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2012-11-04 07:36:10 AM  
I suspect that she will end up winning, and getting a settlement. "Porn is icky and the kids may find photos and videos of you" is not a reason to fire someone. If she had filmed on school property, or actively promoted her work to the kids, that would be one thing...but she didn't.

Does anyone know if the school district, or union agreements have any morality clauses that she violated?

Also, she filmed this stuff before she became a teacher. I think that this will set an interesting legal precedent as time goes on because of the prevalence of smart phones, web cams, stupid girls, and self shot nude photos ending up online, something is going to give. If legal protections or legal precedents are not set, it would not surprise me if a single nude image shot when you were a dumb teen that ended up on the internet somehow prevented you from getting a job as a teacher as time goes on.

For some reason, in this country we hold teachers to crazy moral standards. Strange times we live in...strange times...
 
2012-11-04 08:26:10 AM  
Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.
 
2012-11-04 08:29:05 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.
 
2012-11-04 08:49:26 AM  
Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg
 
2012-11-04 08:57:03 AM  

Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.
 
2012-11-04 08:58:01 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


I wasn't debating a bad choice, the law probably isn't in her favor.  I was speaking as someone that worked under those rules.  Yes, one mistake can ruin your career.  Or in her case several according to the article.  
 
BTW my science teacher didn't look like that.
 
2012-11-04 09:01:05 AM  

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.
 
2012-11-04 09:21:50 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.

It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.


Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

slapping a band aide on it and saying 'oh hey well it's all proper and legal' ignores the fact that this woman is being punished for what she did in her past. I don't care if you have a process and follow your checklist...its a rigged game set up to punish people over actions. if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.
 
2012-11-04 09:33:09 AM  
i.imgur.com

What a 'teachable moment' might look like.
 
2012-11-04 09:33:45 AM  

Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.


I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.
 
2012-11-04 09:35:06 AM  

Weaver95: if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.


Here is their mentality - "It is Jesus' job to forgive, not mine/society's! You had sex with multiple partners, you were unwed at the time, you had sex in positions other than the missionary position in the dark, the idea of multiple partners is icky to me, ergo you cannot teach my children. Especially my pubescent boys."
 
2012-11-04 09:35:27 AM  

OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg


She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.
 
2012-11-04 09:39:45 AM  

Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg

She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.


Neither was my science teacher.
 
2012-11-04 09:45:26 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.


so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?
 
2012-11-04 09:48:41 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
/mehsortofwant.jpg

She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.

Neither was my science teacher.


I was replying to his "mehsortofwant." Was your science teacher in porn, too?
 
2012-11-04 09:49:37 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...
 
2012-11-04 09:53:43 AM  

Weaver95: you are saying that you have to follow the standards

 
Yes.  Pure and simple.  I don't agree with the rules, but she lied.  I don't condone what has happened, but she broke the rules and lied. Lying on a application is fireable. She gets her day.  I think if she is good, she should get her job, while all the male students watch her film career. And giggle.
 
BTW she then accepted a job and lied. So accepted the terms.
 
2012-11-04 09:53:59 AM  
She seems to have had quite a prolific porn career-more than a singe lapse of judgment. Hey, at least she can get a job doing porn.
 
2012-11-04 10:38:05 AM  
I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.
 
2012-11-04 10:50:09 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Lying on a application is fireable.


I leave McDonald's off my job applications. It was a job too, no more and no less. I don't think its anyone's business if I choose not to tell them. I did nothing illegal, and I can't find anywhere in this story or related stores that Ms. Halas did either. Its none of the Superintendent's business and none of yours, either. Porn stars, current and former are taxpayers too and there is no legal reason to discriminate against her. Its not like she sold weapons to Iran's theocratic regime like President Reagan did.
 
2012-11-04 10:52:39 AM  

Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...


Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.
 
2012-11-04 11:09:46 AM  

Somacandra: Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.


You know, all the Fark headlines eventually just become word soup in my head. I'm sure I went with goat for that very reason.
 
2012-11-04 11:15:45 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.
 
2012-11-04 11:17:13 AM  
Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?
 
2012-11-04 11:18:54 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


no idea. not my problem you dumb punks can't screw without your phones out and recording.
 
2012-11-04 11:19:11 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


This is like the idiots not realizing posting their drunken ramblings in Facebook could have repercussions later.

I saw one person lose a job he was supposed to start and another be denied a promotion for his stupidity.
 
2012-11-04 11:21:23 AM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 630x475]

What a 'teachable moment' might look like.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-04 11:23:23 AM  
Disgraceful. She shouldn't have to apologize for her legal activities previous to her current job. Why this is even an issue in 2012 is completely beyond me. Same thing goes for Harmony Rose, who got fired from her post-porn paramedic job because of her past.

This is supposed to be America, we don't have scarlet letters. At least, we shouldn't.
 
2012-11-04 11:23:32 AM  

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


good point and a sad truth. the all or nothing mindset is very dangerous broken brain school of thought. right from the get go: no child left behind, zero tolerance, blah blah blah. as long as the parents of school children allow the schools to be operated in this fashion, so it will be. the reds in russia are laughing at us and Hitler in his grave is muttering "job well done!".

the USA is become a damn scary place and the citizens are allowing it to take place. i don't want to imagine what this country will be like in 20 or 50 years. kill me now.
 
2012-11-04 11:25:30 AM  
I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.
 
2012-11-04 11:25:44 AM  
At least she has a career to fall back on.
 
2012-11-04 11:27:01 AM  
I'm gonna have to see this alleged porn to gauge how much outrage is appropriate.
 
2012-11-04 11:27:33 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-04 11:30:18 AM  

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


Long as he wasn't showing it to the students, or it was interfering with his teaching somehow, I don't see why it would.
 
2012-11-04 11:30:30 AM  

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


Yeah, like, "what kind of a porn name for a guy is 'Tiffany Six?'"
 
2012-11-04 11:30:37 AM  

doglover: I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.


I think you mean "Actors" and "Actress"

/your handle makes me apprehensive yet curious about what kind of porn these people made
 
2012-11-04 11:32:57 AM  

steamingpile: Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.


This is the same reason that Clinton was impeached. There wasn't a partisan agenda or anything, it's just that the law is the law and if you lie then we will destroy you and make sure that you never work a day in this office again.
 
2012-11-04 11:33:09 AM  

Ouze: Disgraceful. She shouldn't have to apologize for her legal activities previous to her current job. Why this is even an issue in 2012 is completely beyond me. Same thing goes for Harmony Rose, who got fired from her post-porn paramedic job because of her past.

This is supposed to be America, we don't have scarlet letters. At least, we shouldn't.


The complication is that taught 7th/8th grade, basically junior high. It was her students that discovered her videos, naturally. Ironically had she been teaching pre-pubescent students this probably would never had turned into an issue. But now I don't see how she can still be a junior high school teacher and not have half of her class paying absolutely no mind to what she's saying.
 
2012-11-04 11:33:18 AM  

solokumba: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x222]


We're done here!
 
2012-11-04 11:34:29 AM  
Things sure have changed since I was in school. I really can't imagine my 60+ year old science teacher getting DP'd and swallowing like a champ.

/ Uh ... had to google. For research purposes.
 
2012-11-04 11:36:03 AM  
fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.

Nope, same standard should apply in both cases. I just would've spent less time GIS-ing in your hypothetical scenario.
 
2012-11-04 11:37:44 AM  
I was all ready to be outraged until I read both the article and the original it linked to.

She's being fired for lying. BFD.
 
2012-11-04 11:38:27 AM  

Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...


You don't wanna see it. The lighting is terrible and the goat was not that hot.
 
2012-11-04 11:38:57 AM  
Still wondering which will occur first:

1) Society learns to keep their cameras/cell phones off when nekkid/having sex/drunk/etc after seeing the one billionth example of this story

2) Idiocracy attains 100% documentary status
 
2012-11-04 11:39:47 AM  
Anyone looking for  more information on this wonderful lady?
 
2012-11-04 11:40:18 AM  

"She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards."


I'm just curious what is your definition of 'attractive'? She's not Victoria's Secret level beauty but neither is she Hunchback of Notre Dame ugly either. Sometimes from the way Farkers judge beauty I think they would settle for any woman who doesn't step right off som fashion show catwalk.


She has an average face, and by the looks of the videos she's in shape. I must be missing some flaw.

 
2012-11-04 11:40:35 AM  
i48.tinypic.com

Apparently she really likes bananas.
 
2012-11-04 11:41:59 AM  
update. Just fapped to it on xvideos. Quite nice. I say we let her teach.
 
2012-11-04 11:43:43 AM  
Porn stars are mentally unstable. We don't need them teaching kids anything.
 
2012-11-04 11:44:35 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Yes. An MIP is all it takes. Throw in anything ethical or morally "wrong," and say bye to your teaching career.
 
2012-11-04 11:46:16 AM  
When I was in high school I had an English teacher who, rumor has it, appeared in Juggs or Swank or some such porno mag years previous. Back then it never got outside the realm of rumor, because unless you had a voluminous collection of spank rag back issues, how could you prove it?
These days, the damn internet is f*cking with a person's ability to have done one stupid thing in their 20s and it's sad.
 
2012-11-04 11:46:35 AM  
She's also got a couple of videos on xhamster.com

Just put Tiffany Six in the search.
 
2012-11-04 11:48:15 AM  
For fark's sake, they should give this lady a break. It was years ago, she did what she had to do to pay bills. If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important. This kind of Scarlet Letter crap is starting to piss me off.
 
2012-11-04 11:49:54 AM  

poe_zlaw: Anyone looking for  more information on this wonderful lady?


I'll be darned. There is something out there for people interested in seeing "getting boned by a red rectangle" pron.
 
2012-11-04 11:50:33 AM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


Weaver is actuality right on this one. Personally I think moral turpitude needs to be struck out of contract language. Community standards ate increasingly hard to define. Especially when people equate them with 1950s sit com community standards that never existed in real life.

You pay me money to do a job. What I do with that money outside of the job is my business. Judge me on my actions while I am at work and let me do as I please elsewhere.
 
2012-11-04 11:50:44 AM  
FWIW, this isn't the first thread we've had about Ms. Halas. This story's been going on for a while it seems. Unless there's another Stacie Halas working as a teacher in Oxnard who previously did porn under the name "Tiffany Six."
 
2012-11-04 11:51:13 AM  
School Board jealous cause they can't be in porn too.
 
2012-11-04 11:52:14 AM  
In the field of repressed sexuality the US could give the Vatican a run for its money.
 
2012-11-04 11:53:24 AM  
Know thyself. Thales

Then act accordingly.
 
2012-11-04 11:53:30 AM  
Meh. the future Mrs. titwrench did all that stuff this morning and she is still an upstanding member of society.
 
2012-11-04 11:54:05 AM  
I'm not sure why so many people here are assuming her porn career was a mistake or that she forced into it to pay her bills. I don't see anything in the article that suggests any of that.
 
2012-11-04 11:54:40 AM  
This is so comedic.

Gal lies about her prior life in porn, takes a job with a morality clause, then gets outed and fired.

Just don't lie in the first place.

Or, take a job that doesn't have a morality clause that includes your past prior to the job.
 
2012-11-04 11:54:48 AM  

Nick Nostril: Still wondering which will occur first:

1) Society learns to keep their cameras/cell phones off when nekkid/having sex/drunk/etc after seeing the one billionth example of this story

2) Idiocracy attains 100% documentary status


2, most definitely 2.
 
2012-11-04 11:56:28 AM  
OK, I get the Nanny logic of if she engages in activity that is frowned upon IRL, away from work, it could reflect on her integrity and make her unsuitable for the job.

Now, just apply the same logic to your HYPOCRITICAL, CRIMINAL, SOCIOPATHIC, PARTISAN POLITICIANS.
We should be hanging them.

/Thank you for your kind attention
 
2012-11-04 11:57:11 AM  
Wow how fast we forget Ms.Tiffany Old News is Old.
 
2012-11-04 11:59:59 AM  
cdn.newsoxy.com

Somebody brought more than just an apple for the teacher?
 
2012-11-04 12:01:17 PM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


On one hand, who cares, porn is everywhere anyhow, etc.

On the other hand, could potentially fall under submitting a falsified CV to leave it off when applying to a job where it could potentially become relevant (because parents will try to fark over a school if they find out about it, parents being farking retards at the best of times).

Basically, if it was listed with her previous employment when she applied for the job there's no problem. If it wasn't, there are potentially valid grounds to terminate her employment. Albeit not sensible grounds, but valid ones.

//Whether "maintaining morality" clauses in an employment contract are valid is a matter of some debate in the first place, and they certainly could not legally apply to something outside the time frame of the contract unless my knowledge of contract law is way off base. Maybe it's more of a "I agree by signing that I don't violate any of the job qualifications" bit and one of them explicitly names porn?
 
2012-11-04 12:01:34 PM  
I guarantee she'll never have trouble getting both parents to parent-teacher meetings.
 
2012-11-04 12:02:26 PM  

eas81: Wow how fast we forget Ms.Tiffany Old News is Old.


This subject covers two things we really like here on Fark:

Female teacher having sex
Female teacher having sex on film that we can watch.

Repeats are always welcome.
 
2012-11-04 12:03:09 PM  
I think there needs to be some slack cut in this case. The morally perfect, bland innoffensive standard we hold teachers too is far more than we hold our politicians to, or many cases clergy.

Another thing, with this being California, it's a sad case when the teacher that did porn for a few months is readily fired, while the pedophile teacher that allegedly fed elementary students his semen on a cookie got a $40,000 pay off to leave because union rules made him so damn hard to fire
 
2012-11-04 12:05:48 PM  

Toy_Cop: Porn stars are mentally unstable. We don't need them teaching kids anything.


I bet you can teach kids about making blanket statements that stereotype a group of people with no evidence to back it up.

I'll be a little gastapo for the purposes of showing how silly this can get.
This calls for a full investigation. First I need the name of the individual(s) who found out about this porn and identified it as her to me made public, Are they part of the schools administration and if so why were they watching porn? I demand their removal.. and also the removal of any children from the homes of any adults that have viewed porn while they had children..
Lets see how far the witch hunt can go!

This is like the crack addict complaining about the drug house being next door.
 
2012-11-04 12:06:22 PM  
The funny thing is, this is not the first former porn star to be a teacher(and get busted for it).
Uh, if you've done porn and want to switch careers, perhaps you might want to avoid teaching children. There's so many other careers out there that doesn't involve farking.
 
2012-11-04 12:06:34 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.

It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.


No it doesn't. Thanks to the teachers union, she can be fired for this but not for failing to educate the children. The truly bad teachers are safe.
 
2012-11-04 12:08:51 PM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


Don't be drunk/horny and 23.

Simple enough.
 
2012-11-04 12:09:36 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: you are saying that you have to follow the standards
 
Yes.  Pure and simple.  I don't agree with the rules, but she lied.  I don't condone what has happened, but she broke the rules and lied. Lying on a application is fireable. She gets her day.  I think if she is good, she should get her job, while all the male students watch her film career. And giggle.
 
BTW she then accepted a job and lied. So accepted the terms.



I don't list jobs on my resume which are not relevant to the position for which I am applying.

(Former cemetery caretaker. Great for breaking the ice, distracting on an engineer's resume.)
 
2012-11-04 12:11:25 PM  
Honestly the article is so short as to be impossible to make judgement upon. my personal feeling is so long as she ceased the activity prior to becoming a teacher and has not resumed it should not be held against her.
 
2012-11-04 12:12:51 PM  
Just farking perfect!
This gal is supposed to live up to some Christian Taliban standards while there are no, none, not any, absolutely zero prosecutions on Wall Street.

/this is why we cannot have nice things
 
2012-11-04 12:15:56 PM  
What really offends me is the hypocrisy. The very people shunning her are probably some of the same people consuming this kind of material (or their husbands are). They want to enjoy this kind of entertainment in their home, then they will come out and villify the people producing it. At some level I believe it's their own feelings of shame and guilt over their activities that drive them to attack those making it. They don't want to take responsibilities for their actions and are looking for a way to shift blame to others while still portraying themselves as pure and good people who were "ensnared" by these sinners.

Get over it! People have sex, it's perfectly healthy and normal, no reason to feel shame and no reason to fire anyone.
 
2012-11-04 12:19:48 PM  
Science!
 
2012-11-04 12:20:43 PM  

Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.


studman69.jpg
 
2012-11-04 12:21:13 PM  

Endive Wombat: I suspect that she will end up winning, and getting a settlement. "Porn is icky and the kids may find photos and videos of you" is not a reason to fire someone. If she had filmed on school property, or actively promoted her work to the kids, that would be one thing...but she didn't.

Does anyone know if the school district, or union agreements have any morality clauses that she violated?

Also, she filmed this stuff before she became a teacher. I think that this will set an interesting legal precedent as time goes on because of the prevalence of smart phones, web cams, stupid girls, and self shot nude photos ending up online, something is going to give. If legal protections or legal precedents are not set, it would not surprise me if a single nude image shot when you were a dumb teen that ended up on the internet somehow prevented you from getting a job as a teacher as time goes on.

For some reason, in this country we hold teachers to crazy moral standards. Strange times we live in...strange times...


Yes. She signed a contract with a morals clause.
 
2012-11-04 12:21:47 PM  

ElBarto79: What really offends me is the hypocrisy. The very people shunning her are probably some of the same people consuming this kind of material (or their husbands are). They want to enjoy this kind of entertainment in their home, then they will come out and villify the people producing it. At some level I believe it's their own feelings of shame and guilt over their activities that drive them to attack those making it. They don't want to take responsibilities for their actions and are looking for a way to shift blame to others while still portraying themselves as pure and good people who were "ensnared" by these sinners.

Get over it! People have sex, it's perfectly healthy and normal, no reason to feel shame and no reason to fire anyone.


That would be one of yer central pillars of reliousosity.
Give all your responsibility to the majik sky fairy.
Just believe and be forgiven.
 
2012-11-04 12:22:00 PM  

Paris1127: FWIW, this isn't the first thread we've had about Ms. Halas. This story's been going on for a while it seems. Unless there's another Stacie Halas working as a teacher in Oxnard who previously did porn under the name "Tiffany Six."


I don't think there's ANYONE named Stacie Halas who is working as a teacher in Oxnard who previously did porn under the name "Tiffany Six."
 
2012-11-04 12:22:45 PM  
Oh, yea, and exorcise and kill on command.
 
2012-11-04 12:24:38 PM  
We're not gonna evolve too quickly as a species if we don't allow people a chance to make a better life for themselves. Part of being human is making mistakes or doing things that others might not approve of doing. Doesn't make us bad people. Doesn't make us incapable of being good people. It also doesn't prevent us from doing what we gotta do to survive. The sooner we can get over petty shiat like this, the better off we'll all be.
 
2012-11-04 12:26:18 PM  
For all of you claiming "Do not want," here's the deal: her tits are as near to a 10 as you can get, and she takes it in the pooper.

/be srs
 
2012-11-04 12:28:53 PM  

Krieghund: Paris1127: FWIW, this isn't the first thread we've had about Ms. Halas. This story's been going on for a while it seems. Unless there's another Stacie Halas working as a teacher in Oxnard who previously did porn under the name "Tiffany Six."

I don't think there's ANYONE named Stacie Halas who is working as a teacher in Oxnard who previously did porn under the name "Tiffany Six."


Oh, yes there is. This story is about 3 years old, going back to when the porn first surfaced. You can find the porn and you can find local interviews with Stacie - same girl.

Oxnard is an exceptionally conservative community (except for being the hub of male transvestite prostitution on Saturday nights, which is tabu to talk about). At least outwardly, it is.
 
2012-11-04 12:30:33 PM  
Kids today eat way to much junk food. But when a teacher comes along with a banana-advocacy agenda, this is the thanks she gets.
 
2012-11-04 12:31:33 PM  

Weaver95: so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


Columbine?
 
2012-11-04 12:31:59 PM  
Thanks again religion, for convincing almost everyone on the planet that they have any reason to be ashamed of the very same act that perpetuates our race. For some unfathomable reason.

Do you think maybe the first people who started inserting those clauses into ancient religions when they were inventing them just had tiny dicks or something? Maybe they figured they'd even the playing field for themselves a bit if they made it harder for everyone to enjoy their genitals.
 
2012-11-04 12:32:41 PM  

doglover: I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.


I object to the use of the terms, "actor" and "actress" when referring to porn. An actor is someone who portrays some other personage in a fictional film. It may rarely happen that an actor portray himself in fictional circumstances, as sometimes happens in cameo appearances. The essence of "acting", though, is pretending to be someone or in some situation that you are not. Eddie Murphy was acting in "48 Hours" but not in "Raw".

When Tiffany Six is filmed sucking wang and taking it up the arse in a hotel room she is not attempting to portray anything other than Tiffany Six sucking wang and taking it up the arse in a hotel room. She has adopted a stage name, but she is not portraying some fictional personage named "Tiffany Six" any more than a masked bank robber is pretending to be a skier or Max Hardcore is pretending to be a sadistic pervert in a cowboy hat. She falls into the same ill-defined class as the cast of the Jackass videos. They are not actors portraying a crowd of idiots pretending to hurt themselves in fictional scenarios; they are real idiots really hurting themselves in real life.

Now, back in the Behind the Green Door days there tended to be a story to porn and characters to portray and a list of credits, e.g. "John Holmes as Plumber" and "Linda Lovelace as Horny Housewife", but you don't see that any more, or it would be a silly list of items like, "Pete North as Guy with Huge Dong" and "Tiffany Six as Chick Who Gets Porked by Pete". It's true that porn footage is heavily edited to present impossible sex sessions but that has nothing to do with acting. If I filmed you barfing over the balustrade and looped the footage to make it you look like a 1/2 hour puke fountain, it wouldn't make you an actor. You're actually puking. It's also true that the "actresses" are pretending to enjoy the sex and the "actors" may be pretending to enjoy it more than they do, but that scarcely amounts to "acting". If you give a thumbs-up while barfing even though you're hurting inside, no one would say it's enough to call you an "actor" in my Doglover the Vomit Hydrant video.
 
2012-11-04 12:35:57 PM  

Amusement: School Board jealous cause they can't be in porn too.


Have you seen the Hippos and Walrus' on the school board?
 
2012-11-04 12:38:48 PM  
Fear_and_Loathing
Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job. He is well liked and a great teacher.

Probably not a problem because he isn't regarded as competition or with jealousy by the catty, judgmental bit.. moms.

With a male stripper, the Twilight moms can have little nice and naughty fantasies about him while schlicking it to 50 Shades of Gray.
A female pornstar will more likely lead to insecurities and comparisons or thoughts about hubby looking up the teacher's old clips and hubby having the naughty thoughts.
 
2012-11-04 12:40:42 PM  

wrenchboy: Amusement: School Board jealous cause they can't be in porn too.

Have you seen the Hippos and Walrus' on the school board?


As a mustachioed walrus who's into porn, I trajectory exception to your comment, sir.

/now bring mah bukket of anal teen nymphos!
 
2012-11-04 12:42:03 PM  
Trajectory exception?

I meant take exception.

Damn these flippers and tiny phone keyboards!
 
2012-11-04 12:43:30 PM  

ShannonKW: doglover: I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

I object to the use of the terms, "actor" and "actress" when referring to porn. An actor is someone who portrays some other personage in a fictional film. It may rarely happen that an actor portray himself in fictional circumstances, as sometimes happens in cameo appearances. The essence of "acting", though, is pretending to be someone or in some situation that you are not. Eddie Murphy was acting in "48 Hours" but not in "Raw".


I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.
 
2012-11-04 12:43:36 PM  
A lot of studman69s on this thread.

Unless she was actively asked if she had ever done porn, then she didn't lie. Current advice on resumes is to not list things irrelevant to the employment you are seeking.

If they specifically asked her about it or related topics, then she didn't lie.
 
2012-11-04 12:43:44 PM  
A one on one teachers / parents conference could be a little awkward.
Dad sitting there with a boner, and mom having thoughts of............
I'll say a threesome.
 
2012-11-04 12:43:58 PM  

titwrench: Meh. the future Mrs. titwrench did all that stuff this morning and she is still an upstanding member of society.


Pics or it didn't happen. Or better video. HD pls.

j/k

I say good for you,we don't care if you teaching science or math.
 
2012-11-04 12:46:43 PM  

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


Well that would be digusting !
 
2012-11-04 12:48:09 PM  

fozziewazzi: I'm thinking if this was a guy that did gay porn some of the responses in this thread would be different.


How so? Doing gay porn isn't any more illegal than straight porn.
 
2012-11-04 12:49:59 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: She's also got a couple of videos on xhamster.com

Just put Tiffany Six in the search.


And one is 26 minutes long, for those of you who have to be at the gym.
 
2012-11-04 12:51:14 PM  
By this reasoning, since every teacher has sex, drinks, smokes, or does something "bad" at some point in their lives, we should fire all of them to protect the precious children and punish them for their horrible evil actions.
 
2012-11-04 12:51:24 PM  
I am hot for teacher,
 
2012-11-04 12:53:00 PM  

snocone: Just farking perfect!
This gal is supposed to live up to some Christian Taliban standards while there are no, none, not any, absolutely zero prosecutions on Wall Street.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


Wall St. has all our nice things.
 
2012-11-04 12:53:49 PM  

titwrench: Meh. the future Mrs. titwrench did all that stuff this morning and she is still an upstanding member of society.


Yeah, she sure got some "stuff" done alright. Next time you can participate too, if you manage to maintain an, uh, upstanding member.
 
2012-11-04 12:55:53 PM  
She lied and got caught.  Not an issue.  She agreed to a job with draconian rules and she lied.  I don't have to agree with the law, but it is there.  Change it if you will, I'm not that concerned.  All I said was she was wrong and now it is a cool story, well not so much.
 
2012-11-04 12:56:07 PM  
If you need money and your first thought is "I should take it in the pooper on camera to earn money" then I'm ok with you not teaching kids.

I completely support your decision to continue doing porn though. That's where her first love lay...
 
2012-11-04 12:57:33 PM  
And if she had lied about having obtained her degree?

Would it have been an outrage to fire her for that as well?
 
2012-11-04 12:59:18 PM  

ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.


I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.
 
2012-11-04 01:00:17 PM  
The basis of all slut shaming is jealousy. Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.

And that's where this comes from. Don't hand me that shiat about 'she lied on her contract.' The base for all of these spurious excuses is that parents and other old types are afraid of sex because it means they're either getting older, that they didn't invent the concept of sex (which all young people really believe, on some level), or that they haven't gotten any and feel ugly and want it to go away.
 
2012-11-04 01:00:53 PM  

ShannonKW: ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.

I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.


Lol
 
2012-11-04 01:01:36 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The basis of all slut shaming is jealousy. Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.

And that's where this comes from. Don't hand me that shiat about 'she lied on her contract.' The base for all of these spurious excuses is that parents and other old types are afraid of sex because it means they're either getting older, that they didn't invent the concept of sex (which all young people really believe, on some level), or that they haven't gotten any and feel ugly and want it to go away.


I think we found who else has some videos uploaded. Or wishes they did.
 
2012-11-04 01:01:44 PM  

Prey4reign: Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?


Pretty sure the first teacher I fapped to was 5th grade, then middle school was kind of a hot teacher desert, then high school miss othmayer was the reason my mom started buying the bulk pack tissues at price club.
 
2012-11-04 01:04:34 PM  

snocone: Just farking perfect!
This gal is supposed to live up to some Christian Taliban standards while there are no, none, not any, absolutely zero prosecutions on Wall Street.

/this is why we cannot have nice things


B..b...but boobs........ an...an...and blowjobs fer chrissakes!

/ agree 100%
 
2012-11-04 01:05:14 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Americans have a few stages of sexual development:

1) Learning about it
2) Doing it
3) Having kids and suddenly regretting it.


I chortled.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:30 PM  
Old news is old.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:42 PM  

FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


How anyone can call Mitt Romney or Barack Obama extreme when France just had an election featuring Le Penn and Hollande is beyond me.
 
2012-11-04 01:13:50 PM  
How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?
 
2012-11-04 01:13:50 PM  

cabbyman: If you need money and your first thought is "I should take it in the pooper on camera to earn money" then I'm ok with you not teaching kids.

I completely support your decision to continue doing porn though. That's where her first love lay...


According to her she was propositioned a few times before she decided to do it. For some people who are unemployed, crushed by debt and need money, it's not a stretch to see how they would give in when offered $1,500 per 'scene', which is what, half a day of work?

But this isn't about ethics, it's about her ability to be an effective teacher at this point. She can't possibly resume her work as a junior high school teacher after this. Maybe early grade school but no way can she expect the raging hormones sitting in her classroom to pay attention to anything she says in class.
 
2012-11-04 01:21:09 PM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


Yeah. It sucks that there's consequences to the decisions we make...
 
2012-11-04 01:22:30 PM  

AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?


The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.
 
2012-11-04 01:25:10 PM  
How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.
 
2012-11-04 01:30:18 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I was all ready to be outraged until I read both the article and the original it linked to.

She's being fired for lying. BFD.


If I were her, I'd sue him for sexual harassment. You can't just randomly start talking to someone about their sex life, especially when you're their boss. And if they ask you to drop it, and you keep bringing up their sex life, well then you probably deserve to be prosecuted and fired as well.

She's being fired because she didn't want to talk about her sex life with her boss, you goddamn moron.
 
2012-11-04 01:31:14 PM  
She was teaching eighth graders, so that would be 13-year old boys and girls? That's fine, it's not like 13-year olds are going through puberty and have mad internet skills or anything.

"That part of my life was a long time ago," said Halas, who said she left the porn-film industry in August 2006. "I did not think there was anything on the Internet."
 
2012-11-04 01:31:47 PM  

rushthatspeaks: How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.


I don't see how one affects the other. Apparently she was doing a perfectly fine job as a teacher. No one has disputed that. This idea that you have to be sexually moral to be good at something totally unrelated is very puritan. You can, for example, still be a fine President while having 'sexual relations' with young hotties. And you can still be a good teacher after having been paid for raunchy sex on film, apparently. The problem is that she can't now effectively teach because her students now know what she did.
 
2012-11-04 01:34:45 PM  
You guys are crazy. She's a solid 7 conservatively. I would totally hit that.
 
2012-11-04 01:35:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: It sucks that there's consequences to the decisions we make...


So something that has nothing to do with anything should be held against someone?
 
2012-11-04 01:35:45 PM  

fozziewazzi: rushthatspeaks: How do you go from doing nasty porn to nonchalantly going into teaching? I mean what she did porn to get herself through college? That's kind of farked up. You don't do porn that nasty just to get cash. I have nothing against pornstars or porn, but once you do that, you don't deserve a teaching job.

I think she should go back to doing porn. Especially now that all her students know what farking nasty shiat she did.

I don't see how one affects the other. Apparently she was doing a perfectly fine job as a teacher. No one has disputed that. This idea that you have to be sexually moral to be good at something totally unrelated is very puritan. You can, for example, still be a fine President while having 'sexual relations' with young hotties. And you can still be a good teacher after having been paid for raunchy sex on film, apparently. The problem is that she can't now effectively teach because her students now know what she did.


Clinton didn't get disbarred for the act. He got disbarred for lying under oath.

She's getting fired for lying as well. She should just go back to porn. It sounds like she was good at that as well.
 
2012-11-04 01:37:45 PM  
I need to remind myself of something...maybe later...stuck at work...but i need to remind myself of something...maybe i will remember it...
 
2012-11-04 01:41:44 PM  

TomD9938: And if she had lied about having obtained her degree?

Would it have been an outrage to fire her for that as well?


Nope. The degree isn't a morality issue. A degree is a qualification to teach. Having video of sexual acts is a morality issue and has nothing to do with her qualifications for teaching.

The issue that I'm having is that there exists, a morality clause that says that a person can be fired for doing something perfectly legal, that people may object to. As far as I'm concerned, this is more like someone failing to note on their application that they were a member of a legal college political group.
 
2012-11-04 01:44:53 PM  

fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg


Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.
 
2012-11-04 01:46:58 PM  

AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?


I"m now 27. When I was 22, I allowed my boyfriend at the time access to things that eventually destroyed my credit. If my credit were checked prior to attaining my job, I would be screwed. Of course, the places that I applied before I got an actual career that checked credit before hire had to do with money-money lenders, bank tellers, and payday loan sharks.
 
2012-11-04 01:49:16 PM  

Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.


Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.
 
2012-11-04 01:54:20 PM  

TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.


One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.
 
2012-11-04 02:00:31 PM  

Selena Luna: One written rule is not equal to another.


Both rules are equally stupid.
 
2012-11-04 02:06:58 PM  

Selena Luna: TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.

One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.


What one does in their non-job life, if it's not illegal, should have no affect on their job.

Teachers smoke, drink, have sex, and do other normal human things. We should not punish them for being human, nor should we hold them to the level of saints.
 
2012-11-04 02:07:38 PM  

drewogatory: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.


They want people who are not failures at life and owe 5 or even 6 figures. Those people are often involved with inside fraud / theft. According to forensic investigators of fraud.

I don't have hard figures one way or the other, but that is the purpose of a credit check. So a company can say it did diligence and legally cover itself in case one of its employees starts siphoning money out the back door -- the company is less liable if it did a background check first.

So, like with everything else that sux today ... lawyers.
 
2012-11-04 02:08:31 PM  

Selena Luna: The issue that I'm having is that there exists, a morality clause that says that a person can be fired for doing something perfectly legal, that people may object to. As far as I'm concerned, this is more like someone failing to note on their application that they were a member of a legal college political group.


THIS

Here's a question: do people get fired for not declaring they're a former catholic priest? Because I'd be far more worried about letting one of them near one of my kids than a former pornstar. And statistics on child abuse convictions probably agree with me.
 
2012-11-04 02:09:59 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Selena Luna: TomD9938: Selena Luna: A degree is a qualification to teach.

Only by a written rule.

She was fired over a written rule.

One does not affect one's qualification to teach. One does. A moral clause is not about one's qualification to teach. It's about how people believe teachers ought to live their lives. One written rule is not equal to another.

What one does in their non-job life, if it's not illegal, should have no affect on their job.

Teachers smoke, drink, have sex, and do other normal human things. We should not punish them for being human, nor should we hold them to the level of saints.


That's exactly what I was saying, yes.
 
2012-11-04 02:10:12 PM  

ShannonKW: ElBarto79: I object to people who have nothing relevant to add to a discussion and instead try and turn it into an argument over symantics.

I judged that there was little danger of the whole thread turning into an argument over semantics, though I admit I would have been tickled if it had.

And some people find semantics worthwhile and engrossing, though sadly not as much as naughty teacher porn.


The antics of semen are not really engrossing, unless you meant bukkake
 
2012-11-04 02:14:52 PM  

drewogatory: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.


A few late payments probably won't keep you from a job you're qualified to do. But if you have an extensive history of bad credit or a bankruptcy, unless you have a reasonable explanation for the late payments, it is a strong indicator that you're not a very responsible person. Also, credit reports often show judgements, which may reveal a lot about a person's history that may be relevant to their job. I wouldn't hold it against an applicant if he had limited or no credit history.

When I used to assist in my company's hiring decisions, I didn't care much if the credit report showed non-habitual, infrequent late payments. One woman had a pretty bad history of late payments, but she explained that her husband had a serious illness that required her to take off work to care for him and it also drained her savings. We hired her despite her bad credit. Her husband had passed away before she applied for the job. If he were still alive, we would have probably had an employee who was habitually absent. It may sound cold, but small businesses often can't afford to employ someone in that kind of predicament.

One applicant had a judgement on his report, and when I asked him what happened, he admitted that he seriously injured a woman when he hit her with his car while driving drunk. We didn't hire him.

Employers have a right to know these things before they hire someone. As a prospective employee, you have the right to refuse to give that information, but it will probably eliminate you from being considered.
 
Skr
2012-11-04 02:17:05 PM  
Well she is moderately attractive with a decent body, her movies on cursory inspection seem rather vanilla. That whole morality stuff sucks, as sex is something that most everyone does.

On the other hand, I stumbled on one picture of her that her make up reminds me of Adam Sandler in drag. God Damn.

www.nationalconfidential.com 

Adam Sandler in drag = instant eunich
 
2012-11-04 02:19:04 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


The very existence of such a thing demonstrates how anachronistic and stunted our civilization's development is.

One would have to question how consistent such establishments are with equal opportunity laws. After all, how does one fairly determine if someone is sufficiently moral for a job, and furthermore, how does one distinguish if a candidate is more or less moral than another? Also, if one does so, is one not discriminating, and by a subjective measure no less, written down or not (the mere writing of a thing does not render it objective)?

Wouldn't it be wiser to recognize that moral standards are subjective and that such measurements can not actually be used to judge worthiness on an equal playing field?

But I know, all too often these moral turpitude standards are based on someone's interpretation of the following:

tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com

And those same people will swear that such a standard is based on objective morality, despite the fact that no such thing exists.
 
2012-11-04 02:19:35 PM  
Looking back, it is hard to say where the tipping point was crossed.
But, today we live in a totalitarian warmongering state without any societal respect or adherance to "The Law".
There is no longer any trust in the legal system or the "government" and the "guilty until proven innocent" lie is all broke.
Somewhere/when the money took over and we have arrived at the burn it down so something new can grow stage.

I lay the problem on management. They have systematically destroyed all trust and respect for authority and ushered in an inevitable breakdown in their mindless quest for "Wealth".
Wanna get "wealthy" do it the honorable, time tested way, smuggling.
This steal from the next guy is not evar gonna succeed long term.
 
2012-11-04 02:19:47 PM  
One more thing...if I were still in the position to hire people, starring in a porn probably wouldn't affect my decision one way or the other. Even if I confronted the person and they lied, I would understand. When confronted about that type of thing, people tend to panic.
 
2012-11-04 02:20:32 PM  

Skr: Adam Sandler in drag = instant eunich


tvmedia.ign.com

"Put a bag over her head and do your business."
 
2012-11-04 02:21:47 PM  

Lsherm: fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg

Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surely you're not too stupid to recognize the truth of that statement.

To some eyes she is beautiful, to others, not.
 
2012-11-04 02:23:50 PM  
If she was a male pedophile football coach, it would be cool.
 
2012-11-04 02:38:34 PM  
I would have fired her too, and the petty morality of puritan pukes has nothing to do with it.

Like others here have already pointed out, the internet is forever. Did your embarrassing documents, video, audio or photos get uploaded to cyber space? Well, you are SOL. You've just lost control over that part of your life. I'm sure there are women who did photo-shoots for various T&A magazines back in the 60s and 70s who are now horrified that those photos can be downloaded by anyone, anywhere in the world,

Fact is that Halas teaches per-pubescent kids, including boys........almost all those boys have seen teacher sucking and farking on the net. A large number of those boys are not going to be concentrating on their lessons, or worse, more than a few wiseguys are going to harass her mercilessly. I know, a lot of you will say, "That's their problem." No, it's the school administration's problem because the school can't pay to have a disciplinarian sit in Halas' class all day long to keep the little shiats under control. Is it fair? No it isn't, but life never has been fair.

Halas' presence is a disruption to the entire school, and unlike those women who appeared in suck 'n fark loops pre-net, I have very little sympathy for Halas. By 2005 everyone in the US who was not brain dead KNEW that the net was the greatest boon for porno since the invention of the movie camera. She appeared in porn and then become a teacher honestly believing no one would ever find this stuff on the net? She is either a liar, or not as smart as she claims to be, or both.
 
2012-11-04 02:38:40 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Lsherm: fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg

Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surely you're not too stupid to recognize the truth of that statement.

To some eyes she is beautiful, to others, not.


I realize that, but he went studman69 on me, and that was unfair. It's not like we're looking at a supermodel and I'm saying she isn't attractive. We're looking at a a middling woman who did porn and I said she wasn't attractive. Sure, she sucked dick on camera, but even given that advantage, she's not very pretty.

If I was railing against someone who is agreed to be conventionally pretty, like Jennifer Connelly, then I would deserve the studman69 reference. As it stands, that woman isn't that attractive. She's not ugly, but she isn't very pretty, either. 

And all of this has dick to do with her teaching abilities (dick - get it?) as long as she can keep her classroom under control.
 
2012-11-04 02:41:08 PM  

Begoggle: If she was a male pedophile football coach, it would be cool.


fromtheleft.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-04 02:44:13 PM  

mongbiohazard: Thanks again religion, for convincing almost everyone on the planet that they have any reason to be ashamed of the very same act that perpetuates our race. For some unfathomable reason.

Do you think maybe the first people who started inserting those clauses into ancient religions when they were inventing them just had tiny dicks or something? Maybe they figured they'd even the playing field for themselves a bit if they made it harder for everyone to enjoy their genitals.


You bring up an excellent talking point.

Let's quote their very own bible:

Genesis 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.

Their very own god, in one of his earliest proclamations said fark...a lot.

And yet somehow sex has become something they try to suppress and hide. A pathetic inconsistency with the clearly stated will of their god. I wonder how they reconcile such blatant disobedience.

But I'll answer the question (and yours) with an obvious conclusion.

Those who established the persecution of sex within religion were acting out of self interest. As Frank Herbert was paraphrased, "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." By destroying sex (or attempting to) outside of very particularly constructed rules, "holy men" sought to control sex. And why does anyone ever seek to control something? Power. Power and self gratification.

If I get to say who you can fark, I get to say who I'm going to fark. And that's whoever I want if I'm the one making up the rules.
 
2012-11-04 02:46:09 PM  

Lsherm: Agent Smiths Laugh: Lsherm: fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg

Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Surely you're not too stupid to recognize the truth of that statement.

To some eyes she is beautiful, to others, not.

I realize that, but he went studman69 on me, and that was unfair. It's not like we're looking at a supermodel and I'm saying she isn't attractive. We're looking at a a middling woman who did porn and I said she wasn't attractive. Sure, she sucked dick on camera, but even given that advantage, she's not very pretty.

If I was railing against someone who is agreed to be conventionally pretty, like Jennifer Connelly, then I would deserve the studman69 reference. As it stands, that woman isn't that attractive. She's not ugly, but she isn't very pretty, either. 

And all of this has dick to do with her teaching abilities (dick - get it?) as long as she can keep her classroom under control.


And so long as she can convey the learning of the subject she teaches, yes.

Well stated, and your position is reasonable.
 
2012-11-04 02:46:26 PM  
I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.
 
2012-11-04 02:50:34 PM  

Aikidogamer: Personally I think moral turpitude needs to be struck out of contract language.


Not necessarily, but I think any sexual activity that involves consenting adults is prima facie not to be considered evidence of moral turpitude.

It used to be that being gay was evidence of moral turpitude and meant you were considered unfit to teach children. Hopefully we're mostly past that now, although there certainly seem to be more than a few atavistic morons who want to drag us back there.

The way we're going, pretty soon, it'll be the 10% of dead-boring people who never made a bad decision or did anything questionable in their entire lives who'll be able to get a job. Come to think of it, that's probably the idea.
 
2012-11-04 02:52:33 PM  

Atomic Spunk: drewogatory: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

The credit check baffles me. Just require me to be bondable, but ffs, show me anyone out of work for a prolonged period who hasn't had to break a TV contract or make a late payment or two. Or in my case, I never use credit. No credit cards, no car loans, no house loans. My only bills are pay as you go cell phone,rent & utilities and car insurance. So my credit history is basically non existent, yet I'm screwed for being responsible.

A few late payments probably won't keep you from a job you're qualified to do. But if you have an extensive history of bad credit or a bankruptcy, unless you have a reasonable explanation for the late payments, it is a strong indicator that you're not a very responsible person. Also, credit reports often show judgements, which may reveal a lot about a person's history that may be relevant to their job. I wouldn't hold it against an applicant if he had limited or no credit history.

When I used to assist in my company's hiring decisions, I didn't care much if the credit report showed non-habitual, infrequent late payments. One woman had a pretty bad history of late payments, but she explained that her husband had a serious illness that required her to take off work to care for him and it also drained her savings. We hired her despite her bad credit. Her husband had passed away before she applied for the job. If he were still alive, we would have probably had an employee who was ...


Bankruptcy isn't always a good predictor of bad behavior. We just hired a guy who is in his third year of Chapter 13 bankruptcy because his wife, who was a lawyer, lost her job and couldn't get hired anywhere paying attorney wages. For three years. She worked part time at Home Depot but their annual income went from $300K to about $85K They lost their house to foreclosure because the bank wouldn't let them short sell it, and it was worth less than half what they paid for it in 2006. The bank got a judgement against them, which they couldn't possibly pay, and they declared bankruptcy.

Here's the kicker, though: they didn't have high credit card debt, and they paid off the rest of their debts in short order. The bankruptcy was solely due to the $180,000 the bank wanted from the house. And the bankruptcy court trimmed that judgement down to $15,000, which he was about halfway through paying off when he applied for the job.

Most importantly, he came to his first interview with paperwork outlining all of his financial trouble, and he told us upfront that we didn't need to go further if it was going to be a problem. That took balls, and it probably landed him the job. He had documentation for everything.
 
2012-11-04 02:57:02 PM  

doglover: I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.


What the hell else are you going to do with your time when you leave work every day at three, never have to work weekends, and get summers and endless holidays off as well?

/I keed, I keed
 
2012-11-04 02:58:08 PM  

Somacandra: Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.


Aaaaand I just choked.
 
2012-11-04 03:00:17 PM  

what the cat dragged in: I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.


This, and similar statements by others in the thread, seem to imply her choice to do porn was something deserving of redirecting. Was it? Is it? Are you not judging it as an inferior activity with that assumption? Are you not obliquely calling it "dirty"? Do you not see how by doing so, you are making the same mistake as the moral turpitude clause?

It's not dirty. It's just sex.

Also, is she singly to blame for the march of technology? Is she sorely to blame for the curiosity and/or self-control of others?

No.

If parents want their children to be shielded from her porn, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not hers. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.
 
2012-11-04 03:02:07 PM  

Prey4reign: Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?


I never had an attractive teacher in school. Not a single one.
 
2012-11-04 03:02:31 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: what the cat dragged in: I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.

This, and similar statements by others in the thread, seem to imply her choice to do porn was something deserving of redirecting. Was it? Is it? Are you not judging it as an inferior activity with that assumption? Are you not obliquely calling it "dirty"? Do you not see how by doing so, you are making the same mistake as the moral turpitude clause?

It's not dirty. It's just sex.

Also, is she singly to blame for the march of technology? Is she solely to blame for the curiosity and/or self-control of others?

No.

If parents want their children to be shielded from her porn, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not hers. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.


Fixed that...sorely..heh...Freudian slip?
 
2012-11-04 03:22:25 PM  
Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.
 
2012-11-04 03:22:51 PM  

wedun: steamingpile: Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.

This is the same reason that Clinton was impeached. There wasn't a partisan agenda or anything, it's just that the law is the law and if you lie then we will destroy you and make sure that you never work a day in this office again.


Yep, cause Nixon and Clinton are the only presidents who have ever broken a law.
 
2012-11-04 03:25:35 PM  

StrikitRich: [cdn.newsoxy.com image 266x200]

Somebody brought more than just an apple for the teacher?


img526.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-04 03:28:30 PM  
The only reason she's even getting a hearing is because she works in CA, a state with a teacher's union. Lacking that, a teacher could get fired if, for example, photos of him or her drinking alcohol turn up online. There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county, or better, in the next state and be really conscious of who's around you at all times. Yet another reason why so many teachers say "Screw this!" and leave the profession within five years.
 
2012-11-04 03:29:44 PM  

red5ish: Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.


If they were properly raised by their parents, they wouldn't see it as a big deal. Humanity growing up in regards to everything sexual would help, too.
 
2012-11-04 03:30:03 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: what the cat dragged in: I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.

This, and similar statements by others in the thread, seem to imply her choice to do porn was something deserving of redirecting. Was it? Is it? Are you not judging it as an inferior activity with that assumption? Are you not obliquely calling it "dirty"? Do you not see how by doing so, you are making the same mistake as the moral turpitude clause?

It's not dirty. It's just sex.

Also, is she singly to blame for the march of technology? Is she sorely to blame for the curiosity and/or self-control of others?

No.

If parents want their children to be shielded from her porn, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not hers. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.

Gotta wonder what you would say if a teacher's past was something like being a skinhead, perhaps an activist for a racist or bigoted organization?


After all - If parents want their children to be shielded from it, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not the teacher. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.
 
2012-11-04 03:33:07 PM  

Lsherm: Most importantly, he came to his first interview with paperwork outlining all of his financial trouble, and he told us upfront that we didn't need to go further if it was going to be a problem. That took balls, and it probably landed him the job. He had documentation for everything.


Good point. I would have been pretty impressed with a job candidate like that as well. Sometimes despite a person's responsibility, life takes an unexpected turn and their financial situation just falls apart.
 
2012-11-04 03:35:12 PM  

Lsherm: fatassbastard: Lsherm: She's really, uh, not attractive.

studman69.jpg

Oh for Fark's sake. I'm not getting on a high horse here - she's not attractive. I'm not attractive, and even I wouldn't fark her. If you're below MY standards, you better farking believe you're farking ugly.


So you're into dudes then? NTTAWWT
 
2012-11-04 03:37:15 PM  

mmagdalene: The only reason she's even getting a hearing is because she works in CA, a state with a teacher's union. Lacking that, a teacher could get fired if, for example, photos of him or her drinking alcohol turn up online. There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county, or better, in the next state and be really conscious of who's around you at all times. Yet another reason why so many teachers say "Screw this!" and leave the profession within five years.


Actually, this is true. In NM, alcohol is sold in grocery stores, in a special, blocked off section. I went into such a grocery with the intention of getting a new bottle of booze, saw one of my students and decided that overpriced coffee was a better bet.
 
2012-11-04 03:40:55 PM  
It's sad because even though she did lie about her past, I bet she was correct in assuming she would never be hired as a teacher who used to work in porn. She left her porn career behind to become a capable teacher, assuming that because they're not saying anything negative about her school performance. That she would choose a different career from porn says positive things about her judgement (despite the poor judgement not to reveal her past). I hope that she can find another job (outside of porn) where her past is not an issue.

Besides, being a porn actress is legal. What's the big deal?
 
2012-11-04 03:42:16 PM  

mmagdalene: There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county


I have a friend who is a retired teacher that worked on the Minneapolis side of town and lived on the St Paul side of town (for most Minneapolitans, that may as well be a thousand miles away) and he said pretty much the same thing when I asked him why he didnt look for a gig closer to home. 

/he really likes drinking...
 
2012-11-04 03:48:59 PM  

Fissile: I'm sure there are women who did photo-shoots for various T&A magazines back in the 60s and 70s who are now horrified that those photos can be downloaded by anyone, anywhere in the world,


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-11-04 03:52:19 PM  

fozziewazzi: Ouze: Disgraceful. She shouldn't have to apologize for her legal activities previous to her current job. Why this is even an issue in 2012 is completely beyond me. Same thing goes for Harmony Rose, who got fired from her post-porn paramedic job because of her past.

This is supposed to be America, we don't have scarlet letters. At least, we shouldn't.

The complication is that taught 7th/8th grade, basically junior high. It was her students that discovered her videos, naturally. Ironically had she been teaching pre-pubescent students this probably would never had turned into an issue. But now I don't see how she can still be a junior high school teacher and not have half of her class paying absolutely no mind to what she's saying.


This is actually a good point. Problem is, I don't think that's why people care. They care because sex is icky.

/Move her to another grade and say 'we don't know what you're talking about' whenever it gets brought up, and problem solved, though.
//Kids really don't care that much. Tell them no a few times and they'll forget.
 
2012-11-04 03:52:32 PM  

geekbikerskum: Aikidogamer: Personally I think moral turpitude needs to be struck out of contract language.

Not necessarily, but I think any sexual activity that involves consenting adults is prima facie not to be considered evidence of moral turpitude.

It used to be that being gay was evidence of moral turpitude and meant you were considered unfit to teach children. Hopefully we're mostly past that now, although there certainly seem to be more than a few atavistic morons who want to drag us back there.

The way we're going, pretty soon, it'll be the 10% of dead-boring people who never made a bad decision or did anything questionable in their entire lives who'll be able to get a job. Come to think of it, that's probably the idea.


And that is when the other 90% grab the pitchforks and torches...I am not sure I like where this is going...
 
2012-11-04 03:58:16 PM  

Atomic Spunk: Sometimes despite a person's responsibility, life takes an unexpected turn and their financial situation just falls apart.


Well, farking DUH! Your own posted story backs up that theory.

/not sure if I beat the filter.
 
2012-11-04 04:02:20 PM  
Why, exactly, do we give a crap about this? Do we think that because she boned some guy on camera she's more likely to diddle some kid? It's probably the opposite.
 
2012-11-04 04:11:26 PM  

Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


No, I'm sure she can still do porn films, despite the awkward decision to try teaching on the side.
 
2012-11-04 04:11:40 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: red5ish: Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.

If they were properly raised by their parents, they wouldn't see it as a big deal. Humanity growing up in regards to everything sexual would help, too.


It also only undermines because kids are taught sex is icky, bad, etc. so of course they latch on to it and go after it. the very culture that is saying her students will flip are the ones who trained the kids to flip
 
2012-11-04 04:16:36 PM  
eh, who cares? She's a teacher, so she probably wasn't going too far in life anyway.

//more importantly, was she hot?
 
2012-11-04 04:23:00 PM  

BrassArt: Agent Smiths Laugh: what the cat dragged in: I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.

This, and similar statements by others in the thread, seem to imply her choice to do porn was something deserving of redirecting. Was it? Is it? Are you not judging it as an inferior activity with that assumption? Are you not obliquely calling it "dirty"? Do you not see how by doing so, you are making the same mistake as the moral turpitude clause?

It's not dirty. It's just sex.

Also, is she singly to blame for the march of technology? Is she sorely to blame for the curiosity and/or self-control of others?

No.

If parents want their children to be shielded from her porn, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not hers. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.
Gotta wonder what you would say if a teacher's past was something like being a skinhead, perhaps an activist for a racist or bigoted organization?



After all - If parents want their children to be shielded from it, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not the teacher. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.


I would say our civilization protects free speech and association, and that so long as she committed no crime in the interests of said group, it has no bearing on her ability to teach. So long as it could not be demonstrated that her beliefs motivated her to treat any of the children anything less than equally and professionally.

If she preached such beliefs in the classroom, or perhaps persecuted a child on racial grounds, it could be acted on as proselytization and persecution are not consistent with her duties. No more so than if she started having sex in the classroom in front of the kids.

But let me ask you, what about her sexual conduct threatens you?
 
2012-11-04 04:36:08 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: what the cat dragged in: I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I think her past is her business and she should have the opportunity to redirect her course in life. On the other hand, it's not just that she did porn, but that it's so easily available onlIne to any student or sandy-vag parent: it's a distraction that would interfere with her ability to do her job.

She probably won't win this one. But perhaps by being open about her past experience it can become, as they say, a teachable moment. And in that she may find peace with it.

This, and similar statements by others in the thread, seem to imply her choice to do porn was something deserving of redirecting. Was it? Is it? Are you not judging it as an inferior activity with that assumption? Are you not obliquely calling it "dirty"? Do you not see how by doing so, you are making the same mistake as the moral turpitude clause?

It's not dirty. It's just sex.

Also, is she singly to blame for the march of technology? Is she sorely to blame for the curiosity and/or self-control of others?

No.

If parents want their children to be shielded from her porn, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not hers. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.


Has there ever been a parent that was able to talk their newly pubescent boy out of searching for porn?
 
2012-11-04 04:37:04 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: red5ish: Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.

If they were properly raised by their parents, they wouldn't see it as a big deal. Humanity growing up in regards to everything sexual would help, too.


Properly raised by their parents? WTF? It's okay to have anal sex with strangers for money if you need the cash? I can't see that being part of a parent - daughter discussion in most families, quite the contrary.
 
2012-11-04 04:49:20 PM  

red5ish: Keizer_Ghidorah: red5ish: Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.

If they were properly raised by their parents, they wouldn't see it as a big deal. Humanity growing up in regards to everything sexual would help, too.

Properly raised by their parents? WTF? It's okay to have anal sex with strangers for money if you need the cash? I can't see that being part of a parent - daughter discussion in most families, quite the contrary.


Right. They should only be doing that pro-boner
 
2012-11-04 04:57:18 PM  

BrassArt: Gotta wonder what you would say if a teacher's past was something like being a skinhead, perhaps an activist for a racist or bigoted organization?


After all - If parents want their children to be shielded from it, it is their responsibility to direct the behavior of their children, not the teacher. If it is so easy for their children to be distracted in the classroom, it is their responsibility to teach their children discipline.


If the person isn't bringing it up or advocating it or whatever, then what's the problem? If the non-classroom stuff stays out of the classroom, don't make a farking big deal out of it.
 
2012-11-04 04:59:37 PM  

fozziewazzi: Has there ever been a parent that was able to talk their newly pubescent boy out of searching for porn?


I doubt it, but there may be rare cases, in Quaker country for instance. According to other articles about this case it was the students who first found the teacher's porn films on the internet.
 
2012-11-04 05:14:29 PM  

mongbiohazard: Do you think maybe the first people who started inserting those clauses into ancient religions when they were inventing them just had tiny dicks or something? Maybe they figured they'd even the playing field for themselves a bit if they made it harder for everyone to enjoy their genitals.


Mates are one of the things primates tend to fight and kill each other over. The original intent of things like the glorification of virginity, demands that one sex or the other be sexually faithful to one partner, etc, was to get them to quit it by establishing official "rules" of sexual intercourse. It didn't really matter what the rules were so much as that there were some, so that society could move on to building sphinxes and irrigation systems and so on. And killing each other over things that benefited the tribe instead of only themselves.

Basically, it was a good idea at the time. It's obsolete now because most societies have progressed to the point where mating/marriage is a partnership of (more or less) equals rather than one party outright claiming/owning the other, not because it wasn't practical when we first came up with the idea.
 
2012-11-04 05:17:42 PM  

red5ish: fozziewazzi: Has there ever been a parent that was able to talk their newly pubescent boy out of searching for porn?

I doubt it, but there may be rare cases, in Quaker country for instance. According to other articles about this case it was the students who first found the teacher's porn films on the internet.


That's what I read and here's the thing - if there's any demographic that was mostly likely to expose her, it would have been 13-14 year old boys. The energy, creativity and enthusiasm they muster in their quest for porn is limitless. Of all the professions she could have chosen to reduce the risk of her past ever being exposed, junior high school teacher had to be among the worst. What happened to her was inevitable.
 
2012-11-04 05:45:24 PM  
We just had our 20 year high school reunion in August and I was talking with a friend that is now the principal at a Lutheran school in the town we grew up in. He said that the worst thing about the job is that he can't have any life outside the school. He's always on the job and always being judged on his behaviour. Even at the reunion where most of us ended up pretty loaded and out until three, he had to stop drinking by 10 and leave by midnight because some of our classmates have kids at his school.
 
2012-11-04 05:48:14 PM  

Somacandra: Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.


Or Britain?
 
2012-11-04 05:58:34 PM  

RedVentrue: Don't be drunk/horny and 23.


See this?

This is the patriarchy in a nutshell. Don't have sexual feelings women, that offends the menfolk. That is the entire basis of this incident, old conservative "values" shoved onto the rest of us. Accepting "moral clauses" as actual, legally binding documents in two thousand and frigging twelve is a goddam joke.
 
2012-11-04 06:03:41 PM  
After this many tours, I'm ready to go down in a blaze of glory.

Mission:Impossible

Mission:Accomplished.

With all my love...and I'm off to bed,

Moira Darkheart, D.O.T.
 
2012-11-04 06:18:21 PM  
oh yeah she did a scene with a pizza involved. Whatever your thing is that's cool, but sucking off a dude who has his wang poking through the center of a pepperoni pizza is just weird!
 
2012-11-04 06:20:14 PM  

Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


It's almost like your actions may have consequences in the future. Nah, that couldn't be it. Everyone knows there shouldn't be any consequences for decisions people make. Especially ones they know are bad when they make them. Nah, do whatever you want. Just be prepared to deal with the fallout. And if you're worried about that sort of thing, maybe do a bit of thinking BEFORE you act.
 
2012-11-04 06:31:04 PM  

untaken_name: Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?

It's almost like your actions may have consequences in the future. Nah, that couldn't be it. Everyone knows there shouldn't be any consequences for decisions people make. Especially ones they know are bad when they make them. Nah, do whatever you want. Just be prepared to deal with the fallout. And if you'r ...


Why is being a porn star bad? It's work, just like any other. People who aren't stupid and small-minded have no problem with it. If non-classroom stuff stays out of the classroom, why does it concern you what the teacher did years before if it wasn't illegal?

Grow up, people. Stop being children about everything sexual, and stop teaching your kids to be children about it.
 
2012-11-04 06:37:36 PM  

Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

slapping a band aide on it and saying 'oh hey well it's all proper and legal' ignores the fact that this woman is being punished for what she did in her past.


You don't spent time being filmed having commercial sex and then expect ever to work as a teacher. Tough.
 
2012-11-04 06:40:15 PM  

Endive Wombat: Here is their mentality - "It is Jesus' job to forgive, not mine/society's! You had sex with multiple partners, you were unwed at the time, you had sex in positions other than the missionary position in the dark, the idea of multiple partners is icky to me, ergo you cannot teach my children. Especially my pubescent boys."


Nobody cares who a teacher had sex with. It's the fact that she took money to be filmed doing it, and that those films can and will show up in any school she ever tries to teach at. There is no possibility of her ever being able to maintain class discipline or respect.
 
2012-11-04 06:46:10 PM  

Weaver95: so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job?


Yes, for some jobs. In related news, actions have consequences and an inability to think things through in your twenties is not a great recommendation for any career involving responsibility.
 
2012-11-04 06:53:14 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important.


Since they all have access to film of her having sex for money, she cannot ever be a good or effective teacher of children.
 
2012-11-04 06:57:11 PM  

orbister: unfarkingbelievable: If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important.

Since they all have access to film of her having sex for money, she cannot ever be a good or effective teacher of children.


Of course she can. The parents can be parents and teach their children respect, self-control, and how to behave. You don't punish someone for working an honest living because others can't be bothered to act mature.
 
2012-11-04 07:03:23 PM  
Y'all missed my point. The issue isn't sex. It isn't even porn per se. It's the accessibility of it and how it makes what would normally be a private matter - her sexuality - very public.

In the pre-internet days this would be a nonissue. Her past would be in the past, relegated to the adult bookstores or other adults-only venues. But thanks to technology her past is only a google search away on any smartphone or unfiltered computer. And if you think that doesn't have the potential to be disruptive in a middle school setting you are kidding yourselves.

It's a given that middle schoolers for the most part will be curious about porn. It's a rite of passage really. But are they prepared to deal with viewing hardcore x-rated material of someone they know in person at all, let alone their teacher? That falls into the category of age-inappropriate for most folks. It shouldn't be that way but there it is. It's a distraction to say the least.
 
2012-11-04 07:10:58 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Why is being a porn star bad?


Because of the rate of disease, suicide, and mental problems among performers? That's a start. I agree with you that in theory, there's nothing wrong with it. But in practice, it typically turns out poorly. Life isn't about theory, sir. It's about reality.
 
2012-11-04 07:33:33 PM  

red5ish: Keizer_Ghidorah: red5ish: Your 13-year old students having clips of you getting your salad tossed on their iPhones might tend to undermine your authority as a teacher.

If they were properly raised by their parents, they wouldn't see it as a big deal. Humanity growing up in regards to everything sexual would help, too.

Properly raised by their parents? WTF? It's okay to have anal sex with strangers for money if you need the cash? I can't see that being part of a parent - daughter discussion in most families, quite the contrary.


Don't think of it that way. That's still projecting that there is something wrong with sex between two consenting adults.

Think of it this way. Someone is unemployed. They need cash for the apartment, car, groceries, whatever. If I offer a job that is risky but pays well, why would it be immoral for them to take it? People get paid shiat wages to mine coal, fish for crab, fight fires, whatever. If you consciously know the risks, why are they a lesser person for doing what they need to survive?

I have a patient come in who blew four discs in his spine. Am I supposed to kick him out for taking an OxyContin his aunt offered to kill his pain?
 
2012-11-04 07:39:06 PM  

Selena Luna: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

I"m now 27. When I was 22, I allowed my boyfriend at the time access to things that eventually destroyed my credit. If my credit were checked prior to attaining my job, I would be screwed. Of course, the places that I applied before I got an actual career that checked credit before hire had to do with money-money lenders, bank tellers, and payday loan sharks.


I screwed my credit in my early 20's and it appeared when I needed a clearance for a job. I was honest about my mistake and since it had been years since I'd made the mistakes I was still given a clearance. I think they are looking at honesty vs. past mistakes.
 
2012-11-04 07:46:09 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: orbister: unfarkingbelievable: If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important.

Since they all have access to film of her having sex for money, she cannot ever be a good or effective teacher of children.

Of course she can. The parents can be parents and teach their children respect, self-control, and how to behave. You don't punish someone for working an honest living because others can't be bothered to act mature.


Good luck getting newly pubescent boys to exhibit "respect and self control" in front of a woman they saw taking it up the butt on their computers the night before.
 
2012-11-04 08:04:39 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: orbister: unfarkingbelievable: If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important.

Since they all have access to film of her having sex for money, she cannot ever be a good or effective teacher of children.

Of course she can. The parents can be parents and teach their children respect, self-control, and how to behave.


Nope. Ain't going to happen.

Anyway, anyone who makes the cretinously stupid decision to work as a porn star has to learn to live with the consequences. If she wasn't clever enough to foresee what those consequences might be, she isn't clever enough to work as a teacher.
 
2012-11-04 08:08:57 PM  

Sword and Shield: Think of it this way. Someone is unemployed. They need cash for the apartment, car, groceries, whatever. If I offer a job that is risky but pays well, why would it be immoral for them to take it? People get paid shiat wages to mine coal, fish for crab, fight fires, whatever. If you consciously know the risks, why are they a lesser person for doing what they need to survive?


I'm not making a moral judgement, I am being pragmatic. In abstract there should be no problem with anyone making their living in any fashion that is not harmful to others. In fact, I have no problem with this woman making porn films. Before the advent of the internet she might have been able to leave her porn career behind and it would have never been an issue, but she was making films up until August of 2006 and her students discovered them online. When dealing with 12~14 year old kids this is a big distraction; that is a volatile age where sexuality is concerned.She really has no choice but to go into another profession; she's a distraction to the kids, disrupts the normal function of the school, and (I'm guessing) is outraging the parents.
In the abstract I agree with you, but in practice she is out of luck and very naive to think being a porn star wouldn't conflict with her being a middle school teacher. She made a bad choice if teaching was her ultimate goal.
 
2012-11-04 08:09:32 PM  

distopianDream: Selena Luna: AnyName: How the heck is someone who may have screwed up early in life supposed to "do the right thing". I'm an engineer and work in mass storage which is pretty damn hot right now. I wasn't looking but was actively being recruited from my old job. Every company now does a complete background/credit check. About half wanted a drug screening. These are people that contacted me that are making these demands. A credit check FFS?

Personally I'm OK, but how does someone who has anything in their background get hired under these conditions?

I"m now 27. When I was 22, I allowed my boyfriend at the time access to things that eventually destroyed my credit. If my credit were checked prior to attaining my job, I would be screwed. Of course, the places that I applied before I got an actual career that checked credit before hire had to do with money-money lenders, bank tellers, and payday loan sharks.

I screwed my credit in my early 20's and it appeared when I needed a clearance for a job. I was honest about my mistake and since it had been years since I'd made the mistakes I was still given a clearance. I think they are looking at honesty vs. past mistakes.


It has yet to come up, but if it did, I would be honest too-I made a mistake and allowed a now ex-boyfriend access to money, discovered that he had overspent, and got me into a hole that took me four years to pay off, and another four-two to go-on top of that to dig my way out of. I was only re-allowed to have a checking account 1.5 years ago, and while I can get a car, the interest and down payment for the loan don't even bear considering. So, my mistake was trusting the wrong guy, and because I gave him access, I can't even dispute anything.
 
2012-11-04 08:11:50 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Question:

Would the same amount of "let bygones be bygones" be being proffered were it a male teacher with the same past?

Or would he be seen as an irredeemable pervert who not only deserved to lose his job, but who should also be charged with some sort of crime for bring a loaded penis into the classroom?

Discuss . . . .


I think that the same attitude should be employed for all legal activities outside of the classroom-it's not anyone's business but the person's. If it is legal, no one should care. Yet people do. This astounds me.
 
2012-11-04 09:42:37 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


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Only if the co-star can be identified as something other than a banana.
 
2012-11-04 09:53:59 PM  

untaken_name: Keizer_Ghidorah: Why is being a porn star bad?

Because of the rate of disease, suicide, and mental problems among performers? That's a start. I agree with you that in theory, there's nothing wrong with it. But in practice, it typically turns out poorly. Life isn't about theory, sir. It's about reality.


"Some bad things happen to some people, so that means ALL people have ALL bad things happen!". Wonderful leap of logic there, champ. Good to know you're an amazing armchair psychologist and doctor.

orbister: Nope. Ain't going to happen.

Anyway, anyone who makes the cretinously stupid decision to work as a porn star has to learn to live with the consequences. If she wasn't clever enough to foresee what those consequences might be, she isn't clever enough to work as a teacher.


Now that's really immature. "Punish the slut for taking a job that I think is icky! All porn stars are stupid and vapid! They have no business expecting respect and decency from other people!". I'm certainly glad that your asshole ideals are not the norm.
 
2012-11-04 10:58:03 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Some bad things happen to some people, so that means ALL people have ALL bad things happen!". Wonderful leap of logic there, champ. Good to know you're an amazing armchair psychologist and doctor.


Well of course you think it's wonderful. You made it. Champ. Why not try understanding what I wrote instead of making up your own version of it? Re-read my post. Think this time, if you're capable. Understand, if you can. Or don't. I really don't care. Maybe you can wish away the completely unbalanced ratio of diseased, mentally ill, suicidal people in the porn industry. You don't like it, therefore it's not real, right? That's how reality works, isn't it? It conforms to our wishes because that's how it SHOULD be, right?
 
2012-11-04 11:21:59 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

The very existence of such a thing demonstrates how anachronistic and stunted our civilization's development is.

One would have to question how consistent such establishments are with equal opportunity laws. After all, how does one fairly determine if someone is sufficiently moral for a job, and furthermore, how does one distinguish if a candidate is more or less moral than another? Also, if one does so, is one not discriminating, and by a subjective measure no less, written down or not (the mere writing of a thing does not render it objective)?

Wouldn't it be wiser to recognize that moral standards are subjective and that such measurements can not actually be used to judge worthiness on an equal playing field?

But I know, all too often these moral turpitude standards are based on someone's interpretation of the following:

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And those same people will swear that such a standard is based on objective morality, despite the fact that no such thing exists.


If you think I am a bible thumper, you are so wrong.  A contract, what ever the rules is a contract.  You sign it.  I actually am on the side of this teacher, but she lied.
 
2012-11-05 03:46:00 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Agent Smiths Laugh: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

The very existence of such a thing demonstrates how anachronistic and stunted our civilization's development is.

One would have to question how consistent such establishments are with equal opportunity laws. After all, how does one fairly determine if someone is sufficiently moral for a job, and furthermore, how does one distinguish if a candidate is more or less moral than another? Also, if one does so, is one not discriminating, and by a subjective measure no less, written down or not (the mere writing of a thing does not render it objective)?

Wouldn't it be wiser to recognize that moral standards are subjective and that such measurements can not actually be used to judge worthiness on an equal playing field?

But I know, all too often these moral turpitude standards are based on someone's interpretation of the following:

[tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com image 350x348]

And those same people will swear that such a standard is based on objective morality, despite the fact that no such thing exists.

If you think I am a bible thumper, you are so wrong.  A contract, what ever the rules is a contract.  You sign it.  I actually am on the side of this teacher, but she lied.


I never said you were, I merely indicated that the people who invent such contracts often are.
 
2012-11-05 03:47:23 AM  

orbister: Keizer_Ghidorah: orbister: unfarkingbelievable: If she was a good teacher who was effective in teaching her students, that's so much more important.

Since they all have access to film of her having sex for money, she cannot ever be a good or effective teacher of children.

Of course she can. The parents can be parents and teach their children respect, self-control, and how to behave.

Nope. Ain't going to happen.

Anyway, anyone who makes the cretinously stupid decision to work as a porn star has to learn to live with the consequences. If she wasn't clever enough to foresee what those consequences might be, she isn't clever enough to work as a teacher.


Oh thee up on thine high horse, how do thou ever see us below?
 
2012-11-05 04:59:21 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah:
orbister: Nope. Ain't going to happen.

Anyway, anyone who makes the cretinously stupid decision to work as a porn star has to learn to live with the consequences. If she wasn't clever enough to foresee what those consequences might be, she isn't clever enough to work as a teacher.

Now that's really immature. "Punish the slut for taking a job that I think is icky! All porn stars are stupid and vapid! They have no business expecting respect and decency from other people!". I'm certainly glad that your asshole ideals are not the norm.


Did I say icky? Did I say vapid? I said stupid, and I stand by it. Once you've done a three-way on camera, you are not ever going to be able to teach children. That's life. Realise it and move on.

Incidentally, you'll notice that my ideals on this matter are the norm. Which is why this case arose.
 
2012-11-05 05:02:57 AM  

untaken_name: Maybe you can wish away the completely unbalanced ratio of diseased, mentally ill, suicidal people in the porn industry.


It's important to many of those who consume porn that they believe the performers they are watching are happy, healthy, well-adjusted people, following a nice career out of unforced choice. It might spoil it for them if they realised just how many of those close-up, pulsating sexual organs are attached to drugged, abused, mentally ill and deeply unhappy people. So they come out with things like "Don't shame the slut" when what they really mean is "Don't point out that I'm contributing to abuse".
 
2012-11-05 05:08:55 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: orbister:

Anyway, anyone who makes the cretinously stupid decision to work as a porn star has to learn to live with the consequences. If she wasn't clever enough to foresee what those consequences might be, she isn't clever enough to work as a teacher.

Oh thee up on thine thy high horse, how do dost thou ever see us below?


Fixed your sarcasm for you.

That aside, this really isn't complicated. Performing in porn is not an acceptable career to the overwhelming majority of the population (yes, hypocrisy, I know) and this situation is hardly a secret. I doubt they have to approach women furtively after their first shoot and say "This may come as a dreadful surprise to you, but it's probably going to be a wee bit more difficult for you to become president now."

So ... anyone who goes in to a porn career and expects life to continue as before afterwards, is stupid. And anyone who had a porn career and expects it to have no effect on his or her current life is stupid.

None of this depends on the morality or otherwise of taking it up the arse from groups of parolees. It simply reflects well know societal views.
 
2012-11-05 06:04:25 AM  
A degrading, messy, and misunderstood profession that has an almost prerequisite for mental problems...

oh and she does porn too?!
 
2012-11-05 08:02:28 AM  

poe_zlaw: update. Just fapped to it on xvideos. Quite nice. I say we let her teach.


BOKKMERK
 
2012-11-05 08:57:07 AM  
She's got a helluva body. I'd surely like to run that through a few of my standardized tests.
 
2012-11-05 09:03:02 AM  

Selena Luna: mmagdalene: The only reason she's even getting a hearing is because she works in CA, a state with a teacher's union. Lacking that, a teacher could get fired if, for example, photos of him or her drinking alcohol turn up online. There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county, or better, in the next state and be really conscious of who's around you at all times. Yet another reason why so many teachers say "Screw this!" and leave the profession within five years.

Actually, this is true. In NM, alcohol is sold in grocery stores, in a special, blocked off section. I went into such a grocery with the intention of getting a new bottle of booze, saw one of my students and decided that overpriced coffee was a better bet.


And I've had students buy me bottles and 6 packs (of great beer) after the semester ends and grades have been submitted.

Which is why I really like teaching college students :)
 
2012-11-05 09:12:16 AM  

i.r.id10t: Selena Luna: mmagdalene: The only reason she's even getting a hearing is because she works in CA, a state with a teacher's union. Lacking that, a teacher could get fired if, for example, photos of him or her drinking alcohol turn up online. There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county, or better, in the next state and be really conscious of who's around you at all times. Yet another reason why so many teachers say "Screw this!" and leave the profession within five years.

Actually, this is true. In NM, alcohol is sold in grocery stores, in a special, blocked off section. I went into such a grocery with the intention of getting a new bottle of booze, saw one of my students and decided that overpriced coffee was a better bet.

And I've had students buy me bottles and 6 packs (of great beer) after the semester ends and grades have been submitted.

Which is why I really like teaching college students :)


I'll take grad students over middle-school students anyday.
 
2012-11-05 12:57:13 PM  
poe_zlaw: update. Just fapped to it on xvideos. Quite nice. I say we let her teach.

Agreed. When I was in school, if I had the chance to watch one of my fresh-faced, young teachers nervously strip nude, then drop to her knees on command and start sucking on a stranger's... hmm... I've forgotten where I was going with this, but if you check out Tiffany Six - Her First Scene you'll probably figure it out.
 
2012-11-05 01:33:47 PM  

SnyderCat: After this many tours, I'm ready to go down in a blaze of glory.


Best not let the school board see you going down, gloriously or otherwise.
 
2012-11-05 10:27:04 PM  

SnyderCat: i.r.id10t: Selena Luna: mmagdalene: The only reason she's even getting a hearing is because she works in CA, a state with a teacher's union. Lacking that, a teacher could get fired if, for example, photos of him or her drinking alcohol turn up online. There really are people who would complain to school administration if they saw a teacher having a good time out at a bar or club.

You pretty much have to have your fun in the next county, or better, in the next state and be really conscious of who's around you at all times. Yet another reason why so many teachers say "Screw this!" and leave the profession within five years.

Actually, this is true. In NM, alcohol is sold in grocery stores, in a special, blocked off section. I went into such a grocery with the intention of getting a new bottle of booze, saw one of my students and decided that overpriced coffee was a better bet.

And I've had students buy me bottles and 6 packs (of great beer) after the semester ends and grades have been submitted.

Which is why I really like teaching college students :)

I'll take grad students over middle-school students anyday.


That's funny, because I teach middle school students, and if one bought me a six pack of anything other than soda, that kid would be out of there. However, I'm getting a graduate degree with the hopes of teaching something other than middle school at some point.
 
2012-11-06 11:02:48 AM  

wedun: steamingpile: Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.

This is the same reason that Clinton was impeached. There wasn't a partisan agenda or anything, it's just that the law is the law and if you lie then we will destroy you and make sure that you never work a day in this office again.


Just lie about WMDs, not about BJs.
 
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