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(Townhall)   US Law: You cannot wear, show and speak anything in favor or against a candidate within 100 yards of a polling station. NAACP Texas: Inside wearing and handing out Obama paraphernalia, goodies, and telling people to vote for Obama   (townhall.com) divider line 255
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2012-11-04 12:55:23 PM

Jim_Callahan: thenewmissus: Giving out water isn't a crime (unless you are black apparently). Non-story and you know it.

Wearing paraphernalia advocating a political cause or party (yes, the NAACP, having PACs among other things, would be a political organization) is in fact illegal in Texas within 100 yards of the polling station, as is verbally advocating for a candidate, organization, or cause.

Though... "crime" is kinda overstating it. The standard procedure is to ask you to conceal the logo, and if you won't then you're removed from the premises. Only if you at that point refuse to leave/come back and harass people further are you actually going to be in any legal trouble.

Basically, yeah, this is in fact a violation, but it's more on the poll workers for not asking them to go change their shirts to something without a political emblem and/or move 100 yards away than anything else.


NAACP is a non-profit. I don't think anyone would ask a person wearing a Red Cross t-shirt to turn their shirt inside out or declare it illegal. The person complaining was inferring that the mere presence of a large number of black people in NAACP handing out water is an actionable voter intimidation case. Being black doesn't mean you support Obama.
 
2012-11-04 12:57:09 PM

BSABSVR: ginandbacon

: True the Vote is a voter suppression group and deserves no attention from anyone 
 
2012-11-04 12:57:25 PM

REO-Weedwagon: "I told her that the NAACP was inside the building, wearing the NAACP clothing and caps"

[www.reviewsbyjessewave.com image 300x250]


"...While openly stumping for one candidate and moving anyone who voted their way to the front of the line."

/But yeah. She wasn't accusing them of an actual crime or anything. Nope, this was all about racism.
 
2012-11-04 01:09:38 PM

thenewmissus: NAACP is a non-profit. I don't think anyone would ask a person wearing a Red Cross t-shirt to turn their shirt inside out or declare it illegal. The person complaining was inferring that the mere presence of a large number of black people in NAACP handing out water is an actionable voter intimidation case. Being black doesn't mean you support Obama.


Not according to the Republicans... :)
 
2012-11-04 01:14:07 PM

Xcott: smitty04: Would you feel the same way about the Skin Heads doing the same?

No, I would not, because a skinhead presence carries an implicit threat of violence.

Surely you don't think the NAACP's presence is an implicit threat of violence to white voters.


From his earlier comments, I think he's suggesting that being a "young black male" is an implicit threat of violence.

/Note that the Townhall article made no mention of the NAACP members' gender or age. It's just the first image that smitty's mind went to.
//But don't call him racist. YOU'RE the one who's racist.
 
2012-11-04 01:40:47 PM
I'm sure the diligent members of an organization whose stated purpose is to "true the vote" would have been trained to immediately document any sort of wrongdoing by obtaining video of it, right?

Oh, they didn't get video? It's just the word of some right-wing hack who didn't bother to document their accusations?

Sounds legit.
 
2012-11-04 01:41:38 PM

zenobia: cretinbob: pics or it didn't happen

True The Vote has million$ behind it, yet none of their pollwatchers had a cell phone with a camera?


I don't know about Texas but in Florida you're not allowed to have a camera inside the polling place. However, the fact that they aren't saying, "we weren't allowed to photograph it because of the no cameras in the polling place" rule means that it's almost certainly a bogus complaint.
 
2012-11-04 01:42:34 PM

smitty04: United Nations-affiliated Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe will deploy election monitors from Europe and central Asia to polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression


Oooooooh! BLACK MEN! Everyone run!
 
2012-11-04 01:49:32 PM
True the Vote is a voter suppression group that is under investigation by the US Congress for criminal activities.
 
2012-11-04 02:18:08 PM
Why the hell do people even show up on voting days? Just do absentee. America never ceases to disappoint me.
 
2012-11-04 03:23:29 PM
This being a Townhall article, I'm even beginning to doubt there is a city called "Houston" in Texas.
 
2012-11-04 03:34:43 PM

PapaChester: Why the hell do people even show up on voting days? Just do absentee. America never ceases to disappoint me.


The GOP is challenging absentee ballots big time.
 
2012-11-04 03:36:26 PM

trotsky: BSABSVR: ginandbacon: True the Vote is a voter suppression group and deserves no attention from anyone


I love the Alinski tactic here. Anyone attempting to enforce election laws is now engaging in, "voter suppression." Good one!
 
2012-11-04 03:39:06 PM

smitty04: Xcott: smitty04: Would you feel the same way about the Skin Heads doing the same?

No, I would not, because a skinhead presence carries an implicit threat of violence.

Surely you don't think the NAACP's presence is an implicit threat of violence to white voters.

Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.


I'm not sure how that sentence relates at all to what we were talking about. Are churches threatening to beat up voters? And how does that make the NAACP like skinheads?

That being said, my last two balloting locations were in multi-purpose rooms at churches. My new balloting location is in a Catholic high school. They're just rooms: if anyone finds them too intimidating to come near, then maybe they should just stay home and cry. Society is not obligated to conceal every thing that may symbolically scare the very timid.

A skinhead group, however, is not "symbolically" intimidating, so your analogy isn't making sense.
 
2012-11-04 03:49:58 PM
Last I checked the NAACP is not a political party, and handing out water is not "campaigning". Pardon me if I don't simply take the word of one person who belongs to a Tea Party group created to intimidate and suppress votes for Democrats that these people are guilty of anything but "being Black at a polling place". I mean, surely Screw The Vote would have some creatively-edited video evidence of any alleged wrongdoing, no?
 
2012-11-04 04:06:40 PM

Jim_Callahan: thurstonxhowell: fustanella: That explains the three Romney-t-shirted people at early voting in central Florida on Friday. (No overt Obama-dressed folk.) Stay classy, repugs.

Obama supporter here. Why shouldn't they wear whatever they want?

Electioneering law, usually.

I'm not sure it's "US law", though, I think it's state-by-state. Texas has a pending lawsuit over someone wearing a "VOTE: The Bible" tee-shirt at an early polling place this year, so I suspect that ours is pretty strict (I know we have the 100 yard rule, as well, 'cause we aint into them hippie meter thingies). I also wasn't allowed to check my cell phone while waiting in line, so fairly paranoid about device interference too, I guess.

Empty Matchbook: But all those polling places inside churches with pro-life/anti-gay posters? Well that's just good ol', 'Murican freedom's what that is!

That wouldn't be legal, so far as I know, though again I only really know my state's laws. The election commission actually only uses public buildings (at least for the last few years), so no churches to begin with, and the rooms where the machines are set up are stripped to the walls or covered so as to be basically white boxes.


My polling place this last year was in an Armenian church, so I can assure you that there are indeed polling places inside churches. And the walls weren't bare, but I didn't see anything political (though I AM in that libby lib center of liberalism San Francisco, so who knows if there would have been regardless of elections).
 
2012-11-04 04:51:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.


The case was dropped in May of 2009. That would be under the Obama administration.
 
2012-11-04 04:54:55 PM

Empty Matchbook: My polling place this last year was in an Armenian church, so I can assure you that there are indeed polling places inside churches. And the walls weren't bare, but I didn't see anything political (though I AM in that libby lib center of liberalism San Francisco, so who knows if there would have been regardless of elections).


I've also been to polling places in churches, but I certainly didn't see any posters on the walls telling me that abortion is evil. The church simply provided its multi-purpose room, and did not use it for any sort of indoctrination.

Also, there's nothing particularly "Murican" about a purely secular event like voting occurring at a church. If anything, it is uniquely American to freak out about it.
 
2012-11-04 05:07:26 PM
I would be pissed at the same thing if a republican did this, but as long as my people are ignoring election laws, and probably committed voter fraud and suppression I'm ok with that.
 
2012-11-04 05:19:15 PM

cc_rider: Last I checked the NAACP is not a political party, and handing out water is not "campaigning". Pardon me if I don't simply take the word of one person who belongs to a Tea Party group created to intimidate and suppress votes for Democrats that these people are guilty of anything but "being Black at a polling place". I mean, surely Screw The Vote would have some creatively-edited video evidence of any alleged wrongdoing, no?


Much less is it "Obama paraphernalia."
 
2012-11-04 05:23:20 PM

OgreMagi: cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.

The case was dropped in May of 2009. That would be under the Obama administration.


Civil case. Not criminal case.
 
2012-11-04 05:23:56 PM

Cataholic: trotsky: BSABSVR: ginandbacon: True the Vote is a voter suppression group and deserves no attention from anyone

I love the Alinski tactic here. Anyone attempting to enforce election laws is now engaging in, "voter suppression." Good one!


At least spell the name of your red herring right.
 
2012-11-04 05:24:39 PM

Cataholic: trotsky: BSABSVR: ginandbacon: True the Vote is a voter suppression group and deserves no attention from anyone

I love the Alinski tactic here. Anyone attempting to enforce election laws is now engaging in, "voter suppression." Good one!


wat
 
2012-11-04 05:35:43 PM

Cataholic: trotsky: BSABSVR: ginandbacon: True the Vote is a voter suppression group and deserves no attention from anyone

I love the Alinski tactic here. Anyone attempting to enforce expand election restriction laws is now engaging in, "voter suppression." Good one!

 

Fixed for accuracy. Catholics shouldn't lie, by omission or deception.

/Did I just save your soul?
 
2012-11-04 05:38:10 PM

smitty04: [www.texasfred.net image 550x350]

United Nations-affiliated Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe will deploy election monitors from Europe and central Asia to polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups, a concern raised by civil rights groups during a meeting this week, according to a report on Saturday.

The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), among other groups, warned this month in a letter to Daan Everts, a senior official with OSCE, of "a coordinated political effort to disenfranchise millions of Americans - particularly traditionally disenfranchised groups like minorities."


Still going with "EHRMAGERD!!1! BLERCK PERNTHERS!!!!" Really?

Jesus, "conservatives" are pussies.
 
2012-11-04 05:43:03 PM

cc_rider: Last I checked the NAACP is not a political party, and handing out water is not "campaigning". Pardon me if I don't simply take the word of one person who belongs to a Tea Party group created to intimidate and suppress votes for Democrats that these people are guilty of anything but "being Black at a polling place". I mean, surely Screw The Vote would have some creatively-edited video evidence of any alleged wrongdoing, no?


As far as Republicans are concerned, the NAACP is obviously a political party. Heck, they're the same folks that thought ACORN was a political group. I'm waiting for James O'Keefe to show up in blackface at a Texas polling station wearing an Obama jersey and start doing a cakewalk while singing a pro-Obama song, just so he can claim that, because he wasn't thrown out fast enough, the Texas electoral process is somehow rigged for Obama. Breitbart's ghost can upload a heavily edited version of the video, and Sean Hannity can then play concern troll.

Heck, they may even be able to convince conservative Congresscritters to pass a bill of attainder somehow banning the NAACP members, or likely NAACP members, from appearing anywhere near polling places, just in case they try to commit "voter fraud."
 
2012-11-04 05:45:43 PM
SO what she meant to say was 'How am I meant to intimidate voters properly with all these black people around making sure people are good to go?'
 
2012-11-04 05:53:13 PM

smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.


Name one.
 
2012-11-04 05:57:57 PM

Hickory-smoked: smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.

Name one.


Smitty04 for one....
 
2012-11-04 06:07:01 PM

FormlessOne: they're the same folks that thought ACORN was a political group.


I'm trying to figure out how anyone would not consider an organization that lobbied for certain political changes could not be considered a political group. They were a 501(c)4 registered nonprofit. That type is allowed to lobby (which is politics). If they wanted to be a nonpolitical organization, they would have registered as a 501(c)3 organization (as an educational group, perhaps).

ACORN
501(c) Organizations
 
2012-11-04 06:22:59 PM

X-boxershorts: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.

Name one.

Smitty04 for one....

Humanists Launch Legal Campaign Against Church Polling Sites

 
2012-11-04 06:29:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.


Whatever happened to those guys? When it looked like Obama was going to win the nomination, there was some crazy old lady screaming how the Democrats were throwing the White House away. A few days later she was on Fox News talking about how much she hates Obama. The "Don't Taze Me Bro" guy was on TV a few days after his incident.

So what about these 'Black Panthers'? Did they simply vanish from the face of the earth?
 
2012-11-04 06:38:33 PM

smitty04: X-boxershorts: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.

Name one.

Smitty04 for one....

Humanists Launch Legal Campaign Against Church Polling Sites


Huh. I guess you found a guy.

It's the first I've ever heard of it, but sure, if you claim there are atheists intimidated by religious symbology the same way you are by "young black males," then I guess there's something to it.
 
2012-11-04 06:49:22 PM
What teabaggers believe happened:

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i28.photobucket.com

What actually happened:

i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-04 07:03:12 PM

smitty04: zenobia: cretinbob: pics or it didn't happen

True The Vote has million$ behind it, yet none of their pollwatchers had a cell phone with a camera?

Not even I have a cell phone with a camera. I feel that if it is worth photographing use a high quality camera with a high quality lens.


Maybe they are just mad because they didn't get an Obamaphone?

a4cgr.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-04 07:07:07 PM

cretinbob: smitty04: zenobia: cretinbob: pics or it didn't happen

True The Vote has million$ behind it, yet none of their pollwatchers had a cell phone with a camera?

Not even I have a cell phone with a camera. I feel that if it is worth photographing use a high quality camera with a high quality lens.

Maybe they are just mad because they didn't get an Obamaphone?

[a4cgr.files.wordpress.com image 399x323]


I can't see these Obamaphone comments without thinking of this

I hope this sticks in all your heads well past Tuesday.
/Why, yes, I think humanity will get all it deserves....
 
2012-11-04 07:42:48 PM
OMG! There were black people handing out water! And they didn't even hide the fact that they were black, just like the kenyan muslim communist usurper-in-chief!

And then instead of smoking demon weed and sexing white women driven crazy with demon jazz, they were helping the old and infirm move to the front of the line! Clearly they were behaving in an atypical manner to influence tbe election.
 
2012-11-04 07:52:29 PM

log_jammin: This is just too funny. 3_Butt_Cheeks: tries to say I'm a racist because I posted a quote from the guy in the article, therefore proving that he MUST think the guy in the article is obviously a racist since he's the one who actually said it!

wrap that shiat up in a bow.


Every time you write a post about three butt cheeks, he pumps another squirt of jergens hand lotion into his right hand.

Think about that the next time you decide to amuse an attention troll.
 
2012-11-04 07:58:10 PM

Jim_Callahan: thurstonxhowell: fustanella: That explains the three Romney-t-shirted people at early voting in central Florida on Friday. (No overt Obama-dressed folk.) Stay classy, repugs.

Obama supporter here. Why shouldn't they wear whatever they want?

Electioneering law, usually.


I didn't ask if it's illegal; I'm aware that, in some states, it is. I did word my question poorly, though. What I should have asked is "Why should the law get a say in what they're allowed to wear?".

What if I wear a shirt with an elephant on it? Or a jackass? How about my Bad Brains tee with lightning striking the capitol? How much of my free speech do I give up when I enter a polling place?

Sure, I shouldn't be allowed to harass or intimidate people, but, if I decide to wear a shirt that declares all American military leadership to be war criminals, that should be my right. If I think that should be my right, I'm forced to concede that it should be some other guy's right to wear a Romney shirt.

/ I don't actually thing all American military leadership are war criminals, but I'll be god damned if I'll give up my right to say they are.
 
2012-11-04 08:02:46 PM

thurstonxhowell: Jim_Callahan: thurstonxhowell: fustanella: That explains the three Romney-t-shirted people at early voting in central Florida on Friday. (No overt Obama-dressed folk.) Stay classy, repugs.

Obama supporter here. Why shouldn't they wear whatever they want?

Electioneering law, usually.

I didn't ask if it's illegal; I'm aware that, in some states, it is. I did word my question poorly, though. What I should have asked is "Why should the law get a say in what they're allowed to wear?".

What if I wear a shirt with an elephant on it? Or a jackass? How about my Bad Brains tee with lightning striking the capitol? How much of my free speech do I give up when I enter a polling place?

Sure, I shouldn't be allowed to harass or intimidate people, but, if I decide to wear a shirt that declares all American military leadership to be war criminals, that should be my right. If I think that should be my right, I'm forced to concede that it should be some other guy's right to wear a Romney shirt.

/ I don't actually thing all American military leadership are war criminals, but I'll be god damned if I'll give up my right to say they are.


Voters are allowed to wear whatever political garb they want when they go to the polls to vote. No one else is allowed to.
 
2012-11-04 08:05:29 PM

cc_rider: What teabaggers believe happened:

[i28.photobucket.com image 424x336]

+

i28.photobucket.com

What actually happened:

[i28.photobucket.com image 300x168]


Pictures of candidates would never make it past the 300 foot boundary here. Rules are rules.
 
2012-11-04 08:23:58 PM

smitty04: X-boxershorts: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.

Name one.

Smitty04 for one....

Humanists Launch Legal Campaign Against Church Polling Sites


Yeah...compare that guy to this guy:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

"Maybe if I make them stand in line long enough, they'll go away and not vote!"

This is why people with brains don't take you and your ilk seriously. "OMG, two black guys are standing in front of a polling place!!1! OMG, a couple of atheists don't like voting in churches!! OMG, people are handing out water!!" but you say nothing about actual officials throwing every wrench at their disposal into the gears to discourage voting.

"Conservatives" aren't even trying to hide their efforts any more, and look at the ridiculous shiat you're getting all worked up over.

Pathetic.
 
2012-11-04 08:31:30 PM
In 1996 our regular polling place, the meeting house at a local club, was being renovated. The polling place was moved to the rec house of a nearby church. The lot of the church was covered with DOLE signs and the other local Republicans running for office that year. One of the old woman poll workers was wearing a DOLE pin while taking ballots.
Seems to me but there were at least a dozen of different polling violations being committed there that year. Nothing was done about it and the woman working there gave my the strangest look when I told her she shouldn't be wearing that pin inside and working in her capacity.....

/BOB DOLE
 
2012-11-04 08:38:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: smitty04: X-boxershorts: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: Some people feel that voting in churches is intimidating to Progressives.

Name one.

Smitty04 for one....

Humanists Launch Legal Campaign Against Church Polling Sites

Yeah...compare that guy to this guy:

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 184x231]

"Maybe if I make them stand in line long enough, they'll go away and not vote!"

This is why people with brains don't take you and your ilk seriously. "OMG, two black guys are standing in front of a polling place!!1! OMG, a couple of atheists don't like voting in churches!! OMG, people are handing out water!!" but you say nothing about actual officials throwing every wrench at their disposal into the gears to discourage voting.

"Conservatives" aren't even trying to hide their efforts any more, and look at the ridiculous shiat you're getting all worked up over.

Pathetic.


Speaking as someone who worked as a poll watcher for the Obama campaign in Florida during early voting, we were trained to make sure that everyone who is eligible to vote is allowed to cast a ballot. The GOP poll watchers were there looking at each and every (non-white) voter with suspicion and ended up getting in trouble with the supervisor of elections because voters were complaining that they were being made to feel uncomfortable.

The difference is stark. The Democrats are trying to make sure that everyone votes, the Republicans are going out of their way to make sure that as few of the wrong sort of voter casts a ballot.
 
2012-11-04 09:32:57 PM
According to Eve Rockford, a poll watcher trained by voter integrity group True the Vote

Seems legit.
 
2012-11-04 09:40:16 PM

smitty04: cc_rider: What teabaggers believe happened:

[i28.photobucket.com image 424x336]

+



What actually happened:

[i28.photobucket.com image 300x168]

Pictures of candidates would never make it past the 300 foot boundary here. Rules are rules.


Yes, and we agree with them.

When cc_rider says "What teabaggers believe happened," the implication is that the narrative being described (ie Black Panthers with H2Obama branded refreshment) is a fabrication and/or delusion. Mythological. As in not really what happened. 

Now, if there really was pamphleteering going on in the restricted area, the election officials should definitely have asked them to leave, no question. However, since all we have to go on is the undocumented word of a crazy woman who reads TownHall and belongs to a voter suppression drive, I'm inclined to believe they were acting within the rule of the law. "Being black" does not in itself qualify as intimidation.
 
2012-11-04 10:24:14 PM
Romney is going to win. The economy is going to improve. Liberals will be the first into the FEMA cages.
 
2012-11-04 10:52:29 PM

s2s2s2: Romney is going to win. The economy is going to improve. Liberals will be the first into the FEMA cages.

 

img229.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-04 11:11:58 PM

theknuckler_33: s2s2s2: Romney is going to win. The economy is going to improve. Liberals will be the first into the FEMA cages. 

[img229.imageshack.us image 391x390]


I hope there are enough to elect a real, liberal candidate next time.
 
2012-11-04 11:42:54 PM

Xcott: Empty Matchbook: My polling place this last year was in an Armenian church, so I can assure you that there are indeed polling places inside churches. And the walls weren't bare, but I didn't see anything political (though I AM in that libby lib center of liberalism San Francisco, so who knows if there would have been regardless of elections).

I've also been to polling places in churches, but I certainly didn't see any posters on the walls telling me that abortion is evil. The church simply provided its multi-purpose room, and did not use it for any sort of indoctrination.

Also, there's nothing particularly "Murican" about a purely secular event like voting occurring at a church. If anything, it is uniquely American to freak out about it.


I'm not freaking out about it, I'm just saying what I've heard about elsewhere.
 
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