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(Guardian)   Thanks to Gary Johnson and the potheads, Colorado could get all nadered-up next Tuesday   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 29
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2012-11-03 11:15:40 AM  
10 votes:
Oh, and another thing. It makes no sense whatsoever to vote for someone who literally has no chance of actually winning the election - that's just throwing your vote away. Think about that before you pull that lever for Romney!
2012-11-03 11:36:19 AM  
5 votes:

Jarhead_h: cman: Inb4 Libertarian bashers muck up this thread with their confusion of Libertarianism and Conservatism

How about their deliberate confusion of libertarianism and Ayn Rand's cult? Am really tired of that shiat.


The distinction is that while Objectivism is autism expressed as an existential philosophy, Libertarianism is autism expressed as a political philosophy.
2012-11-03 08:53:16 AM  
4 votes:
i1121.photobucket.com

"Third Party? Nonsense. You already have a choice."
2012-11-03 11:51:34 AM  
3 votes:
Q: How many libertarians does it take to stop a Panzer division?

A: None. The market forces will take care of that.
2012-11-03 11:13:54 AM  
3 votes:

AnonAmbientLight: The best example that was explained to me about libitarians and their ideas is an airport.

You have an airport with all your rights flying around (planes) and the air traffic control (government) gets to decide where those planes can go to and when. This is to avoid planes from running into each other or some planes getting special treatment.

Libitarians would want to remove the air traffic controller for ultimate freedom, but fail to realize in by doing do, all the planes would eventually start running in to each other.


After a bunch of crashes, the pilots who were really good at avoiding other planes would still be in business, and be able to reap the profits because demand for seats on those planes would go way up! Supply and demand, man! Best skilled pilots would reap the most gain.

Also, Darwinism! Watching evolution in action in our skies! It would be spectacular!

If your pilots weren't so good, and might crash, you could at least sell tickets to people who wanted to watch the spectacular crashes, and make money that way!
2012-11-03 10:22:42 AM  
3 votes:
You can't have Libertarianism without the 'Lib'. Obama's support in this state is about to be flipped upside down and I'd like to take a minute to tell you why. In Hawaii where he spent many a day, he could often be found advocating for the hip and cool. Then he gets in a heated argument one day and his Mom sends him overseas to a radical ISLAMISIST school in Indonesia. Drinking fresh-squeezed durian out of a wooden cup he starting having grandiose notions about whether the common people lived like this and whether it would be alright for all manner of social strata to live this way. Now Gary comes up with some fresh ideas and its no dice for Obama. All libs have to do is look in the mirror...

Now on election night around 7 or 8 Obama and Johnson will look around Colorado to see what finally happened there - and Romney will be sitting in the oval office as the prince of bel air!
2012-11-03 03:28:55 PM  
2 votes:

TheOther: Tough shiat. If you want somebody's vote, represent their interests; not just be LesserEvil tm


I take offense at your post. I will always be the better choice on the ballot.
2012-11-03 11:39:35 AM  
2 votes:
Libertarianism: Because everything will be sweet once everybody operates on the Honor System. Particularly businesses. They always do what's right.
2012-11-03 11:06:12 AM  
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: DammitIForgotMyLogin: The essence of the libertarian argument: I don't give a crap if it might endanger other people, you can't stop me doing what I want.

You know how I know that you know jack farking shiat about Libertarianism?


What's to know? A candidate runs in the primary as a Republican, loses said primary, claims he's now a Libertarian, mentions something about wanting to legalize weed, the Paultards eat it up, and suddenly he's bypassed his way onto the general ballot.

It's like how a lot of 2-time Bush voters I know suddenly started referring to themselves as Libertarians back in 2006.
2012-11-04 12:52:42 AM  
1 votes:
Libertarians are conservatives too ashamed to call themselves Republicans. It's probably been said already, but I'm repeating it because it's true.
2012-11-03 04:43:28 PM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: HeartBurnKid: Fart_Machine: HeartBurnKid: Obama has stepped up marijuana enforcement, if anything; medical dispensaries have been closed down at a greater rate than under Bush.

Personally I have no problem with making marijuana legal and putting the same restrictions on it that we have on tobacco. Having said that, here in California medical dispensaries have been their own worst enemies. Voters enacted Prop. 215 based on compassion for medical users. Medical dispensaries popped up like crazy and without proper regulation instead of cancer and glaucoma patients you had a bunch of eighteen year old kids with prescriptions for "back pain" which fed into the arguments of the opponents and got the Fed and local authorities cracking down on them.

Look, just make the shait legal already but until then police your own industry.

My mom uses medical marijuana to help her with the pain caused by her arthritis and her lupus. There's a ton of other stuff it's good for, too. If you think that cancer and glaucoma patients are the only ones that need it, you're the problem, not the dispensaries.

/facepalm.

Is that seriously what you got out of what I said? Really?


Yeah, it is. You want to throw anecdotes at me about "18 year old kids with back pain" getting phony MM cards (let me guess, they're the kids of all the welfare queens in Cadillacs, right?) and act like that means something? And, for that matter like that's something the dispensaries are responsible for in the first place? You want to talk about how the voters were snowjobbed with stuff about cancer and glaucoma like those are the only things pot is good for? You want to talk about how too many medical dispensaries popped up when there's a Walgreen's or a Rite-Aid on every street corner peddling Vicodin, Percocet, and Soma? And then you facepalm when I call you out on your ignorance? You're a very silly person, my friend. Silly, or sad; I don't know which yet.
2012-11-03 03:49:51 PM  
1 votes:

rthanu: Yeah 5 million is hyperbolic. but lets enumerate a few
1. Somalia's strife is largely the result of their poverty, not their form of governance.
2. Somalia's poverty is the result of having few resources compared to non-african countries. It's not as bad as Ethiopia or Chad, but they are pretty effing poor.
3. Somalia has not made the technological advancements the West and East have made in recent centuries due to # 2.

Compared to us, they are poor and technologically backward, just like much the rest of Africa. This is not the result of them democratically electing people who put the ideals of personal responsibility over all else. It's farking retarded to argue that.

I'm a democrat and align 60ish percent with their policies. But since I dare say that Obama is not God's gift to potheads i'm a closet republican. Obama's administration has done nothing to advance the cause of legalization, while doing just as much if not more to shiat on dispensaries.


Somalia's poverty is largely because the nation's wealth was extracted by the already-rich, who then took it and ran instead of a rising tide lifting all boats. 2 and 3 are the result of that. Somalia is the result of a weak central government collapsing, which is the goal of the LP. They waffle on whether or not they're willing to ADMIT that, but they have in the past and will again.

Obama's been better for weed than the GOP, I know it ain't much and I agree we could do with more, but let's not lie about who's been tepidly enforcing laws and who's been pushing for tougher laws and tighter enforcement.
2012-11-03 03:22:10 PM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: Oh, and another thing. It makes no sense whatsoever to vote for someone who literally has no chance of actually winning the election - that's just throwing your vote away. Think about that before you pull that lever for Romney!


Actually, it makes no sense whatsoever to go out and vote if your vote literally has no chance of deciding the election. "Ooh, Obama's margin of victory was 118,032 instead of 118,031!" What a waste of time.

/But hey, my time is my own to waste, and Oregon lets me vote by mail. 
//Besides, it's not like either main party is actually trying to fix the problem of spoilers, namely the stupid plurality voting system.
2012-11-03 02:36:56 PM  
1 votes:

knobmaker: I'm particularly irritated by the morons who feel that Somalia is a libertarian paradise. The major plank in the libertarian political platform is the absolute proscription against force and fraud.


Smeggy Smurf: Play fair, make money, don't hurt other people or we hang you. No exceptions.


rthanu: Yes the Somalia argument is retarded. But so is the uncompromising attempt at applying a theoretical ideal to real world situations, which accurately describes the aims of the libertarian party.


The Somalia argument is REALITY. It is what happens when you don't have a government, you get the one you didn't want most of all. It is the simplest, most concise refutation of every "rational actor, no force, freedumb!" argument put forth. You don't like it because it the truth hurts.
2012-11-03 02:03:18 PM  
1 votes:

Jarhead_h: cman: Inb4 Libertarian bashers muck up this thread with their confusion of Libertarianism and Conservatism

How about their deliberate confusion of libertarianism and Ayn Rand's cult? Am really tired of that shiat.


Libertarian is just another way for Republicans to lie and say "I'm not a Republican. I'm a Libretarian. Really." See Bob Barr, RON PAUL, cman.
2012-11-03 01:47:23 PM  
1 votes:
Libertarianism: the erroneous philosophical assertion that getting rid of all traffic lights and laws will make people better drivers.
2012-11-03 12:01:26 PM  
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: DammitIForgotMyLogin: The essence of the libertarian argument: I don't give a crap if it might endanger other people, you can't stop me doing what I want.

You know how I know that you know jack farking shiat about Libertarianism?


We don't live in a third world shiathole because we pay taxes and have rules and regulations?
2012-11-03 11:53:18 AM  
1 votes:

cman: Inb4 Libertarian bashers muck up this thread with their confusion of Libertarianism and Conservatism


Yeah we should let the libertarians do that first.
2012-11-03 11:48:02 AM  
1 votes:

LectertheChef: Anybody who's not an under 25 white middle-class (Or higher) male and still a Libertarian is just an idiot.


No, just a self-centered jackass.
2012-11-03 11:42:26 AM  
1 votes:

phaseolus: So ... Libertarians are basically people with an overdeveloped suite of pet peeves, then??


Yeah. Nerds.
2012-11-03 11:33:44 AM  
1 votes:
Obama faces stiff task to blunt Gary Johnson's challenge in Colorado 

You know who else faced a stiff johnson. Aiken knows.
2012-11-03 11:32:35 AM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: That said, I think the public would be well served by having at least two third-party candidates in the presidential debates. I think having at least a Green and a Libertarian would turn what is now essentially a mutual press conference into an actual debate, with interesting and exciting ideas being discussed and argued. Seems simple enough. You'd only need a few extra microphones.


A few extra microphones, along with a few cowboys to rope the democratic and republican candidates and drag them onto stage with the hoi palloi. Maybe a few cattleprods too to actually get them to respond to their lessers.
2012-11-03 11:20:47 AM  
1 votes:
Did you hear that? HUNDREDS packed the auditorium. DOZENS couldn't find seats and filled the rows. Obama must have seen that and gone to respond to Johnsons impending upheaval!
2012-11-03 11:19:46 AM  
1 votes:
Years ago, some farker said that Michael Z. Williamson's Freehold was the best example of why Libertarianism is the shiat.

You can read it here, for free.

Actually, don't, it was the dumbest book I have ever read.
2012-11-03 11:10:05 AM  
1 votes:
Imagine what a great country we could be, if only we were more like the great Libertarian paradise of Somalia.

/Seriously though, has this crazy shiat ever worked? Anywhere?
2012-11-03 10:50:00 AM  
1 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: The essence of the libertarian argument: I don't give a crap if it might endanger other people, you can't stop me doing what I want.


There's a bit more than that. A freedom to oppress, as long as you can frame it in the name of business. Openly choosing not to help people because they should help themselves, something that applies to natural disasters as well. No real Libertarian would have an agency like FEMA, or would have government for a second help coordinate personal relief efforts. Infrastructure sure, but feeding people? Not a Libertarian's job.
2012-11-03 10:41:40 AM  
1 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: The essence of the libertarian argument: I don't give a crap if it might endanger other people, you can't stop me doing what I want.


And governments would never keep speed limits artificially low as a revenue generator.
2012-11-03 10:39:53 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 631x615]

"Third Party? Nonsense. You already have a choice."


i1121.photobucket.com

Twas brillig.
2012-11-03 10:34:40 AM  
1 votes:
"You know you're a libertarian when you hate speed limits," he said, earning cheers.


The essence of the libertarian argument: I don't give a crap if it might endanger other people, you can't stop me doing what I want.
 
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