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(CBS News)   For those bemoaning the loss of civility in the elections, let's look back to 1800 when Jefferson's opponent (an allegeded mentally unbalanced hermaphrodite) claimed a victory would mean murder, rape and robbery in the streets   (cbsnews.com) divider line 89
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2012-11-03 12:05:21 AM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-03 12:17:13 AM  
I'm an independent.

TELL ME MOAR
 
2012-11-03 12:22:27 AM  
As an undecided voter, I don't like the idea of a hermaphrodite as President, but at the same time, I don't want to be guillotined. I think I'll need to see the results of the next debate before I decide.
 
2012-11-03 12:29:41 AM  

Mentat: As an undecided voter, I don't like the idea of a hermaphrodite as President, but at the same time, I don't want to be guillotined. I think I'll need to see the results of the next debate before I decide.


What troubles me about both candidates is that when subjected to the "inflatable love doll" test, she farted and then flew out the window.
 
2012-11-03 12:32:55 AM  
Saturday night again already?
 
2012-11-03 12:36:57 AM  
That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.
 
2012-11-03 12:38:18 AM  

WelldeadLink: Saturday night again already?


Somewhere in the world,surely.

/ok so i wont call you shirley any more
//no matter how much you like it
 
2012-11-03 01:05:09 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.


What's really sad is that you could go back 2000 and it would still be the same
 
2012-11-03 01:24:38 AM  
"Yet Jefferson lives" - John Adams; July 4th 1826

Jefferson unavailable for comment.

/ blame Hamilton 
 
2012-11-03 01:50:47 AM  

Mentat: As an undecided voter, I don't like the idea of a hermaphrodite as President


Oh, like you non-hermaphrodites have done such a stellar job of things!
 
2012-11-03 01:54:01 AM  

Richard Saunders: "Yet Jefferson lives" - John Adams; July 4th 1826

Jefferson unavailable for comment.

/ blame Hamilton


It was one of those strange historical fact that two of the major influences in the Declaration, died on the 50th anniversary of the document.

Except, of course, it wasn't actually signed on the 4th.

Nor was it completely signed until later.


But there is ONE thing that people are forgetting. It used to be that the Presidential Candidates, were above the pettiness. The local politico people would lie and scam...but candidates would refrain from engaging in such politics to reflect the dignity that Washington had
 
2012-11-03 05:48:36 AM  
Yes, but back then one didn't have the town crier stopping every sentence to scream that Jefferson was soft on the Hessian or have the pony express coming to one's window every six minutes to yell in the window that Jefferson would prevent me from mixing delicious saltpeter in my johnnycakes.
 
2012-11-03 07:58:56 AM  
Was he wrong?
 
2012-11-03 08:05:38 AM  
Needs more fire tong duels.
 
2012-11-03 08:06:47 AM  
Jefferson was a slave-owner. The hermaphrodite wins.

/fk you, subby: slavery meant murder, rape and robbery
//subby's an asshole...
///...just like southern apologist wringing their hands over yankee atrocities while ignoring their own
 
2012-11-03 08:16:17 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.


And then we're damn proud of ourselves!

Right, tea baggers?
 
2012-11-03 08:20:40 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Fark Me To Tears: That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.

What's really sad is that you could go back 2000 and it would still be the same


That's what I wish I understood better. This facet of the human mind that says, "This side good, that side bad", and is incapable and unwilling to search any further. It's as if humans are too stupid to actually solve problems, instead relying on yes/no thought patterns to form opinions.
 
2012-11-03 08:23:03 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.


So true. If you ever get the chance, go to the Lincoln library and museum in Springfield, IL. Some of the campaign literature there was unbelievable.
 
2012-11-03 08:23:27 AM  
the candidates should be given TV time to be increasingly horrible at each other for the amusement of all. seeing president obama zinging willard romney with 'yo momma' burns would be delicious. i for one want the future leader of our country to prove he is quick of wit and sharp of tongue.
 
2012-11-03 08:27:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm an independent.

TELL ME MOAR


Both sides are bad

/So vote Democratic-Republican
 
2012-11-03 08:30:10 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Fark Me To Tears: That's one thing that I love about this country. When talking about 21st century nastiness, we harken back to 19th century nastiness to show that we really haven't progressed that much in 200 years.

What's really sad is that you could go back 2000 and it would still be the same


I value indoor plumbing too much to go travelling in time.
 
2012-11-03 08:34:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm an independent.

TELL ME MOAR


Like did he have a car?
 
2012-11-03 08:35:52 AM  
It is true that politics in the early days of the republic were less civil than they are today. It is also true that politics in the early days of the republic culminated in a bloody, heartrending civil war.

Not saying there's necessarily causation there. Certainly, slavery was the single most important cause of the civil war. But I am saying "the founders did it moar" does not necessarily also mean "we should do it moar," or be any less concerned about incivility in our politics.
 
2012-11-03 08:36:58 AM  
Ah the 1800s when men were men and the standard for upholding an election in the face of voter "intimidation" (with a little more oomph than scary black men standing nearby) was that any man of "ordinary courage" could have made his way to the voting booth.

/interesting read
//secret ballot = cowardly, underhanded and despicable
 
2012-11-03 08:43:02 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Richard Saunders: "Yet Jefferson lives" - John Adams; July 4th 1826

Jefferson unavailable for comment.

/ blame Hamilton

It was one of those strange historical fact that two of the major influences in the Declaration, died on the 50th anniversary of the document.

Except, of course, it wasn't actually signed on the 4th.

Nor was it completely signed until later.


But there is ONE thing that people are forgetting. It used to be that the Presidential Candidates, were above the pettiness. The local politico people would lie and scam...but candidates would refrain from engaging in such politics to reflect the dignity that Washington had


To be fair, most of that occurred back in the pre-Great Depression era when presidents were little more than just glorified figureheads who served only as a rubberstamp to approve congressional legislation. I can think of maybe 5 presidents before FDR who took a truly "proactive" stance while holding the office: Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Wilson.

So back then, people didn't NEED to know what the actual presidential candidates were like because it was usually just assumed that, once elected, they wouldn't really be doing anything other than sitting around the White House with their thumb up their ass.

Now in the modern era when it's the president (and not congress) that shapes the national agenda the most, people tend to expect more personal engagement from the candidates during campaigns.
 
2012-11-03 08:44:32 AM  

Darth_Lukecash:
But there is ONE thing that people are forgetting. It used to be that the Presidential Candidates, were above the pettiness. The local politico people would lie and scam...but candidates would refrain from engaging in such politics to reflect the dignity that Washington had


Yeah, but they often directed much of it from behind the scenes. Is that really that much better?
 
2012-11-03 08:47:34 AM  
When Jackson ran, his opponent spent the entire campaign calling his wife a whore.
 
2012-11-03 08:53:08 AM  
Was there more to Adams' statement or did they really only have one flavor of rape back then?
 
2012-11-03 08:59:15 AM  
Every election has been the dirtiest, most mud-slinging, and just plain worst election ever, apt to cause a second American Revolution once all of the votes were counted.

Kind of like how the "children of today" have been the worst generation ever, starting from the time of the ancient Greeks.
 
2012-11-03 09:04:05 AM  

imontheinternet: When Jackson ran, his opponent spent the entire campaign calling his wife a whore.


Well, in all fairness...

nevermind.
 
2012-11-03 09:13:44 AM  
So, how was the civility in 1860?
 
2012-11-03 09:20:40 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: To be fair, most of that occurred back in the pre-Great Depression era when presidents were little more than just glorified figureheads who served only as a rubberstamp to approve congressional legislation.


A Romney presidency will return us to those glory days.
 
2012-11-03 09:25:10 AM  
Bring back the Alien and Sedition Acts!

Civility in politics is so rare, we actually have a name for the first time it occurred in this country (The Era of Good Feelings).
 
2012-11-03 09:29:28 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Civility, 1856

images.brisbanetimes.com.au

Civility, 2009



Note its a Southerner both times. Gentlemen, all.
 
2012-11-03 09:30:10 AM  

Wyalt Derp: the_vegetarian_cannibal: To be fair, most of that occurred back in the pre-Great Depression era when presidents were little more than just glorified figureheads who served only as a rubberstamp to approve congressional legislation.

A Romney presidency will return us to those glory days.


i1125.photobucket.com 

/jk
 
2012-11-03 09:35:28 AM  

Rashnu: Ah the 1800s when men were men and the standard for upholding an election in the face of voter "intimidation" (with a little more oomph than scary black men standing nearby) was that any man of "ordinary courage" could have made his way to the voting booth.

/interesting read
//secret ballot = cowardly, underhanded and despicable


thanks that was interesting
 
2012-11-03 10:02:57 AM  
when i clicked this link, at the top of the page i have an advertisement telling me just why we should stop Mourdock's extreme agenda, and vote for joe donnelly.

on the uppper right hand side of the page, i have an ad telling me that what i really need to do is to stop obamacare, and that can only be done by voting for mourdock.

civility isn't the issue anymore, at least in terms of advertising - it's the banality. 'You should vote to spite this guy, this idea, or this agenda' is about all it comes down to anymore. that isn't a mark of a lack of civility, that's a mark that indicates a lack of information and instead relies on emotion - all you need to know is that other guy really needs spited. that's it.
 
2012-11-03 10:04:51 AM  
Well to be honest John Adams (don't confuse him with his more famous cousin, Samuel) really was a flaming douchebag. Responsible for idiotic claptrap like "The Federalist papers" which plague our current times because of it's proto-Randian influence on certain right wing members of the Supreme Court
 
2012-11-03 10:14:21 AM  

imontheinternet: When Jackson ran, his opponent spent the entire campaign calling his wife a whore.


Wasn't that the younger Adams doing the mudslinging that time? Sounds like a family of jackasses.
 
2012-11-03 10:34:33 AM  
Apparently, Same Old shiat

Nice to know The Founding Fathers stood above it all...
Not quite the same vision you heard from history class.

No wonder they didn't trust ANYBODY and set up the system they did.
 
2012-11-03 10:35:12 AM  
claimed a victory would mean murder, rape and robbery in the streets

Well, to be fair... that is what the Twitter thugs are claiming if Obama loses.

 
2012-11-03 10:42:26 AM  
Keep your dick out of the mash potatoes and the centipedes out of your vagina and I don't care about your plumbing.
 
2012-11-03 10:46:48 AM  

Rashnu: Ah the 1800s when men were men and the standard for upholding an election in the face of voter "intimidation" (with a little more oomph than scary black men standing nearby) was that any man of "ordinary courage" could have made his way to the voting booth.

/interesting read
//secret ballot = cowardly, underhanded and despicable


By far one of the most interesting short reads I've read in too long of a time. Thanks.
 
2012-11-03 10:50:24 AM  

Rashnu: Ah the 1800s when men were men and the standard for upholding an election in the face of voter "intimidation" (with a little more oomph than scary black men standing nearby) was that any man of "ordinary courage" could have made his way to the voting booth.

/interesting read
//secret ballot = cowardly, underhanded and despicable


Check the bio.. Think she'd look good in my button down flipping omelets in the morning.
 
2012-11-03 11:05:42 AM  

Generation_D: [upload.wikimedia.org image 565x370]

Civility, 1856

[images.brisbanetimes.com.au image 420x419]

Civility, 2009


Note its a Southerner both times. Gentlemen, all.


I know many FARKERs have said this, but we should have let them go back in 1861. Both sides would be happier today, IMHO.

/ I'd still put up a border fence, however....
 
2012-11-03 11:17:52 AM  

Richard Saunders: "Yet Jefferson lives" - John Adams; July 4th 1826

Jefferson unavailable for comment.

/ blame Hamilton


So did Aaron Burr.
 
2012-11-03 11:24:16 AM  
The difference being that in 1800, the comment wasn't spread all over the world in half an hour, inviting everyone else in the world to fight about it too.

And today you have the "pundits" who can also spread their personal nastiness around the globe as fast as they can spew it out.
 
2012-11-03 11:39:29 AM  
I love how we champion the founding fathers as if they were gods of Asguard working towards common cause, when really so many of them HATED each other. It's a weird sight to see.

Come to think of it, the gods of Asguard didn't get along very much, either.
 
2012-11-03 11:44:21 AM  

imontheinternet: When Jackson ran, his opponent spent the entire campaign calling his wife a whore.


Jackson's opponent's wife probably was a whore. After all, Jackson's opponent would know that best...

/would he not?
 
2012-11-03 11:46:03 AM  
What are you talking about Subby? The right has said all of those things about Obama, except for the hermaphrodite thing, and more.
 
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