.
 
2012-11-04 08:25:21 PM

buntz: JonZoidberg: I watched Up for the second time this week, and I had to write a short paper about how it depicted old people so I was a bit more critical this time around. I didn't like it as well this time. I just couldn't understand why the central conflict to the movie ever took place. Muntz wanted to take the bird alive, so why did Carl lie and resist? Until Muntz realized he was being lied to, he hadn't shown any indications that he was paranoid and dangerous.

I loved Up until the dog's flying airplanes. The guy invented talking collars, he didn't genetically engineer the dogs to be smarter! They were still dumb dogs, we could just understand them.

I wasn't happy about them serving dinner either, but that was more acceptable than flying airplanes (though I did love the "Gray 1, standing by. Gray 5, standing by" gag. That was clever).


I agree there too. The story near the end kinda went off the rails.
 
2012-11-04 09:26:40 PM

Jobber8742: Wreck it Ralph was a very good movie. Highly recommended.


My kids and I loved it. And as someone else mentioned upthread, the cartoon "Paper man" before it is great.
 
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