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(Slate)   Students should no longer read Catcher in the Rye, as someone wrote a better coming of age tale that is a work of literature instead of a middle-aged white male's fantasy that comes off sounding like the Stephenie Meyer of the 60s   (slate.com) divider line 137
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2012-11-03 12:52:57 PM
My high school had us reading The Red Pony and Grapes of Wrath as coming of age tales.

I think our teachers were trying to overshadow the sunny and light optimism of the mid 70's.
 
2012-11-03 01:18:35 PM
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Titty Sprinkles.

/ I used to go on rants about how dumb this book is. Then South Park made it sooo much easier for me. A picture really is worth a thousand words. Especially with a caption that you read in Morgan Freeman's voice.
 
2012-11-03 01:21:55 PM
Shut up, Yoko.
 
2012-11-03 01:30:43 PM
Holden Caufield is a whiny little biatch who couldn't even f*ck a hooker proper.
 
2012-11-03 02:18:39 PM
So are we still going to use it to track brainwashed CIA operatives?
 
2012-11-03 02:22:03 PM
So what's been heralded as a literary classic is that poorly written, subby?

/Never read it,believe it or not.
//Don't judge me.
 
2012-11-03 02:23:10 PM
Hated that book. Holden was a pussy.
 
2012-11-03 02:26:10 PM
I thought Catcher in the Rye sucked. But I didn't read it until I was around 22, so I assume that is part of the problem. Kind of the opposite of when my school had us read The Great Gatsby at 13.

That second book really improved with a few year's perspective.
 
2012-11-03 02:28:08 PM

Apos: So what's been heralded as a literary classic is that poorly written, subby?


No, Catcher is very well-written. It's just that the main character is a colossal asshole and there's no real action or catharsis in the book. But those are the things which make it a masterpiece, and also mean that it's time to put it away, as art about nothing is nothing new today.
 
2012-11-03 02:31:14 PM
Jason Taylor, its narrator, is a sensitive young stutterer and secret poet in Thatcherite England who recounts the personal revolutions of his 13th year.

I liked him better when he was called Adrian Mole.
 
2012-11-03 02:31:43 PM
Gravity's Rainbow is my favorite coming-of-WTF tale
 
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2012-11-03 02:32:16 PM
I really detested the book. Maurice the Pimp was cool. He should have biatch slapped Holden out of his whiny reverie.

/some people call me Maurice, 'Cause I speak of the pompitous of love.
 
2012-11-03 02:46:21 PM
I always thought that Holden was clearly Bipolar. His moods were all over the map. He had poor impulse control. Showed poor judgment. Felt hopeless all the time. And was easily distracted and quick to upset. He even wound up in the hospital in the end. Wondered why teachers and kids alike kept on saying that it spoke to so many teenagers on their level.
 
2012-11-03 03:00:36 PM
Not him.
www.newsbiscuit.com 

Disappointed.
 
2012-11-03 03:05:07 PM
Macbeth/Othello/The Theban Plays
The Stone Angel
Huckleberry Finn
The Fellowship of the Ring
Away
A Separate Peace
Catcher in the Rye
In the Hands of the Living God
Dracula
Schindler's List
Baltimore's Mansion

My students have to read at least five from this list in order to write their Public Exam at the end of the school year. What would you choose?

/CITR apologist
 
2012-11-03 03:06:31 PM

mekki: I always thought that Holden was clearly Bipolar. His moods were all over the map. He had poor impulse control. Showed poor judgment. Felt hopeless all the time. And was easily distracted and quick to upset. He even wound up in the hospital in the end. Wondered why teachers and kids alike kept on saying that it spoke to so many teenagers on their level.


Probably because you just described a lot of teens.

/not disagreeing with you
 
2012-11-03 03:08:58 PM
I just didn't like it because I had a shiatty life and didn't see the point in reading about some other guy's shiatty life.
 
2012-11-03 03:14:18 PM

xpennyroyaltyx: Macbeth/Othello/The Theban Plays
*snip

My students have to read at least five from this list in order to write their Public Exam at the end of the school year. What would you choose?

/CITR apologist


Why don't these count as their own readings? I know they're plays, but is that the only reason?

/Signifying nothing.
 
2012-11-03 03:16:34 PM
Catcher in the Rye was my favorite book when I was about fourteen. It isn't anymore, of course, but it worked for me. There's no reason to hate on a book because it was aimed at teenagers. We get it, we're all older, that stuff is trifling now. At fourteen, it was new and exciting.

Daria doesn't quite hold up (in that way) either, but it's still a fun (and funny show). I still have a copy of Catcher in the Rye, and I'll read it and remember how I was when I was fourteen, maybe chuckle at myself a bit. Plus the rant about people scratching "fark you" into the walls was one of the funniest pure rants on jerks who ruin the innocence of children in all of literature.
 
2012-11-03 03:21:13 PM

xpennyroyaltyx: Macbeth/Othello/The Theban Plays
The Stone Angel
Huckleberry Finn
The Fellowship of the Ring
Away
A Separate Peace
Catcher in the Rye
In the Hands of the Living God
Dracula
Schindler's List
Baltimore's Mansion

My students have to read at least five from this list in order to write their Public Exam at the end of the school year. What would you choose?

/CITR apologist


No Paulo?
The Alchemist would be a great book for high school.
 
2012-11-03 03:22:19 PM
Stephen King's It should be required reading for all 12 year olds.
 
2012-11-03 03:25:06 PM
Never had to read Catcher for school thank god. Our male teen coming of age story was The Chocolate War, which was great because it taught us that trying to do the right thing will only get you punched in the mouth.

Eventually read Catcher and all the criticisms were correct. Holden is a one-note wimp and an archetypal loser.
 
2012-11-03 03:25:20 PM
What about Margaret Atwood? Then again, maybe not 'til college, if one can be bothered at all ...
 
2012-11-03 03:25:20 PM
Good God, I guess my high school literature teacher would have been considered a witch these days. She made us read, in this order: The Jungle; Lord of the Flies; and Animal Farm. Mind you this was at a small school in southern Arkansas, but I'm from a prior generation where the parents were not sending their kids to school to learn the same crap they were learning in church. These days between those books and the fact that she was a happily co-habitated lesbian, she has been removed from the school and replaced with some one "more in line with our school's values." Last I heard she was still teaching in Arkansas though, but in the more radically leftist Hot Springs school district. The children at my alma mater were robbed in losing her!
 
2012-11-03 03:25:46 PM

whistleridge: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 425x340]

Titty Sprinkles.

/ I used to go on rants about how dumb this book is. Then South Park made it sooo much easier for me. A picture really is worth a thousand words. Especially with a caption that you read in Morgan Freeman's voice.


1,000X This. and i've learned more from episodes of South Park than I did in college. when watching South Park episodes becomes part of the required curriculum for school children we will have reached the dawn of a new and bold day for education in America, hallejuah!

mekki: I always thought that Holden was clearly Bipolar. His moods were all over the map. He had poor impulse control. Showed poor judgment. Felt hopeless all the time. And was easily distracted and quick to upset. He even wound up in the hospital in the end. Wondered why teachers and kids alike kept on saying that it spoke to so many teenagers on their level.


And you're qualified on the subject, or another Online Psychiatrist sharing an uneducated opinion? The DBS is spot-on and more polite than I.
 
2012-11-03 03:26:48 PM

BattleFrenchie28: Why don't these count as their own readings? I know they're plays, but is that the only reason?


The curriculum and the exam specify that 12 grade students read ONE long dramatic work and four novels. I usually teach one Shakespeare play each year and sneak in Antigone. We also do Oedipus in 11th grade, so they have another option to choose from for their Public.
 
2012-11-03 03:27:20 PM
Fight Club?
 
2012-11-03 03:29:34 PM
Is this the thread where whiny biatches whine and biatch about Holden Caulfield being a whiny biatch?


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/your book sucks
 
2012-11-03 03:31:03 PM

Richard Freckle: No Paulo?
The Alchemist would be a great book for high school.


I wish. This is the same list (give or take) that I had to choose from when I was a student 10 years ago. Thankfully, they removed Robinson Crusoe from the list.
 
2012-11-03 03:34:55 PM

Teresaol31: Good God, I guess my high school literature teacher would have been considered a witch these days. She made us read, in this order: The Jungle; Lord of the Flies; and Animal Farm. Mind you this was at a small school in southern Arkansas, but I'm from a prior generation where the parents were not sending their kids to school to learn the same crap they were learning in church. . .


See, it's funny. We do Lord of the Flies in 11th grade, and it's hands down the most popular book among my high school students. It's one of the few books where the majority of kids will read for homework it when it's assigned and will often read ahead. I think Animal Farm is lost on kids these days, though it was one of my favourites in high school. I've never been able to make it work very well.
 
2012-11-03 03:59:13 PM

xpennyroyaltyx: Teresaol31: Good God, I guess my high school literature teacher would have been considered a witch these days. She made us read, in this order: The Jungle; Lord of the Flies; and Animal Farm. Mind you this was at a small school in southern Arkansas, but I'm from a prior generation where the parents were not sending their kids to school to learn the same crap they were learning in church. . .

See, it's funny. We do Lord of the Flies in 11th grade, and it's hands down the most popular book among my high school students. It's one of the few books where the majority of kids will read for homework it when it's assigned and will often read ahead. I think Animal Farm is lost on kids these days, though it was one of my favourites in high school. I've never been able to make it work very well.




we read Lord of the Flies in 7th grade I think... In retrospect, it's a fairly dark book for middle schoolers, but it's not a difficult read for that age.


though on the subject of Animal Farm, it was funny watching 2 guys doing a report on Animal Farm my senior year and them being completely oblivious to the obvious allegories/metaphors in the book.
 
2012-11-03 04:01:41 PM

KrispyKritter: whistleridge: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 425x340]

Titty Sprinkles.

/ I used to go on rants about how dumb this book is. Then South Park made it sooo much easier for me. A picture really is worth a thousand words. Especially with a caption that you read in Morgan Freeman's voice.

1,000X This. and i've learned more from episodes of South Park than I did in college. when watching South Park episodes becomes part of the required curriculum for school children we will have reached the dawn of a new and bold day for education in America, hallejuah!

mekki: I always thought that Holden was clearly Bipolar. His moods were all over the map. He had poor impulse control. Showed poor judgment. Felt hopeless all the time. And was easily distracted and quick to upset. He even wound up in the hospital in the end. Wondered why teachers and kids alike kept on saying that it spoke to so many teenagers on their level.

And you're qualified on the subject, or another Online Psychiatrist sharing an uneducated opinion? The DBS is spot-on and more polite than I.


Wow, who peed in your cornflakes? Or were you one of those teenagers who was, "Oh, Holden is so like me! He speaks to me in ways no other character has ever done?"
 
2012-11-03 04:15:01 PM
i3.squidoocdn.com
 
2012-11-03 04:26:44 PM
I love it when people reveal that they "learned things from South Park". As if that's some sort of ivy league education they have attained from a half hour cartoon. " I know all about Scientology; I know all about Mormonism because I watched South park.". When people say poop like that I can dismiss them as idiots. South park is funny, but please stop using it as a point of reference
 
2012-11-03 04:31:15 PM
When my friend went to college he made sure to bring ten copies of Catcher in the Rye with him, just to freak out his roommate. It worked.
 
2012-11-03 04:33:05 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Holden Caufield is a whiny little biatch who couldn't even f*ck a hooker proper.


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2012-11-03 04:33:29 PM
Students should no longer read Catcher in the Rye, as someone wrote a better coming of age tale that is a work of literature instead of a middle-aged white male's fantasy that comes off sounding like the Stephenie Meyer of the 60s

"Those are not categories that I would use to evaluate a writer, nor would I trust anyone who judged a writer by the color of their skin, let alone their gender."
 
2012-11-03 04:46:18 PM
I'm fortunate I never had to read this in school or any of the typical high school type "boring" reads like catcher in the Rye, Tale of Two Cities, Grapes of Wrath, or Wuthering Heights in my level of literature classes. My teachers took a much more modern perspective on forcing kids to read morality / coming of age tales and only the dumb kids who could barely read anyway had to read that crap. We basically read soft-core porn, bawdy comedy, and sensationalism and our teachers justified it as we were "further along in emotional and intellectual development and can handle more advanced concepts".

I never had a book assigned that I dreaded reading. Though, to be fair, I've picked up many of these books later and quickly saw why the teachers wanted nothing to do with them. They may be classics, but they're crap. Especially Catcher in the Rye. My teenage self, given the choice between Catcher in the Rye and Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead or "selected passages" from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, would proudly side with the likes of Douglas Adams.


TL;DR: Forcing kids to read doesn't have to hurt, that concept needs to be stripped from high school literature.
 
2012-11-03 04:52:04 PM

gadian: We basically read soft-core porn, bawdy comedy, and sensationalism and our teachers justified it as we were "further along in emotional and intellectual development and can handle more advanced concepts".



So.... Shakespeare?
 
2012-11-03 04:59:58 PM

goganbunch: I love it when people reveal that they "learned things from South Park". As if that's some sort of ivy league education they have attained from a half hour cartoon. " I know all about Scientology; I know all about Mormonism because I watched South park.". When people say poop like that I can dismiss them as idiots. South park is funny, but please stop using it as a point of reference




I want to agree with you, but this is preventing me from doing so.


/I generally like South Park, but I think their Satire episodes are generally terrible.
 
2012-11-03 05:08:51 PM

xpennyroyaltyx: Macbeth/Othello/The Theban Plays
The Stone Angel
Huckleberry Finn
The Fellowship of the Ring
Away
A Separate Peace
Catcher in the Rye

In the Hands of the Living God
Dracula
Schindler's List
Baltimore's Mansion

My students have to read at least five from this list in order to write their Public Exam at the end of the school year. What would you choose?

/CITR apologist


I'd probably choose the five bolded above. But I have to say, I was more moved by A Separate Peace and The Chocolate War than I was by CITR.
 
2012-11-03 05:11:30 PM
JD Salenger was shiate.
 
2012-11-03 05:24:07 PM
Read it in high school, hated every minute of it, couldn't tell you a thing about, liked Hamlet better, a girl once told me I WAS Holden Caulfield.

/ Jude the Obscure sounds interesting tho.
 
2012-11-03 05:24:43 PM
I preferred the Pokemon version:

www.videogamedj.com

A wonderful classic, along with

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and

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2012-11-03 05:28:14 PM
I remember reading The Outsiders in high school.


/Read Catcher in the Rye when I was older, thought Holden was kind of douchey
 
2012-11-03 05:32:13 PM
Worst high school book I had to read: Tess of the D'urbervilles. Did they not have editors back then?
 
2012-11-03 05:33:01 PM
A suggestion for a modern addition to a fiction reading list:

Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods'.

I'm a bit biased as I have liked everything of his I've read, but this book in particular would be a great read - and a terrific jumping off point for writing/talking points on various cultures, myths, legends. ethics etc.

If we're talking a more modern feel to an older work:

Seamus Heaney's 'Beowulf: A New Translation'

I thought it was brilliant.

I'd be depressed if John Updike's Rabbit books, or John Irving's books didn't hold their attention...
 
2012-11-03 05:44:32 PM
The problem is that Catcher in the Rye is no longer was never a book for cool high school students. Catcher in the Rye is a book for cool obnoxious, self-absorbed, pretentious, high school teachers. 

Seriously, the most annoying teachers in High School were the English teachers.
 
2012-11-03 05:50:39 PM
listen, if that Morman Monster gets in the whitehouse, I'm going to be handing out copies of the book to every psycho with a boiled lobe or two...

I have a box ready to go...
 
2012-11-03 05:51:09 PM
It's forcing kids to read books like this that turn them off reading for their entire lives.

First , teach them that reading can be fun.
 
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