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2012-11-03 12:19:44 AM

nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]


[citation needed] (on the racism part)
 
2012-11-03 12:21:05 AM

nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]


About that...
 
2012-11-03 12:21:35 AM
Jeff Beck Group > Led Zep
Whitesnake > Led Zep


Wolfmother = Led Zep
 
2012-11-03 12:21:49 AM

mikemoto: To be fair subby, Dazed and Confused was ripped off from Jake Holmes, who was white Link


After listening to your link I would have say that Zeppelins Dazed and Confused was inspired by Holmes version not directly ripped off. The music is quite different and the lyrics were rewritten substantially.
 
2012-11-03 12:46:14 AM

Death Whisper: nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]

If Elvis was a racist, then Nelson Mandela was a Terrorist.


Link
 
2012-11-03 12:48:02 AM

Sgygus: Jeff Beck Group > Led Zep
Whitesnake > Led Zep

Wolfmother = Led Zep


Kingdom Come > Wolfmother
 
2012-11-03 12:52:10 AM
perfecttattoo.net
♪ ♫Though I'm not the first king of controversy, I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley. To do black music so selfishly, and use it to get myself wealthy!♪ ♫
 
2012-11-03 12:59:46 AM
A Led Zeppelin hate thread? We're used to it. Efffff uuuu haters...go away.

It's like some douchebag going into the Caturday thread saying they hate cats. GTFO!!!!!

RAMBLE ON!!!!
 
2012-11-03 01:02:04 AM

The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.


You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.
 
2012-11-03 01:20:43 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: Sgygus: Jeff Beck Group > Led Zep
Whitesnake > Led Zep

Wolfmother = Led Zep

Kingdom Come > Wolfmother


Kingdom Come > Kingdom Come
 
2012-11-03 02:11:11 AM

LewDux: Ryker's Peninsula: Sgygus: Jeff Beck Group > Led Zep
Whitesnake > Led Zep

Wolfmother = Led Zep

Kingdom Come > Wolfmother

Kingdom Come > Kingdom Come


Whoa...
I think you just won, and I still had the Dread Zeppelin AND Lez Zeppelin cards in my hand.
 
2012-11-03 02:14:53 AM

dobro: The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.

You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.


Actually they put their names on songs Willie Dixon an Howlin' Wolf wrote (and had published credits to) less than 15 years prior, and kept the the writer's royalties for themselves. They got caught, got sued, paid damages in a settlement, and changed subsequent pressings of their LPs to read (and account) properly.

Admittedly it was their scumbag manager Peter Grant more than Plant and Page etc. but it's a legal fact ad by no means is it them recording their own version of traditional songs. Nothing was "PD" as you suggest.

Back in the days of the music tab we went over this stuff in great detail, and settled it in duels to the death. Now get off my lawn.
 
2012-11-03 02:17:18 AM

douchebag/hater: That's funny.

I remember Page saying - at the time of CODA and a few other times over the years that there was nothing, NOTHING left in the vaults.

Now he says there are alternative versions of songs and from what he said each album has complete alternative versions.

Amazing.

You would think they had enough money by now.


Oh trust me, there's already studio outtakes and rarities out there. THEY just want to get the money for them this time.

Ryker's Peninsula: Whitesnake > Led Zep


YOU GO TO HELL!!! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!
 
2012-11-03 02:28:23 AM

The Dynamite Monkey: dobro: The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.

You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.

Actually they put their names on songs Willie Dixon an Howlin' Wolf wrote (and had published credits to) less than 15 years prior, and kept the the writer's royalties for themselves. They got caught, got sued, paid damages in a settlement, and changed subsequent pressings of their LPs to read (and account) properly.

Admittedly it was their scumbag manager Peter Grant more than Plant and Page etc. but it's a legal fact ad by no means is it them recording their own version of traditional songs. Nothing was "PD" as you suggest.

Back in the days of the music tab we went over this stuff in great detail, and settled it in duels to the death. Now get off my lawn.


Will Shade wrote an interesting article on this.
 
2012-11-03 04:09:02 AM

The Dynamite Monkey: dobro: The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.

You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.

Actually they put their names on songs Willie Dixon an Howlin' Wolf wrote (and had published credits to) less than 15 years prior, and kept the the writer's royalties for themselves. They got caught, got sued, paid damages in a settlement, and changed subsequent pressings of their LPs to read (and account) properly.

Admittedly it was their scumbag manager Peter Grant more than Plant and Page etc. but it's a legal fact ad by no means is it them recording their own version of traditional songs. Nothing was "PD" as you suggest.

Back in the days of the music tab we went over this stuff in great detail, and settled it in duels to the death. Now get off my lawn.


So let me get this straight:

Ripping off musicians for money = bad
Ripping off musicians for free music = A-OK

It seems in Fark Land we have selective enforcement of IP laws, eh?
 
2012-11-03 05:45:52 AM
CSB time. About '74 or so I was in a record store on Ramstein AFB and picked up IV. Airman standing next to me took it from me, put it back on the rack and said "There are too many copies of this album in the world already" and handed me a copy of Fun House instead.
 
2012-11-03 06:55:29 AM
maxwellhauser:
theflatline: notmtwain: Seriously, subby. You need a bigger database. There are bigger injustices than this to burn your candle for

Great band, but they ripped songs off from black and white alike, and denied it, and even manufactured stories from where the inspiration came, and only until they were brought to court did they admit or bought the robbed parties off.

I thought we were talking about Led Zeppelin, not the Beatles....


DISPARAGE NOT THE HOLY BEATLES! POPULAR MUSIC DIED AFTER "REVOLVER"! JOHN LENNON INVENTED THE GUITAR DID YOU KNOW THAT.
 
2012-11-03 07:12:06 AM

sparkeyjames: mikemoto: To be fair subby, Dazed and Confused was ripped off from Jake Holmes, who was white Link

After listening to your link I would have say that Zeppelins Dazed and Confused was inspired by Holmes version not directly ripped off. The music is quite different and the lyrics were rewritten substantially.


I partly agree with you but the Yardbirds (Page's band before Led Zeppelin) also did this song and the lyrics sound more like the Holmes version. Link
 
2012-11-03 08:06:22 AM
Do people really think it's intelligent or clever to state "Led ZeepelIne CopeIEd all Their MUsiK!!!!11"?
 
2012-11-03 08:30:49 AM
Hey subby, not all Zeppelin songs were rip offs of old blues songs. They also ripped off Tolkien as well.
 
2012-11-03 08:34:21 AM

douchebag/hater: That's funny.

I remember Page saying - at the time of CODA and a few other times over the years that there was nothing, NOTHING left in the vaults.

Now he says there are alternative versions of songs and from what he said each album has complete alternative versions.

Amazing.

You would think they had enough money by now.


You'd think that if they really wanted more money they'd let their music be on Rockband and Rocksmith.
 
2012-11-03 08:42:31 AM

Martstar: jmadisonbiii: Saw Plant in Clarksdale, MS in August at a Blues Festival.

Did he walk into town?


No, he took the last train.
 
2012-11-03 08:43:38 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: What the hell is a lead zepplin? Wouldn't it crash if it was made with lead? An aluminium or titanium zepplin sounds like a much better idea.


www.futuresack.com


/WTH is wrong with you people that I am first with this?
 
2012-11-03 08:57:23 AM
I'mma let you all finish, but "Your Time is Gonna Come" has the greatest acoustic guitar ever played

//okay maybe not the ~greatest~, but really good.
 
2012-11-03 09:40:59 AM

nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]


This is absolutely not true. Elvis was not a racist, and contrary to what a lot of people like to believe, he acknowledged the enormous debt he owed to black musicians. A lot of those guys during the Sun Records era grew up around, worked with, and wrote music with black musicians. Carl Perkins learned blues from an elderly man he picked cotton with.
 
2012-11-03 09:44:42 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Robert Plant that slimy fark
John Bonham man, he really sucks
Those greedy farkers, those phoney shiats
They made their money off idiots
I hate Led Zeppelin


Screeching Weasel was the soundtrack to my college years.

+1 internets.
 
2012-11-03 10:12:17 AM

contrapunctus: nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]

This is absolutely not true. Elvis was not a racist, and contrary to what a lot of people like to believe, he acknowledged the enormous debt he owed to black musicians. A lot of those guys during the Sun Records era grew up around, worked with, and wrote music with black musicians. Carl Perkins learned blues from an elderly man he picked cotton with.


Elvis probably had black blood in him.
 
2012-11-03 10:25:32 AM

The Dynamite Monkey: dobro: The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.

You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.

Actually they put their names on songs Willie Dixon an Howlin' Wolf wrote (and had published credits to) less than 15 years prior, and kept the the writer's royalties for themselves. They got caught, got sued, paid damages in a settlement, and changed subsequent pressings of their LPs to read (and account) properly.

Admittedly it was their scumbag manager Peter Grant more than Plant and Page etc. but it's a legal fact ad by no means is it them recording their own version of traditional songs. Nothing was "PD" as you suggest.

Back in the days of the music tab we went over this stuff in great detail, and settled it in duels to the death. Now get off my lawn.


I met, and talked with Willie Dixon back in '90 I believe. I asked him how he felt about Zeppelin, and he laughed and said "A lot of us old blues guys were upset about recordings without acknowledgment or compensation back then. We were starting to fade out, and those newer English boys were selling out Madison Square Garden. It was part that, and to be honest, part jealousy. There's no denying those boys were good, and doing different things with our ideas. And that's what it's about really, is keeping the music alive" csb end
 
2012-11-03 10:30:24 AM
In 1985, Dixon received an out-of-court settlement from Led Zeppelin after suing them for unauthorized use of his lyrics on the 1962 Muddy Waters track "You Need Love," for their track, "Whole Lotta Love."

/C$B
 
2012-11-03 10:39:56 AM

LewDux: In 1985, Dixon received an out-of-court settlement from Led Zeppelin after suing them for unauthorized use of his lyrics on the 1962 Muddy Waters track "You Need Love," for their track, "Whole Lotta Love."

/C$B


Yeah, I'm sure Mr Dixon might not have been so content with his recollections had he not been rewarded (rightly so) for his contributions. It is business, but I got the impression he was mostly about the music, and it's legacy.
 
2012-11-03 10:50:27 AM
Name any popular classic rock act and I probably love their music and at least have a greatest hits compilation if not a complete discography, but for some reason I never connected with Led Zeppelin. I don't hate them, and there are songs I enjoy when I hear them, yet even in my most stoned-out days I couldn't really get into the band on a broader level.
 
2012-11-03 10:53:27 AM

jj325: WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Listening to Led Zeppelin (and The Stones/Yardbirds/Cream/The Who) inspired me to seek out and buy a lot of music recorded by old Black bluesmen.

Influences---you can't explain that


I'll admit my first exposure to the blues came from Cream albums...however, all these years on I never listen to Cream but DO listen to the originals by the original blues artists.
 
2012-11-03 10:53:35 AM
It's been my experience that the people who complain the most about Zeppelin stealing from old Blues artists are the same people who brag about never paying for music themselves.

/You complain about Zeppelin stealing music and you're hip and cool
//Lars complains about people stealing his music and he's a douchebag
///Justify all you want---it's the same thing
 
2012-11-03 11:48:49 AM

LewDux: Ryker's Peninsula: Sgygus: Jeff Beck Group > Led Zep
Whitesnake > Led Zep

Wolfmother = Led Zep

Kingdom Come > Wolfmother

Kingdom Come > Kingdom Come



Nobody > RUSH

(Oh, come on. You knew SOMEONE was going to troll this eventually...)
 
2012-11-03 11:54:57 AM

jj325: It's been my experience that the people who complain the most about Zeppelin stealing from old Blues artists are the same people who brag about never paying for music themselves.

/You complain about Zeppelin stealing music and you're hip and cool
//Lars complains about people stealing his music and he's a douchebag
///Justify all you want---it's the same thing


Really now...so music pirates are putting their own name to the song credits?

Your strawman is wet and weak.
 
2012-11-03 11:59:41 AM
"Carouselambra" is an obvious Howlin' Wolf ripoff. And the first time I heard I heard "The Immigrant Song", I thought it was some obscure Robert Johnson record.
 
2012-11-03 12:16:03 PM

dobro: You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.


Not really true. When it comes to Robert Johnson, everything is messy.

When the Depression hit, a lot of small record labels went under. The music they released was basically orphaned, out there in the world on 78 with no one representing it or planning to re-release it. So by the late 60s, some fans of old music took to releasing albums of these orphaned recordings; things like the Anthology of American Folk Music and a very famous 2-disc set of all the known Robert Johnson sides.

When the Stones put out "Love in Vain" on Let it Bleed, it was assumed that A) it was a traditional folk tune and B) the recording/arrangement was out of copyright. Both of these things turned out not to be true, but there was no way they could have known that at the time.

It took until the 70s for some of the big record companies to look at their catalogs and realize they actually owned a lot of these early blues and folk sides (they'd bought companies which had bought comapnies which had bought indy labels which went under in the 30s) and they started enforcing their copyrights and fighting with groups like Zeppelin and the Stones over royalties. They didn't do this out of the goodness of their hearts; they did it for money. And the blues musicians who were still alive at the time didn't see a penny. Robert Johnson's heirs and descendants don't get any money from his music; Sony does.
 
2012-11-03 12:43:00 PM

mikemoto: To be fair subby, Dazed and Confused was ripped off from Jake Holmes, who was white Link


Never heard that one, yea thats pretty blatant.
 
2012-11-03 01:06:43 PM

sparkeyjames: mikemoto: To be fair subby, Dazed and Confused was ripped off from Jake Holmes, who was white Link

After listening to your link I would have say that Zeppelins Dazed and Confused was inspired by Holmes version not directly ripped off. The music is quite different and the lyrics were rewritten substantially.


The "ripping off" part is from when they pretended that they wrote it.
 
2012-11-03 02:14:18 PM
Have fun denying this, deniers:

Led Zeppelin Plagiarism Part 1: http://youtu.be/JyvLsutfI5M

Led Zeppelin Plagiarism Part 2: http://youtu.be/zThdTAWQFAQ

Led Zeppelin Plagiarism Part 3: http://youtu.be/K5uMQDlKn8g
 
2012-11-03 02:30:25 PM

nmemkha: Did it ironically (given his unapologetic racism):

[www.8notes.com image 344x344]


Where the hell did you get that? I have seen numerous interviews where he tirelessly thanked and gave credit to black musicians. He vouched for them hoping to get them in the mainstream.
 
2012-11-03 03:43:58 PM

Drunk Astronaut: Have fun denying this, deniers:


I don't see anyone "denying" anything here, but... uh... thanks?
 
2012-11-03 04:10:40 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Drunk Astronaut: Have fun denying this, deniers:

I don't see anyone "denying" anything here, but... uh... thanks?


Maybe Zeppelin gets credit for these song because they did them right?
 
2012-11-03 07:29:54 PM
Whoa, wait, you mean somebody became famous and managed to do so and keep themselves in the spotlight in a questionable manner? That never happens!

Just think, the end result of a lot of their work was fantastic and still sounds better than any of the crap that subby and all the haters could come up with, whether that product be original or "ripped off".

But hey, who am I to judge? I'll never get why you listen to today's pop music, so go out and buy "Now That's What I Call Music 294" and enjoy the terrible worthlessness of your generation's music.
 
2012-11-04 12:47:48 AM
I highly recommend "Celebration Day".

Don't give a shiat about "they ripped off!!!" whining.
 
2012-11-04 01:56:52 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Drunk Astronaut: Have fun denying this, deniers:

I don't see anyone "denying" anything here, but... uh... thanks?


This. They ripped off songs. I happen to enjoy listening to the ripoffs because they did them so much better.

Can we stop talking about this every time their name gets brought up? It's like with Metallica, we had 10 years of "They used to be good, but now they suck" and the whole time I frustratingly reminded people, "Yeah, that's what bands do when they get older, they start to suck. Why are you acting like this is some kind of revelation that you're the first to notice?"
 
2012-11-04 06:26:40 AM
I'm glad the Allman Brothers didn't claim to have written Statesboro Blues or Stormy Monday. They had it all over Zeppelin, and had boatloads of integrity.
 
2012-11-04 11:45:33 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: The Dynamite Monkey: dobro: The Downfall: Hey subby, screw off!

WTF Indeed: Pretty much all Rock & Roll is music ripped off old Black bluesman.

Also, this.

You miss the point; Led Zeppelin and the Stones as well actually took authorship credit for some P.D. old blues tunes by guys like Robert Johnson and others. ("P.D." means "public domain" meaning the copyright ran out.) That's subby's point and a good one.

Actually they put their names on songs Willie Dixon an Howlin' Wolf wrote (and had published credits to) less than 15 years prior, and kept the the writer's royalties for themselves. They got caught, got sued, paid damages in a settlement, and changed subsequent pressings of their LPs to read (and account) properly.

Admittedly it was their scumbag manager Peter Grant more than Plant and Page etc. but it's a legal fact ad by no means is it them recording their own version of traditional songs. Nothing was "PD" as you suggest.

Back in the days of the music tab we went over this stuff in great detail, and settled it in duels to the death. Now get off my lawn.

So let me get this straight:

Ripping off musicians for money = bad
Ripping off musicians for free music = A-OK

It seems in Fark Land we have selective enforcement of IP laws, eh?


Huh? Who said anything about that?
 
2012-11-04 01:09:19 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: Very rarely do I hear an "alternate take" that doesn't just sound like the same song that they messed up on during recording.


In the case of Led Zeppelin especially, you've heard the released versions of the songs so many times -- especially if you listen to Classic Rock Radio -- that any deviation from that version seems like a mistake.

A lot of jazz records got a bunch of alternate takes tacked on when they were re-released on CD, and in those cases the alternates are often interesting and different enough to be worth listening to.
 
2012-11-04 01:18:06 PM

The President of Hittin' That Ass: As a long-time Led Zeppelin worshiper, I've always been impressed that they never were seduced by the "outtakes and alternate takes" reissue idea. Made the original albums that much more powerful, I have always felt -- as if they just couldn't interfere with perfection.


I see you've blocked out the memory of the puzzling morass of remastered Led Zeppelin box sets they released in 1990 and 1993.
 
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