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2012-11-03 06:10:28 PM  
Filling out that form is a "burden"?
 
2012-11-03 06:29:27 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Filling out that form is a "burden"?


Three days before an election? And imposed by a Tea Party Sec State who has a history of pushing voter suppression efforts? And in the most crucial swing state whom many believe was given to the Republicans in 2004 through fraud? Yeah, I don't get the big deal either.
 
2012-11-03 06:29:50 PM  
There's no point in acting all surprised about it. I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that's your own regard
 
2012-11-03 06:39:08 PM  
That's what you get when your Secretary of State is a Vogon. 

Be thankful they aren't protected by an Improbability Drive, but just a Somebody Else's Problem field.
 
2012-11-03 06:39:33 PM  
Yeah, Republicans are really allowing a free and fair election in Ohio.
 
2012-11-03 06:48:15 PM  
Link

I cannot recommend this documentary enough. Airing on PBS.
 
2012-11-03 07:03:13 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Filling out that form is a "burden"?


The form is a burden only if not used when employed during a period of three business calendar days preceding the second Tuesday in ... you get the idea.

I spend a fair amount of my week reviewing contracts for a very large company. This document was written with a lot of effort to ensure most people of reasonable intelligence and literacy skills would not be able to agree on how to fill it out.

Pretty f**king evil, honestly.
 
2012-11-03 07:06:26 PM  
This guy needs to be put in jail, them prison.
 
2012-11-03 07:13:44 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Filling out that form is a "burden"?


It is, by definition, a burden. It's an additional thing you need to do in order to get your vote counted.
 
2012-11-03 07:37:13 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link

I cannot recommend this documentary enough. Airing on PBS.


Yep. It's a disease 1:54
 
2012-11-03 07:44:12 PM  

bronyaur1: This guy needs to be put in jail, them prison coffin.

Coffin like cell.
What did you THINK I meant?

No really, why hasnt the judge thrown him in a cell for contempt yet?
Hold him for 20 days under some patriot act terrorism charge thingy.

FFS, this is the kind of guy who could really push someone like Dexter over the edge.
It is one thing to be a cheating asshole, but once the judges get involved ....

sigh

WHY are our elections still controlled by elected or appointed officials?
Do we need a 4th branch of government?
I really hate that we are so bad at this.
 
2012-11-03 07:47:12 PM  

namatad: Do we need a 4th branch of government?


SMALL GOVERNMENT
FIX OLD NO NEW
DEEERRRRRRRP
 
2012-11-03 07:50:31 PM  

namatad: FFS, this is the kind of guy who could really push someone like Dexter over the edge.


Indeed. The problem is, what do you do if the system doesn't take care of someone like this? Do we really need to resort to a "lone wolf", all Dexter-style? Has it really come to this?

:/

Not that I'm advocating anything like that....
 
2012-11-03 08:10:20 PM  
I know reading is not exactly something Rapepublicans brag about, but come on, it's right there in TFA:

Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6)
provides that, once a voter casting a provisional ballot proffers identification, "the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot . . . ." (Emphasis added.) 

You guys can say whatever you want I suppose, but this is a change in the law mid-election. What about people who are illiterate? The burden of proof is on the SoS to show why this change is necessary.
 
2012-11-03 08:10:34 PM  
Apathetic bloody voters, I've got no sympathy at all.

/terrible ghastly noise
//terrible ghastly silence
 
2012-11-03 08:11:08 PM  
Why are republicans so afraid of the will of the electorate?
 
2012-11-03 08:14:07 PM  

xanadian: namatad: FFS, this is the kind of guy who could really push someone like Dexter over the edge.

Indeed. The problem is, what do you do if the system doesn't take care of someone like this? Do we really need to resort to a "lone wolf", all Dexter-style? Has it really come to this?
:/
Not that I'm advocating anything like that....


It is a bit worrisome for a democracy if you can not trust the elections. You would THINK that after 2000, we would have done something. Or after Ohio 2004, we would have at least looked closer at Ohio. And the recent court rulings have pretty much proven that Ohio is farking out of control.

And yet, the only thing preventing these guys from going full-rape, are judges and groups fighting to bring cases in front of judges. Why are we spending time, effort and money to fight to keep the right to vote?

sigh
 
2012-11-03 08:14:11 PM  
The Republicans must be pretty Goddamn confident that they can fix every election ever, because with crap like this being pretty much their MO for the entire election, I can't be the only one who would only ever consider voting Republican once every current member of the party is dead and buried in salted earth.

/and then only if I was drunk, stoned and lobotomized
 
2012-11-03 08:14:48 PM  
Too little. Too late.
 
2012-11-03 08:15:12 PM  
I love it. Keep on keeping on, you Republican farks. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how much of a sham, joke and farce electoral politics are. Undermining faith in the system that protects you and keeps you in power is a good long-term plan.
 
2012-11-03 08:16:01 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I know reading is not exactly something Rapepublicans brag about, but come on, it's right there in TFA:

Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6) provides that, once a voter casting a provisional ballot proffers identification, "the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot . . . ." (Emphasis added.) 

You guys can say whatever you want I suppose, but this is a change in the law mid-election. What about people who are illiterate? The burden of proof is on the SoS to show why this change is necessary.


AND yet, the average Rape-American is alright with this kind of shiat, because it wont effect them.


dookdookdook: Why are republicans so afraid of the will of the electorate?


Rape-Americans are still upset that the darkie and the women-folk got the vote. Now the GAYS are allowed to vote too?
That has got to stop!!
 
2012-11-03 08:19:02 PM  
I doubt it's as easy as checking a blindingly obvious checkbox. Provisional ballot envelopes are more often than not designed for easy invalidation.
 
2012-11-03 08:19:16 PM  

dookdookdook: Why are republicans so afraid of the will of the electorate?


Both sides know what is best for you.


The difference is that liberals want you to drink smaller sodas and breath clean air.

Conservatives want to define your morality and concentrate wealth and power in those that 'deserve' it.
 
2012-11-03 08:19:33 PM  
If Obama wins Virginia (which is likely right now) this is all for naught. I'm more than happy with Obama winning Tuesday 285-235 (or 276-244 if Colorado acts up) with the rest of November's news being dedicated to how Republican officials tried to steal an election...and failed.
 
2012-11-03 08:20:34 PM  

GAT_00: Yeah, Republicans are really allowing a free and fair election in Ohio.


"Free and fair election?

oh I'm sorry, wow, lol, my bad. actually this is kinda funny....

see, I thought they said it was supposed to be a Free-for-all election.

Ok, yeah, in retrospect I can see how this might look bad in that case. Well, water over the damn! We'll do better next time."

-Jon Husted
 
2012-11-03 08:23:24 PM  
Hopefully, Ohio will be a forgone conclusion before November 17th.
 
2012-11-03 08:23:41 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link

I cannot recommend this documentary enough. Airing on PBS.


Umm...ya "PBS" is just liberal propaganda and lefty socialist indoctrination.
 
2012-11-03 08:23:46 PM  

dookdookdook: Why are republicans so afraid of the will of the electorate?


Since I don't recognize your Fark log in, I will answer:

The Republican party is not a monolith. It is four voting blocks. Here's is what the GOP is:

The trickle down folks as Romney. The old white bigots. The Religious right wing. And the Tea Party small government folks.

Nothing Romney says can appeal to all of them. So, all the GOP has left to help the rich is rigging the election.
 
2012-11-03 08:24:11 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Filling out that form is a "burden"?


Who's a tedious troll?

You are!
 
2012-11-03 08:25:57 PM  

The Great EZE: If Obama wins Virginia (which is likely right now) this is all for naught. I'm more than happy with Obama winning Tuesday 285-235 (or 276-244 if Colorado acts up) with the rest of November's news being dedicated to how Republican officials tried to steal an election...and failed.


I would also be okay with this.

In one of the other threads up today, somebody said he'd like Obama to win the electoral vote handily, lose Ohio, and call for a recount in Ohio anyway. I'd be okay with that, too.

/also, I want Obama to win Florida
//voted for him earlier this week
///didn't vote straight ticket Democrat, specifically to reduce the chances of my ballot being "accidentally" lost
 
2012-11-03 08:29:00 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Umm...ya "PBS" is just liberal propaganda and lefty socialist indoctrination.


Well there is that.
 
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2012-11-03 08:29:25 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Dusk-You-n-Me: Link

I cannot recommend this documentary enough. Airing on PBS.

Umm...ya "PBS" is just liberal propaganda and lefty socialist indoctrination.


Poe's Law?
 
2012-11-03 08:31:04 PM  
The absentee voter form I filled out here in Ohio asks for my DL number or last four of SSN, so that part I'm OK with, but Husted implementing this 3 days before voting ends when early voting has been going on for 34 days is wrong.

When I went to the Board of Elections (in Ohio, early voting is considered absentree), they didn't ask to actually see my ID. If I would have gone to my polling place on Election Day, I would have to show my ID.

It also appears he's violating state law by requiring the voter, not the election official, to record the form ID used.

I hope the court smacks this down and kicks Husted in the nuts for even trying.
 
2012-11-03 08:31:12 PM  
Given the Ohio Secretary of State's recent behavior, I am surprised they aren't waiting until Wednesday to make these available.

And GOPers wonder why they catch so much shiat about their activities? Well here is yet another reason.

Don't worry if you missed it though, I am sure there will be something new tomorrow.
 
2012-11-03 08:38:54 PM  
So, the issue is that the voter records which form of ID used rather than a poll worker in the event that the voter did not fill in the last 4 digits of their SSN or OH State Driver's License?
 
2012-11-03 08:44:33 PM  

dustman81: I hope the court smacks this down and kicks Husted in the nuts for even trying.


If the judge was appointed by this Governor, there's no chance of that.
 
2012-11-03 08:48:17 PM  
Lemme guess... "Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted" is a Republican who has had this conversation with Romney any company:

Husted: "I might be able rig things to deliver Ohio"

Romney Camp: "That would be awesome"

H: "It's gonna cost. I want Secretary of State"

RC: "OK"
 
2012-11-03 08:48:20 PM  

skullkrusher: So, the issue is that the voter records which form of ID used rather than a poll worker in the event that the voter did not fill in the last 4 digits of their SSN or OH State Driver's License?


No, the issue is that the Ohio Secretary of State made a ruling that is contrary to Ohio law four days before the election. His ruling could have the effect of throwing out thousands of votes because the voters and election officials followed the law.

/Ohioan
 
2012-11-03 08:49:55 PM  

dofus: Lemme guess... "Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted" is a Republican who has had this conversation with Romney any company:

Husted: "I might be able rig things to deliver Ohio"

Romney Camp: "That would be awesome"

H: "It's gonna cost. I want Secretary of State"

RC: "OK"


and here's how we'll do it: by disenfranchising the too-stupid-to-check-a-box demographic, historically a solidly Democratic voting bloc
 
2012-11-03 08:51:42 PM  

L Ron Hubbard's Last Fart: skullkrusher: So, the issue is that the voter records which form of ID used rather than a poll worker in the event that the voter did not fill in the last 4 digits of their SSN or OH State Driver's License?

No, the issue is that the Ohio Secretary of State made a ruling that is contrary to Ohio law four days before the election. His ruling could have the effect of throwing out thousands of votes because the voters and election officials followed the law.

/Ohioan


isn't this form new to the directive? How will it impact previously cast votes?
 
2012-11-03 08:53:34 PM  

skullkrusher: isn't this form new to the directive? How will it impact previously cast votes?


Who said it will cast previously cast votes? Nothing in his post indicated that.
 
2012-11-03 08:54:26 PM  
IANAL, but I think that once specific, individual victims who could be proven to have been denied the vote were found, the Ohio Sec'y of State could be brought up on federal charges of violating their civil rights. That's a few years in federal prison. It needs to happen.
 
2012-11-03 08:55:23 PM  

dustman81:

I hope the court smacks this down and kicks Husted in the nuts for even trying.


I would vote for whoever promised to make this a penalty in the federal courts for guys like this, as well as bank execs that cook the books, and douchebags in general.
 
2012-11-03 08:58:21 PM  

skullkrusher: L Ron Hubbard's Last Fart: skullkrusher: So, the issue is that the voter records which form of ID used rather than a poll worker in the event that the voter did not fill in the last 4 digits of their SSN or OH State Driver's License?

No, the issue is that the Ohio Secretary of State made a ruling that is contrary to Ohio law four days before the election. His ruling could have the effect of throwing out thousands of votes because the voters and election officials followed the law.

/Ohioan

isn't this form new to the directive? How will it impact previously cast votes?


This form is NOT new to the directive. Every voter who cast a provisional ballot is required to sign this form. In previous years I had cast a ballot provisionally and signed a form very much like this one.

With this new rule, any ballot that has already been cast provisionally will be rejected. With a single ruling, one person has effectively disenfranchised thousands of people. Hopefully the courts will slap down this bit of idiocy as well.
 
2012-11-03 08:58:56 PM  

DamnYankees: skullkrusher: isn't this form new to the directive? How will it impact previously cast votes?

Who said it will cast previously cast votes? Nothing in his post indicated that.


I am trying to figure out the issue here. Seriously, this is the GOP rigging the election in Ohio? By making someone check out a box on their form if and only if they chose not to fill in their last 4 digits of their SSN or their license ID? That there is going to be some confusion about checking a farking box and this confusion will have the impact of rigging the election for the GOP?
 
2012-11-03 09:01:03 PM  

L Ron Hubbard's Last Fart: This form is NOT new to the directive. Every voter who cast a provisional ballot is required to sign this form. In previous years I had cast a ballot provisionally and signed a form very much like this one.


so what is the impact of the directive then? That if a ballot is not properly filled out then the ballot will not be counted?

L Ron Hubbard's Last Fart: With this new rule, any ballot that has already been cast provisionally will be rejected


this is what you were looking for, DamnYankees? How will this rule cause all ballots that have already been cast to be rejected?
 
2012-11-03 09:02:26 PM  

The Great EZE: If Obama wins Virginia (which is likely right now) this is all for naught. I'm more than happy with Obama winning Tuesday 285-235 (or 276-244 if Colorado acts up) with the rest of November's news being dedicated to how Republican officials tried to steal an election...and failed.


It he wins, it's likely that we won't hear a whisper about the GOP's behavior at the state level, and they'll start preparing an even more insane round of voter disenfranchisement for the midterms and 2016.
 
2012-11-03 09:02:29 PM  

skullkrusher: DamnYankees: skullkrusher: isn't this form new to the directive? How will it impact previously cast votes?

Who said it will cast previously cast votes? Nothing in his post indicated that.

I am trying to figure out the issue here. Seriously, this is the GOP rigging the election in Ohio? By making someone check out a box on their form if and only if they chose not to fill in their last 4 digits of their SSN or their license ID? That there is going to be some confusion about checking a farking box and this confusion will have the impact of rigging the election for the GOP?


Think about what this is asking of voters - you need to know your social security number, and if not, you basically need ID to vote. It's an end-around on the ID requirement, because lots of people simply dont know their SS numbers.

But just in general, that's not the point. This is a pointless roadblock who's only reasonable purpose is to disenfranchise voters. Whether you think its really easy to overcome really isn't the issue - would you be ok with a law that said you can only vote if you do 5 jumping jacks first, or sign an affivadit saying you are physically unable to do so? I mean, that would be EASY to comply with, but I hope you'd agree its farking insane and the only possible reason for it is to prevent people from voting who, for whatever reason, can't comply.
 
2012-11-03 09:05:53 PM  

GAT_00: dustman81: I hope the court smacks this down and kicks Husted in the nuts for even trying.

If the judge was appointed by this Governor, there's no chance of that.


Being this an election for federal office (3 of them - President, Senate and House), this will probably go to federal court.
 
2012-11-03 09:06:58 PM  

DamnYankees: Think about what this is asking of voters - you need to know your social security number, and if not, you basically need ID to vote. It's an end-around on the ID requirement, because lots of people simply dont know their SS numbers.


who the fark doesn't know their own SSN? What end around? The only difference is who is checking the box next to the form of ID provided. The ID still needs to be shown.

DamnYankees: But just in general, that's not the point. This is a pointless roadblock who's only reasonable purpose is to disenfranchise voters.


who will this disenfranchise except people who can't check a box? I am being 100% serious here. I am really trying to understand why this is a significant issue in any way.

DamnYankees: would you be ok with a law that said you can only vote if you do 5 jumping jacks first, or sign an affivadit saying you are physically unable to do so? I mean, that would be EASY to comply with, but I hope you'd agree its farking insane and the only possible reason for it is to prevent people from voting who, for whatever reason, can't comply.


so... you really think that this language telling the person to check the box next to the form of ID provided is in some way an attempt to prevent votes from being counted?
 
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