Vegan Meat Popsicle: Yup. And, again, PA residents don't seem to mind.
X-boxershorts: Lots do...we get shouted down by the God and Guns brigade.
EnviroDude: If the frack wells are shallow and near the water producing sands, then they might interconnect. But my experience shows most residential water wells are shallow (Anyway, the easiest way to remove Arsenic (naturally occurring), and BTEX is to install carbon filtration systems at each of the drinking water well heads.
rewind2846: How about "the easiest way to handle this is not to put BTEX (not naturally occurring) in the drinking water in the first place"?Let's try that first, mmkay?
Vegan Meat Popsicle: X-boxershorts: Lots do...we get shouted down by the God and Guns brigade.Yea. The same desperately poor, completely uneducated people right up the center of the state who wouldn't be able to afford the increased cancer rates they're doomed to if it weren't for the debil's Obamacare that they're so vociferously opposed to...The fact that the republicans have managed to make such a successful business of getting so many millions to so obviously vote against their own obvious best interests is incredible to me./ but it's not fair to call them stupid or anything, even though almost everything they do is stupid...
lj1330: OK, Dougie, the only thing I have to ask: Will you drink a glass of water from the tap of a well within the 2000ft mark of one of your operations? How about your kids? Wife? Other loved ones? I am guessing, if you can do this in a reliable or provable way, the questions would probably come down quite a bit.
X-boxershorts: They call it Pennsyltucky for a reason
Dougie AXP: we routinely blackball contractors who act in wreckless manners.
lj1330: Dude, don't you see our problem? By your own admission, you are surrounded by contrators who act with greed, and cut corners. I am not worried about you (if you could prove it within the limits of the internet), but you are surrounded by scumbags! How can we trust an industry that is powered by pure profit!
Dougie AXP: Unfortunately those wells were abandoned by previous operators who were independent and small wildcatters. Who were less then fastidious in their record keeping.
X-boxershorts: Dougie AXP: Unfortunately those wells were abandoned by previous operators who were independent and small wildcatters. Who were less then fastidious in their record keeping.This is not accurate.DEP began their records keeping functions as a factor of the 1984 oil and gas act. One major flaw of that act was that...they never reconciled their records with the old local records and the old geological survey maps were most of these records existed.And the former oil and gas act of 1984 had a 2000 dollar restoration bond attached to it, which only applied to new wells drilled after Jan 1 1985.And that bond never ever came close to the cost of properly plugging an abandoned well.They updated that with the 2011 ACT13, now the bond averages about 6000 per unconventional well.3 wells in Dimock, PA that DEP felt were responsible for the fouling is the water in Dimcok, all of them vertical marcellus wells, cost 700,000 each to plug.The economics of well recovery bonding says this...Drill a well, run it til it slows, sell it off to a small operator, small operator eventually goes bankrupt, PA owns the well and all it's liabilities.This scenario has played itself out thousands of times in PA.That hole in the ground will be there for the life of the planet.What's your maintenance plan?Concrete shrinks with age, too...
Dougie AXP: Secondly, when you refer to Dimock are you referring you referring to the stuff in Gasland? Because that was a chemical surface spill, not anything to do with the actual process for frac'ing.
Dougie AXP: I understand your questions but I also must ask; what energy source is 100% risk free? None of them are. All come with problems.
Dougie AXP: but until then, you need an energy policy like that of what President Obama advocates. An environmentally responsible "all of the above" attack.
sammyk: MurphyMurphy: starsrift: MurphyMurphy: ...One situation where an impartial state government would be nice. But the industry saw to it we wouldn't have that.The first sentence of TFA notes this is a private well. While giving shale fracking permits, contaminated groundwater and such is the purview of the state, the cleanliness of the well's water and monitoring of it also bears private responsibility as well.Without trying to sound Republican... government isn't the only answer here.Nothing partisan about expecting responsibility from all parties.I think there is room for responsibility to be shared. I think it should be the land owners responsibility to have the tests done before/during/after ...also in my little ideal world, the government would insist and verify that it happened to a more than satisfactory level of quality and impartiality.Sounds easy... but we sure screwed it up here.Why should the property owner have any responsibility? Why should a private property owner have to take on the cost of testing because big oil wants to make millions by fraking near his land?It should be a cost of the fraking business period. You want a permit to frak you need to do a proper environmental impact study that includes testing all wells in the area prior to fraking. Don't wanna do that tough shiat. You want to make millions fraking its your farking responsibility to ensure you do not harm nearby property owners that are getting nothing from the fraking operation.
MurphyMurphy: I'm sorry, I didn't explain well enough.When I said property owner, I meant the person that owns the property that has leased it for drilling. The guy that makes money by letting people use his land.
Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Wait a second subby,Are you telling me that the PA Commonwealth Government is bought and paid for by the oil and gas lobby?Someone grab me my fainting chair.You ever notice that all these complex conspiracies against the people of the us involve hundreds of people who are able to keep their lips sealed about an ongoing conspiracy and it only happens when the dumb republican party that cant tie thier own shoe laces are in power?Either they are smarter than you think or there is no conspiracy...I wish i drew the look the other way republicans instead of the libby mcenviroweenie when they inspect my dams for seepage after a 3 day rainstorm/its rainwater saturating the ground... Come back when its been sunshine for 3 days
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