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(NPR)   Proof that Obama wasted time getting aid to the people in Benghazi, told them to stand down, and refused to send troops or air support. Oh, except he didn't, didn't, and didn't   (npr.org ) divider line
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2012-11-02 05:47:35 PM  
So now that this information is out, what's the angle that fox news is going to take. Just igonore it and keep going the way they have been?
 
2012-11-02 05:47:46 PM  

GameSprocket: Kazan: cchris_39: Wow.

Even for state sponsored media NPR, that was pretty daming.

The article openly admits that we knew damn well what was happening even at it happened, but had no resources or clue how to respond.

it wasn't considered a hot theater of operations by the military or intelligence agencies, because it hadn't been for eons. the fact that we had scant resources in the area sorta makes sense from that context if you, you know, THINK ABOUT IT.

Give it up. Anyone with an IQ over 30 (and I know that leaves out the tea baggers) knows that an embassy is protected by the host country. You don't arm it like a military base. There is a reason why diplomats are sometimes called "soldiers without guns".


So what are the marines at embassies doing there? Are they for decoration?

I'm currently on the fence between 'not sure if serios' and 'not sure if tard'
 
2012-11-02 05:49:35 PM  
So what they're saying is that they actually knew about the attacks, planned responses to them, and sent help?

Sending aid to a consulate? Definitely an impeachable offense.
 
2012-11-02 05:49:49 PM  

Blowmonkey: Just igonore it and keep going the way they have been?


Let's ask Ken Starr.
 
2012-11-02 05:52:15 PM  
I would still like to see whats in Mitt Romneys Tax Returns!
 
2012-11-02 05:52:48 PM  

Mikey1969: So what they're saying is that they actually knew about the attacks, planned responses to them, and sent help?


Then went on TV the next day and made some shiat up.
 
2012-11-02 05:53:19 PM  

Tigger: GameSprocket: Kazan: cchris_39: Wow.

Even for state sponsored media NPR, that was pretty daming.

The article openly admits that we knew damn well what was happening even at it happened, but had no resources or clue how to respond.

it wasn't considered a hot theater of operations by the military or intelligence agencies, because it hadn't been for eons. the fact that we had scant resources in the area sorta makes sense from that context if you, you know, THINK ABOUT IT.

Give it up. Anyone with an IQ over 30 (and I know that leaves out the tea baggers) knows that an embassy is protected by the host country. You don't arm it like a military base. There is a reason why diplomats are sometimes called "soldiers without guns".

So what are the marines at embassies doing there? Are they for decoration?

I'm currently on the fence between 'not sure if serios' and 'not sure if tard'


Doesn't matter in this case, since it was a consulate in Benghazi, not an embassy. Consulates are much smaller than embassies, and generally only include the diplomatic staff. Security and protection for a consulate is up to the host country.
 
2012-11-02 05:53:35 PM  
'we watched in horror but did not have time to react'

holy farking shiat are the lies getting deep

We have quick strike units that are designed for this very scenario. We have the ability to reach nearly every city in the world within a couple of hours and with enough firepower to level it.

People died, Obama lied

You are all trolls, right, how can anyone believe the crap coming out of the whitehouse.
 
2012-11-02 05:54:08 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Dusk-You-n-Me: Excellent article.

? Unnamed sources and no time line. Yeah, gold standard article.

And the article did point out that here was basically no help around. In Libya? If there wasn't then that in and of it self was a major farking screw up. No help less then 6 hours away?! Bull-shiat.


It's a foreign farking country, not Fort Farking Bragg. Where the Hell were they supposed to put all of the troops in your masturbatory fantasy?
 
2012-11-02 05:54:46 PM  
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Fugazi you say?


3.bp.blogspot.com

Nahh...it's pronounced Fugayzi.


images.hellokids.com

Actually, it's Bengali. 


dontdrinkbeer.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-02 05:56:52 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: BMulligan: Holocaust Agnostic: It doesn't count as terrorism

Oh? Why not, pray tell?

Because words have meanings. However vile the perpetrators goals or methods, targets don't actually get any more legitimate than "a bunch of marines"


But they were a noncombatant peacekeeping force. Now, if we want to exclude such a target from the definition of terrorism that's fine, but when the Cole was attacked I was assured that Clinton had allowed an act of terrorism on his watch.
 
2012-11-02 05:57:48 PM  

pxsteel: 'we watched in horror but did not have time to react'

holy farking shiat are the lies getting deep

We have quick strike units that are designed for this very scenario. We have the ability to reach nearly every city in the world within a couple of hours and with enough firepower to level it.

People died, Obama lied

You are all trolls, right, how can anyone believe the crap coming out of the whitehouse.


Th official line from the Whitehouse for the last couple of weeks was "We didnt know" now its "We were on top of it the whole time".
 
2012-11-02 05:58:08 PM  
President Obama and his entire national security team monitored what was going on half a world away.

I thought he was a party or sumptin when all that went down. Yeah--he was partying. Didn't even care. That's what I heard.
 
2012-11-02 05:59:35 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Mittens Rmoney is about to lose the elec ... BENGHAZI!


You called?
 
2012-11-02 06:00:06 PM  

pxsteel: 'we watched in horror but did not have time to react'

holy farking shiat are the lies getting deep

We have quick strike units that are designed for this very scenario. We have the ability to reach nearly every city in the world within a couple of hours and with enough firepower to level it.

People died, Obama lied

You are all trolls, right, how can anyone believe the crap coming out of the whitehouse.


This is getting sad. It really shouldn't be necessary to repeatedly remind some of you that Tom Clancy novels are fiction.
 
2012-11-02 06:00:27 PM  

shotglasss: Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: state sponsored media NPR

Even I didn't think you were that stupid.

If you really think that NPR is a propaganda piece of the government, you obviously haven't been outside the US.

What does that have to do with NPR being a taxpayer funded arm of the DNC?


NPR is "liberal" only to the extent that objective reality has a liberal bias.
 
2012-11-02 06:02:24 PM  

I alone am best: Th official line from the Whitehouse for the last couple of weeks was "We didnt know" now its "We were on top of it the whole time"


Yeah, no.
 
2012-11-02 06:02:54 PM  

pxsteel: You are all trolls


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-02 06:04:16 PM  

Agneska: Tigger: If Fox wasn't asking questions and doing research, we wouldn't know any of this

You no longer have any credibility on any topic you comment on ever again.

I'm heart broken. I really am.

CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc are not touching this hot potato even though it's one of the biggest stories in 2012. They're covering Obama's ass, as usual. Open your mind, grasshopper, and play with the Fox.


None of the other networks are touching this because Fox is essentially broadcasting what even they admit to be unconfirmed rumor and conjecture as fact, and most other MSM sources have internal editorial policies against this.
 
2012-11-02 06:04:16 PM  

I alone am best: Mikey1969: So what they're saying is that they actually knew about the attacks, planned responses to them, and sent help?

Then went on TV the next day and made some shiat up.


The lie they decided to go with is more damning than the cover-up:

"These idiots went all retarded because of what this guy had to say. But don't worry, we threw him in jail."

Talk about your first amendment chills.
 
2012-11-02 06:06:21 PM  

neenerist: alizeran: Sadly, NPR is offering facts to intellectual giants like this:

"The buddhists are coming to take our religious freedoms".

Thanks for the depression. That's even too much stupid for a Friday night.


I think we may have found footage of Agneska in the wild...

/granted this was about as far as I could watch
 
2012-11-02 06:08:12 PM  

Polly Ester: "These idiots went all retarded because of what this guy had to say. But don't worry, we threw him in jail."

Talk about your first amendment chills


Here's a guy who doesn't understand what a probation violation is. Or what was actually happening that day.
 
2012-11-02 06:08:34 PM  
I want a president who doesn't use information on a tragedy like Benghazi as a hole card.
He doesn't release it, people speculate on sparse details, then he goes "HA see you were wrong" at a politically opportune time.
Maybe it would have turned out more optimal if someone had looked at all those requests for more security and decided to station assets close enough to respond to this sort of thing. Yeah I know Obama probably had no idea about those requests, but Democrats never ever roll heads.
 
2012-11-02 06:10:15 PM  
Gee, great job there NPR. Pretty much zero citations for everything vomited onto the page, most of which countered by actual facts....things like official emails. Official cables. People testifying in Congress. First, belittle and ignore the story for weeks. Then grudgingly acknowledge it, followed by spin and lying. Media WIN!

And they forgot THE VIDEO?? Now you know it's B.S. if they didn't mention the video which is responsible for the whole thing!
 
2012-11-02 06:11:23 PM  

dinch: Agneska: Why was the Obama admin trying to bamboozle Americans by saying that the attack was related to the video? Obama lied, Americans died.

Oh, so because Obama didn't come right out and call it a terrorist attack Americans died?

Now I get the anger.


I wasn't surprised, but very disappointed when so much of the FOX and Limbaugh crowd were obsessing over an "ism" not being at the end of a word. It was just...pathetic. Were Obama a Republican, I just can't imagine moderates and liberals getting so worked up over whether or not it was called an act of terror. Sure, there might have been a peep here and there, but I doubt the rest of us would have hour-long talk shows dedicated to the subject.

When you target such weaksauce scandal, it belies how desperate you are to smear a man. These people don't care about Benghazi. They care about anything that could possibly be used against the president.
 
2012-11-02 06:12:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: HotIgneous Intruder: Mittens Rmoney is about to lose the elec ... BENGHAZI!

You called?


Apparently, I can't post pics today. Never mind.
 
2012-11-02 06:13:13 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: rillettes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: vpb: There were BDS agents, but I guess only Marines count because armchair derpsters don't know what the BDS is or what they or the Marines actually do.

Truly I have no idea what goes into the training of a BDS agent. I used Marines only because that's what I've seen at the embassies and consulates I've visited around the world. Yeah, I'm that guy. If I go to a foreign country I check in. And I saw more guards (that happen to be Marines) at the consulate in Lithuania then were in Libya. Unless one BDS agent is worth 5 Marines in a fire fight then someone really really messed up in Libya.

There's no American consulate in Lithuania. Are you sure you saw guards at a non-existant place?

You're right...it's an embassy.

Please note, I am NOT agreeing with The Stealth Retardapottamus here. Just pointing out that while he/she/it may not realize the difference between a consulate and an embassy and just made an assumption about what it is they saw, there is something there to be seen.


I considered that possibility, but noticed that he points out that he's "that guy" who visits embassies & consulates wherever he goes.
I don't want to come across as cherry-picking, but his statement about seeing a lot of Marines at some Baltic consulate seemed farfetched. Did research and couldn't find any reference to an American consulate.
I could be wrong, but really think SH used a false affirmation to prove his point.
 
2012-11-02 06:13:13 PM  

Metalupis: a few people I know on FB keep harping on this story, maybe this will get them to calm down (probably not)


It's on NPR. It means nothing. Part of the socialist agenda.

Cletus C.: f the attacks were being so closely monitored and all options so carefully considered why was the "spontaneous demonstrations" and "anti-Muhammad film" crap still being pitched days after?


for christ sake, one more time--the attack was related to the movie. There were some rumors floating around about a planned attack on Benghazi, but nobody was organized enough to do it yet. Then the riots started in Egypt on 9/11, because that crappy movie had suddenly (coincidentally, I'm sure) started making the rounds in the Arab world. The terrorists, or angry mob, or whoever they were, decided to go for it in Libya because they saw the riots in Egypt going on. There was no attack on the embassy in Libya planned for 9/11.
 
2012-11-02 06:13:25 PM  

I alone am best: Th official line from the Whitehouse for the last couple of weeks was "We didnt know" now its "We were on top of it the whole time".


It's all about "context". They knew about before they didn't know about it. It was the fog of war n stuff.
 
2012-11-02 06:13:50 PM  
Good thing Fox is doing all the investigation that is finding that Obama did nothing wrong...unless they ignore the facts and go with rumors.

:-\
 
2012-11-02 06:14:03 PM  
So, in other words, after blaming a youtube video for the attack and arresting a man on a technicality of violating his parole while spitting on the 1st amendment, after a month the administration has gotten its lies straight.

Oh, and they did nothing for 7 hours.
 
2012-11-02 06:14:35 PM  

pxsteel: 'we watched in horror but did not have time to react'

holy farking shiat are the lies getting deep

We have quick strike units that are designed for this very scenario. We have the ability to reach nearly every city in the world within a couple of hours and with enough firepower to level it.

People died, Obama lied

You are all trolls, right, how can anyone believe the crap coming out of the whitehouse.


Didn't you read the article? Reinforcements were sent 25 minutes in.

The fact is that no diplomatic facility is built to withstand an organized attack from 150+ armed men, and if it was, it wouldn't be a diplomatic facility. It would be a military facility.
 
2012-11-02 06:17:05 PM  

beta_plus: arresting a man on a technicality of violating his parole while spitting on the 1st amendment


So people who violate their parole shouldn't be arrested?

I thought Conservatives were supposed to be tough on crime.
 
2012-11-02 06:17:28 PM  
So now the conservative tow line is going to be to attack the administration for inconsistency between what they said/what actually happened and the narrative the GOP created. Why do these people hate reality SO MUCH?
 
2012-11-02 06:18:41 PM  

pxsteel: We have quick strike units that are designed for this very scenario. We have the ability to reach nearly every city in the world within a couple of hours and with enough firepower to level it.


So we should have just bombed the shiat out of Benghazi? Do we have bombs smart enough to kill only bad guys, now? And leave all the civilians and Americans alive? What exactly would your cunning plan have achieved?

Remind me not to vote for your dumb ass
 
2012-11-02 06:19:52 PM  
What they said which time?
It's always evolving w/ this guy.
 
2012-11-02 06:20:27 PM  

Hickory-smoked: neenerist: alizeran: Sadly, NPR is offering facts to intellectual giants like this:

"The buddhists are coming to take our religious freedoms".

Thanks for the depression. That's even too much stupid for a Friday night.

I think we may have found footage of Agneska in the wild...

/granted this was about as far as I could watch


Considering how emotional that old lady was in that short interview, she's probably going to have a heart attack when Obama gets re-elected.
 
2012-11-02 06:21:34 PM  
I mean this was almost 2 months ago.
 
2012-11-02 06:21:42 PM  

Tigger: GameSprocket: Kazan: cchris_39: Wow.

Even for state sponsored media NPR, that was pretty daming.

The article openly admits that we knew damn well what was happening even at it happened, but had no resources or clue how to respond.

it wasn't considered a hot theater of operations by the military or intelligence agencies, because it hadn't been for eons. the fact that we had scant resources in the area sorta makes sense from that context if you, you know, THINK ABOUT IT.

Give it up. Anyone with an IQ over 30 (and I know that leaves out the tea baggers) knows that an embassy is protected by the host country. You don't arm it like a military base. There is a reason why diplomats are sometimes called "soldiers without guns".

So what are the marines at embassies doing there? Are they for decoration?

I'm currently on the fence between 'not sure if serios' and 'not sure if tard'


The primary mission of the MSG is to provide security, particularly the protection of classified information and equipment vital to the national security of the United States at American diplomatic posts.

Of course, how to respond to a threat to such information may change. My friends in State always recommended grabbing the nearest locked file cabinet and hope the Marines carry both of you to safety...

That said, one hopes the local guard force and host country forces keep the mobs out
 
2012-11-02 06:22:26 PM  

cryinoutloud: Metalupis: a few people I know on FB keep harping on this story, maybe this will get them to calm down (probably not)

It's on NPR. It means nothing. Part of the socialist agenda.

Cletus C.: f the attacks were being so closely monitored and all options so carefully considered why was the "spontaneous demonstrations" and "anti-Muhammad film" crap still being pitched days after?

for christ sake, one more time--the attack was related to the movie. There were some rumors floating around about a planned attack on Benghazi, but nobody was organized enough to do it yet. Then the riots started in Egypt on 9/11, because that crappy movie had suddenly (coincidentally, I'm sure) started making the rounds in the Arab world. The terrorists, or angry mob, or whoever they were, decided to go for it in Libya because they saw the riots in Egypt going on. There was no attack on the embassy in Libya planned for 9/11.


You need to study up a little more. This attack was not spontaneously planned on 9/11.
 
2012-11-02 06:22:52 PM  

alizeran: Sadly, NPR is offering facts to intellectual giants like this:

"The buddhists are coming to take our religious freedoms".


I just saw that over at Wonkette. It's farking painful to watch. He's a Muslim atheist who attended a radical Christian church for 20 years! Communist!

It's no wonder people like this are Republicans. The GOP is the party that tens to trade of propaganda more than facts, and that's most efficiently applied to morans. Please note that I'm not claiming that all liberals are smart. Just that our rallies seem to have a higher median IQ.

/yes, you can provide me a clip of some libtard making an ass of himself. But every conservative rally I've ever seen has a disturbingly large "Mooslin usurper" crowd.
 
2012-11-02 06:24:49 PM  

beta_plus: So, in other words, after blaming a youtube video for the attack and arresting a man on a technicality of violating his parole while spitting on the 1st amendment, after a month the administration has gotten its lies straight.

Oh, and they did nothing for 7 hours.


Look who didn't read the article!
 
2012-11-02 06:28:07 PM  

Aldon: Good thing Fox is doing all the investigation that is finding that Obama did nothing wrong...unless they ignore the facts and go with rumors.

:-\


"People are saying" that Obama is having a romantic affair with one of the Benghazi assailants. Could this be true? More after the break."

And that's exactly what they do, the "people are saying" bullsh*t. Even if the rest of segment doesn't demonstrate any truth, they put the idea out there to stick in viewer's heads. It's aggravating to watch.
 
2012-11-02 06:28:07 PM  

Cletus C.: I haven't been buying into the hysteria generated by Fox and others but I'm still irked by the mixed messages coming out of the White House and administration.

If the attacks were being so closely monitored and all options so carefully considered why was the "spontaneous demonstrations" and "anti-Muhammad film" crap still being pitched days after?

Obama cited an "act of terror" but that lacked the specificity of a coordinated attack by terrorists. In fact, he, Hillary and others in the administration kept pointing at the film.

All that seems even more deceptive in light of this story.


Deceptive of what?

If this was a cover, what exactly was it covering? That we had a base there? That the libyans attacked the militants?

I think that the only thing that will come out of this whole incident, is that it will be a teaching moment. We clearly had an intelligence failure in not detecting the attack. Procedures need to be revised and adjusted to prevent a future attack. Saying that shiat happens.
 
2012-11-02 06:29:19 PM  
The crux of this story is that the right doesn't know what an effective response to a terror attack looks like.

Nearly everyone involved had been arrested within 6 weeks of the attack, the responsible group has been effectively dismantled. No 10 year ground war, no massive roll back of civil liberties.
 
2012-11-02 06:30:18 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: So, in other words, after blaming a youtube video for the attack and arresting a man on a technicality of violating his parole while spitting on the 1st amendment, after a month the administration has gotten its lies straight.

Oh, and they did nothing for 7 hours.

Look who didn't read the article!


Look who you're talking to.

When has he said anything remotely relevant to the topic at hand?
 
2012-11-02 06:32:28 PM  

shotglasss: What does that have to do with NPR being a taxpayer funded arm of the DNC?


"Arm of the DNC?" Are you farking retarded? Please demonstrate for me how NPR is in any way similar to FOX News, but for the left. Difficulty: Just because NPR doesn't specifically endorse conservative causes do not make it "liberal." It makes it factual, and that is all.

You need to turn off the AM radio, son. It's making you dumber every day.
 
2012-11-02 06:34:04 PM  
I didn't think it possible, but I now have less respect for conservatives than before this whole Benghazi thing. Damn you people are slower than the heat death of the universe. PLEASE ONE OF YOU MORONS EXPLAIN WHAT OBAMA DID THAT CAUSED ANYTHING BAD TO HAPPEN!!!
 
2012-11-02 06:34:08 PM  
A consulate did not have a carrier group and 5 SEAL teams stationed within 5 minutes of it. Welcome to Obama's America.

/Benghazi is so fetch
 
2012-11-02 06:34:47 PM  

Cletus C.: You need to study up a little more. This attack was not spontaneously planned on 9/11.


When was it planned? I mean, what day exactly did the first person with the idea to attack the consulate in BG meet with the second person who he told the idea to and who agreed with it? Who were these people? Who else was involved with the planning? Where did they procure their weapons? From whom? When and where were 50 additional attackers recruited from? Why, with 50 attackers and prior planning were they unable to stage the type of spectacular terror attack we've seen in the past like in the African embassy bombing, the Khobar Towers, 9/11, the Hotel attacks? Why no major bombs? 50 attackers, prior planning and they only net 4 American dead?


Seems people like to think they know a lot more about what happened than they really do.

We should be calling this what it really is: a piss-poor terror attack not worthy of prolonged navel-gazing or threats to remove the president in charge. We are sending the message to the terrorists that American have no balls, that killing 4 is the same as killing 700 or 3000. It's ridiculous.
 
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