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(SFGate)   Tennessee court allows library card ID for voters, making it easy for seven additional Tennesseans to cast their ballots   (sfgate.com) divider line 68
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2012-11-03 06:57:57 AM  
This is just like the police department sending out "You've won a free boat! Collect it Saturday at Polic Happy Fun Center behind City Hall!" isn't it?
 
2012-11-03 08:41:57 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is just like the police department sending out "You've won a free boat! Collect it Saturday at Polic Happy Fun Center behind City Hall!" isn't it?


Depends.

Is it a nice boat?
 
2012-11-03 08:43:24 AM  
Library cards there have the person's photo on them? That seems unusual.
 
2012-11-03 08:43:57 AM  
Tennessians is learning?
 
2012-11-03 08:47:08 AM  

Alphax: Library cards there have the person's photo on them? That seems unusual.


You don't think they'd let just anyone into the library, do you?
 
2012-11-03 08:47:37 AM  
+1 Subs
 
2012-11-03 08:57:22 AM  
My local library actually has very strict requirements to get a library card. I had to have three forms of id to prove I lived here before they would loan me a book.
 
2012-11-03 08:58:53 AM  
It's a state issued ID..I don't see the problem.
 
2012-11-03 09:02:42 AM  
Here you are embedded with a tracking chip and the late fees will kill you.

Maybe we should be voting now for 2016 and then they will have 4 years to verify the votes.
 
2012-11-03 09:09:04 AM  

skipjack: It's a state issued ID..I don't see the problem.


Real Murikans don't need no fancy book-lernin'.
 
2012-11-03 09:13:06 AM  
Tennessee is the cradle of Civilization.
 
2012-11-03 09:14:38 AM  
and my A**hole smells like daffadils on a bright, crisp spring morning.
 
2012-11-03 09:15:16 AM  

King Something: skipjack: It's a state issued ID..I don't see the problem.

Real Murikans don't need no fancy book-lernin'.


Reading other people's werds and ideas is a sign of weakness. I done gone and went and feeled everythin from my gut.
 
2012-11-03 09:18:28 AM  

King Something: skipjack: It's a state issued ID..I don't see the problem.

Real Murikans don't need no fancy book-lernin'.


Do you own a sharpie and cardboard sign about the highest form of patriotic?
 
2012-11-03 09:20:30 AM  
i288.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-03 09:23:06 AM  
Well you need dat idear to buy ya chaw! *ptonk*
 
2012-11-03 09:25:37 AM  
they have libraries in Tennessee?? man, they've come a long way.
 
2012-11-03 09:26:48 AM  

Linux_Yes: they have libraries in Tennessee?? man, they've come a long way.


Where else are you supposed to buy your kindling?
 
2012-11-03 09:35:10 AM  
www.politifake.org
 
2012-11-03 09:44:58 AM  
The Republican-fabricated hysteria about mass voter impersonation is being used in order to create a sense that there is a crisis so that Republicans can justify policies which make it harder to register and harder to vote. However, the Republicans have failed to show any cases where voter impersonation has occurred, much less effected the outcome of an election. That's why they're properly called voter suppression laws, and not voter ID laws.
 
2012-11-03 09:45:40 AM  
In its Oct. 25 ruling, the appeals court cited Tennessee case law in finding that the city of Memphis is a branch of the state, so the library card, which was redesigned this year to include a photo, is enough to prove identity.

In their Supreme Court appeal filed last Friday, lawyers for Hargett and Goins said the high court needs to determine whether the voter ID law that took effect this year allows for local government ID.


Sounds like their question has already been answered. Who didn't see a 'no true Scotman's picture ID' situation coming when they started passing these asshat laws?
 
2012-11-03 09:50:43 AM  

Alphax: Library cards there have the person's photo on them? That seems unusual.


It's not a normal practice, but even in Tennessee or Kansas there are local levels of government run by people who didn't support the voter ID laws. Those municipalities have started doing things like issuing library cards or pool passes or bus passes or whatever that meet the letter of that state's laws (i.e., needs a photo, needs an address in some states, needs an expiration date in some states, etc).
 
2012-11-03 10:10:56 AM  
I get it - these laws are an attempt at voter suppression.

But what I don't understand is how do people function in society without an ID. I live in Tennessee and getting an ID isn't really that difficult a thing. Driver licenses are less than $20 every five years and anywhere you get a driver's license you can get a state issued photo ID for less than $10 with the same renewal period. If you can't afford that I would say that you have issues that voting (no matter who for) just aren't going to fix.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/driverlicense/dllicensefees.shtml
 
2012-11-03 10:19:01 AM  

llort dam eht: I get it - these laws are an attempt at voter suppression.

But what I don't understand is how do people function in society without an ID. I live in Tennessee and getting an ID isn't really that difficult a thing. Driver licenses are less than $20 every five years and anywhere you get a driver's license you can get a state issued photo ID for less than $10 with the same renewal period. If you can't afford that I would say that you have issues that voting (no matter who for) just aren't going to fix.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/driverlicense/dllicensefees.shtml


It's possible to live without an ID. You just have to do without certain privileges, like driving, opening a bank account, buying booze, traveling by air, or purchasing gentlemen's literature.

/and just because someone is so poor that they can't afford an ID and voting won't fix their problems doesn't mean that they should have a harder time to vote than anyone who isn't in dire straights financially
//some states will waive the cost of an ID entirely if the applicant is poor, like the hypothetical person you said whose problems won't be fixed by voting
///Wisconsin is one of those states, but their voter ID law prohibits DMV workers from telling applicants that they can get the fee waived
 
2012-11-03 10:19:22 AM  

llort dam eht: I get it - these laws are an attempt at voter suppression.

But what I don't understand is how do people function in society without an ID. I live in Tennessee and getting an ID isn't really that difficult a thing. Driver licenses are less than $20 every five years and anywhere you get a driver's license you can get a state issued photo ID for less than $10 with the same renewal period. If you can't afford that I would say that you have issues that voting (no matter who for) just aren't going to fix.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/driverlicense/dllicensefees.shtml


Yes, it's voter suppression. But as to the cost, the point isn't that these IDs are inexpensive, it's that they aren't free and aren't easily available to everyone. It won't of course, but I hope that this latest round of voter suppression encourages Democrats to push for standardized federal election laws. Same machines, same forms, same policies in all States. I think that would end this embarrassing banana-republic circus.
 
2012-11-03 10:21:30 AM  
Now, now. They just want to make sure you're literate before you vote.
 
2012-11-03 10:31:24 AM  

llort dam eht: I get it - these laws are an attempt at voter suppression.

But what I don't understand is how do people function in society without an ID. I live in Tennessee and getting an ID isn't really that difficult a thing. Driver licenses are less than $20 every five years and anywhere you get a driver's license you can get a state issued photo ID for less than $10 with the same renewal period. If you can't afford that I would say that you have issues that voting (no matter who for) just aren't going to fix.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/driverlicense/dllicensefees.shtml


Most of the people who've filed lawsuits against these stupidities actually do have ID. Usually they're an elderly person who no longer drives and let the ID expire. Then when they go to renew it so that they can vote, they're told they have to bring in additional documents which they either no longer have or that the DMV clerk says doesn't match.

"Mrs. Robinson, I'd love to give you a new ID, but your birth certificate here says your name is actually Wade."
"Yes, Wade was my maiden name"
"OK, then, I'll just need to see a copy of your marriage license."
"The house burned down twenty years ago and took the original with it. Here's a copy"
"Oh, sorry ma'am, we need the original with the raised seal."
"FFFFUUUUUUU"
 
2012-11-03 10:34:38 AM  
In Rhode Island you can use a Health Club ID card. I'll be using my YMCA card that has no picture on it.

This whole thing is so f*cking stupid.
 
2012-11-03 10:35:13 AM  
What if you were required to have an active library card to vote, and you couldn't vote unless you'd checked out at least 2 books in the past year? I might just get behind that.
 
2012-11-03 10:48:35 AM  

King Something: lIt's possible to live without an ID. You just have to do without certain privileges, like driving, opening a bank account, buying booze, traveling by air, or purchasing gentlemen's literature.


Alternatively, if you don't drive or fly, you can simply be old enough to already have a bank account, and buy cigarettes, booze, and porn without being asked for ID. This generally happens around 30, 35, depending on far into the smokes and likker you get.
 
2012-11-03 10:55:21 AM  

starsrift: King Something: lIt's possible to live without an ID. You just have to do without certain privileges, like driving, opening a bank account, buying booze, traveling by air, or purchasing gentlemen's literature.

Alternatively, if you don't drive or fly, you can simply be old enough to already have a bank account, and buy cigarettes, booze, and porn without being asked for ID. This generally happens around 30, 35, depending on far into the smokes and likker you get.



Or if you frequent a particular store. The store near my house doesn't card me, because the clerks know me. What happened when they hired a new clerk? After seeing me in there a few times this person must have picked up on the fact that the others know me (as a regular, not socially), and he has never carded me either.

Also your bank/convenience store might take an ID that your polling station wont, like a passport (if you live in AZ).
 
2012-11-03 10:57:47 AM  
Three numbers that many of you libs are considering:

Percent of people pissed at Obama's response to Sandy: 30%
Palin followers: 15%
Voter suppression: 6%
---------------------------
Romney Voters: 51%

unskewedpolls.com

You Libs will be crying on Wednesday.
 
2012-11-03 10:58:04 AM  
Are they free?
 
2012-11-03 10:58:52 AM  

badhatharry: My local library actually has very strict requirements to get a library card. I had to have three forms of id to prove I lived here before they would loan me a book.


And one wonders why libraries are dying.
 
2012-11-03 10:59:48 AM  

wademh: What if you were required to have an active library card to vote, and you couldn't vote unless you'd checked out at least 2 books in the past year? I might just get behind that.


Is the library card free? If not, then it's a poll tax.

In any case, I'm pretty sure this would violate the freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment -- specifically, by making associating with library patrons a requirement to vote.

Your idea seems good on paper, but if some hairy sweaty middle-aged fat guy who looks like the WoW griefer from that one episode of South Park* on the internet can take a few minutes to find it unconstitutional there's no way any judge worth his salt would rule in favor of that idea

/*if you're posting on Fark, you are by definition a hairy sweaty middle-aged fat guy who looks like the WoW griefer from that one episode of South Park, even if you're a 19-year-old hottie redhead lesbian college chick with big knockers (sexy big, not comedy-relief big) and a slim waist, in such great shape that you can do PT with Army Rangers with no problem, and are a paipan
//am neither fat, middle-aged nor do I look anything like that griefer, but see previous slashie
 
2012-11-03 11:06:03 AM  

King Something: Is the library card free? If not, then it's a poll tax.


Around here, the card is free if you live in the municipality since the library is funded with taxes. If you live outside the municipality then you can pay to get the card. I don't know if the 'guest' card looks any different than the normal card.
 
2012-11-03 11:11:52 AM  

Muta: King Something: Is the library card free? If not, then it's a poll tax.

Around here, the card is free if you live in the municipality since the library is funded with taxes. If you live outside the municipality then you can pay to get the card. I don't know if the 'guest' card looks any different than the normal card.


Your municipality's library card wouldn't pass muster either, since it's free for some people but not for others.
 
2012-11-03 11:12:52 AM  
In Ky I had to show my photo ID to get my library card for free and then I get to walk 3 miles there and three miles back to vote.
/I'm still voting.
 
2012-11-03 11:18:32 AM  
The Nashville Library is actually really, really nice. My experiences with the libraries outside of the metropolitan area however have been... depressing to say the least. As far as I can tell libraries in those areas are used almost exclusively to provide white trash with free internet and access to VHS rentals.
 
2012-11-03 11:20:09 AM  

King Something: Muta: King Something: Is the library card free? If not, then it's a poll tax.

Around here, the card is free if you live in the municipality since the library is funded with taxes. If you live outside the municipality then you can pay to get the card. I don't know if the 'guest' card looks any different than the normal card.

Your municipality's library card wouldn't pass muster either, since it's free for some people but not for others.


It probably would pass muster, as long as everyone in the state was eligible for free cards in at least one municipality. And I would hope to God that there isn't a county in our nation without at least one public library.
 
2012-11-03 11:21:34 AM  

King Something: Your municipality's library card wouldn't pass muster either, since it's free for some people but not for others.


You may be right. If you live outside the municipality then you'll also be voting outside the municipality. So it is equally free to the people within the district. Does that change your conclusion?
 
2012-11-03 11:22:33 AM  

Valacirca: The Nashville Library is actually really, really nice. My experiences with the libraries outside of the metropolitan area however have been... depressing to say the least. As far as I can tell libraries in those areas are used almost exclusively to provide white trash with free internet and access to VHS rentals.


You'd be suprised how many place only take applications over the internet. Walmart, for example. And if you live out in the boonies where they haven't even ran cable tv yet, then you either have to pay for a dish or (uuuggghhhh) use dial-up.

And nobody uses VHS anymore. Even the smallest library I know of has moved up to DVD's.
 
2012-11-03 11:41:45 AM  

erveek: Now, now. They just want to make sure you're literate before you vote.


Yeah. Leroy - spell "antidisestablishmentarianism". And you, Cletus - spell "cat".
 
2012-11-03 11:44:19 AM  
lawl, subby
 
2012-11-03 11:44:25 AM  

Muta: King Something: Your municipality's library card wouldn't pass muster either, since it's free for some people but not for others.

You may be right. If you live outside the municipality then you'll also be voting outside the municipality. So it is equally free to the people within the district. Does that change your conclusion?


If the people who live outside your municipality can get a free library card in theirs, then yes. Allowing free library cards to be used as ID for voting is okay in my book, provided that getting the library card requires no passing through any pay walls not directly associated with traveling to the library (bus fare to go to the library is okay, fees to get the documents to get the library card are not)
 
2012-11-03 11:59:43 AM  
eventhelosers:
Tennessians is learning?

Some states with lower literacy rates than Tennessee:

New York
New Jersey
California
Hawaii

Link
 
2012-11-03 12:19:22 PM  

King Something: nice boat


I see what you did there.
 
2012-11-03 12:20:11 PM  

Linux_Yes: and my A**hole smells like daffadils on a bright, crisp spring morning.


www.thelmagazine.com?
 
2012-11-03 12:20:26 PM  

cirby: eventhelosers:
Tennessians is learning?

Some states with lower literacy rates than Tennessee:

New York
New Jersey
California
Hawaii

Link


1. Those states have high proportions of immigrant populations.
2. Nashville style country music.....
 
2012-11-03 12:28:10 PM  

rthanu: cirby: eventhelosers:
Tennessians is learning?

Some states with lower literacy rates than Tennessee:

New York
New Jersey
California
Hawaii

Link

1. Those states have high proportions of immigrant populations.
2. Nashville style country music.....


so what's your point? immigrants don't count? ::head explodes::
 
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