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2012-11-02 04:28:15 PM
Sadly, this does seem to happen.

My uncle is blind and mentally disabled and lives in a group home with about 15 other people who are also mentally disabled and blind. None of them had ever been registered to vote (most are about 45-60). However the last election the person incharge of their home registered them all to vote absentee, and ticked Obama on each of their ballots. They didn't get to choose.

Hell even my mother took my grandmother's ballot, (who had severe alzheimers and had the brain power of a beet) and sent it in with a vote for Obama, despite the fact my grandmother had been a staunch republican her whole life, and loved McCain. She even did little old lady volunteering back in the primaries for McCain in the 2000 election, whatever they have old ladies do for campaigns. After my mother informed me of this, I didn't speak to her for months, even though I am a die hard liberal and Obama supporter.
 
2012-11-02 04:35:32 PM

Teknowaffle: Sadly, this does seem to happen.

My uncle is blind and mentally disabled and lives in a group home with about 15 other people who are also mentally disabled and blind. None of them had ever been registered to vote (most are about 45-60). However the last election the person incharge of their home registered them all to vote absentee, and ticked Obama on each of their ballots. They didn't get to choose.

Hell even my mother took my grandmother's ballot, (who had severe alzheimers and had the brain power of a beet) and sent it in with a vote for Obama, despite the fact my grandmother had been a staunch republican her whole life, and loved McCain. She even did little old lady volunteering back in the primaries for McCain in the 2000 election, whatever they have old ladies do for campaigns. After my mother informed me of this, I didn't speak to her for months, even though I am a die hard liberal and Obama supporter.


If it's any consolation, I'm sure it happens on both sides of the aisle. Hopefully it balances itself out.

/lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square
 
2012-11-02 04:43:53 PM

nekom:

If it's any consolation, I'm sure it happens on both sides of the aisle. Hopefully it balances itself out.

/lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square


I do believe that Obama is the best choice for those who can't help themselves, but I can't think of a way to phrase it that doesn't make it sound like the mentally disabled should vote, but I also believe that the wherewithall to understand what you are doing is a requirement. I feel like doing what the house "dad" did would be like getting a ballot for your friend who can't be arsed to vote and choosing for him. Or to go further, taking a ballot of a poor black person who voted for Romney and changing it to Obama because you feel Obama would be more benificial to their needs.
 
2012-11-02 04:48:02 PM
millions of mentally disabled people who will vote for Obama this year...

/rimshot
 
2012-11-02 04:48:48 PM
Look, If we start putting some kind of competency requirement on voting, the republicans would be doomed. Not gonna happen.
 
2012-11-02 04:49:36 PM
Hey, if we're gonna allow the Tea Party, Birthers, Randians who aren't ultra-rich, and generally Texas to vote, we should allow those mentally handicapped on the Left to vote too.
 
2012-11-02 05:30:15 PM
The mentally disabled are being exploited for votes. Not that you can tell the difference around election time anyway

i279.photobucket.com 

??
 
2012-11-02 05:30:30 PM

nekom: /lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square


I don't see a whole lot of Republicans with that sort of sentiment.
They don't care how they win, as long as they win.
Fair and square? What the hell does that mean?
 
2012-11-02 05:31:42 PM
Yes... we call them "Republicans"
 
2012-11-02 05:33:13 PM
Actually, it's the mentally disabled people who are running for office that scare me.

/they're a legitimate gift from god.
 
2012-11-02 05:35:34 PM

Teknowaffle: Sadly, this does seem to happen.

My uncle is blind and mentally disabled and lives in a group home with about 15 other people who are also mentally disabled and blind. None of them had ever been registered to vote (most are about 45-60). However the last election the person incharge of their home registered them all to vote absentee, and ticked Obama on each of their ballots. They didn't get to choose.

Hell even my mother took my grandmother's ballot, (who had severe alzheimers and had the brain power of a beet) and sent it in with a vote for Obama, despite the fact my grandmother had been a staunch republican her whole life, and loved McCain. She even did little old lady volunteering back in the primaries for McCain in the 2000 election, whatever they have old ladies do for campaigns. After my mother informed me of this, I didn't speak to her for months, even though I am a die hard liberal and Obama supporter.


I call SHENANIGANS. If this story about your uncle is accurate, why didn't you report this as voter fraud?

My sister is mentally retarded but she's been a registered voter since she came of age. I've walked through her absentee ballot, explaining ALL the candidates, amendments, etc, and put down what she prefers. She's pretty high level and knows more than a lot of relatively normal voters, IMHO. I just worked out her absentee ballot address change since she moved into a group home since our mom died.

Voter fraud is not cool and is illegal, no matter who does it.
 
2012-11-02 05:47:29 PM

AirForceVet:

I call SHENANIGANS. If this story about your uncle is accurate, why didn't you report this as voter fraud?

My sister is mentally retarded but she's been a registered voter since she came of age. I've walked through her absentee ballot, explaining ALL the candidates, amendments, etc, and put down what she prefers. She's pretty high level...

Voter fraud is not cool and is illegal, no matter who does it.


It is true, and it was shennanies, but the thought of reporting it actually scared me a lot, even now 4 years later, as my uncle has never done as well as he had under this home leader. To risk the chance of taking that away from him would be one of the worst things I could imagine doing.

My uncle functions well for a multiply handicapped person (again, blind and brain damaged), the highest of his household, but yeah, most of the others wouldn't put on clothes if they weren't told to. If you were to present the strengths and weaknesses of both candidates and their policies, they couldn't choose.
 
2012-11-02 05:47:52 PM
LOL REPUBLICAN JOKE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know that.
 
2012-11-02 05:52:17 PM

Teknowaffle: If you were to present the strengths and weaknesses of both candidates and their policies, they couldn't choose.


I think then it is up to the caretaker - their legal guardian - to make that decision for them, in their best interests. Democrats generally and Obama / Biden in particular - as opposed to Romney / Ryan - is a vote in the best interests of the disabled.
 
2012-11-02 06:04:52 PM

vernonFL: Teknowaffle: If you were to present the strengths and weaknesses of both candidates and their policies, they couldn't choose.

I think then it is up to the caretaker - their legal guardian - to make that decision for them, in their best interests. Democrats generally and Obama / Biden in particular - as opposed to Romney / Ryan - is a vote in the best interests of the disabled.


That is where I think the 640009 Justice question lies, does someone else get make that decision?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-02 06:05:52 PM

Via Infinito: nekom: /lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square

I don't see a whole lot of Republicans with that sort of sentiment.
They don't care how they win, as long as they win.
Fair and square? What the hell does that mean?


That means that you are a pussy.
 
2012-11-02 06:23:47 PM
(* opens the door; peeks in on thread *)

vpb: That means that you are a pussy.



Holy crap! (* quietly backs out and closes the door*)
 
2012-11-02 06:27:46 PM

vpb: Via Infinito: nekom: /lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square

I don't see a whole lot of Republicans with that sort of sentiment.
They don't care how they win, as long as they win.
Fair and square? What the hell does that mean?

That means that you are a pussy.


Very true. Politics is a blood sport, and there are no rules, as long as you stay out of jail. And sometimes even if someone does have to go to jail.
 
2012-11-02 06:28:44 PM

vpb: Via Infinito: nekom: /lefty
//want Obama to win
///but only fair and square

I don't see a whole lot of Republicans with that sort of sentiment.
They don't care how they win, as long as they win.
Fair and square? What the hell does that mean?

That means that you are a pussy.


Pretty much. So what does "fair and balanced" mean then?
 
2012-11-02 06:36:38 PM

Fark Me To Tears: (* opens the door; peeks in on thread *)

vpb: That means that you are a pussy.


Holy crap! (* quietly backs out and closes the door*)


I prefer this:

i575.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-02 06:39:37 PM

Teknowaffle: It is true, and it was shennanies, but the thought of reporting it actually scared me a lot, even now 4 years later, as my uncle has never done as well as he had under this home leader. To risk the chance of taking that away from him would be one of the worst things I could imagine doing.


So you're willing to permit a small evil in order to create a greater good for your uncle?

Because that's exactly what his caretaker did.
 
2012-11-02 06:59:14 PM
How is a mentally disabled person being "told" to vote for Obama any different from your average mouth-breather being told by Rush Limbaugh?
 
2012-11-02 07:26:01 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, it's the mentally disabled people who are running for office that scare me.


Hey! they needs jobs too!
 
2012-11-02 07:40:57 PM
Ah, yes, but else would the pundits do?
 
2012-11-02 07:41:25 PM

GAT_00: Fark Me To Tears: (* opens the door; peeks in on thread *)

vpb: That means that you are a pussy.

Holy crap! (* quietly backs out and closes the door*)

I prefer this:

[i575.photobucket.com image 300x166]


Personally I like this one:

i.imgur.com

I'm out.
 
2012-11-02 07:43:55 PM
Not a big deal. There is a sliding scale of intellect and knowledge. Just because we have a label that sounds like it has a firmly drawn line (mentally disabled) doesn't mean that there isn't someone just slightly not mentally retarded who is running around stumping for the tea party.


Also, if retarded people's votes shouldn't count, then should brilliant people's votes count for extra? We have to accept the bad with the good when it comes to having an elected leader. The best we can do is push for honesty in political discourse and debunk the garbage as it rears its head.

I had someone tell me at work today that Obama is using fema money on blacks only. No evidence, but he is sure he is right because "I haven't seen Obama go anywhere the storm hit where white people are". Twist: the guy saying this is puerto rican. I see no difference between him being tricked into voting for Romney as to save us from socialism than I do an a person retarded to the point they can't function without help, tbh.
 
2012-11-02 07:44:00 PM
Once had the dubious honor of getting a Demonrat canvasser thrown out of a facility I worked in after seeing her fill out and sign a registration card for a woman in a coma. I see it every election with the Dems.
 
2012-11-02 07:44:30 PM
It gets harder and harder to trust in humanity. This is disgusting.
 
2012-11-02 07:45:13 PM

Teknowaffle: Sadly, this does seem to happen.

My uncle is blind and mentally disabled and lives in a group home with about 15 other people who are also mentally disabled and blind. None of them had ever been registered to vote (most are about 45-60). However the last election the person incharge of their home registered them all to vote absentee, and ticked Obama on each of their ballots. They didn't get to choose.

Hell even my mother took my grandmother's ballot, (who had severe alzheimers and had the brain power of a beet) and sent it in with a vote for Obama, despite the fact my grandmother had been a staunch republican her whole life, and loved McCain. She even did little old lady volunteering back in the primaries for McCain in the 2000 election, whatever they have old ladies do for campaigns. After my mother informed me of this, I didn't speak to her for months, even though I am a die hard liberal and Obama supporter.


:( For as much as I'd like Obama to win, not like this.
 
2012-11-02 07:45:21 PM

Via Infinito: Pretty much. So what does "fair and balanced" mean then?


"Our focus groups responded well to this tagline."
 
2012-11-02 07:47:45 PM

part of the problem: Once had the dubious honor of getting a Demonrat canvasser thrown out of a facility I worked in after seeing her fill out and sign a registration card for a woman in a coma. I see it every election with the Dems.


Cool story, Rush.
 
2012-11-02 07:48:00 PM
Find the candidate Reagan would endorse and count the votes of the mentally disabled as voting for the other guy.

Fark you, Reagan.
 
2012-11-02 07:48:03 PM
The Koch brothers are exploiting the redundant teabaggers....

/They can not be called mentally disabled until they go out on a killing spree and murder many innocents, as per law
 
2012-11-02 07:48:09 PM

t3knomanser: Via Infinito: Pretty much. So what does "fair and balanced" mean then?

"Our focus groups responded well to this tagline."


Actually fair means light skinned, and balanced means proportional. Fox News: White and pretty!
 
2012-11-02 07:49:13 PM
Developmentally disabled Hoveround mobility scooter users?

/"Keep gubbermint our of my social security!"
 
2012-11-02 07:51:01 PM

xanadian: LOL REPUBLICAN JOKE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know that.


Rarely.
 
2012-11-02 07:52:18 PM

AirForceVet: Teknowaffle: Sadly, this does seem to happen.

My uncle is blind and mentally disabled and lives in a group home with about 15 other people who are also mentally disabled and blind. None of them had ever been registered to vote (most are about 45-60). However the last election the person incharge of their home registered them all to vote absentee, and ticked Obama on each of their ballots. They didn't get to choose.

Hell even my mother took my grandmother's ballot, (who had severe alzheimers and had the brain power of a beet) and sent it in with a vote for Obama, despite the fact my grandmother had been a staunch republican her whole life, and loved McCain. She even did little old lady volunteering back in the primaries for McCain in the 2000 election, whatever they have old ladies do for campaigns. After my mother informed me of this, I didn't speak to her for months, even though I am a die hard liberal and Obama supporter.

I call SHENANIGANS. If this story about your uncle is accurate, why didn't you report this as voter fraud?

My sister is mentally retarded but she's been a registered voter since she came of age. I've walked through her absentee ballot, explaining ALL the candidates, amendments, etc, and put down what she prefers. She's pretty high level and knows more than a lot of relatively normal voters, IMHO. I just worked out her absentee ballot address change since she moved into a group home since our mom died.

Voter fraud is not cool and is illegal, no matter who does it.


Quit bragging about your sister. Okay, she's smarter than any Republican, but why rub it in? Jeezzzzzz....
 
2012-11-02 07:52:56 PM

Smackledorfer: Also, if retarded people's votes shouldn't count, then should brilliant people's votes count for extra? We have to accept the bad with the good when it comes to having an elected leader. The best we can do is push for honesty in political discourse and debunk the garbage as it rears its head.


Exactly. Just because you're disabled in some way doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If Mongo decides that he likes Mitt Romney because saying Mitt out loud is funny, it's just as valid a reason as some moron voting for Romney because he's not black. Unless we want to create some huge bureaucracy to check in on every disabled person and ensure that they understand what is happening, or forbid them from voting altogether, a little fraud like coma patients voting is the price we have to pay.
 
2012-11-02 07:53:26 PM
Waitaminit blondie..... you just copped to the fact that this stuff goes on..... dont "cool story Rush" me. Ive worked with special needs populations for years and yes it is a bigger problem with dems... Just like other types of fraud seem to trend GOP. Just deal with it and admit your side did something evil.
 
2012-11-02 07:54:28 PM

dickfreckle: How is a mentally disabled person being "told" to vote for Obama any different from your average mouth-breather being told by Rush Limbaugh?


It's not, and that's the crux of this issue: There's no way to handle this without either creating a competency test (which violates the Civil Rights Act) or simply not allowing the mentally disabled to vote (which violates their Constitutional rights) by "forgetting" to give them a ballot. Assuming that all adults have the right to vote, which they do, then the retarded and the senile have just as much right to cast a ballot as anyone else.

So you give them a ballot, and ideally someone explains the difference between the parties to them in a way they can understand, they mark their ballots and send them in. What usually happens is that their family members or caregivers mark the ballots for them, for whoever the family member wants to win. Overall, those votes are going to cancel out because someone else in another state is doing the same thing for a different candidate.

Without a Constitutional amendment allowing a competency test, there's no other way around this one. Only people adjudicated incompetent who have had their civil rights removed cannot vote.
 
2012-11-02 07:55:17 PM
Not news.

politics.blogs.foxnews.com
 
2012-11-02 07:55:24 PM

part of the problem: Ive worked with special needs populations for years and yes it is a bigger problem with dems..


I actually wouldn't even bother to debate this, and am willing to put down in this post probably the most racist thing I've ever writ. The fact that the majority of nursing home employees are African American makes it much more likely that this sort of fraudulent/manufacted voting would benefit democrats.
 
2012-11-02 07:57:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: dickfreckle: How is a mentally disabled person being "told" to vote for Obama any different from your average mouth-breather being told by Rush Limbaugh?

It's not, and that's the crux of this issue: There's no way to handle this without either creating a competency test (which violates the Civil Rights Act) or simply not allowing the mentally disabled to vote (which violates their Constitutional rights) by "forgetting" to give them a ballot. Assuming that all adults have the right to vote, which they do, then the retarded and the senile have just as much right to cast a ballot as anyone else.

So you give them a ballot, and ideally someone explains the difference between the parties to them in a way they can understand, they mark their ballots and send them in. What usually happens is that their family members or caregivers mark the ballots for them, for whoever the family member wants to win. Overall, those votes are going to cancel out because someone else in another state is doing the same thing for a different candidate.

Without a Constitutional amendment allowing a competency test, there's no other way around this one. Only people adjudicated incompetent who have had their civil rights removed cannot vote.


There was at one time. That's why only land owners could vote. Lands was so easy to obtain back then, only an idiot didn't own land. Or some other point I'm trying to make.

/drunk already
 
2012-11-02 07:58:27 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Teknowaffle: It is true, and it was shennanies, but the thought of reporting it actually scared me a lot, even now 4 years later, as my uncle has never done as well as he had under this home leader. To risk the chance of taking that away from him would be one of the worst things I could imagine doing.

So you're willing to permit a small evil in order to create a greater good for your uncle?

Because that's exactly what his caretaker did.


The good of the many outweighs the needs of the one.
 
2012-11-02 07:58:27 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Unless we want to create some huge bureaucracy to check in on every disabled person and ensure that they understand what is happening, or forbid them from voting altogether, a little fraud like coma patients voting is the price we have to pay.


A "huge bureaucracy" - ie, a functioning mental health system.

That would be a nice thing to have, but we're not allowed nice things.
 
2012-11-02 07:59:38 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not news.

[politics.blogs.foxnews.com image 850x579]


I really hate that women, but for some reason I would love to bone her hard. Same for Palin and here daughter. The oldest one.
 
2012-11-02 07:59:53 PM

PonceAlyosha: I actually wouldn't even bother to debate this, and am willing to put down in this post probably the most racist thing I've ever writ. The fact that the majority of nursing home employees are African American makes it much more likely that this sort of fraudulent/manufacted voting would benefit democrats.


On the other hand, most people who own nursing homes are white Republicans, so it balances out.
 
2012-11-02 07:59:59 PM
This is not new. It's older than most of us.
 
2012-11-02 08:00:01 PM
If exploiting the mentally disabled for votes were illegal, Fox News wouldn't exist.
 
2012-11-02 08:00:51 PM
Aside.....
most reputable care agencies have procedures to help the developmentally disabled vote without coercion. Let them vote. Let the chips fall.
 
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