UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
Ghastly: When I was a guest at a comic/sci-fi/anime convention I met a NASA scientist who had to be one of the scariest, craziest, wackiest, guys I've ever met and he took a huge liking to me. It was one of those situations where you start off talking about the science and he's interesting as all hell and then somewhere along the way the conversation takes a turn and suddenly it's about secret militias in the desert planning to blow up the Whitehouse with home made artillery cannons and government conspiracies to chemically manipulate the masses with engineered super viruses and then all of a sudden you realize this brilliant scientist you were talking with about solar microwave energy satellites is in fact stark raving bonkers mad.And then you try to divorce yourself from the conversation... but he doesn't stop. He's still following you, still spouting madness you don't want to hear, because he imagines some kindred spirit in you, some special bond that the two of you will ride out the coming apocalypse together, shot guns in hand while you cleanse the burning earth with a spray of hot lead. You try to explain that you have a panel on tentacle porn to host as you make your way out of the green room and into the convention hall but he just keeps following you, trying to give you a list of websites you should read with a desperate urgency fuelled by his growing mania. You accept his quickly scribbled list of websites with a weak smile and a nod hoping that things will end there, but they don't. He doesn't stop. The normal social cues that let one know that a conversation is over are completely lost to him.Yeah, NASA... lots of brilliant crazy people there.
UNC_Samurai: Ed Grubermann: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?God always seems to get a special rule.Einstein would turn in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.
Clock Spider Jerusalem: So what happens when we find out some aliens were messing with our DNA along the way?
phalamir: God hasn't been proven to exist, or been predicted by a theory grounded in proven principles. Therefore you can no more use him to discuss the physical universe than you can use owlbears to discuss DNA. Science does not allow for pulling unfalsifiable shiat out of your ass.In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible
born_yesterday: kroonermanblack: justtray: So that's what Bevets used to do. Makes perfect sense.Does Bevets even exist any more? Or was he slapped down for being little more than a rage-bot-troll to induce people to click on his links, directing them to his home page, and generating ad revenue for himself?You say that as if it would be disapproved of.
kroonermanblack: justtray: So that's what Bevets used to do. Makes perfect sense.Does Bevets even exist any more? Or was he slapped down for being little more than a rage-bot-troll to induce people to click on his links, directing them to his home page, and generating ad revenue for himself?
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