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2012-11-04 12:48:09 PM

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


How so? Doing gay porn isn't any more illegal than straight porn.
 
2012-11-04 12:49:59 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: She's also got a couple of videos on xhamster.com

Just put Tiffany Six in the search.


And one is 26 minutes long, for those of you who have to be at the gym.
 
2012-11-04 12:51:14 PM
By this reasoning, since every teacher has sex, drinks, smokes, or does something "bad" at some point in their lives, we should fire all of them to protect the precious children and punish them for their horrible evil actions.
 
2012-11-04 12:51:24 PM
I am hot for teacher,
 
2012-11-04 12:53:00 PM

snocone: Just farking perfect!
This gal is supposed to live up to some Christian Taliban standards while there are no, none, not any, absolutely zero prosecutions on Wall Street.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


Wall St. has all our nice things.
 
2012-11-04 12:53:49 PM

titwrench: Meh. the future Mrs. titwrench did all that stuff this morning and she is still an upstanding member of society.


Yeah, she sure got some "stuff" done alright. Next time you can participate too, if you manage to maintain an, uh, upstanding member.
 
2012-11-04 12:55:53 PM
She lied and got caught.  Not an issue.  She agreed to a job with draconian rules and she lied.  I don't have to agree with the law, but it is there.  Change it if you will, I'm not that concerned.  All I said was she was wrong and now it is a cool story, well not so much.
 
2012-11-04 12:56:07 PM
If you need money and your first thought is "I should take it in the pooper on camera to earn money" then I'm ok with you not teaching kids.

I completely support your decision to continue doing porn though. That's where her first love lay...
 
2012-11-04 12:57:33 PM
And if she had lied about having obtained her degree?

Would it have been an outrage to fire her for that as well?
 
2012-11-04 12:59:18 PM

ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.


I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.
 
2012-11-04 01:00:17 PM
The basis of all slut shaming is jealousy. Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.

And that's where this comes from. Don't hand me that shiat about 'she lied on her contract.' The base for all of these spurious excuses is that parents and other old types are afraid of sex because it means they're either getting older, that they didn't invent the concept of sex (which all young people really believe, on some level), or that they haven't gotten any and feel ugly and want it to go away.
 
2012-11-04 01:00:53 PM

ShannonKW: ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.

I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.


Lol
 
2012-11-04 01:01:36 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: The basis of all slut shaming is jealousy. Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.

And that's where this comes from. Don't hand me that shiat about 'she lied on her contract.' The base for all of these spurious excuses is that parents and other old types are afraid of sex because it means they're either getting older, that they didn't invent the concept of sex (which all young people really believe, on some level), or that they haven't gotten any and feel ugly and want it to go away.


I think we found who else has some videos uploaded. Or wishes they did.
 
2012-11-04 01:01:44 PM

Prey4reign: Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?


Pretty sure the first teacher I fapped to was 5th grade, then middle school was kind of a hot teacher desert, then high school miss othmayer was the reason my mom started buying the bulk pack tissues at price club.
 
2012-11-04 01:04:34 PM

snocone: Just farking perfect!
This gal is supposed to live up to some Christian Taliban standards while there are no, none, not any, absolutely zero prosecutions on Wall Street.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


B..b...but boobs........ an...an...and blowjobs fer chrissakes!

/ agree 100%
 
2012-11-04 01:05:14 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.


I chortled.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:30 PM
Old news is old.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:42 PM

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


How anyone can call Mitt Romney or Barack Obama extreme when France just had an election featuring Le Penn and Hollande is beyond me.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:50 PM
How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?
 
2012-11-04 01:13:50 PM

cabbyman: If you need money and your first thought is "I should take it in the pooper on camera to earn money" then I'm ok with you not teaching kids.

I completely support your decision to continue doing porn though. That's where her first love lay...


According to her she was propositioned a few times before she decided to do it. For some people who are unemployed, crushed by debt and need money, it's not a stretch to see how they would give in when offered $1,500 per 'scene', which is what, half a day of work?

But this isn't about ethics, it's about her ability to be an effective teacher at this point. She can't possibly resume her work as a junior high school teacher after this. Maybe early grade school but no way can she expect the raging hormones sitting in her classroom to pay attention to anything she says in class.
 
2012-11-04 01:21:09 PM

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Yeah. It sucks that there's consequences to the decisions we make...
 
2012-11-04 01:22:30 PM

AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?


The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.
 
2012-11-04 01:25:10 PM
How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.
 
2012-11-04 01:30:18 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I was all ready to be outraged until I read both the article and the original it linked to.

She's being fired for lying. BFD.


If I were her, I'd sue him for sexual harassment. You can't just randomly start talking to someone about their sex life, especially when you're their boss. And if they ask you to drop it, and you keep bringing up their sex life, well then you probably deserve to be prosecuted and fired as well.

She's being fired because she didn't want to talk about her sex life with her boss, you goddamn moron.
 
2012-11-04 01:31:14 PM
She was teaching eighth graders, so that would be 13-year old boys and girls? That's fine, it's not like 13-year olds are going through puberty and have mad internet skills or anything.

"That part of my life was a long time ago," said Halas, who said she left the porn-film industry in August 2006. "I did not think there was anything on the Internet."
 
2012-11-04 01:31:47 PM

rushthatspeaks: How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.


I don't see how one affects the other. Apparently she was doing a perfectly fine job as a teacher. No one has disputed that. This idea that you have to be sexually moral to be good at something totally unrelated is very puritan. You can, for example, still be a fine President while having 'sexual relations' with young hotties. And you can still be a good teacher after having been paid for raunchy sex on film, apparently. The problem is that she can't now effectively teach because her students now know what she did.
 
2012-11-04 01:34:45 PM
You guys are crazy. She's a solid 7 conservatively. I would totally hit that.
 
2012-11-04 01:35:29 PM

WhippingBoy: It sucks that there's consequences to the decisions we make...


So something that has nothing to do with anything should be held against someone?
 
2012-11-04 01:35:45 PM

fozziewazzi: rushthatspeaks: How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.

I don't see how one affects the other. Apparently she was doing a perfectly fine job as a teacher. No one has disputed that. This idea that you have to be sexually moral to be good at something totally unrelated is very puritan. You can, for example, still be a fine President while having 'sexual relations' with young hotties. And you can still be a good teacher after having been paid for raunchy sex on film, apparently. The problem is that she can't now effectively teach because her students now know what she did.


Clinton didn't get disbarred for the act. He got disbarred for lying under oath.

She's getting fired for lying as well. She should just go back to porn. It sounds like she was good at that as well.
 
2012-11-04 01:37:45 PM
I need to remind myself of something...maybe later...stuck at work...but i need to remind myself of something...maybe i will remember it...
 
2012-11-04 01:41:44 PM

TomD9938: And if she had lied about having obtained her degree?

Would it have been an outrage to fire her for that as well?


Nope. The degree isn't a morality issue. A degree is a qualification to teach. Having video of sexual acts is a morality issue and has nothing to do with her qualifications for teaching.

The issue that I'm having is that there exists, a morality clause that says that a person can be fired for doing something perfectly legal, that people may object to. As far as I'm concerned, this is more like someone failing to note on their application that they were a member of a legal college political group.
 
2012-11-04 01:44:53 PM

fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg


Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.
 
2012-11-04 01:46:58 PM

AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?


I"m now 27. When I was 22, I allowed my boyfriend at the time access to things that eventually destroyed my credit. If my credit were checked prior to attaining my job, I would be screwed. Of course, the places that I applied before I got an actual career that checked credit before hire had to do with money-money lenders, bank tellers, and payday loan sharks.
 
2012-11-04 01:49:16 PM

Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.


Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.
 
2012-11-04 01:54:20 PM

TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.


One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.
 
2012-11-04 02:00:31 PM

Selena Luna: One written rule is not equal to another.


Both rules are equally stupid.
 
2012-11-04 02:06:58 PM

Selena Luna: TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.

One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.


What one does in their non-job life, if it's not illegal, should have no affect on their job.

Teachers smoke, drink, have sex, and do other normal human things. We should not punish them for being human, nor should we hold them to the level of saints.
 
2012-11-04 02:07:38 PM

drewogatory: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.


They want people who are not failures at life and owe 5 or even 6 figures. Those people are often involved with inside fraud / theft. According to forensic investigators of fraud.

I don't have hard figures one way or the other, but that is the purpose of a credit check. So a company can say it did diligence and legally cover itself in case one of its employees starts siphoning money out the back door -- the company is less liable if it did a background check first.

So, like with everything else that sux today ... lawyers.
 
2012-11-04 02:08:31 PM

Selena Luna: The issue that I'm having is that there exists, a morality clause that says that a person can be fired for doing something perfectly legal, that people may object to. As far as I'm concerned, this is more like someone failing to note on their application that they were a member of a legal college political group.


THIS

Here's a question: do people get fired for not declaring they're a former catholic priest? Because I'd be far more worried about letting one of them near one of my kids than a former pornstar. And statistics on child abuse convictions probably agree with me.
 
2012-11-04 02:09:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Selena Luna: TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.

One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.

What one does in their non-job life, if it's not illegal, should have no affect on their job.

Teachers smoke, drink, have sex, and do other normal human things. We should not punish them for being human, nor should we hold them to the level of saints.


That's exactly what I was saying, yes.
 
2012-11-04 02:10:12 PM

ShannonKW: ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.

I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.


The antics of semen are not really engrossing, unless you meant bukkake
 
2012-11-04 02:14:52 PM

drewogatory: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.


A few late payments probably won't keep you from a job you're qualified to do. But if you have an extensive history of bad credit or a bankruptcy, unless you have a reasonable explanation for the late payments, it is a strong indicator that you're not a very responsible person. Also, credit reports often show judgements, which may reveal a lot about a person's history that may be relevant to their job. I wouldn't hold it against an applicant if he had limited or no credit history.

When I used to assist in my company's hiring decisions, I didn't care much if the credit report showed non-habitual, infrequent late payments. One woman had a pretty bad history of late payments, but she explained that her husband had a serious illness that required her to take off work to care for him and it also drained her savings. We hired her despite her bad credit. Her husband had passed away before she applied for the job. If he were still alive, we would have probably had an employee who was habitually absent. It may sound cold, but small businesses often can't afford to employ someone in that kind of predicament.

One applicant had a judgement on his report, and when I asked him what happened, he admitted that he seriously injured a woman when he hit her with his car while driving drunk. We didn't hire him.

Employers have a right to know these things before they hire someone. As a prospective employee, you have the right to refuse to give that information, but it will probably eliminate you from being considered.
 
Skr
2012-11-04 02:17:05 PM
Well she is moderately attractive with a decent body, her movies on cursory inspection seem rather vanilla. That whole morality stuff sucks, as sex is something that most everyone does.

On the other hand, I stumbled on one picture of her that her make up reminds me of Adam Sandler in drag. God Damn.

www.nationalconfidential.com 

Adam Sandler in drag = instant eunich
 
2012-11-04 02:19:04 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


The very existence of such a thing demonstrates how anachronistic and stunted our civilization's development is.

One would have to question how consistent such establishments are with equal opportunity laws. After all, how does one fairly determine if someone is sufficiently moral for a job, and furthermore, how does one distinguish if a candidate is more or less moral than another? Also, if one does so, is one not discriminating, and by a subjective measure no less, written down or not (the mere writing of a thing does not render it objective)?

Wouldn't it be wiser to recognize that moral standards are subjective and that such measurements can not actually be used to judge worthiness on an equal playing field?

But I know, all too often these moral turpitude standards are based on someone's interpretation of the following:

tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com

And those same people will swear that such a standard is based on objective morality, despite the fact that no such thing exists.
 
2012-11-04 02:19:35 PM
Looking back, it is hard to say where the tipping point was crossed.
But, today we live in a totalitarian warmongering state without any societal respect or adherance to "The Law".
There is no longer any trust in the legal system or the "government" and the "guilty until proven innocent" lie is all broke.
Somewhere/when the money took over and we have arrived at the burn it down so something new can grow stage.

I lay the problem on management. They have systematically destroyed all trust and respect for authority and ushered in an inevitable breakdown in their mindless quest for "Wealth".
Wanna get "wealthy" do it the honorable, time tested way, smuggling.
This steal from the next guy is not evar gonna succeed long term.
 
2012-11-04 02:19:47 PM
One more thing...if I were still in the position to hire people, starring in a porn probably wouldn't affect my decision one way or the other. Even if I confronted the person and they lied, I would understand. When confronted about that type of thing, people tend to panic.
 
2012-11-04 02:20:32 PM

Skr: Adam Sandler in drag = instant eunich


tvmedia.ign.com

"Put a bag over her head and do your business."
 
2012-11-04 02:21:47 PM

Lsherm: fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg

Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surely you're not too stupid to recognize the truth of that statement.

To some eyes she is beautiful, to others, not.
 
2012-11-04 02:23:50 PM
If she was a male pedophile football coach, it would be cool.
 
2012-11-04 02:38:34 PM
I would have fired her too, and the petty morality of puritan pukes has nothing to do with it.

Like others here have already pointed out, the internet is forever. Did your embarrassing documents, video, audio or photos get uploaded to cyber space? Well, you are SOL. You've just lost control over that part of your life. I'm sure there are women who did photo-shoots for various T&A magazines back in the 60s and 70s who are now horrified that those photos can be downloaded by anyone, anywhere in the world,

Fact is that Halas teaches per-pubescent kids, including boys........almost all those boys have seen teacher sucking and farking on the net. A large number of those boys are not going to be concentrating on their lessons, or worse, more than a few wiseguys are going to harass her mercilessly. I know, a lot of you will say, "That's their problem." No, it's the school administration's problem because the school can't pay to have a disciplinarian sit in Halas' class all day long to keep the little shiats under control. Is it fair? No it isn't, but life never has been fair.

Halas' presence is a disruption to the entire school, and unlike those women who appeared in suck 'n fark loops pre-net, I have very little sympathy for Halas. By 2005 everyone in the US who was not brain dead KNEW that the net was the greatest boon for porno since the invention of the movie camera. She appeared in porn and then become a teacher honestly believing no one would ever find this stuff on the net? She is either a liar, or not as smart as she claims to be, or both.
 
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