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(ABC)   "Intelligent design" scientist sues NASA for wrongful termination. Judge: He was let go because he was combative and did not keep his skills sharp. Obvious: See first two words of this headline   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 121
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2012-11-04 02:14:55 AM  

pciszek: Marine1: How'd he get through life not branching out?

Sounds like he did somewhat, if he was working as an electrician. Not necessarily a bad profession for someone who used to work with old IBM systems.


A good friend's father was one of those assembly programmers who made it to retirement before the systems were eliminated. He never got a college degree: IBM took him straight out of the Air Force and trained him. That age is gone, but the person in question might have fallen back on skills he picked up before being a programmer.

And electricians don't make a half bad wage, either. I know several that are making more than programmers, in fact. They do have shiattier hours though.
 
2012-11-04 02:16:53 AM  

whatshisname: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I still don't get why Christians don't just say that God designed life to evolve.

They do. See "Intelligent Design"


No, that's not what Intelligent Design theorists usually say. They do believe that there have been multiple instances of divine meddling beyond the initial creation events and that not all species are descended from an ultimate common ancestor.
 
2012-11-04 02:19:59 AM  
People like that are like high functioning autistic people. They can do things, interact mostly, but at any moment they are going to forcefully engage you in a discussion about spider-man, the color of their socks, or whatever their particular hangup is.

A lot of crusaders are that way. Most people learn to mature and be flexible, but some don't and eventually, everyone gets tired of their BS.
 
2012-11-04 02:24:33 AM  

whatshisname: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I still don't get why Christians don't just say that God designed life to evolve.

They do. See "Intelligent Design"


I have an idea: if the creationists want to call creationism "intelligent design", why don't we just start referring to evolution as "more intelligent design" and insist on evolution being a proof of the existence of god.

That way, whenever one of these jesus-crispies starts objecting about how something can't be evolution and had to be the work of an "intelligent designer', we just argue back that it is both evolution and the work of an intelligent designer: one apparently much more intelligent than the objector. At that point, any additional objections would functionally be an assertion that god couldn't have done it through evolution, which would be placing limits on god, and therefore, blasphemy.
 
2012-11-04 02:50:31 AM  
This one has always been my personal favorite;

"We have never sought to become a monopoly. Our products are simply so good that no one feels the need to compete with us."

I miss that game, I should reinstall it. The quotes are so epic and timeless.
 
2012-11-04 03:45:14 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I still don't get why Christians don't just say that God designed life to evolve.


My mom does.

My mom is a very quietly devout person. She is also rather intelligent. She has her Bachelor's in biology and met my father in the geology department in college. She in no way doubts the validity of the theory of evolution, the theory of plate tectonics, or any other scientific theory.

I've heard some atheists refer to the universe as "the grand accident." I hold to that myself. My mom calls it "the grand experiment." She figures God came up with the idea for the universe, made up all the physical rules it would have to abide by, set it in motion, and is now watching to see what happens. She does not believe in an interventionist deity. She has never had any problem reconciling her religious faith with her reliance on the scientific method.

She also despises people who try to get "intelligent design" taught in science class, because she recognizes it for the attempt to force religious indoctrination into public schools that it is.
 
2012-11-04 05:48:49 AM  

phalamir: In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible


I've actually never heard this particular argument unpacked before. Well done. It's like beating Anselm of Canterbury to death with Thomas Aquinas's severed leg.

Son of Thunder: Granted, I'm just a research psychologist, but I am a PhD-holding empirical-research-publishing person who is also a believer.


Just curious, because it's not clear from your post- are you saying you believe in Intelligent Design, or just in a god of some kind?

dualplains: "God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players*, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
* ie., everybody.

- Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett Good Omens


You sound gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide.
 
2012-11-04 05:52:43 AM  

whatshisname: Haliburton Cummings: i wasn't trying to put gravity and god in the same place either. i was making an analogy.

No, you were building a straw man.


no. go cry
 
2012-11-04 05:59:38 AM  

Drunk Astronaut: Seems to me the only mistake JPL made was hiring this whackadoo in the first place.

Sadly, though, he'll become another martyr in the ID cause...


Cranks and hacks in the scientific community fall on their feet nicely these days. Look at the climate change denialists as a prime example.

Time to start knocking on doors of right-wing think tanks and pass that resume around.
 
2012-11-04 06:22:52 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: so since you understand the effects of gravity so well, explain gravity to me.


That's easy. Fgrav = G *(m1*m2 / d^2)

i want to hover three inches above my floor at parties.

Assuming you weigh 150lbs, find a tennis ball that weighs about 92.2 million pounds, and hold it 6 inches above your head.
 
2012-11-04 07:08:29 AM  

dready zim:

Wait, you mean that because the universe does not look like it was made by god that means it was made by god?


Yes, like burning down a bar to get the insurance money. If you do it right, it doesn't look like you did anything at all.
 
2012-11-04 07:12:41 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?


You know the answer, as much as I do.

i.imgur.com

/Universe: created for the lulz
 
2012-11-04 09:44:46 AM  

Ghastly: And then you try to divorce yourself from the conversation... but he doesn't stop. He's still following you, still spouting madness you don't want to hear, because he imagines some kindred spirit in you, some special bond that the two of you will ride out the coming apocalypse together


Don't put your dick in crazy.

Lachwen: I've heard some atheists refer to the universe as "the grand accident." I hold to that myself. My mom calls it "the grand experiment." She figures God came up with the idea for the universe, made up all the physical rules it would have to abide by, set it in motion, and is now watching to see what happens.


That's ridiculous. Everyone knows it was mice that came up with the idea.
 
2012-11-04 10:04:10 AM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: So what happens when we find out some aliens were messing with our DNA along the way?


cf.badassdigest.com
 
2012-11-04 12:12:27 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: raerae1980: Wait, so he was a computer specialist and not an actual scientist? Okay. I can see that. If he was an actual scientist and was preaching ID, then I'd have to wonder how he made it that far into his career. I've yet to meet a scientist who didn't believe in Evolution, although I'm sure they sadly exist.

[www.conservapedia.com image 98x108]

Art Robinson, Ph.D.

/ may be obscure outside of the Pacific Northwest...


Also, any scientist who signed "a Scientific Dissent from Evolution", who hasn't since disavowed their signature.

/If you take off all the scientists who have done so, there is a total of one biologist who has signed it sincerely: Michael Behe.
 
2012-11-04 12:20:16 PM  
i.imgur.com

How did you know, ABC News? How did you know?
 
2012-11-04 12:25:46 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: [i.imgur.com image 458x258]

How did you know, ABC News? How did you know?


GotDAM that's funny.
 
2012-11-04 12:42:08 PM  
"The Tao that can be spoken of is not the eternal Tao."

-Lao Tzu
 
2012-11-04 01:28:27 PM  
In before "Intelligent Design means what I say it does because I say so and therefore it's true."
 
2012-11-04 05:28:39 PM  

IlGreven: Forbidden Doughnut: raerae1980: Wait, so he was a computer specialist and not an actual scientist? Okay. I can see that. If he was an actual scientist and was preaching ID, then I'd have to wonder how he made it that far into his career. I've yet to meet a scientist who didn't believe in Evolution, although I'm sure they sadly exist.

[www.conservapedia.com image 98x108]

Art Robinson, Ph.D.

/ may be obscure outside of the Pacific Northwest...

Also, any scientist who signed "a Scientific Dissent from Evolution", who hasn't since disavowed their signature.

/If you take off all the scientists who have done so, there is a total of one biologist who has signed it sincerely: Michael Behe.


And he's a biochemist. Honestly, if i studied anything smaller than cells with absolutely no context, I'd be amazed and wonder how these things could have evolved by chance.

Instead I'm a quantitative geneticist and all I care about is context. Evolution is amazing
 
2012-11-04 11:27:49 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: gopher321: Of course, Einstein didn't really believe in the concept of a personal God with heaven and hell, just that there is structure to the world/universe...

Sadly, Einstein's personal beliefs also caused him to initially refute the idea of an expanding universe (which he later said was his biggest blunder), and also caused him to believe that quantum mechanics (A field he helped create) was fundamentally wrong, so the last decades of his life were spent searching for a theory of everything that didn't include QM.


At least in Einstein's case, he said that he didn't think QM was correct, and then got to work doing the math to see if he could find the mistake, working together with lots of other scientists who did think QM was correct. He didn't just declare "QM is false because I say so" and then try to stonewall the work of everyone who disagreed with him.

This guy (and most other ID proponents) is a lot more asshat and a lot less einstein.
 
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