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2012-11-03 04:13:52 PM

Marine1: How'd he get through life not branching out?


Different era. I work with people who have been programming a specific, non-standard branch of COBOL for their entire careers. They're still doing it, and starting next year, we have a project in place to replace it (with Oracle enterprise crapware, so not much of an improvement, actually). The only reason they're not actively trying to kill this project is because they're all pretty much ready to retire anyway. I find myself wondering if it took this long because the upper management was waiting for them all to be close enough to retirement age.
 
2012-11-03 04:21:17 PM

Clock Spider Jerusalem: So what happens when we find out some aliens were messing with our DNA along the way?


Go to their planet and get killed by things that most definitely are not Xenomorphs?
 
2012-11-03 04:34:28 PM
"God did it" works about as well for creationism/ID as it does as a defense in a murder trial.
 
2012-11-03 04:47:51 PM

Marine1: How'd he get through life not branching out?


Sounds like he did somewhat, if he was working as an electrician. Not necessarily a bad profession for someone who used to work with old IBM systems.
 
2012-11-03 05:10:57 PM
All you have to do is look around and see how badly whatever "intelligent designer" did at its job. Random tumors, cancers, genetic mistakes that cause extra limbs, conjoined offspring, missing limbs/eyes/organs, inbreeding creating defects, the lack of quick adaptability nearly all species have, species overspecializing to the point of extreme frailty towards changes (cheetahs, pandas, bananas, many of our domesticated grains). It reeks of either lack of knowledge and foresight, or extreme carelessness.
 
2012-11-03 05:19:18 PM

Ed Grubermann: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?

God always seems to get a special rule.


Einstein would turn in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.
 
2012-11-03 05:47:15 PM

UNC_Samurai: Ed Grubermann: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?
God always seems to get a special rule.
Einstein would turn in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.


"God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players*, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
* ie., everybody.

- Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett Good Omens
 
2012-11-03 06:16:57 PM
My state is debating gay marriage this election cycle, so we're being bombarded by ads from people claiming that being public about their anti-gay opinions got them fired. Recently I was watching one of these ads and thought to myself, "Maybe you were just crap at your job."

I always figured that if you could get fired because of a tweet, your job was pretty much hanging by a thread anyway.

My roommate is still complaining about how he lost his last job (three years ago), claiming that the boss just had it in for him. When I point out that he never got in to work on time, did things that were specifically against union rules, and was never shy about telling others what he thought of his boss, the management, and the company in general, all during a time of mass layoffs for the entire industry, he just looks blank for a moment and then goes back to insisting that his boss just had it in for him for no reason.
 
2012-11-03 06:42:24 PM
When I was a guest at a comic/sci-fi/anime convention I met a NASA scientist who had to be one of the scariest, craziest, wackiest, guys I've ever met and he took a huge liking to me. It was one of those situations where you start off talking about the science and he's interesting as all hell and then somewhere along the way the conversation takes a turn and suddenly it's about secret militias in the desert planning to blow up the Whitehouse with home made artillery cannons and government conspiracies to chemically manipulate the masses with engineered super viruses and then all of a sudden you realize this brilliant scientist you were talking with about solar microwave energy satellites is in fact stark raving bonkers mad.

And then you try to divorce yourself from the conversation... but he doesn't stop. He's still following you, still spouting madness you don't want to hear, because he imagines some kindred spirit in you, some special bond that the two of you will ride out the coming apocalypse together, shot guns in hand while you cleanse the burning earth with a spray of hot lead. You try to explain that you have a panel on tentacle porn to host as you make your way out of the green room and into the convention hall but he just keeps following you, trying to give you a list of websites you should read with a desperate urgency fuelled by his growing mania. You accept his quickly scribbled list of websites with a weak smile and a nod hoping that things will end there, but they don't. He doesn't stop. The normal social cues that let one know that a conversation is over are completely lost to him.

Yeah, NASA... lots of brilliant crazy people there.
 
2012-11-03 07:27:26 PM

Ghastly: When I was a guest at a comic/sci-fi/anime convention I met a NASA scientist who had to be one of the scariest, craziest, wackiest, guys I've ever met and he took a huge liking to me. It was one of those situations where you start off talking about the science and he's interesting as all hell and then somewhere along the way the conversation takes a turn and suddenly it's about secret militias in the desert planning to blow up the Whitehouse with home made artillery cannons and government conspiracies to chemically manipulate the masses with engineered super viruses and then all of a sudden you realize this brilliant scientist you were talking with about solar microwave energy satellites is in fact stark raving bonkers mad.


jc.people.vee.net
 
2012-11-03 08:05:10 PM

Ghastly: When I was a guest at a comic/sci-fi/anime convention I met a NASA scientist who had to be one of the scariest, craziest, wackiest, guys I've ever met and he took a huge liking to me. It was one of those situations where you start off talking about the science and he's interesting as all hell and then somewhere along the way the conversation takes a turn and suddenly it's about secret militias in the desert planning to blow up the Whitehouse with home made artillery cannons and government conspiracies to chemically manipulate the masses with engineered super viruses and then all of a sudden you realize this brilliant scientist you were talking with about solar microwave energy satellites is in fact stark raving bonkers mad.

And then you try to divorce yourself from the conversation... but he doesn't stop. He's still following you, still spouting madness you don't want to hear, because he imagines some kindred spirit in you, some special bond that the two of you will ride out the coming apocalypse together, shot guns in hand while you cleanse the burning earth with a spray of hot lead. You try to explain that you have a panel on tentacle porn to host as you make your way out of the green room and into the convention hall but he just keeps following you, trying to give you a list of websites you should read with a desperate urgency fuelled by his growing mania. You accept his quickly scribbled list of websites with a weak smile and a nod hoping that things will end there, but they don't. He doesn't stop. The normal social cues that let one know that a conversation is over are completely lost to him.

Yeah, NASA... lots of brilliant crazy people there.


To be fair, I suspect all physicists and other high-level scientists are at least a little crazy. I mean, among all else, we've chosen to get a degree in a highly scientific discipline, at a time when science is viewed with increasing disdain by a large chunk of the country.

/Then again, I *KNOW* I'm crazy... well, at least a bit neurotic.
 
2012-11-03 08:10:11 PM
Too much fox news.
It rots the brain. I'm watching it happen to my mother.
 
2012-11-03 08:43:55 PM
I love these guys. If God's plan were perfect and infallible, then clearly you were always intended to die starving in a gutter after making a laughing stock of yourself. It's been in the works for 6000+ years in your mind. (billions to the rest of us, and nobody put you there but yourself) So just be happy that God had a special step put in the plan just to ruin your life and kill you off.
 
2012-11-03 08:53:33 PM
FTA: Coppedge also is a board member for Illustra Media, a company that produces video documentaries examining the scientific evidence for intelligent design.

Scientific evidence?
 
2012-11-03 09:21:15 PM

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTA: Coppedge also is a board member for Illustra Media, a company that produces video documentaries examining the scientific evidence for intelligent design.

Scientific evidence?


Which amounts to "Evolutionary biology/geology/astronomy/etc. can't explain X, Y, and Z, so God did it"
 
2012-11-03 09:55:06 PM

Superjew: Dear ID proponents: Kill Yourself. God wants you to.


It just can't be done.

SuperJewess.
 
2012-11-03 09:57:12 PM

phalamir: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?

God hasn't been proven to exist, or been predicted by a theory grounded in proven principles. Therefore you can no more use him to discuss the physical universe than you can use owlbears to discuss DNA. Science does not allow for pulling unfalsifiable shiat out of your ass.

In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible


Wait, you mean that because the universe does not look like it was made by god that means it was made by god?
 
2012-11-03 10:06:09 PM

dready zim: phalamir: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?

God hasn't been proven to exist, or been predicted by a theory grounded in proven principles. Therefore you can no more use him to discuss the physical universe than you can use owlbears to discuss DNA. Science does not allow for pulling unfalsifiable shiat out of your ass.

In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible

Wait, you mean that because the universe does not look like it was made by god that means it was made by god?


Men in their arrogance claim to understand the nature of creation, and devise elaborate theories to describe its behavior. But always they discover in the end that God was quite a bit more clever than they thought.
 
2012-11-03 10:10:17 PM

Jedi_Templar: Which amounts to "Evolutionary biology/geology/astronomy/etc. can't explain X, Y, and Z, so God did it"


Especially hilarious since Cdesign proponentists are scientifically and sometimes seemingly functionally illiterate, and frequently X, Y, and Z are things that science fully explained, verified, and folded into standard theory half a century or more ago. "No one has seen life arise from non-life", etc.
 
2012-11-03 10:10:57 PM

UNC_Samurai: dready zim: phalamir: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?

God hasn't been proven to exist, or been predicted by a theory grounded in proven principles. Therefore you can no more use him to discuss the physical universe than you can use owlbears to discuss DNA. Science does not allow for pulling unfalsifiable shiat out of your ass.

In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible

Wait, you mean that because the universe does not look like it was made by god that means it was made by god?

Men in their arrogance claim to understand the nature of creation, and devise elaborate theories to describe its behavior. But always they discover in the end that God was quite a bit more clever than they thought.


Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.
 
2012-11-03 10:13:25 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.


The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.
 
2012-11-03 10:24:04 PM

UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.


Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.
 
2012-11-03 10:26:24 PM

UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.


Someone's looking for a nerve stapling.
 
2012-11-03 10:26:39 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.


Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
 
2012-11-03 10:28:09 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: gopher321: Of course, Einstein didn't really believe in the concept of a personal God with heaven and hell, just that there is structure to the world/universe...

Sadly, Einstein's personal beliefs also caused him to initially refute the idea of an expanding universe (which he later said was his biggest blunder), and also caused him to believe that quantum mechanics (A field he helped create) was fundamentally wrong, so the last decades of his life were spent searching for a theory of everything that didn't include QM.


!?!?!!??!!? I had no idea. That's nuts.

Religion poisons everything.
 
2012-11-03 10:34:41 PM

UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.

Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?


You tell us. You're the one who believes in him.
 
2012-11-03 10:37:07 PM

UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.


That was nicely poetic, but it didn't make a lick of sense.
 
2012-11-03 10:46:00 PM

UNC_Samurai: The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress.


You sound like you write fortune cookies for a living.
 
2012-11-03 10:59:40 PM

t3knomanser: Marine1: How'd he get through life not branching out?

Different era. I work with people who have been programming a specific, non-standard branch of COBOL for their entire careers. They're still doing it, and starting next year, we have a project in place to replace it (with Oracle enterprise crapware, so not much of an improvement, actually). The only reason they're not actively trying to kill this project is because they're all pretty much ready to retire anyway. I find myself wondering if it took this long because the upper management was waiting for them all to be close enough to retirement age.


Yeah, but... I mean... just curiosity would make me try another language.
 
2012-11-03 11:14:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: You tell us. You're the one who believes in him.


Max Awesome: That was nicely poetic, but it didn't make a lick of sense.


whatshisname: You sound like you write fortune cookies for a living.


I pity the three of you, for you fail to see what's right in front of your eyes. It's nothing quite as grand as God or science, I admit, but it's as close as a Google search and as far as Alpha Centauri.
 
2012-11-03 11:27:07 PM

raerae1980: Wait, so he was a computer specialist and not an actual scientist? Okay. I can see that. If he was an actual scientist and was preaching ID, then I'd have to wonder how he made it that far into his career. I've yet to meet a scientist who didn't believe in Evolution, although I'm sure they sadly exist.


www.conservapedia.com

Art Robinson, Ph.D.

/ may be obscure outside of the Pacific Northwest...
 
2012-11-03 11:29:33 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: raerae1980: Wait, so he was a computer specialist and not an actual scientist? Okay. I can see that. If he was an actual scientist and was preaching ID, then I'd have to wonder how he made it that far into his career. I've yet to meet a scientist who didn't believe in Evolution, although I'm sure they sadly exist.

[www.conservapedia.com image 98x108]

Art Robinson, Ph.D.

/ may be obscure outside of the Pacific Northwest...


looks like a kiddie diddling gun nut neo con...

(checks wiki)

YUP!
 
2012-11-03 11:45:54 PM

dready zim: phalamir: Bhruic: UNC_Samurai: God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.

Just to check, does everything that hasn't been proven not to exist exist, or does God get a special rule?

God hasn't been proven to exist, or been predicted by a theory grounded in proven principles. Therefore you can no more use him to discuss the physical universe than you can use owlbears to discuss DNA. Science does not allow for pulling unfalsifiable shiat out of your ass.

In many ways, Intelligent Design is one of the most obscene attacks on the majesty of God imaginable. "I cannot see how this could occur without God, so God had to do it" translates directly as "I am too stupid to come up with a way this makes sense without magic hand-waving by God" which translates directly as "Since God had to handwave to make it work, God is stupider than me, because not only did He have to handwave, but He was so dumb about how He did it that I was able to see the flaw that required handwaving". Accepting Intelligent Design is simply calling God a complete and utter farking retard moron, because a truly infinitely perfect omni-omni deity could - and almost be definition of being perfect, would have to - create a universe that was completely and utterly indistinguishable from one arising from random chance; otherwise His Design would not be perfect because of the obvious problems. And they are some ass-glaring flaws, since we know they are visible for people with virtually no education, single-digit IQs, and the reasoning skills of low-end rocks. Intelligent Design only works if you posit the most un-Intelligent Designer possible

Wait, you mean that because the universe does not look like it was made by god that means it was made by god?


Not at all. I am saying that if you say "the only way this works is because God", then you are saying God is an idiot, which means you believe the possible Supreme Being sucks at His job. I am saying a perfect God would not make a universe so wonky it requires His direct involvement to paper over inconsistencies - that would require that God's level of competence is absurdly imperfect. A universe that works without having to reference God can be because He doesn't exist, but a universe that only works by dint of [insert God here] means said God is a moron - and a universe that only works by dint of [insert God here] that is glaring enough that your average fundiban can see the errors is made by a God that is a safety-helmet-and-bite-guard-wearing retard.
 
2012-11-04 12:04:15 AM

phalamir: I am saying a perfect God would not make a universe so wonky it requires His direct involvement to paper over inconsistencies


The problem with God is that nobody can define it. Which is further evidence that God is simply wishful thinking.
 
2012-11-04 12:05:50 AM
hey godbullies:

in order to have a successful discussion about god with someone who has a background in sanity...err..science, you need to do what they do:
test it to see if it works, then apply that same math to making it "not work".
double blind testing...

take both sides...test them..using a set of rules...and then don't change them to fit your superstition.

it's this very process of using logic that keeps your car from exploding, your seatbelts working, planes from crashing and your predator drones hitting civilians...err...anyway...

if you refute science, then you shouldn't trust 90% of the stuff you use.

if that's the case, go live in a cave in your hair suit, fark off and stay out of our schools, hospitals and politics.

no one likes a nutbar...least of all a superstitious nutbar.

thing is, everything works just fine without god and works waaay better without the people who believe in it/him/her/Ted Neeley etc etc.


if you don't have a brain enough to argue both sides with some form of intelligence, you don't have the right to even discuss "god"..

so.

start there..
 
2012-11-04 12:09:24 AM

whatshisname: phalamir: I am saying a perfect God would not make a universe so wonky it requires His direct involvement to paper over inconsistencies

The problem with God is that nobody can define it. Which is further evidence that God is simply wishful thinking.


apply that to gravity then...gravity is not wishful thinking and we barely understand it or i would be typing this from my flying car... we do know a lot about it..but not everything...so is it magic?
gravity works..ask Kim Kardashian...

not that i disagree with you, but your logic is seriously flawed.
 
2012-11-04 12:18:13 AM

Haliburton Cummings: apply that to gravity then...gravity is not wishful thinking and we barely understand it or i would be typing this from my flying car...


I did not use the word "understand", I used the word "define". We can define the effects of gravity quite precisely. How precisely can we define the effects of God? And I'm not so sure I agree with the statement that we barely understand gravity. We understand it very well. We just can't reconcile it to the other 3 fundamental forces yet, but that doesn't put it on the same footing as the invisible dude in the sky.
 
2012-11-04 12:20:57 AM

peasandcarrots: My roommate is still complaining about how he lost his last job (three years ago), claiming that the boss just had it in for him. When I point out that he never got in to work on time, did things that were specifically against union rules, and was never shy about telling others what he thought of his boss, the management, and the company in general, all during a time of mass layoffs for the entire industry, he just looks blank for a moment and then goes back to insisting that his boss just had it in for him for no reason.


Part of my job is digging up evidence of misconduct of employees when an investigation is opened. People feel entitled to all sorts of shiat and when they are finally called out on it - they love to deflect from the real cause to some fake drama. To this day someone I know (friend of a friend) who was fired for intentionally leaking confidential information to a competitor (I busted him - he doesn't know that) blames his boss and a massive conspiracy against him for being fired.

/that being said - HR is the biggest obstacle to getting rid of problem employees
 
2012-11-04 12:30:21 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.

Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

You tell us. You're the one who believes in him.


OKay, just so you know? He is *literally* just quoting the little tech quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, the spiritual successor to Civ 2 (and a game that has some INCREDIBLY AWESOME hard sci-fi. And also appears to be eerily precient in a lot of ways. Like this quote. "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. ")
 
2012-11-04 12:32:06 AM

RandomAxe: The major problem with most Intelligent Design arguments is that they argue for a Designer with a rather low intelligence. Frankly, as religion they qualify as blasphemy. The fact that their proponents aren't smart enough to realize this is a strong argument, on its own, for not taking them seriously.


...if they're arguing their God is omnipotent, how could they be arguing that he couldn't provide the mechanism for evolution?

Or, as I like to say, "Evolution is Intelligent Design!"
 
2012-11-04 12:33:24 AM

Max Awesome: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

That was nicely poetic, but it didn't make a lick of sense.


That is because he is quoting Mirriam Godwinson of the Lord's Believers, the religious fanatic faction of Alpha Centauri.
/Also one of the MOST IRRITATING FACTIONS IN THE GAME.
//You're evil heathens who worship science and evil. I've finally reached the second tech tier in the game. Give me free tech or I will totally attack you and irritate you with super weak units!
///Although what I do like is that there is almost no faction in the original game that is very clearly "The Good Guys". Even the UN faction has some dark sides, and even Mirriam has some pretty DAMN good points.
 
2012-11-04 12:36:04 AM

Felgraf: Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: UNC_Samurai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Not very clever at all, actually, considering how many mistakes he made. Of course, the religious pin that on God getting so pissed at man that he cursed all of creation, which paints God as a colossal prick and not worthy of praise.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

Your own book records God's willful acts of mass death and destruction, and acts of unbelievable cruelty towards individuals. He's no better than many of the gods you say don't exist. And that's another thing, you're so quick to dismiss all special otherworldly divine beings except the one you think is best. Tell me that doesn't smack of hypocrisy.

Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

You tell us. You're the one who believes in him.

OKay, just so you know? He is *literally* just quoting the little tech quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, the spiritual successor to Civ 2 (and a game that has some INCREDIBLY AWESOME hard sci-fi. And also appears to be eerily precient in a lot of ways. Like this quote. "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. ")


I don't troll often, maybe once or twice a year I go full SMAC on a Geek tab thread. I've never gotten anyone to bite like that, I feel kinda bad.
 
2012-11-04 12:39:42 AM

whatshisname: Haliburton Cummings: apply that to gravity then...gravity is not wishful thinking and we barely understand it or i would be typing this from my flying car...

I did not use the word "understand", I used the word "define". We can define the effects of gravity quite precisely. How precisely can we define the effects of God? And I'm not so sure I agree with the statement that we barely understand gravity. We understand it very well. We just can't reconcile it to the other 3 fundamental forces yet, but that doesn't put it on the same footing as the invisible dude in the sky.


petty semantic arguments aside, your logic still doesn't hold water and you are arguing a weak point from a pretty weak place.

i wasn't trying to put gravity and god in the same place either. i was making an analogy.

if you can't understand context, you are almost as bad as a godbully...
you also didn't say "define the effects of " so now you are spouting..

so since you understand the effects of gravity so well, explain gravity to me. i want to hover three inches above my floor at parties.
how exactly do i do that?

oh..yeah...right...
 
2012-11-04 12:40:27 AM

UNC_Samurai: OKay, just so you know? He is *literally* just quoting the little tech quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, the spiritual successor to Civ 2 (and a game that has some INCREDIBLY AWESOME hard sci-fi. And also appears to be eerily precient in a lot of ways. Like this quote. "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. ")


Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I was *REALLY* confused. Especially since you were even quoting Pravin Lal at the beginning, and... people seemed to completely misunderstand the quote.
 
2012-11-04 12:48:11 AM

Haliburton Cummings: i wasn't trying to put gravity and god in the same place either. i was making an analogy.


No, you were building a straw man.
 
2012-11-04 12:49:38 AM

Felgraf: UNC_Samurai: OKay, just so you know? He is *literally* just quoting the little tech quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, the spiritual successor to Civ 2 (and a game that has some INCREDIBLY AWESOME hard sci-fi. And also appears to be eerily precient in a lot of ways. Like this quote. "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. ")

Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I was *REALLY* confused. Especially since you were even quoting Pravin Lal at the beginning, and... people seemed to completely misunderstand the quote.


The first quote is actually from the University, not the Peacekeepers. Zakharov says it when you discover Intellectual Integrity.
 
2012-11-04 12:51:31 AM

UNC_Samurai: Felgraf: UNC_Samurai: OKay, just so you know? He is *literally* just quoting the little tech quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, the spiritual successor to Civ 2 (and a game that has some INCREDIBLY AWESOME hard sci-fi. And also appears to be eerily precient in a lot of ways. Like this quote. "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. ")

Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I was *REALLY* confused. Especially since you were even quoting Pravin Lal at the beginning, and... people seemed to completely misunderstand the quote.

The first quote is actually from the University, not the Peacekeepers. Zakharov says it when you discover Intellectual Integrity.


Gaaaah, I meant Zakharov, just screwed up the name, but you are right.
/Always played University.
//.. Probably because it was easy to get a HUGE tech advantadge with them.
///You have chaos weapons? How quaint. Meet me Photonic Death Sphere.
 
2012-11-04 12:57:21 AM
I still don't get why Christians don't just say that God designed life to evolve.
 
2012-11-04 01:00:37 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I still don't get why Christians don't just say that God designed life to evolve.


They do. See "Intelligent Design"
 
2012-11-04 01:02:21 AM

Lsherm: JPL attorney Cameron Fox, however, contended Coppedge was a stubborn and disconnected employee who decided not to heed warnings to get additional training, even when it became clear the Cassini mission would be downsized and computer specialist positions eliminated.

I used to work at a large university which was run very similar to a government bureaucracy, and we had the same problem with some employees, particularly during the late 1990's when computer support jobs effectively changed from mainframe support to regular old desktop support. For whatever reason, these people had it stuck in their heads that just because they had been hired to do one job, such as supporting SAS on a mainframe, they couldn't possibly be required to learn how to do a similar job, like supporting SAS on a personal computer.

Many, many similar lawsuits later we were down all of the inflexible people who wouldn't learn new skills, and they all applied the same playbook: they were targeted for (pick one): being female, being a minority, being old, not having a degree, etc. Whatever legal cover they thought they could hide under, they would try it. In the end, they were all let go for the exact same reason: they were given ample opportunity and resources to continue their employment and they rejected all of it.

Plenty of larger companies will, indeed, use the RIF (Reduction in Force) plan to get rid of bad employees, but the bad employees are usually granted an opportunity to move into another job and they fail miserably at whatever requirements the company sets out for them. If, after the company gives you a plan to move into another a job and your first course of action is to sue, it probably won't end well for you.




This.
 
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