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2012-11-03 05:16:34 AM  

DrPainMD: tuna fingers: sonnyboy11: DrPainMD: The economy's hosed no matter who gets elected. Anybody who says that we can avoid total meltdown is an idiot.

We can avoid a meltdown.

Yes we can.
We need to understand that microwaves only cost $50 because 11 year olds work an assembly line. Same with our iPads. Anyone remember when those Apple IIs cost about $2,500? And that was when your dad only made 18K/year. Maybe your mom worked part-time at the school to add another 8K.
These cheap electronics costs (manufactured by slave labor) must be understood. I'm singling out electronics because that is what we all get greedy about these days.
We need to pay more for these luxuries, we've become spoiled.

And, once we're all paying more for everything, we'll be doing great?


Well, at least we wouldn't be paying for slavery. And if there were no wage differences we'd get some of that unskilled manufacturing back to the US, with more jobs and more people making enough money to actually be able to pay their income tax, while getting off of welfare and other taxpayer-funded programs. So the deficit would go down, and fast. Therefore (stay with me) while the price of electronics might go up, your taxes would go down. Because if you take a man's job and send it away forever, you just created a family on welfare, medicare, medicaid, you name it.
 
2012-11-03 05:21:35 AM  

Mithiwithi: Mayhem_2006: Not snarking, genuinely curious. How will making sure that factory workers in Asia are paid a decent wage help the US economy? Morally, it is a worthy goal but how will it help economically?

Unless the argument is that if those workers are paid better, the manufacturing base will return to the US?

Well, that's part of it. The reason the US has a hard time competing is that the very low cost of living in other countries, as measured in dollars, makes their wages far lower than what you could live on in the US. When someone can live on a salary that exchanges at USD$1.00 a day, it's hard for US labor to compete.

Of course, in the particular case of China, their government is accused (rather credibly, I think) of deliberately devaluing the yuan in order to maintain that trade advantage. So it isn't just a matter of them being intrinsically poorer, though that's also true.


Also,

The best way to preserve our standards of living and amiable working conditions is to demand at least the bare minimum of these for the workers in nations we do business with.

It's about more than just pay. In fact, despite us living in a global market, their pay rate can be completely inconsequential to the discussion.

As long as they can afford to live in home and not a hut, as long as it's not an army of 7 year olds sewing together shoes and as long as we aren't demanding dangerous/toxic/inhumane work out of their labor that wouldn't be accepted here, our workers will benefit.

... even if we don't stand a chance at competing on the bottom line in labor costs, it maintains a standard that is best for everyone. Or to say it another way, the wider we let that gap grow in what is acceptable floor for overseas labor conditions, the more sacrifices the labor market will continue to try and demand out of the American worker.
 
2012-11-03 05:27:40 AM  
Not to mention, the economy is recovering nicely, and predicted to add 12 million jobs in the US over the next 4 years. No matter if Romney or Obama wins.
 
2012-11-03 05:37:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: FlashHarry: AdolfOliverPanties: Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.


Yep.
Besides our civil war, we've not been pushed so hard to just accept an agenda.
 
2012-11-03 05:38:24 AM  

ghare: Not to mention, the economy is recovering nicely, and predicted to add 12 million jobs in the US over the next 4 years. No matter if Romney or Obama wins.


Yup. And it's got a lot to do with Obama and his policies. It's taken a while to fix things courtesy of all the Republican obstructionism and their persistent objective to put party ahead of country. True patriots, the lot of em.
 
2012-11-03 05:39:27 AM  

vpb: AdolfOliverPanties: Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

I don't know that it's worse than the civil war, but definitely in the top two. We have had this sort of crazy before, but not from such a large percentage of the population.


Yeah. What you said.
 
2012-11-03 05:41:05 AM  

Somacandra: Are you threatening me?
The streets will flow with the blood of the unbelievers!


Bung hole.

Me-heh-heh-heee.

/titicaca
 
2012-11-03 05:42:25 AM  

vernonFL: Miss me yet?


Not nearly enough yet, no.
 
2012-11-03 07:11:14 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: shotglasss: Obama's deficits average $1,500,000,000,000 per year. The economy has already been imploded.

I don't think you understand the difference between the US government's budget and the US economy.


To all outward appearances, he can't tell the difference between shiat and Shinola.
 
2012-11-03 07:37:46 AM  

Mixolydian Master: [img24.imageshack.us image 850x637]


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-03 07:41:42 AM  

vpb: AdolfOliverPanties: Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

I don't know that it's worse than the civil war, but definitely in the top two. We have had this sort of crazy before, but not from such a large percentage of the population.


Bad as the civil war was, losing the south would have made the US smaller, but it would still have been the US (might have been a smarter US though). The policies of today's GOP would turn the US into a third-world theocracy. The exact opposite of what your founding fathers wanted.
 
2012-11-03 07:43:12 AM  

thomps: you guys realize that all you are doing is sounding like some sort of hyperbolic hive-mind.


I know it sounds hyperbolic, but can you think of a greater historic or current threat to the US (than today's GOP)?
 
2012-11-03 07:45:16 AM  
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2012-11-03 08:15:39 AM  

ravenlore: Better leader than Romney:

[i2.photobucket.com image 400x438]


A vote for Pinkie Pie is a vote for awesome.
 
2012-11-03 08:47:23 AM  
If I was inclined to vote Republican (Which I am not, I agree with some of their points, but their social views make me sick.) reading that would ensure I would vote against any republican in congress in the hopes that enough like minded folks would do the same in order to make it impossible for him to carry out this threat.
 
2012-11-03 09:33:20 AM  

KrispyKritter: dickfreckle: Remember when politicians routinely compromised to get things done? Is "obstruction as a device to make the president look bad" now an official part of their stated platform? What sort of collassal douchenozzle must you be to actively harm the country in order to score political points?

it's not just political points. there are those who do such things to add more millions to the huge pile of millions they already have. they will put their fellow countrymen out of work, out of a home and children out of food so well-to-do investors may see a few pennies more on the bottom line.

i fear that as more people are not exposed to or give up on the concept of an all powerful entity and the belief of reward for goodness and punishment for evil even more colossal acts of dooshnozzle will prevail. and we the commoners will suffer greatly because of it.


Other than the fact that this has been the cause of most Doochenozzlery in history.
 
2012-11-03 09:37:01 AM  

Ludovico_D_Technique_Esq: [www.iandrinstitute.org image 418x328]

Ohio is in the bag for Romney. From the crooked governor to the rigged voting machines to the purged voter rolls, its done.

And as goes Ohio goes the entire election. 

Book it. Its over.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaand there's your problem. The purged voter rolls don't exist. The teabagging twatwaffle that tried to disenfranchise a bunch of OSU kids got destroyed at the BOE meeting. Many people fought back against the near exclusive teabagging effort. Early voting is high and it's going to be good.

My state is better than that.
 
2012-11-03 09:38:15 AM  

The Larch: If you think that eating dog turd pudding is better than eating nothing, vote Romney. I guess


I am bored. I might post that to facebook with this article.

gothelder: If I was inclined to vote Republican (Which I am not, I agree with some of their points,


I used to feel that way.

But any illusion of fiscal responsibility went out the window with the Bush Tax cuts. You can't start a war and cut taxes, while claiming you are being fiscally responsible.

And they have gone even more off the deep end with the Grover Pledge and teatards.
 
2012-11-03 09:45:47 AM  

Ludovico_D_Technique_Esq: [www.iandrinstitute.org image 418x328]

Ohio is in the bag for Romney. From the crooked governor to the rigged voting machines to the purged voter rolls, its done.

And as goes Ohio goes the entire election. 

Book it. Its over.


That's awesome!
 
2012-11-03 09:57:31 AM  

timujin: Obvious solution? Vote the Republicans out of Congress..


This.
 
2012-11-03 09:58:04 AM  

RedPhoenix122: AirForceVet: Vote the GOP out of Congress into orbit

Not without a space shuttle.


If you're not worried about human-rated launch systems, SpaceX may do it for a song. (I don't know their politics.)
 
2012-11-03 10:41:56 AM  

jso2897: cameroncrazy1984: shotglasss: Obama's deficits average $1,500,000,000,000 per year. The economy has already been imploded.

I don't think you understand the difference between the US government's budget and the US economy.

To all outward appearances, he can't tell the difference between shiat and Shinola.


Sure I can! What you're full of is not Shinola!
 
2012-11-03 10:46:12 AM  
Do it you Republican retards, it will be amusing to watch congress critters hunted down and strung up.
 
2012-11-03 01:01:21 PM  

shotglasss: jso2897: cameroncrazy1984: shotglasss: Obama's deficits average $1,500,000,000,000 per year. The economy has already been imploded.

I don't think you understand the difference between the US government's budget and the US economy.

To all outward appearances, he can't tell the difference between shiat and Shinola.

Sure I can! What you're full of is not Shinola!


Of course not - it's LOVE!
i18.photobucket.com
If You Love, Love Openly

Twenty monks and one nun, who was named Eshun, were practicing meditation with a certain Zen master.

Eshun was very pretty even though her head was shaved and her dress plain. Several monks secretly fell in love with her. One of them wrote her a love letter, insisting upon a private meeting.

Eshun did not reply. The following day the master gave a lecture to the group, and when it was over, Eshun arose. Addressing the one who had written to her, she said: "If you really love me so much, come and embrace me now."
 
2012-11-03 01:20:15 PM  

Worst Name I Ever Heard: RevMercutio: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
-- Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell

Soon to be, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be impeached."


If Republicans don't turn things down after this election, if they pursue another government shutdown I think a majority of voters would support impeachment proceedings against congress.
 
2012-11-03 01:52:44 PM  

DrPainMD: sno man: DrPainMD: BTW... in the long run, increasing the debt is the absolute worst thing they could do for the economy. It does nothing except push the problem into the future, and guarantee that the crash will be worse when it does come. So, this is one of the only good things that could result from an Obama win.

You got a D- in history didn't you.

No. I got As in history. And in economics. So, tell me why, in 1965, Charles de Gaulle pulled all the French gold out of the FED's New York vault and had it returned to France.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-03 01:53:00 PM  

MindStalker: If Republicans don't turn things down after this election, if they pursue another government shutdown I think a majority of voters would support impeachment proceedings against congress.


I would love to believe that. But given the evidence of the past few years, I am extremely skeptical. If anything, they'll be turning the derp knob even further up, past 11 (they go to infinity).
 
2012-11-03 02:19:15 PM  

Worst Name I Ever Heard: MindStalker: If Republicans don't turn things down after this election, if they pursue another government shutdown I think a majority of voters would support impeachment proceedings against congress.

I would love to believe that. But given the evidence of the past few years, I am extremely skeptical. If anything, they'll be turning the derp knob even further up, past 11 (they go to infinity).


Considering they can't be bothered now to vote in their own interests, I can't imagine them blaming anyone with an (R) next to their name. These people won't be swayed by facts and culpability. There could be just one democrat left in congress and I have all the faith in the world most of today's Republicans would just accept that it was that lone socialist democrat farking up everything. If we could just get rid of him the utopia would be realized and we could stop eating butter and sugar sandwiches and we'd all have jerbs. Stupid democrats... 

/I'm writing in for Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson this year
//figure it'll effect as much change as voting (D) or (R)...
 
2012-11-03 02:30:11 PM  

Avery614: //figure it'll effect as much change as voting (D) or (R)...


derp
 
2012-11-03 03:02:29 PM  

whidbey: Avery614: //figure it'll effect as much change as voting (D) or (R)...

derp


If you took me seriously in saying I'd vote for "The Rock", then there's no helping you....

Derp indeed...

/tongue in cheek sir, tongue in cheek
 
2012-11-03 06:20:37 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I would really love it if the GOPs intransigence during Obama's first term ends up creating the liberal boogeyman they kept portraying him as. He knows they won't work with him on anything, and he doesn't need to care about reelection. Day one he should walk into the Oval Office and throw down a stack of legislation that legalizes gay marriage, bans all handguns, and opens up government sponsored abortion factories. Turn the GOP's Overton window against them.

Want to make Obamacare a little better? Propose single-payer.
Want to enact some environmental legislation? Propose banning all fossil fuels.


I knew there was a reason I had you farkied as "Reasonable mofo"

/Want to make some defense cuts? Propose unilateral armed forces disarmament.
//Okay that one was way over the top
 
2012-11-03 09:28:07 PM  

ghare: DrPainMD: tuna fingers: sonnyboy11: DrPainMD: The economy's hosed no matter who gets elected. Anybody who says that we can avoid total meltdown is an idiot.

We can avoid a meltdown.

Yes we can.
We need to understand that microwaves only cost $50 because 11 year olds work an assembly line. Same with our iPads. Anyone remember when those Apple IIs cost about $2,500? And that was when your dad only made 18K/year. Maybe your mom worked part-time at the school to add another 8K.
These cheap electronics costs (manufactured by slave labor) must be understood. I'm singling out electronics because that is what we all get greedy about these days.
We need to pay more for these luxuries, we've become spoiled.

And, once we're all paying more for everything, we'll be doing great?

Well, at least we wouldn't be paying for slavery. And if there were no wage differences we'd get some of that unskilled manufacturing back to the US, with more jobs and more people making enough money to actually be able to pay their income tax, while getting off of welfare and other taxpayer-funded programs. So the deficit would go down, and fast. Therefore (stay with me) while the price of electronics might go up, your taxes would go down. Because if you take a man's job and send it away forever, you just created a family on welfare, medicare, medicaid, you name it.


You assume that people would be buying the same amount of high-priced goods as they currently buy low-priced goods. That is a false assumption. Sales would plummet and all those new American jobs would evaporate. Then we'd have high unemployment and high prices. Not to mention a trade war, and the loss of jobs in industries that currently export.
 
2012-11-04 04:09:16 AM  
Like they haven't been doing that already? Why remove a president to fulfill the wishes of a disruptive house?
 
2012-11-04 08:21:37 PM  

starsrift: I saw the Fark headline, and was like, "Oh, another headline troll. Meh, let's see what he-- oh. Oh. He really said that. Is it because he has balls of steel, or because he's actually that stupid?"


It's because he knows how stupid the public is.
 
2012-11-04 08:35:07 PM  

tuna fingers: sonnyboy11: DrPainMD: The economy's hosed no matter who gets elected. Anybody who says that we can avoid total meltdown is an idiot.

We can avoid a meltdown.

Yes we can.
We need to understand that microwaves only cost $50 because 11 year olds work an assembly line. Same with our iPads. Anyone remember when those Apple IIs cost about $2,500? And that was when your dad only made 18K/year. Maybe your mom worked part-time at the school to add another 8K.
These cheap electronics costs (manufactured by slave labor) must be understood. I'm singling out electronics because that is what we all get greedy about these days.
We need to pay more for these luxuries, we've become spoiled.


Yeah I agree. The price of electronic consumer goods is astonishingly low until you factor in the hidden cost of jobs (and economic power) being exported to China. I can remember when a microwave oven was a major purchase. Now I can pick one up in the supermarket with the weekly grocery shopping.
 
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