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(Minnesota Public Radio)   Joel Hodgson talks about MST3K's impending 25th anniversary, Cinematic Titanic, and why it's okay to like him and Mike Nelson   (minnesota.publicradio.org) divider line 103
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2012-11-03 09:55:59 AM  

Okoboji: I'm watching Gunslinger right now, so I'm getting a kick.

"Hey lady, you never told me... OH MY GOD!"


Copper tubing!
 
2012-11-03 10:00:52 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


This is what killed it for me. In this day and age, to have his talent and wit but end up an ethically untethered dullard. I'm convinced that politics in America is no different than their religion. Something that is foist upon you before you have any faculties to judge it, then damned to live by, and justify them, until you're stripped of all self esteem.
 
2012-11-03 10:14:28 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


Is he still? I didn't want to mention it, but I read an interview with him a while back and he was total Libertarian flake, maybe even worse. I think he was going off on Clinton for some stupid reason that was common at the time. Makes me hard to like him, sadly enough.

You guys have never heard of separating an entertainer's work from his politics? You expect your comedians to all have the same views as you? In my case, I know that Kevin Murphy is an annoying liberal, and probably contributed many left-wing zingers to MST3K, but I ignore it 'cause he's farking funny. He and Mike seem to have no problem working together after all these years despite their political differences. Get the sticks out of your asses why don't you.


I watched Mike and James Lileks riff Spider Man 3. Both are conservative guys, and the first (and almost only) political barb was aimed at Dick Cheney. Meanwhile Frank Conniff is routinely tweeting and talking in left-wing memespeak -- but he's still hilarious on Cinematic Titanic and was a blast on MST3k.

You're doing to disagree with someone at times. Get over yourselves, people.
 
2012-11-03 10:14:51 AM  
I like both but prefer Mike. He had a much stronger selection of movies during his tenure. Also, by the time he took over as host, the writing staff was really on a roll.

Unfortunately, Pearl was not nearly as entertaining as Dr. F, and Sci-Fi's insistence on a serial plot for the host segments made them pretty bad. As much as I enjoy the movies, I can't stand re-watching the host segments from the Rome arc.
 
2012-11-03 10:22:09 AM  
"What a cool leopard! He must be deaf!"
 
2012-11-03 10:42:22 AM  
My name is Michael J. Nelson, and I'm a liberal douchebag, so maybe that balances things out a bit for you guys.
 
2012-11-03 11:15:47 AM  

Cargo: DrPainMD: I will never like Mike Nelson.


Yup. Too repetitive, too pedestrian. In comedy, this equals:

not funny.


This of course made Mike's brand of references more accessible to the masses. I'll admit that while I really enjoy Joel, a lot of his more arcane references still sail over my head.

Mike's accessibility arguably lead to higher viewership. Without which we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
2012-11-03 11:24:04 AM  

csi_yellowknife: B.L.Z. Bub: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


Is he still? I didn't want to mention it, but I read an interview with him a while back and he was total Libertarian flake, maybe even worse. I think he was going off on Clinton for some stupid reason that was common at the time. Makes me hard to like him, sadly enough.

You guys have never heard of separating an entertainer's work from his politics? You expect your comedians to all have the same views as you? In my case, I know that Kevin Murphy is an annoying liberal, and probably contributed many left-wing zingers to MST3K, but I ignore it 'cause he's farking funny. He and Mike seem to have no problem working together after all these years despite their political differences. Get the sticks out of your asses why don't you.

I watched Mike and James Lileks riff Spider Man 3. Both are conservative guys, and the first (and almost only) political barb was aimed at Dick Cheney. Meanwhile Frank Conniff is routinely tweeting and talking in left-wing memespeak -- but he's still hilarious on Cinematic Titanic and was a blast on MST3k.

You're doing to disagree with someone at times. Get over yourselves, people.


Never. Anyone who isn't precisely like me is stupid, crazy, and evil. That's just a fact.
 
2012-11-03 11:27:45 AM  
I've always thought that Trace was the MVP of MST3K, so I was sure CT would kick butt and potentially take business away from Rifftrax. But CT got off to a rocky start, mainly due to disappointing movie selection (except for Doomsday Machine). It has improved lately, however; Alien Factor and Rattlers are pretty awesome. I think the "old, crappy movie" model has greater potential for funny than the blockbuster one, but Rifftrax has shifted towards that lately as well. Unless CT starts releasing DVDs more frequently, they'll never really affect Rifftrax.

Not that it's really a zero-sum game. I'll buy whatever either of them releases.
 
2012-11-03 11:40:11 AM  
I like both. I do generally the Joel/bot relationship to the Mike/bot relationship, but both are still good. Trace and Frank kicked the Pearl/Brain Guy/Bobo things ass though. With the possible exception of this.
 
2012-11-03 11:58:29 AM  
I used to lock myself in my room on Thanksgiving to watch Turkey Day. To this day i blame my antisocial disorder on MST3K.
 
2012-11-03 12:10:25 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: This is what killed it for me. In this day and age, to have his talent and wit but end up an ethically untethered dullard. I'm convinced that politics in America is no different than their religion. Something that is foist upon you before you have any faculties to judge it, then damned to live by, and justify them, until you're stripped of all self esteem.


Oh get over yourself.

Why does every MST3K thread have to devolve into someone complaining about Mike Nelson being a Republican?
 
2012-11-03 12:16:53 PM  

Magruda: I used to lock myself in my room on Thanksgiving to watch Turkey Day. To this day i blame my antisocial disorder on MST3K.


I'd put it on the TV at grandma's house. Football? Who cares about that? I'm pretty sure my extended family hated me.
 
2012-11-03 12:22:26 PM  

President Merkin Muffley: Cargo: DrPainMD: I will never like Mike Nelson.


Yup. Too repetitive, too pedestrian. In comedy, this equals:

not funny.

This of course made Mike's brand of references more accessible to the masses. I'll admit that while I really enjoy Joel, a lot of his more arcane references still sail over my head.

Mike's accessibility arguably lead to higher viewership. Without which we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-03 12:22:52 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.



Really? Is he Victoria Jackson kinda of loony or his he just a "he doesn't believe what I believe in" loony
 
2012-11-03 12:24:14 PM  
I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)
 
2012-11-03 12:30:00 PM  

dennysgod: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


Really? Is he Victoria Jackson kinda of loony or his he just a "he doesn't believe what I believe in" loony


Let's put it this way... I think he did an interview or two years back for conservative websites, and that's been the reason for many an asshole who can't let politics go to point out ZOMG MIK IZ A REPUBLUTAERD!!!" in every MST3K thread.

Looking at the combined MST3K/Rifftrax output, you'd never know or care what his political leanings are.
 
2012-11-03 12:41:04 PM  

JosephFinn: I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)



They had another riff of the short series at Birdemic last week.
 
2012-11-03 12:43:25 PM  
I've seen Cinematic Titanic live, and I was very impressed.

/liked Joel and Mike
//only bad decision they ever made was making Mary Jo the on-screen villain. She was a good writer, just not good on camera.
 
2012-11-03 12:48:27 PM  
HAI-KEEBA!!!
 
2012-11-03 12:51:01 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I've seen Cinematic Titanic live, and I was very impressed.

/liked Joel and Mike
//only bad decision they ever made was making Mary Jo the on-screen villain. She was a good writer, just not good on camera.


She did alright during host segments when she had bit parts before becoming Pearl.
 
2012-11-03 12:52:17 PM  

Son of Thunder: HAI-KEEBA!!!


Yes?
 
2012-11-03 01:00:04 PM  

dennysgod: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


Really? Is he Victoria Jackson kinda of loony or his he just a "he doesn't believe what I believe in" loony


He's very conservative and very religious in his personal life. Professionally he goes after anyone if it makes for a good riff. I do recall a LOT of Governor Ventura riffs, however.
 
2012-11-03 01:00:42 PM  

NeoCortex42: UNC_Samurai: I've seen Cinematic Titanic live, and I was very impressed.

/liked Joel and Mike
//only bad decision they ever made was making Mary Jo the on-screen villain. She was a good writer, just not good on camera.

She did alright during host segments when she had bit parts before becoming Pearl.


Miss Jan-in-the-Pan.
 
2012-11-03 01:04:35 PM  
JOIKE!
 
2012-11-03 01:24:02 PM  
To all of you biatching about what I said:

I still like Mike as a comedian of course and still love MST3K.

But Mike is not just conservative, he's a loony conservative. He's a farking nut, unless something has changed. So personally, he is reprehensible.
 
2012-11-03 01:33:29 PM  
img818.imageshack.us

Who knew Joel was such a stud?
 
2012-11-03 01:39:34 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mike is a loony conservative windbag.

No thx.


Is he still? I didn't want to mention it, but I read an interview with him a while back and he was total Libertarian flake, maybe even worse. I think he was going off on Clinton for some stupid reason that was common at the time. Makes me hard to like him, sadly enough.

You guys have never heard of separating an entertainer's work from his politics? You expect your comedians to all have the same views as you? In my case, I know that Kevin Murphy is an annoying liberal, and probably contributed many left-wing zingers to MST3K, but I ignore it 'cause he's farking funny. He and Mike seem to have no problem working together after all these years despite their political differences. Get the sticks out of your asses why don't you.


I think people find it strange because as a general rule, conservatives aren't funny. But I suppose there are exceptions to every rule.

/likes the Sci-Fi Channell years and Rifftrax
 
2012-11-03 01:56:22 PM  

JosephFinn: I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)


You mean you missed the Norman prequel at Birdemic live?
 
2012-11-03 02:09:06 PM  

MrEricSir: [img818.imageshack.us image 341x450]

Who knew Joel was such a stud?


"Its magic! I aint gotta explain shiat!"
 
2012-11-03 02:36:09 PM  

magneticmushroom: Everything is ruined forever.


Ah, the background cry from every TransFormer forum ever!
 
2012-11-03 02:46:08 PM  
Slab Bulkhead!
 
2012-11-03 03:42:54 PM  
Punt Speedchunk!
 
2012-11-03 03:48:59 PM  

DarkLancelot: JosephFinn: I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)

You mean you missed the Norman prequel at Birdemic live?


Has anyone figure out what the point of those films are? They seriously don't seem to teach or convey anything other than "be happy your life doesn't suck as bad as this guy's".
 
2012-11-03 03:50:21 PM  

taliesinwi: DarkLancelot: JosephFinn: I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)

You mean you missed the Norman prequel at Birdemic live?

Has anyone figure out what the point of those films are? They seriously don't seem to teach or convey anything other than "be happy your life doesn't suck as bad as this guy's".


I wouldn't be surprised if it's a series that ends with Norman up in a bell tower.
 
2012-11-03 04:17:42 PM  

Farktologist: Punt Speedchunk!


We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese.
 
2012-11-03 04:40:25 PM  
Differences between Joel and Mike that I NEVER see mentioned are these:

Yes, Mike wrote for Joel, but Joel never wrote for Mike. Who know what a Mike segment written by Joel would have been like.

Joel treated the premise of the show with more integrity than Mike - it was after all Joel's idea. I think Joel wanted in part to have a "universe" of his own, like STAR TREK and LOST IN SPACE.

Mike, on the other hand, spent most of his episodes trying to break the mold - until he saw that it was fine the way it was. At first Mike spent many episode trying to escape the SOL, or switching places with Dr. Forrester or Pearl, or just leaving the SOL all the time.

In my opinion, Mike did more films that didn't "deserve" the stigma of "bad movies." We can argue about that, but some lesser films aren't necessarily bad.

At the end of the series you can see that after all this experimentation, he fell back to what worked, which is what Joel created in the first place.
 
2012-11-03 04:43:04 PM  

DarkLancelot: JosephFinn: I was at the Rifftrax Live in September, and I think I was actually annoying the people next to me from how I was wheezing at trying to catch my breath. Something about the Norman short, with him trying to just...get...out...of...the...airport....parking...lot...was killing me.

Oh, Norman. (Amazingly, it appears to be part of a Showtime promo from 1980.)

You mean you missed the Norman prequel at Birdemic live?


Sadly yes! Was it his entire four hour flight and his attempt to get a scotch?
 
2012-11-03 04:52:23 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I don't follow the show religiously, but there seemed to be a good period with Joel, then Mike came along and it was excellent, then, at some point in time, the show kinda started to suck, especially the skits. I remember there being an obese lady that became one of the regulars, and the two (sucking and her) seemed to line up.

What happened, oh MST3K fans?


Sci-Fi Channel happened. When they picked up MST3K, they demanded an ongoing storyline outside the theater and that they only do sci-fi, horror, and fantasy movies (that part didn't bother me, most of their best episodes involved one of them). At one point Sci-Fi wanted them to cut down the number of skits.
 
2012-11-03 04:56:26 PM  

Son of Thunder: Farktologist: Punt Speedchunk!

We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese.


BOB JOHNSON!

Oh, wait.
 
2012-11-03 06:15:31 PM  

taliesinwi: Has anyone figure out what the point of those films are? They seriously don't seem to teach or convey anything other than "be happy your life doesn't suck as bad as this guy's".


"Life sucks" observational humor was popular for a time.

"Life sucks... that's the joke folks."
 
2012-11-03 08:24:27 PM  
Don't neglect Film Crew. They only did a few, but they are available on Netflix and quite good.
 
2012-11-03 08:36:40 PM  

MikeyistheDevil: Don't neglect Film Crew. They only did a few, but they are available on Netflix and quite good.


Eh, Film Crew is just a Rifftrax prototype.

Fun facts about Film Crew...

The episodes were created for Rhino, but remained unreleased for a couple years because Jim Mallon threatened to pull the license for MST3K from Rhino if they dared to release something from other riffers that he didn't own. So, Shout Factory picked up the Film Crew stuff and released it a few years later, after Rifftrax had began, but before Shout acquired the MST3K license.

And, since Shout eventually got MST3K, Film Crew sets had been destroyed and Rifftrax was a success, no more Film Crew episodes were ever made.

/The More You Know... how much of a prick Jim Mallon is.
 
2012-11-03 09:47:32 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: But Mike is not just conservative, he's a loony conservative. He's a farking nut, unless something has changed. So personally, he is reprehensible.


[citation needed]
Otherwise STFU

I can enjoy plenty of left-wing entertainers despite their politics and some of the hate they spew.

/and they say "progressives" are more open-minded. HA!
 
2012-11-03 10:48:50 PM  

MikeyistheDevil: Don't neglect Film Crew. They only did a few, but they are available on Netflix and quite good.


And I think all four films are on YouTube as well.
 
2012-11-04 01:20:43 AM  
hmmm...Waffles.

or this
http://youtu.be/z6lyued1qHw
 
2012-11-04 07:58:57 AM  
I'm with Team Mike. I lose it every time they rip on Joe Don Baker with random fart and burp noises.
 
2012-11-04 01:05:05 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: Ah, the background cry from every TransFormer forum ever!


TRUKK NOT MIKE NELSUN
 
2012-11-04 05:17:35 PM  

Mrbogey: Moskowitz


Because the republicans of "even" the 80s are not the republicans of today. They're vile pieces of shiat. I respect republicans all the way up to Bush the senior, even though they don't deserve it. After that they stopped being CIA assholes right into the Dr. Evil type farks you simpletons don't get.

You dull casuals need to start with Kermit Roosevelt and work your way up.
 
2012-11-04 06:43:09 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Because the republicans of "even" the 80s are not the republicans of today. They're vile pieces of shiat. I respect republicans all the way up to Bush the senior, even though they don't deserve it. After that they stopped being CIA assholes right into the Dr. Evil type farks you simpletons don't get.

You dull casuals need to start with Kermit Roosevelt and work your way up.


Mmmhhhmmm.... do go on.
 
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