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(Talking Points Memo)   Romney's closing argument: Elect me or the GOP congress will implode the economy   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 485
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2012-11-02 06:15:28 PM  
I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?
 
2012-11-02 06:16:01 PM  

dickfreckle: Remember when politicians routinely compromised to get things done? Is "obstruction as a device to make the president look bad" now an official part of their stated platform? What sort of collassal douchenozzle must you be to actively harm the country in order to score political points?


I'm just gonna leave this here...

First, as to your remarks in Jamaica concerning the possible realignment of the Republican and Democratic parties into "conservative" and "liberal" parties. Whatever the circumstances of the statement, you have indicated that you believe that might be "a happy thing." I disagree.

We need only look at the experience of some ideologically oriented parties in Europe to realize that chaos can result. Dogmatic ideological parties tend to splinter the political and social fabric of a nation, lead to governmental crises and deadlock, and stymie the compromises so often necessary to preserve freedom and achieve progress. A broad based two party structure produces a degree of political stability and viability not otherwise attainable."

- George Romney, in a letter to Barry Goldwater, December 21, 1964
 
2012-11-02 06:16:05 PM  
"He has ignored them, attacked them, blamed them."



No Mitt, quite the opposite, and republican obstructionism is starting to piss more and more people off.
 
2012-11-02 06:18:33 PM  

Via Infinito: NkThrasher: What's sad is that may be the best objective reason to vote for him. There might be slightly less sabotaging of the legislative process.

NO NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!


I'm actually quite serious. What else does he have as an objective argument for him?

It's the only basic concept that I've been wrestling with about his candidacy throughout the whole process. Bad government doing bad things but at least doing something vs dysfunctional government doing nothing.
 
2012-11-02 06:19:08 PM  

coyo: Uh Oh Chongo Danger Island!: Gridlock is better than crony payoff laden legislation passed under the guise to stimulate the economy.

Well, its a pretty simple calculation if you are just using cold heartless logic :

if (economy after stimulus - graft) > economy without stimulus then go ahead with stimulus


If the Republicans would bring one of the several goddamn jobs bills to the floor for a vote, we could get rolling without Mitt's cronyism.

/Also, an infrastructure and research bill for roads, bridges, electrical backbone, flood prevention, internet, etc, etc.
 
2012-11-02 06:19:53 PM  

jasimo: I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?


Harry Reid promises filibuster reform if Dems win the election
 
2012-11-02 06:20:05 PM  

Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.



Turtle Boy and the GOP have gone out of their way to avoid even the appearance of bipartisanship. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-11-02 06:20:15 PM  

MrBallou: Instead, individual congressmen will be needing to make themselves look better for their own reelection bids starting in 2014. They'll also want to make the GOP look better in general to give the eventual Presidential nominee a better starting position.

What would be the incentive to keep being asshats, if they no longer need to destroy Obama?


Depends on whether the Tea Party is still able to mount primary challenges against non-asshats.
 
2012-11-02 06:21:40 PM  

Zeno-25: jasimo: I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?

Harry Reid promises filibuster reform if Dems win the election


Awesome. Thanks for the find.
 
2012-11-02 06:22:08 PM  
Romney was the first governor in modern Massachusetts history to deny every request for a pardon or commutation during his four years in office. He denied 100 requests for commutations and 172 requests for pardons, including the request from a soldier serving in Iraq to be pardoned for a conviction at age 13 involving a BB gun.

He left office with a 34% approval rating.


Wow.
 
2012-11-02 06:23:40 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Romney was the first governor in modern Massachusetts history to deny every request for a pardon or commutation during his four years in office. He denied 100 requests for commutations and 172 requests for pardons, including the request from a soldier serving in Iraq to be pardoned for a conviction at age 13 involving a BB gun.

He left office with a 34% approval rating.

Wow.


I'm still wondering why Obama didn't hammer him on that.

"You had a 34% approval rating when you left office!! People have SEEN you govern before... and they don't like it!!!
 
2012-11-02 06:23:45 PM  

NkThrasher: Via Infinito: NkThrasher: What's sad is that may be the best objective reason to vote for him. There might be slightly less sabotaging of the legislative process.

NO NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!

I'm actually quite serious. What else does he have as an objective argument for him?

It's the only basic concept that I've been wrestling with about his candidacy throughout the whole process. Bad government doing bad things but at least doing something vs dysfunctional government doing nothing.


I'm serious too. We can't let those bastards think that obstructionism works or they'll keep doing it. They need to be voted out of office, not the president.
 
2012-11-02 06:24:07 PM  
On the other hand, if Romney is elected, the economy will still implode, but he and the rest of the GOP thieves will be able to pick and choose who will get away with the loot.

So, citizens, pick your poison:

1) Romney and an imploded economy with some selected people winning (hint: not you)
2) Obama and an obstructing congress that may choose the nuclear option to implode the economy, but could hurt random people
3) Obama AND a non-GOP congress and see a growing economy where everyone will win, but the 1%'ers won't be winning as quickly as they could with a banana republic style government of option 1.
 
2012-11-02 06:24:46 PM  
He's using the Lord Humongous argument.

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.

"Elect me, and I will spare you the wrath of my people", more or less. Yeah, that'll work.
 
2012-11-02 06:25:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: HeartBurnKid: A Dark Evil Omen: More to the point, it was white aristocrats fighting white aristocrats over who got to control a particular labor underclass. It was largely about slavery in the sense that the slaves were the resource being fought over.

Which is why, after the North won, blacks continued to be slaves. Amirite?

No, instead they were forced into the absolute bottom rung of capitalist society as wage slaves, often with worse quality of life than they "enjoyed" as slaves.


Oh, so you're one of the "slavery was a good thing for blacks" types.
 
2012-11-02 06:26:55 PM  
So is there a reason why Romney isn't in Gitmo right now?
 
2012-11-02 06:27:09 PM  

whistleridge:

Ok, I'll bite:

It actually wasn't about slavery. It was about rich white men throwing a colossal hissy fit over the idea that someone else could place any practical limits in their power, privilege, or self-indulgence. Slavery was just a nifty way to sucker poor racist idiots into doing their fighting for them.

Proof? If there had been no money in slavery, it would have ended. Stat.

/ yeah, I went there


You're right about that. In fact, if Eli Whitney hadn't created the cotton gin, making processing of cotton so much faster, slavery probably would have died out a lot sooner than it did (by way of the Emancipation Proclamation). It was too expensive to not only pick cotton, but also process it to be woven into cloth. But with the cotton gin, "King Cotton" made tons of money and slavery continued.

/the more you know.
 
2012-11-02 06:27:19 PM  
If Obama's elected then the do nothing Congress will have failed to achieve its only goal
 
2012-11-02 06:27:33 PM  

Via Infinito: NkThrasher: Via Infinito: NkThrasher: What's sad is that may be the best objective reason to vote for him. There might be slightly less sabotaging of the legislative process.

NO NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS!

I'm actually quite serious. What else does he have as an objective argument for him?

It's the only basic concept that I've been wrestling with about his candidacy throughout the whole process. Bad government doing bad things but at least doing something vs dysfunctional government doing nothing.

I'm serious too. We can't let those bastards think that obstructionism works or they'll keep doing it. They need to be voted out of office, not the president.


I concur, but that doesn't change the interesting note that it is the most convincing argument that can be made for his candidacy from an objective standpoint.
 
2012-11-02 06:28:37 PM  

dericwater: 3) Obama AND a non-GOP congress and see a growing economy where everyone will win, but the 1%'ers won't be winning as quickly as they could with a banana republic style government of option 1.


I'm old enough to remember when "banana republic" was in common parlance. Until 2010 I never thought that term could be applied to the US. You have made me sad. Sad because it's accurate.
 
2012-11-02 06:30:06 PM  

NkThrasher: Bad government doing bad things but at least doing something vs dysfunctional government doing nothing.


I disagree. I'd rather stand in one place than move backwards.
 
2012-11-02 06:30:43 PM  

Via Infinito: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Warlordtrooper: Fark them. If Obama is reelected he should do everything in his power to screw over the people who didn't vote for him. For 4 years he has tried to compromise when the other side stood there and acted like spoiled children throwing a tempertantrum. If Obama is re elected its time to make a point. They had the chance to compromise and they didn't, its time for red states to suffer.

As a Democrat who lives in Georgia, fark you.

As a Democrat who lives in Georgia, he's got a point. We should move to Cali and let the South freaking secede already.


I'm leaving next summer.
 
2012-11-02 06:31:21 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.


Turtle Boy and the GOP have gone out of their way to avoid even the appearance of bipartisanship. Your argument is invalid.


My argument that bipartisanship is necessary or this country could get farked up even more? If you say so, captain.
 
2012-11-02 06:31:38 PM  

jasimo: Zeno-25: jasimo: I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?

Harry Reid promises filibuster reform if Dems win the election

Awesome. Thanks for the find.


The GOP will still control the House, even after Obama wins next week. Filibuster reform will be pointless.
 
2012-11-02 06:31:44 PM  

a_bilge_monkey: dericwater: 3) Obama AND a non-GOP congress and see a growing economy where everyone will win, but the 1%'ers won't be winning as quickly as they could with a banana republic style government of option 1.

I'm old enough to remember when "banana republic" was in common parlance. Until 2010 I never thought that term could be applied to the US. You have made me sad. Sad because it's accurate.


I think we're more of a "cubical republic" since we don't export one thing that provides most of our wealth but other than that the political situation is strikingly similar to a banana republic.
 
2012-11-02 06:32:01 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Via Infinito: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Warlordtrooper: Fark them. If Obama is reelected he should do everything in his power to screw over the people who didn't vote for him. For 4 years he has tried to compromise when the other side stood there and acted like spoiled children throwing a tempertantrum. If Obama is re elected its time to make a point. They had the chance to compromise and they didn't, its time for red states to suffer.

As a Democrat who lives in Georgia, fark you.

As a Democrat who lives in Georgia, he's got a point. We should move to Cali and let the South freaking secede already.

I'm leaving next summer.


Welcome. Enjoy the lovely beaches and lack of derp.

And if you ever feel homesick, just stop by Orange County, and that'll fix you right up.
 
2012-11-02 06:32:16 PM  

Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.


Are we back to defining bi-partisanship as "Democrats doing everything Republicans?"
 
2012-11-02 06:32:34 PM  
I got into an argument with a friend of a friend on facebook today. He was absolutely convinced that the Republicans fixed the recession, and it was the democrats that caused it.


After posting about a dozen things proving him completely wrong, he posted this as his closing argument:

"You can post all the graph's, reports, polls, surveys, and chart's in the world, but here's what I see daily. Less construction, less new homes, less new loans, higher fuel prices, higher grocery bills, higher heath care costs. Enjoy the cool aid. Your media is full of crap."


... I literally have no idea how to debate someone who admits that he has no interest in facts.
 
2012-11-02 06:32:41 PM  
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Vote Republican. Because all these things were just BAD LUCK.
 
2012-11-02 06:32:44 PM  

Grungehamster: dickfreckle: Remember when politicians routinely compromised to get things done? Is "obstruction as a device to make the president look bad" now an official part of their stated platform? What sort of collassal douchenozzle must you be to actively harm the country in order to score political points?

I'm just gonna leave this here...

First, as to your remarks in Jamaica concerning the possible realignment of the Republican and Democratic parties into "conservative" and "liberal" parties. Whatever the circumstances of the statement, you have indicated that you believe that might be "a happy thing." I disagree.

We need only look at the experience of some ideologically oriented parties in Europe to realize that chaos can result. Dogmatic ideological parties tend to splinter the political and social fabric of a nation, lead to governmental crises and deadlock, and stymie the compromises so often necessary to preserve freedom and achieve progress. A broad based two party structure produces a degree of political stability and viability not otherwise attainable."
- George Romney, in a letter to Barry Goldwater, December 21, 1964


it's a shame he didn't learn more from his dad.
 
2012-11-02 06:32:47 PM  

quizzical: Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.

Are we back to defining bi-partisanship as "Democrats doing everything Republicans?"


No.
 
2012-11-02 06:33:00 PM  

quizzical: Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.

Are we back to defining bi-partisanship as "Democrats doing everything Republicans?"


...want. Everything Republicans want.

/TGIF, everybody.
 
2012-11-02 06:33:02 PM  

quizzical: Are we back to defining bi-partisanship as "Democrats doing everything Republicans?"


We never left it.
 
2012-11-02 06:33:34 PM  

Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.


Funny how you talk about bipartisanship and cooperation, but only mention Obama needing to make some effort.

Because Republicans have already been making such efforts at bipartisan cooperation, right? All those filibusters are just their way of saying, "we want to make this relationship work!"
 
2012-11-02 06:35:21 PM  

eddiesocket: jasimo: Zeno-25: jasimo: I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?

Harry Reid promises filibuster reform if Dems win the election

Awesome. Thanks for the find.

The GOP will still control the House, even after Obama wins next week. Filibuster reform will be pointless.


Unless I'm mistaken, the Senate approves appointments and whatnot. A filibuster reform will allow the Senate, with a simple majority, to approve appointments.
/Could be wrong
//Probably other benefits, too
 
2012-11-02 06:39:35 PM  
The scary thing is this exact statement is something I've seen in a number of Romney endorsements by newspapers.

"Obama tried bipartisanship. In the first year of his term numerous bills were modified to address Republican concerns in the name of bipartisanship. Then the Republicans didn't give any of said bills a single vote and crowed that he ignored them anyway, despite bills being heavily modified in their direction. Since then, they have blocked practically everything, insisting that unless they get 100% their way, then they'd rather it be no way.

If Romney is elected, at least Republicans in the House will pass legislation. It's not fair to President Obama to endorse his opponent because the opponent's party will not work with him on anything, but what can you do."

I've seen it in numerous endorsements. Instead of calling out the Republicans on Mitch mcConnell's FIRST pledge of his highest priority not being the nation and its recovery, but to destroy the President, you have newspapers admitting said strategy was successful, so REWARD THAT PARTY. 

Sickening.
 
2012-11-02 06:39:53 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: I think we're more of a "cubical republic" since we don't export one thing that provides most of our wealth but other than that the political situation is strikingly similar to a banana republic.


Plutocracy by any other name.
 
2012-11-02 06:40:46 PM  

sno man: Grungehamster: dickfreckle: Remember when politicians routinely compromised to get things done? Is "obstruction as a device to make the president look bad" now an official part of their stated platform? What sort of collassal douchenozzle must you be to actively harm the country in order to score political points?

I'm just gonna leave this here...

First, as to your remarks in Jamaica concerning the possible realignment of the Republican and Democratic parties into "conservative" and "liberal" parties. Whatever the circumstances of the statement, you have indicated that you believe that might be "a happy thing." I disagree.

We need only look at the experience of some ideologically oriented parties in Europe to realize that chaos can result. Dogmatic ideological parties tend to splinter the political and social fabric of a nation, lead to governmental crises and deadlock, and stymie the compromises so often necessary to preserve freedom and achieve progress. A broad based two party structure produces a degree of political stability and viability not otherwise attainable."
- George Romney, in a letter to Barry Goldwater, December 21, 1964

it's a shame he didn't learn more from his dad.


It is pretty obvious he hated his dad.
 
2012-11-02 06:41:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: ... the people going on about how "red states should suffer" realize that basically every state is split within spitting distance of 50/50 in basically every election, right? We've been one nation and not a loose confederacy of independent states since the 1780s, and regional cultural and economic differences really aren't that big compared to most of the rest of the world.


this

however soviet style purges of the house would Get Shiat Done
 
2012-11-02 06:42:04 PM  

MisterRonbo: Cletus C.: drewsclues: Cletus C.: If re-elected, I hope Obama makes some effort toward bipartisanship. This country will suffer if he does not.

Oh so passing the republicans own health care law wasn't good enough? Get your head out of your ass.

That really isn't the spirit of cooperation I was envisioning.

Funny how you talk about bipartisanship and cooperation, but only mention Obama needing to make some effort.

Because Republicans have already been making such efforts at bipartisan cooperation, right? All those filibusters are just their way of saying, "we want to make this relationship work!"


I was referring to my hope that a second term for Obama would bring with it his willingness to work with Republicans in Congress for the good of the country. Be a leader. Turn down the rhetoric. Of course the GOP would need to work with him, as well.
 
2012-11-02 06:44:06 PM  
LINCOLN WAS WRONG!

LET THE SOUTH GO ALREADY!

I LOVE LAMP
 
2012-11-02 06:46:58 PM  

jasimo: I wonder if the Senate will change the filibuster rules after the last four years?


Is a simple majority enough to do that?
 
2012-11-02 06:47:49 PM  

Cletus C.:

I was referring to my hope that a second term for Obama would bring with it his willingness to work with Republicans in Congress for the good of the country. Be a leader. Turn down the rhetoric. Of course the GOP would need to work with him, as well.


Like a debt ceiling deal that John Boehner said was "90% of everything I wanted"?

Like the debt reduction deal offered in April of 2011 that was $3 in spending cuts for every $1 in new revenue?

Like rolling back the Bush tax cuts on 98% of Americans, instead of 100%?

You mean like proposing a cap and trade scheme that Republicans were in love with as recently as 2008?

You mean like proposing health care reform based on a design by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by a Republican governor?

I hope Obama offers to meet them halfway. Instead of the three-quarters to nine-tenths range he's been operating in so far.
 
2012-11-02 06:49:31 PM  
At least he's telling the truth for once
 
2012-11-02 06:49:41 PM  
Treason.
 
2012-11-02 06:51:31 PM  

Elandriel: I wonder what "I don't have to worry about re-election" Obama is going to be like. Will he take a hard stance against these assholes, knowing they can't force him out? Will he use the bully pulpit? It would be a matter of remarkable ease to expose them after the election, peel back the layers hiding the truth of the matter -- that the GOP is intentionally hindering the economic recovery for political reasons.

But, he's pretty much a centrist, so that might be asking a bit much...


He has the ability to be firm and demanding when he wants to be. I'm hoping that he'll return to that form and just have primetime speech after speech where he calmly explains why the Republicans are a bunch of complete farkwits on the latest issue.
 
2012-11-02 06:53:29 PM  
I just have to laugh that he's painting it like Obama has done everything to oppose the Republicans, when it was the GOP that met before his inauguration, and agreed to be as obstructionist and uncooperative as possible.
 
2012-11-02 06:53:38 PM  
I would really love it if the GOPs intransigence during Obama's first term ends up creating the liberal boogeyman they kept portraying him as. He knows they won't work with him on anything, and he doesn't need to care about reelection. Day one he should walk into the Oval Office and throw down a stack of legislation that legalizes gay marriage, bans all handguns, and opens up government sponsored abortion factories. Turn the GOP's Overton window against them.

Want to make Obamacare a little better? Propose single-payer.
Want to enact some environmental legislation? Propose banning all fossil fuels.
 
2012-11-02 06:54:06 PM  
I'll blame my congressman. Patrick McHenry called Elizabeth Warren a liar. Sooo...Stone Him. Can't vote him out, they gerrymandered his district to gut the libs from Asheville
 
2012-11-02 06:55:03 PM  

MithrandirBooga: I got into an argument with a friend of a friend on facebook today. He was absolutely convinced that the Republicans fixed the recession, and it was the democrats that caused it.


After posting about a dozen things proving him completely wrong, he posted this as his closing argument:

"You can post all the graph's, reports, polls, surveys, and chart's in the world, but here's what I see daily. Less construction, less new homes, less new loans, higher fuel prices, higher grocery bills, higher heath care costs. Enjoy the cool aid. Your media is full of crap."


... I literally have no idea how to debate someone who admits that he has no interest in facts.



Circumstantial ad hominem mixed with observation bias? He might as well said "it's sunny and clear skies here so obviously this hurricane nonsense is just a joke."
 
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