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(Townhall)   US Law: You cannot wear, show and speak anything in favor or against a candidate within 100 yards of a polling station. NAACP Texas: Inside wearing and handing out Obama paraphernalia, goodies, and telling people to vote for Obama   (townhall.com) divider line 255
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2012-11-04 06:17:41 AM

Mikey1969: So subby's "violation" is that they were wearing NAACP clothing? That's it? Sure they talked about flying to DC to promote Obama, but I see no mention of them doing that in this story. They wore the clothes, which aren't political, and handed out water. Not sure where the 'moving people to the front of the line' thing comes into play, but the story is pretty vague there. As your submission stands, Subby, your premise fails. Unless you're playing the racist angle and assuming that a person who supports the NAACP is going to automatically vote for Obama. Sounds a little bit 'you people' for a party that tries to convince the world on an hourly basis that they are not racist and would NEVER make an assumption based on the color of one's skin.

So glad this got greenlit, I'm sure it was FAR more worthy than every other submission.


Mikey - the story is bullshiat. Who is this mysterious caller from "downtown" who told her to "stand down"?
If it was her bosses in the RW voter harreassment club she belongs to, there's no way they would have told her that if she had anything legit. Who else could it be? The Registrar of Voters? Why doesn't she say that?
And anyway, NOBODY has the authority to tell ANYBODY to "stand down" if they are observing a blatant violation of criminal law. Why didn't she just CALL A F**KING COP???
Because it didn't go down the way she said, is why.
 
2012-11-04 06:19:09 AM

Mikey1969: So subby's "violation" is that they were wearing NAACP clothing? That's it? Sure they talked about flying to DC to promote Obama, but I see no mention of them doing that in this story. They wore the clothes, which aren't political, and handed out water. Not sure where the 'moving people to the front of the line' thing comes into play, but the story is pretty vague there. As your submission stands, Subby, your premise fails. Unless you're playing the racist angle and assuming that a person who supports the NAACP is going to automatically vote for Obama. Sounds a little bit 'you people' for a party that tries to convince the world on an hourly basis that they are not racist and would NEVER make an assumption based on the color of one's skin.

So glad this got greenlit, I'm sure it was FAR more worthy than every other submission.


And the violation was "reported" by a group known for actual voter intimidation. More Rovian projection.
 
2012-11-04 06:23:05 AM

jso2897: Because it didn't go down the way she said, is why.


I think it went down exactly as it was said.

NAACP people showed up and handed out water to the voters. Angry racist voter suppressor guy starts loudly complaining that the NAACP people where wearing clothes that said "NAACP" on them and he heard the name "Obama". Voter workr person says "It's legal, but you can talk to my supervisor downtown". supervisor tells him to shove it. He whines to his townhall buddy. The end.
 
2012-11-04 06:32:05 AM

log_jammin: jso2897: Because it didn't go down the way she said, is why.

I think it went down exactly as it was said.

NAACP people showed up and handed out water to the voters. Angry racist voter suppressor guy starts loudly complaining that the NAACP people where wearing clothes that said "NAACP" on them and he heard the name "Obama". Voter workr person says "It's legal, but you can talk to my supervisor downtown". supervisor tells him to shove it. He whines to his townhall buddy. The end.


Well, yeah, but you are cutting through the hyperbole to the mere facts of the matter, and that's cheating. I'm also sure that some elderly and handicapped people who couldn't stand in line for hours were helped to the front - happens at my polling place when it's busy all the time.
But what she twists all that into would constitute criminal bahavior if it was as she described it.
The truth is, there WILL be hanky-panky at the polls this election - there always is some. Both sides will do it, and so will fringe groups. But the occasional legit stories will be hard to spot, bobbing up and down like little rubber ducks in an ocean of bullshiat yarns like this one.
 
2012-11-04 06:43:36 AM
Why does it feel like it's always republican's biatching about voter fraud, voter intimidation, etc. DNRTFA (Townhall and all) so I may be corrected, but does wearing a NAACP shirt automatically constitute vote for Obama? Also, my own experience from early voting last week in TX - I had two people, well within there legal bounds tell me to vote straight GOP. I'm thinking, this is Texas, how else am I going vote? So I voted straight Democrat. What I found interesting is that the voting machine still took me race by race to confirm who I was voting for. That's a good thing, but I don't remember that happening in the past. Of course, there was only one other time that I voted straight ticket - and that was GOP. I voted straight Democrat! That's how far the I feel the GOP has left me. Anyway. Also, noted that when I went to vote, at least half of the voters were pulling out their IDs and the volunteers were telling them to please put their IDs away. Seems that they wanted to ensure that no one could say that IDs were being asked for. There are people out there that just want you to vote, it doesn't matter who you vote for.

/steps off of soapbox.
 
2012-11-04 06:57:13 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.


Bush dropped the criminal case.

Holder, in the civil case, allowed them to get away with a warning that basically said next time don't break the law.

The lack of pictures makes me think this is BS, but those clowns shouldn't have gotten away without punishment.
 
2012-11-04 07:17:23 AM

liam76: cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.

Bush dropped the criminal case.

Holder, in the civil case, allowed them to get away with a warning that basically said next time don't break the law.

The lack of pictures makes me think this is BS, but those clowns shouldn't have gotten away without punishment.


That's the irony - there will be legit stories - but they will be lost in the noise of a thousand bullshiat stories like this one.
 
2012-11-04 07:26:38 AM

3_Butt_Cheeks: James F. Campbell: I live in Mississippi, where they tried to pass a voter ID law.

Identification is a lame way to identify someone.

James F. Campbell: The secretary of state and governor have both made ambiguous statements with the purposeful intention of confusing people

Citation?

James F. Campbell: What should I do if the blue-haired old biatches down at the church I vote in ask me for a photo ID? Is it legal for me to record them? Who should I report them to?

You are asking what to do if an old lady asks if you will show ID (the same thing ppl want to see for cigs, booze, tickets at will call etc)? Is this type of conflict resolution so insurmountable you ask FARK for help????

Please, just don't vote.


The standard rightwing response. They genuinely believe it's irresponsible/immoral/dishonest/criminal to vote for a non-Republican.
 
2012-11-04 07:31:07 AM
NewportBarGuy: mad called.gif

That's fantastic.
 
2012-11-04 07:31:42 AM
What's wrongs with NAACP logos? I don't think they're that partisan. I mean, Romney gave a speech to them - I think it went over very well.

/He did warn them about giving stuff away, and that he wouldn't do it
//Maybe he's a profit
 
2012-11-04 07:36:28 AM

TommyDeuce: What's wrongs with NAACP logos? I don't think they're that partisan. I mean, Romney gave a speech to them - I think it went over very well.

/He did warn them about giving stuff away, and that he wouldn't do it
//Maybe he's a profit


What the teabagger was actually biatching about was black people in the polling station
 
2012-11-04 07:45:42 AM

propasaurus: Oh noes! NAACP members were wearing NAACP labeled clothing!


By odd coincidence an outrage topic for conservative talk radio yesterday was a Texas woman denied entry to a polling place for wearing a 'vote the bible' shirt. This story is perfectly in line with the accuse the accusers tact beaten to death by their cult members here so color me skeptical on this one.
 
2012-11-04 07:46:17 AM

Mr. Breeze: ginandbacon: Handing out refreshments is not a violation of the restrictions for campaigning at the polls. Neither is talking about how you would vote or whom you support. .

How about moving your supporters to the front of the line?


That's what you add to the story when it's not outragey enough.
 
2012-11-04 07:50:24 AM

Carlip: are these the same folks two guys from the black panthers New Black Panthers, a fringe group condemned by actual Black Panthers that were standing outside polls one polling place in Philadelphia with clubs one of them holding a homemade billy club during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder Justice Dept officials?

 

Behold, a photo of the worst voter-intimidation crisis in U.S. history (shortly before cops made the guy with the billy club leave):
votingamerican.files.wordpress.com

Why, it makes that overblown incident in a different Philadelphia seem quite minor by comparison!
 
2012-11-04 07:53:07 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.


Wow, it only took 3 posts for someone to utterly go galactic fail.
 
2012-11-04 07:55:05 AM

shotglasss: Wow, it only took 3 posts for someone to utterly go galactic fail.


OK, who let a 19 year old from the year 2008 in here?
 
2012-11-04 08:08:55 AM
During the last election in Virginia, some guy had painted a facsimile of the "hope" poster on a huge plywood sign and stuck it to the side of his van. He parked it on the outer edges of the parking lot. I got there early, and the funniest thing was this: there was a small group of Republicans walking side by side, step by step, making sure it was 100 feet away. When I left the polls (they were pretty busy), they were doing it again.

The funniest part: the van was probably something like 250 feet away.
 
2012-11-04 08:12:19 AM
Here's the TL/DR version of the article

content8.flixster.com
 
2012-11-04 08:14:15 AM

jimmajim: Behold, a photo of the worst voter-intimidation crisis in U.S. history......


The Washington Post's analysis of the event here, and the video here. Watch for yourself as two black men answer the questions they're asked before cruelly turn away to ignore their terrified challenger with the camera phone. It's Zapruder all over again.
 
2012-11-04 08:15:14 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: there was a small group of Republicans walking side by side, step by step, making sure it was 100 feet away.


Probably practicing their goose-stepping.

j/k
 
2012-11-04 08:17:30 AM
www.texasfred.net

United Nations-affiliated Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe will deploy election monitors from Europe and central Asia to polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups, a concern raised by civil rights groups during a meeting this week, according to a report on Saturday.

The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), among other groups, warned this month in a letter to Daan Everts, a senior official with OSCE, of "a coordinated political effort to disenfranchise millions of Americans - particularly traditionally disenfranchised groups like minorities."
 
2012-11-04 08:18:03 AM

liam76: cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.

Bush dropped the criminal case.

Holder, in the civil case, allowed them to get away with a warning that basically said next time don't break the law.

The lack of pictures makes me think this is BS, but those clowns shouldn't have gotten away without punishment.


"No complaints were filed by voters about the incident, although poll watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members."

You need quite a bit of evidence to convict these days, and there basically wasn't any besides the internet video, and things from the internet are basically meaningless to the courts because...well I don't know why and it's stupid.

But there ya go.

Not knowing the details (because fark Townhall) I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is indeed illegal and should be punished. So are the metric farkton of voter suppression attempts by the Republicans.

Feel free to explain to me why both will be completely ignored by the FEC.
 
2012-11-04 08:18:32 AM

mrshowrules: propasaurus: Oh noes! NAACP members were wearing NAACP labeled clothing!

Worse that that, they didn't hide the fact that they were black.


Exactly, there is no honest way to read that "article" and not understand it as (horrified scream) "Uppity black people dare to participate in our political process! OMG! We must take our country back right now!"
 
2012-11-04 08:30:08 AM
Subby, you got me to click the link with false promises of vote swaying. Instead what happened is that NAACP people showed up and gave out water. They can talk to each other about who they plan to vote for. You are an idiot.

BTW, at least in Wisconsin, I work the polls. I usually am in charge of registration of new voters. In that instance, once a new voter and I complete their paperwork, I walk them over to the pollworker who is working the poll book and I go ahead of everyone else in line. We do that all the time with new voters.

You suck subby. Not in a good way (like a $2 whore).
 
2012-11-04 08:31:45 AM
I'm not a Republican, but am the type of liberal that shares in common with them the trait of constant pants-wetting fear and reflexive outrage and was unmanned and dismayed upon voting in the local church and seeing the walls muraled in a childish rendition of the Noah's Ark story which I felt was an extremely provocative, underhanded but aggressive promotion of the GOP. Caused an instant anxiety attack which left me physically incapable of voting for my preferred candidate. So don't pretend like Republicans aren't guilty of voter intimidation tactics.
 
2012-11-04 08:34:13 AM

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: charges dropped by Eric Holder?


People actually do this? Just go on the internet and lie?
 
2012-11-04 08:46:04 AM
Wearing NAACP clothing and caps isn't advocating for a candidate or political party,has anyone pointed that out?
 
2012-11-04 08:46:11 AM
cdn.uproxx.com
 
2012-11-04 08:47:07 AM
Basically there are three things that the article is saying that the NAACP people are doing:

1) Wearing NAACP shirts.
2) Talking about flying people to Ohio to vote.
3) Handing out water
4) Talking about Obama (no specifics)
5) Moving people in front of the line.

Frankly I agree that this is a (very) mild violation of the law, and I don't understand why they didn't just call the police and have them removed. Saying that, if I was voting in that location I would be PISSED if they started cutting people in line. It seems to me that activity would cost Obama votes and the other stuff really wouldn't help Obama.
 
2012-11-04 08:47:41 AM

NewportBarGuy:


WOW goddammitsomuch you owe me a new keyboard!

/I actually choked on the water I was drinking. That's funny!
 
2012-11-04 08:51:30 AM
The UN election watcher gave them a stern warning then did nothing.
 
2012-11-04 08:53:03 AM

LucklessWonder: [cdn.uproxx.com image 624x412]


Ha,ha. Last night one of my kids sat in the floor to carefully explain to our dogs that Romney straps dogs to the roof of his car, but Obama loves his dog. I love when they have conversations with the dogs. I hope they don't outgrow that any time soon.
 
2012-11-04 08:55:04 AM

Mr. Breeze: ginandbacon: Handing out refreshments is not a violation of the restrictions for campaigning at the polls. Neither is talking about how you would vote or whom you support. .

How about moving your supporters to the front of the line?


People are routinely moved to the front of the line for various reasons. I just came from a meeting on Friday (for pollworkers) and one of the things we discussed is moving people with walkers to the front of the line. Also, like I mentioned earlier, when I register a new voter, I take the new voter and butt in front of the line and they get to go because they were in line earlier and had to get out of line to vote. So yeah, there's that.
 
2012-11-04 08:55:29 AM

Aldon: Basically there are three things that the article is saying that the NAACP people are doing:

1) Wearing NAACP shirts.
2) Talking about flying people to Ohio to vote.
3) Handing out water
4) Talking about Obama (no specifics)
5) Moving people in front of the line.

Frankly I agree that this is a (very) mild violation of the law, and I don't understand why they didn't just call the police and have them removed. Saying that, if I was voting in that location I would be PISSED if they started cutting people in line. It seems to me that activity would cost Obama votes and the other stuff really wouldn't help Obama.


Someone up thread noted that sometimes the very elderly and the handicapped are moved to the front of the line. The poster speculated that this is actually what happened. I really don't think you would be pissed if an 88 year old woman leaning on a walker were moved to the front of the line.
 
2012-11-04 09:01:52 AM

Jackson Herring: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: charges dropped by Eric Holder?

People actually do this? Just go on the internet and lie?


As a millionaire cowboy astronaut, I'm outraged by this.
 
2012-11-04 09:01:53 AM

kimwim: US Law, 100 yards? In Connecticut it's 75 feet. Sorry subby, fail.


Yeah, mega-subby fail. Here in NC it's nowhere near 100 yards either. More like 75-100' from the entrance to the polling station.
 
2012-11-04 09:02:30 AM

TheBigJerk: liam76: cameroncrazy1984: Carlip: are these the same folks from the black panthers that were standing outside polls with clubs during the 2008 elections that got their charges dropped by Eric Holder?

Considering the charges were dropped by the Bush Admin, no.

Bush dropped the criminal case.

Holder, in the civil case, allowed them to get away with a warning that basically said next time don't break the law.

The lack of pictures makes me think this is BS, but those clowns shouldn't have gotten away without punishment.

"No complaints were filed by voters about the incident, although poll watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members."

You need quite a bit of evidence to convict these days, and there basically wasn't any besides the internet video, and things from the internet are basically meaningless to the courts because...well I don't know why and it's stupid.


To convict in a criminal case, yes. In the civil case the state won and went after no real damages.


TheBigJerk: Not knowing the details (because fark Townhall) I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is indeed illegal and should be punished. So are the metric farkton of voter suppression attempts by the Republicans.




Smells like BS to me. If what this person is complaining of is true they would have names and photos.


Feel free to explain to me why both will be completely ignored by the FEC

No idea.
 
2012-11-04 09:05:29 AM

PanicMan: Jackson Herring: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: charges dropped by Eric Holder?

People actually do this? Just go on the internet and lie?

As a millionaire cowboy astronaut, I'm outraged by this.


My mircopenis and I completely agree
 
2012-11-04 09:13:02 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Sorry, subby. In Virginia, the boundary is 40 feet from any entrance to a polling place.

I used to vote at a school where people would stand just outside the legal boundary handing out party "voting guides." They would hand one of these to you, you would walk into the school and immediately an election volunteer would start yelling at you because you're not supposed to have the campaign literature in public view. It was literally 10 seconds between the time it was handed to you and the time you got chewed out for having it in your hand.

God Bless Democracy.


I got a lefty one in the mail for the first time ever. Apparently I wasn't the only one to notice the advent of local voter guides: other election judges mentioned it, too, and how they didn't understand the effort when we'd have to tell people to put them away anyways.
 
2012-11-04 09:16:21 AM

stpickrell: Fark Me To Tears: Sorry, subby. In Virginia, the boundary is 40 feet from any entrance to a polling place.

I used to vote at a school where people would stand just outside the legal boundary handing out party "voting guides." They would hand one of these to you, you would walk into the school and immediately an election volunteer would start yelling at you because you're not supposed to have the campaign literature in public view. It was literally 10 seconds between the time it was handed to you and the time you got chewed out for having it in your hand.

God Bless Democracy.

I'm an election officer in VA. Voters are allowed to wear/carry whatever election-related things they darn well want. They're not allowed to talk to other voters, the election officers, or the partisan observers about politics (*), although "Hey, how's your son doing" would be ok. But you're certainly allowed to carry the sample ballots in your hand.

Jokes are sort of ok. Joking about voting often, or about the paper ballot machine being a shredder. is nowhere in the same league as joking about having a bomb while at the airport, for example.

(*) especially the partisan observers, they're not allowed to start up conversations.

Remember folks, 90% of the stuff is volunteers and/or people making a cool $50-$150 a day for this. Throw in thousands of lawyers, vigilantes, etc., and it's amazing our elections proceed as well as they do.


In CO we have to make people in political shirts cover them or turn them inside out. Only happens like once a day (75% mail-in voters), but it does kinda make me feel like a teacher enforcing a dress code when it does.
 
2012-11-04 09:16:33 AM
I don't think its 100 yards.

But it's definitely not suppose to be inside the polling place.
 
2012-11-04 09:20:35 AM
Oh, but even here on CO, I wouldn't consider a NAACP shirt automatically political. If even one person complained, I'd ask them to cover it, though.
 
2012-11-04 09:21:00 AM
Why do they think the NAACPs were for Obama? All the good things that have ever happened to the NAACPs have been done by republicans. Only an ignorant NAACP would vote democrat.
 
2012-11-04 09:22:27 AM

Jackson Herring: PanicMan: Jackson Herring: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: charges dropped by Eric Holder?

People actually do this? Just go on the internet and lie?

As a millionaire cowboy astronaut, I'm outraged by this.

My mircopenis and I completely agree


I asked around here at NASA and we all agree it's perfectly normal and you have nothing to be ashamed of. Also, stop sending us pictures.
 
2012-11-04 09:23:03 AM
It is okay when the democrats do it.
Haven't you learned that yet?
 
2012-11-04 09:24:55 AM

jonnnney: Do republicans really not know what google is? Here is a map of the Montgomery county, the county Houston TX is in (snip)


Someone who can't use Google well enough to figure out the correct county is complaining that someone else can't use Google?
 
2012-11-04 09:25:27 AM
I got the local Tea Party screed on an upcoming mil tax levy increase in the mail Friday. They love outsourcing public services like police and fire.They also want to micromanage the benefits of approximately 15 employees. Sorry baggers, You're Norquist agenda is not welcome and needs to go. Also, I got a free bottle of water with a Tea Party label. I guess they're ok with spending money on shilling for their cause.
 
2012-11-04 09:25:41 AM
If I was wearing a shirt that said "Ban Ignorance" would I be electioneering against any specific party or candidate? Please commence the discussion.
 
2012-11-04 09:28:28 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: During the last election in Virginia, some guy had painted a facsimile of the "hope" poster on a huge plywood sign and stuck it to the side of his van. He parked it on the outer edges of the parking lot. I got there early, and the funniest thing was this: there was a small group of Republicans walking side by side, step by step, making sure it was 100 feet away. When I left the polls (they were pretty busy), they were doing it again.

The funniest part: the van was probably something like 250 feet away.


Heh. Our county clerk orders a 100' roll of surveyor's marking tape for every polling place. No need to pace anything out when hanging the signs, and you can quickly settle disputes all day.
 
2012-11-04 09:33:57 AM
Just checked: 25 Feet from the door in my state. My polling place is a church, and there are always at least a dozen folks milling around trying to get their last minute campaigning in. I just smile and walk past them.

Also, I have nothing but respect for the poll workers. I guess once you get a few years on you, they stop looking like "blue haired old biatches".

As an aside: If I make it long enough, I am hoping to become a "blue haired old biatch" myself. Baby blue, with bright pink ends.
 
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