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2012-11-02 01:22:02 PM  
12 votes:

hdhale: The economy isn't forward fast enough, radically raising taxes won't help that or our debt issues in a significant way, and speak of the debt about the only thing Obama seems capable of doing with it is making it bigger. Time for a change.


That is patently retarded. When Obama was elected, only morons thought he could fix everything quickly like he was some kind of messiah. No one could have. People point to Reagan's miraculous recovery, but that was completely different. Reagan didn't come into office with banks failing left and right, a housing bubble having popped and economies around the world crumbling. Reagan inherited a stubbed toe. Obama inherited multiple compound fractures.

So any realistic person was expecting almost EXACTLY what has happened. A little time to turn around the economy, and then slow steady growth. Anyone who thinks this could have been fixed in three and a half years is a bullshiatter or is just ignorant.

As to the debt, yeah, it got bigger. Obama put two unpaid for wars, a massive tax cut and Medicare Plan B on the books. Bush kept those off the books, so things did not look as bleak during his run.

So you think, wrongly, that the economy would have been fixed if only someone who knew what they were doing had been president. And your answer to that imagined scenario is to put in a man who is famous for profiting off the misery of others, outsourcing jobs and killing companies. And he wants to implement most if not all of the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place. George W Bush II - Financial Boogaloo?

No thanks.
2012-11-02 01:46:00 PM  
10 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Cythraul: [scrapetv.com image 299x240]

Still better than this.

News flash! Bush isn't running.

Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.


Barack Obama was elected President of The United States of America.
2012-11-02 01:10:27 PM  
4 votes:
People - he's been President for four years already. Let's deal with reality,
2012-11-02 02:13:19 PM  
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Where does Kevin Bacon enter into this?


If the Republicans lose, it will be in some part because of many ignorant and insensitive comments made by Republicans about rape. Just like Texas Governor candidate, Clayton Williams, wrecked his own campaign in 1990 by making a joke about rape. Ann Richards won the election and with her as the incumbent in 1994, Dubya was able to run against her and win. It was his prominence as Texas Governor that allowed him to run for Presidrlent in 2000 and win*. His eight years as President inspired Oliver Stone to make the film W, the same director who made JFK which featured Kevin Bacon.
2012-11-02 01:36:41 PM  
3 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: hdhale: The economy isn't forward fast enough, radically raising taxes won't help that or our debt issues in a significant way, and speak of the debt about the only thing Obama seems capable of doing with it is making it bigger. Time for a change.

That is patently retarded. When Obama was elected, only morons thought he could fix everything quickly like he was some kind of messiah.


As evidence to that statement - the only people I ever heard refer to Obama as the "messiah" are Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc, etc, etc.
2012-11-02 01:33:18 PM  
3 votes:
Because, you know, Harvard Law School takes in students (without rich parents) with low GPAs into its program.
2012-11-02 01:27:40 PM  
3 votes:
Man he really pulled his shiat together at Harvard to get Magna Cum Laude then
2012-11-02 05:17:49 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: lennavan: Who the fark is actually against green energy, except for people who own oil companies?

Me. Me. It just isn't economical yet.


So you're for it. You just think it's too expensive. A single F-22 Raptor costs the military over $400 million. I certainly hope in your discussion of what is and is not economical, you have factored in enormous reductions in military spending. Because I'm thinkin we could cut three F-22's from the budget and use that $1 Billion to subsidize green energy until it is economical. I imagine Russia would still not invade if we were down 3 F-22's.
2012-11-02 05:02:59 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: A Dark Evil Omen: So the Republican health care plan from 1996, authored by the Heritage Foundation, that cements the private nature of health insurance is a turn to the left?

Actually, yes. I don't like it. I don't like it then either.

Another one. THe Auto bail out and Cash for Clunkers.

Another one: Green Energy. Volt, Solindra ect.

Another one: pulling the drilling permits in the gulf.


So: Corporate investment, corporate investment, and a brief moratorium that is already well over (and permits are up) on corporate dick-sucking in the wake of a massive environmental disaster.

Boy, these turns to the left look remarkably like right-wing policies.
2012-11-02 04:47:19 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: So, you're either trolling in this thread, or you're not exactly living up to that whole selfishness "virtue."

Dude, if you needed a hand I would be the 1st to help you out. In fact I'm probably headed over to NJ tomorrow morning to volunteer.

I normally don't comment in the politic tab. Guess why?


Because you just say a bunch of baseless nonsense and deflect away when someone asks you to back up your words with examples?
2012-11-02 04:02:20 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: CorporatePerson: but they're sure he studied dangerous liberal ideas,

Do you know how they know this? Because Obama admitted as much in his own book:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structured feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpets or set our stereos so loud the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent, or careless, or insecure. We were alienated.

But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Barrack Obama - Dreams of My Father, page 101


If we can believe Paul Ryan doesn't REALLY subscribe to Ayn Rand's philosophy, despite being on record as saying this, just 7 years ago:

(1:45) I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we're engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that's what I tell people..you know everybody does their soul-searching, and trying to find out who they are and what they believe, and you learn about yourself.

(2:01) I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are. It's inspired me so much that it's required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There's a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well.

"I always go back to... Francisco d'Anconia's speech [in Atlas Shrugged] on money when I think about monetary policy."
(2:23) But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.

(2:38) In almost every fight we are involved in here, on Capitol Hill, whether it's an amendment vote that I'll take later on this afternoon, or a big piece of policy we're putting through our Ways and Means Committee, it is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict: individualism vs. collectivism.

(2:54) And so when you take a look at where we are today, ah, some would say we're on offense, some would say we're on defense, I'd say it's a little bit of both. And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism-that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism-you can't find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand.

(3: 21) It's so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand's vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are. I always go back to, you know, Francisco d'Anconia's speech (at Bill Taggart's wedding) on money when I think about monetary policy. And then I go to the 64-page John Galt speech, you know, on the radio at the end, and go back to a lot of other things that she did, to try and make sure that I can check my premises so that I know that what I'm believing and doing and advancing are square with the key principles of individualism...

(6:53) Is this an easy fight? Absolutely not...But if we're going to actually win this we need to make sure that we're solid on premises, that our principles are well-defended, and if we want to go and articulately defend these principles and what they mean to our society, what they mean for the trends that we set internationally, we have to go back to Ayn Rand. Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand's writings and works.


Just because Obama studied and discussed certain subjects (as he says, in an attempt to fit in) doesn't mean he subscribed to them.

Paul Ryan, on the other hand, actually required his staff to read Ayn Rand. But he now says he doesn't really think all that stuff that he said recently. Things like "

"In almost every fight we are involved in here, on Capitol Hill...it is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict: individualism vs. collectivism...That is why there is no more fight that is more obvious between the differences of these two conflicts than Social Security. Social Security right now is a collectivist system, it's a welfare transfer system."

Nah, that's fine. But Obama consorted with radicals in college! HORROR!
2012-11-02 03:54:09 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: Seems to me if Romney would make good on his promise for North American energy independence, then that would be bad for European and Asian energy companies.


If Romney made good on that promise, he would be a magician, as energy independence has and will continue to be a goal that is both impossible and yet still trumpeted by presidential candidates because it sounds good to the rubes.
2012-11-02 03:07:08 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: I was pointing out that there are reasons to want to look at the presidents records other than racism.


Sure, like partisan hackery for instance.

There are no relevant reasons to look at anything Obama did beyond his first term as POTUS. You use records and transcripts and things to predict how someone will be. Obama actually was POTUS. You don't have to predict. You can actually know.

internut scholar: I'm sure some people may have a problem with their president seeking out Marxist professors when he attended college.


Right. So during the first election people were super concerned that electing Obama would bring Marxism to the U.S. But again, rather than try to predict if Obama would bring Marxism to the U.S. as POTUS based on his background, we can actually know. Obama has been POTUS for nearly 4 years and is the current POTUS. Do we live in a Marxist society? No? Question answered.
2012-11-02 02:56:02 PM  
2 votes:

internut scholar: Dr Dreidel: I read Karl Marx in a college class the week before we read Reagan's Challenger speech.

Did you also chose your friends carefully? Were you resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions?

Maybe none of that bothers you, perhaps you are more sympathetic to Marxism than another voter?

I understand that most people here have absolutely no problem with Obama's passage in his book. But that wasn't my original point.

I was pointing out that there are reasons to want to look at the presidents records other than racism.


As evidenced by all the calls for Romney's transcripts and information about what books he read and professors he had.
2012-11-02 02:03:46 PM  
2 votes:

karnal: BSABSVR


karnal: This time the man answered, "Oh about 100″. So the robot started discussing NASCAR racing, the latest basketball scores, and what to expect the Dodgers to do this weekend.

Elistist.


....and what would your IQ be, WordMaster?


High enough not to recycle 20 year old jokes with new names.
2012-11-02 01:46:09 PM  
2 votes:

kregh99: Romney wears magic underpants and talks to invisible people.


I honestly don't think this gets talked about enough.
2012-11-02 01:45:51 PM  
2 votes:
I have many conservative family members who truly resent being called racists, but any time they start herping and derping about Obama's grades, I have no other choice. Only a racist gives a damn about this stuff.

I've heard the argument break down two ways.

1. Affirmative action: They'll swear Obama's clearly borderline retarded, and the only sensible conclusion is that he got into Harvard because he was unfairly handed an opportunity that should have gone to a smarter, more qualified white person.
2. Scary black ideas. In this instance, they're not claiming he did badly in school, but they're sure he studied dangerous liberal ideas, and probably got high grades from radical professors.

The idea that anyone who doesn't already hate Obama would change their opinion of him based on either of these factors is ridiculous. Anybody who feels Obama has governed as an intelligent person isn't going to suddenly change based on grades from years ago. And only those who already project all the stereotypes of "angry scary black guy from the ghetto" onto the president are going to care whether or not he studied critical race theory because it's one more stupid bubble in their crazy "black people coming to get all the white folks" flow chart that's logic so insane and nonsensical, only the herpest of the derp can even attempt to explain it.
2012-11-02 01:36:27 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.


i50.tinypic.com 

/unskewed
2012-11-02 01:29:37 PM  
2 votes:
These are the same people who thought it was adorably American that Dubya was an admitted C student. Now they're breathlessly damning the president for an evidence free rumor.
2012-11-02 05:59:30 PM  
1 vote:

SouthParkCon: This pretty much sums up this thread. The Fark Progressive Brigade does not ask questions of Dear Leader, and neither should you.


As a member of the Fark Progressive Brigade, I have LOTS of questions for Dear Leader:

WTF are we doing with the drones?

NDAA?!?

Why is the DEA harassing dispensaries?

...and more.

That said, PBO is LIGHTYEARS better than Mitt Romney. As a leader, and as a person.
2012-11-02 05:44:12 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: In the debate he talked about cutting funding to PBS, and people went nuts. When we start having to make cuts to pay our bills people are going to lose their shiat.


PBS isn't really "funded" in the traditional sense. They get a few million nationwide for specific educational program, but the network itself is primarily "funded" by giving it a chunk of the EM spectrum in which to broadcast. Can't really convert that one to quick cash, man.

We are probably going to have to default on our debt. before things get better.

Question, you think Obama will?


Given that a huge chunk of the economy relies very directly on the US's central bank having a good credit rating, default's not gonna happen. Maybe deferred payment on some bonds, but that's about it.
2012-11-02 05:39:10 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: CorporatePerson: But if you think Obama's plan is too leftist so you're gonna vote for the guy he stole it from

I have to tell you, I am not happy about that. But there are more than just one issue to consider. I actually think (hope) Romney will balance the budget. That is my main concern right now.

If they don't get that under control we are all f-ed.


I dunno, man. Obama has managed to reduce the deficit. Albeit, not as much as I'd like (I'd kind of like to see it _closed_), but given that he can't raise revenue without the cooperation of congress, which can't even pass a budget, and has achieved it all through increasing internal efficiency and cutting costs on the operational end I do think he deserves some credit.

Also, given that Romney's stated plan for killing the deficit is literally mathematically impossible (the total sum of all deductions is less than 10% of the deficit, since he's promised to cut no programs and raise no taxes that's literally impossible, not just the "too hard" meaning of impossible usually used in politics), he's demonstrated no real grasp of finance beyond the principle of leverage and conversion of long-term assets for short-term gain ("vulture capitalism") and his backers explicitly want to broaden the deficit... well, let's just say that it puts my mild discomfort with Obama's sometimes not-hugely-effective approach to budgeting in perspective.
2012-11-02 05:22:55 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: lennavan: Who the fark is actually against green energy, except for people who own oil companies?

Me. Me. It just isn't economical yet. Maybe in a few hundred years, but unfortunately I don't think we are going to see it.


i865.photobucket.com


Link

Wind power accounted for 6.9% of the electricity generated in Texas during 2011.
2012-11-02 05:05:09 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: It is not the same plan. Some things are similar, a lot is different. But I don't like that plan either.


Yes, you're a far rightist trying to accuse someone who is still right-wing of being a leftist because he's not as far right as you. We get it, you have made that abundantly clear.
2012-11-02 05:00:49 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: So here you go, 1st off, Affordable Care Act. That is a turn to the left.


The Republicans proposed the Affordable Care Act decades ago. That's an enormous turn to the right. Not only did the (R)'s get what they wanted, they stalled real liberal (lefty) ideals for at least a decade. No one's gonna want to re-fight health care any day soon, right after we got the ACA. There are liberals out there who support repeal of the ACA for just that reason.

internut scholar: We have now established that government is going to dictate our health insurance issues to us.


I prefer the government making the rules to the health insurance companies having no rules and dictating the terms of our care to us using profits as the sole motive.
2012-11-02 04:58:17 PM  
1 vote:

rufus-t-firefly: lennavan: internut scholar: I don't care that Obama gravitated towards leftist his whole life I just want people to know about it so that they can make their own judgment call. If that works for you then do it, if not, at least you know.

No one on the left thinks he gravited left. He's a centrist. You have no farking clue what you're talking about. I didn't vote for him in the 2008 primary.

I'm in Texas. I was seriously tempted to vote Green since, you know, my vote means jack shiat. But I have come to despise the Teabaggers and the Evangelicals who have put aside their hatred of Mormonism so they can "take their country back that I voted Obama because anyone they hate so much has to have a lot going for him.

If anyone can tell you that Obama is no leftist, it's a leftist.


Oh yeah. I'll admit, as a leftist, I'm jealous of the Tea Party. It would be really nice to see a leftist equivalent rise up that garners equal attention. I'd also love to see the libertarian and green candidates hit 5%. Not that I'd vote libertarian, just that I think more viable parties would be a good thing. I didn't vote green, she wasn't on the ballot.
2012-11-02 04:57:34 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: So here you go, 1st off, Affordable Care Act. That is a turn to the left. We have now established that government is going to dictate our health insurance issues to us. This is just the 1st step. Now I understand that this bill, is nowhere close to where you lefties want to go, but hang tight because it's a great 1st step. Congrats on that.


So the Republican health care plan from 1996, authored by the Heritage Foundation, that cements the private nature of health insurance is a turn to the left?
2012-11-02 04:54:49 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: Maud Dib: NO one is screaming racism. Your premise of Obama "veering left" is being questioned.

Look, I understand the demographics here. Many people here don't believe that Obama is a leftist. I keep hearing center left. I believe that most commenters here are left of Mao. So when I start pointing out programs that I don't like, you won't understand my point of view. So why bother?


As far as your link, I don't like any of that either.
So maybe we can agree on something.
Sounds like a Pinko Commie Marxist -Leftist to me.

Sounds too authoritarian to me for a supposedly free country.


Look, you're a far rightist, we get it. You still have not, even from your far right position, been able to point to one single policy position or one action Obama has taken as president that indicates even left-of-center positioning, let alone hard left. If all you're concerned about is what he was doing in college, well, fark, he wrote about it, in that book that you keep harping on. If that's what the coverup is... Shiat, that's the worst coverup ever! I know that if I was trying to cover something up I wouldn't write it in a book published for mass consumption!
2012-11-02 04:49:45 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: right of center now

What? Oh come on. Fark, what am I then?


You tell me.

And as soon as you show us leftist policies that Obama has implemented, you'll have a case for him being on the left.

Difficulty: you can't use ObamaCare unless you want to call Romney a leftist too.
2012-11-02 04:42:41 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: Citations?

I cited the president's own words, where he wanted to seek out the Marxists professors. It was in his book, I posted the referenced passage up thread.


"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structured feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpets or set our stereos so loud the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent, or careless, or insecure. We were alienated.

But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

It seems disingeuous and/or misleading to state baldly that "he wanted to seek out the Marxists (sic) professors" when that was one group in a laundry list of outsiders he named to illustrate his thinking at the time. Context matters.
2012-11-02 04:35:33 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: I don't care that Obama gravitated towards leftist his whole life I just want people to know about it so that they can make their own judgment call. If that works for you then do it, if not, at least you know.


No one on the left thinks he gravited left. He's a centrist. You have no farking clue what you're talking about. I didn't vote for him in the 2008 primary.
2012-11-02 04:35:02 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: Actually yes I would.

See? That's not so hard. Just say what you mean, if other people like it they will follow you.


For the past 4 years, Obama has sold himself as a moderate centrist and has governed like one too. I am voting for him expecting 4 more years of this behavior.

Why do you keep saying he's being dishonest by not selling himself as a Marxist radical liberal? Where is this dramatic left turn you keep referring to? The only evidence you're providing is a paragraph from his book about the time he was in college.

You can just admit that and speculation is all you got.
2012-11-02 04:34:40 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: Oh...well, that settles it then. Do we want an Objectivist Ayn Rand devotee a heartbeat away from the presidency?

Actually yes I would.

See? That's not so hard. Just say what you mean, if other people like it they will follow you..


So why is Paul Ryan trying to pretend that he never meant any of those things that he has said? And why should we not hold that against him?

Oh, and I couldn't help but notice that in your profile (being a new arrival to the Politics thread, a lot of us probably made sure your account wasn't a day old), you say you like "helping people out."

So, you're either trolling in this thread, or you're not exactly living up to that whole selfishness "virtue."
2012-11-02 04:29:10 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: If Obama has Marxist leanings because of a few sentences, then Paul Ryan is a hardcore Objectivist because of a detailed speech and policy proposals.

I'd rather trust someone with Marxist "sympathies" than someone who was devoted to Ayn Rand enough to give a speech to THE ATLAS SOCIETY and require his staff read her books. Oh, and give the books as gifts.

Good, that is exactly what I want. People should get exactly who they vote for. If that's how you think, be honest about it. I'm pretty right wing. I don't deny it.


The point. You missed it.

Unless you're completely fine with Ayn Rand and her "Virtue of Selfishness," in which case I truly hope you never are in need through no fault of your own.
2012-11-02 04:28:30 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: CorporatePerson: internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: Citations?
I cited the president's own words, where he wanted to seek out the Marxists professors. It was in his book, I posted the referenced passage up thread.

And yet you still can't produce any evidence that he took a hard left as president.

Are you sure you're not just trolling everybody?


I knew eventually I would be labeled a troll. Listen fellas there are like 20 of you and one of me. I am already way off topic of my original point. Which was, I don't think you guys are right when you scream racism because someone wants to know something about a politician's back ground. I don't discount that there are racists that would use anything to get the "N word" out of there. I know they exists. But they exists on both sides of the isle.
Sometimes people just want some background information.


NO one is screaming racism. Your premise of Obama "veering left" is being questioned.
Did you click on the farking link?

Here, I'l make it easy for you.

Link


Obama has embraced virtually every significant aspect of Bush's national security strategy. The current administration has signed off on warrantless wiretapping and has claimed the authority to start wars even in the face of explicit congressional opposition. The White House has hid behind a shroud of extreme secrecy, invoking the Espionage Act against whistleblowers and stonewalling torture investigation by revising the Freedom of Information Act through executive order. The FBI has continued its crackdown on dissenters and infiltrations of peaceful political groups. Obama has even formalized the most extreme Bush-era claim of executive power -- the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely without charge. His administration has gone even further to claim the president can kill any suspected terrorist in the world by drone bombing, describing his personal mental calculation over such decisions as "due process."


Sounds like a Pinko Commie Marxist -Leftist to me.
2012-11-02 04:27:11 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: Dr Dreidel: I read Karl Marx in a college class the week before we read Reagan's Challenger speech.

Did you also chose your friends carefully? Were you resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions?


I like to think I choose (still) my friends carefully. And yes, I delight in subverting or defying social conventions. Of course, I'm an IT guy with a ponytail, so...

Maybe none of that bothers you, perhaps you are more sympathetic to Marxism than another voter?

Probably. Marx was on to something, sociologically speaking (his economics...rely a bit on altruism and people spontaneously spurning greedy or political-power-consolidating tendencies). But I recognize that I'm more liberal than many voters (I'd put myself at around a 70, if 0 is "full-on fascism" and 100 is "pure Marxism"). I've also got a libertarian streak, as I suspect many of us do (even if we don't like calling it that). So what?

And even if Obama was a full-on Marxist (which is a very silly postulate), he was duly elected. The fact that a Marxist is polling so well after a full Marxist term would seem to indicate that Americans are fine with Marxism, and YOU'RE out of touch (or, that Obama is as "out-of-touch" as half of America). But again, Obama's been as right/center-right as Clinton (probably righter)

I understand that most people here have absolutely no problem with Obama's passage in his book. But that wasn't my original point.

I was pointing out that there are reasons to want to look at the presidents records other than racism.


Because of who he was in college? Yeah, run with that. Apply that same dogged research-based criticism of all presidential candidates. For funsies, do it historically - you review their college lives, I'll review their political records. Let's see which one of us can better match a president with their policies.
2012-11-02 04:01:02 PM  
1 vote:

CorporatePerson: internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: Citations?
I cited the president's own words, where he wanted to seek out the Marxists professors. It was in his book, I posted the referenced passage up thread.

And yet you still can't produce any evidence that he took a hard left as president.

Are you sure you're not just trolling everybody?


Don't recall seeing the handle on the Politics tab before.
Got-damn trolls.

i865.photobucket.com
2012-11-02 03:58:31 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: rufus-t-firefly: Citations?

I cited the president's own words, where he wanted to seek out the Marxists professors. It was in his book, I posted the referenced passage up thread.


The premise of your argument is "words are louder than actions." Who cares what Obama actually did for four years, check out these words he wrote about himself from decades ago. You're fundamentally stupid.
2012-11-02 03:56:10 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: lennavan: When you want to predict how someone will act, by all means go for it. But you're a farking moran if you're trying to predict how someone will act when you can actually look at how they acted.

I know what point you are trying to make, but we just have a different opinion on how he presided. To me, he did go hard left, just as I suspected he would.


No, you don't seem to understand the point I'm trying to make. We aren't arguing on how he presided. We're arguing about what evidence is relevant in drawing conclusions.

Mitt Romney bullied some kid long ago in high school. Mitt Romney was also in an elected executive office, he was the governor. To predict how Romney will act as POTUS, one of those is relevant and the other is not.

Barack Obama did some stuff long ago in college. He is also the current POTUS and has been for nearly four years. To predict how Obama will act as POTUS in the next term, one of those is relevant and the other is not.
2012-11-02 03:55:19 PM  
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internut scholar: CorporatePerson: So on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being "that's silly" and 10 being "certainly a possibility") how likely do you think it is for President Obama to dismantle capitalism and implement a communist economic system in his second term?

0 it wouldn't happen.

That doens't mean I don't want to know what his ideology is.


I told someone else this, I'll tell you too. If Obama wins reelection the world will go on. I will be just fine. I just think Romney would do a better job as president.


In a vacuum you may be correct. Regardless of what partisans on either side think, they would probably be remarkably similar. I wouldn't discount that a Romney presidency would be better in theory.

However, in practice, my fear is him in office is that the far right will have a guy that will play ball with them. If you think that the Republican controlled House is anything less than a bizarre cesspoolish fusion of religious/economic zealotry then either you or I are living in a bizarre fantasy land. Regardless of if Republicans are more correct on the fiscal front or not, the fact that they are incapable of compromise or rational discussion makes them the real "dangerous radicals" Actions occurring today speak much louder than what may or may not have happened decades ago.
2012-11-02 03:54:08 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: lennavan: When you want to predict how someone will act, by all means go for it. But you're a farking moran if you're trying to predict how someone will act when you can actually look at how they acted.

I know what point you are trying to make, but we just have a different opinion on how he presided. To me, he did go hard left, just as I suspected he would.


Based on what? You can't have "differing opinions" about what actually happened.
2012-11-02 03:49:36 PM  
1 vote:
Mitt Romney was speaking at a roof top event in Harrisburg Pennsylvania when he made a very odd statement about President Obama. Romney said that President Obama "spent too much time at Harvard University" which is an apparent jab at his liberal tendencies and trying to call him an academic snob.

While this is an attack that is heard kind of often among Republican circles it is odd for Romney because he also went to Harvard University, and spent a year more than Obama did there.

Romney enrolled in a four-year program at Harvard in 1971, eventually earning a joint JD and MBA and graduating cum laude in 1975. In 1988, Obama began attending Harvard Law School. He spent three years there, eventually becoming president of the Harvard Law Review before graduating magna cum laude and receiving his JD in 1991.

So to sum it up, Romney spent four years there and Obama spent three years there. Even more ironic is that Obama graduated with a better GPA than Romney did.


Link

Eat a heaping bowl of dicks, Willard.
2012-11-02 03:46:16 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: I disagree, in politics you don't get to where you want to be in one day, or one administration. I think that Obama took a harder turn to the left than Bill Clinton did and more so than Hillary would have.


Bill Clinton raised taxes and Obama hasn't. Obama also implemented a national version of Romneycare, an idea created by the Heritage Foundation and offered by 90's Republicans as an alternative to Hillarycare.

Where did this hard turn to the left occur? Please cite some sources so I can tell my liberal commie friends who are totally disappointed with how Obama has governed much farther to the center/right than they anticipated.
2012-11-02 03:44:40 PM  
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internut scholar: I disagree, in politics you don't get to where you want to be in one day, or one administration.


So, if I follow, Obama's great big Marxist Socialism plot is to get elected to a first term, pass absolutely nothing socialist at all to lull us into electing him to a second term where BAM-O he can hit us with some Kenyan Kommunism?

That's a very concerning thought you have there.
2012-11-02 03:44:16 PM  
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internut scholar: CorporatePerson: Obama admitted it in his book, and anyone who's paid attention to how he's governed would see he's rather corporate friendly (as evidenced by Wall Street and corporate America's record profits).

I disagree, in politics you don't get to where you want to be in one day, or one administration. I think that Obama took a harder turn to the left than Bill Clinton did and more so than Hillary would have.


Based on what? What exactly has Obama done that makes you think that he is anything other than a center-right corporatist?
2012-11-02 03:38:23 PM  
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tenpoundsofcheese: Cythraul: [scrapetv.com image 299x240]

Still better than this.

News flash! Bush isn't running.


The point is that your standards seem to change depending on the person in office.

SHOCKING REVELATION.

Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.

He's an Ivy League lawyer? I thought that was bad. Why in the fark do you want to elect HIM?
2012-11-02 03:35:15 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: Would you rather cover-up a potential embarrassing fact? Would it depend on if he was a D or a R?


When you want to predict how someone will act, by all means go for it. But you're a farking moran if you're trying to predict how someone will act when you can actually look at how they acted.

I bet tomorrow you'll argue Aaron Rodgers will be a terrible NFL quarterback and no NFL team should hire him due to how poorly he played Nerf football in middle school.
2012-11-02 03:31:28 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: Do you have a problem with people's background being exposed when they are going to be running the country?


Nope. Obama is not "going to be running the country," he is currently running the country.

internut scholar: But there are people that are independent, perhaps they would like to know that their president is sympathetic to Marxism.


Right. As president, will Obama be sympathetic to Marxism. A great question. You don't have to guess. You don't have to dig. You can actually know. As POTUS, was he sympathetic to Marxism?

Matt Forte is an NFL running back for the Chicago Bears. Forte's contract with the Chicago Bears was up at the end of last season. When deciding whether or not they should re-hire Matt Forte, do you think the Bears got out tape of Matt Forte's college football days? That's what you're doing. You're ignoring the years Matt Forte has actually been playing in the NFL, searching his college days and coming up with "hey, he fumbled once here so he's gonna suck."
2012-11-02 03:28:04 PM  
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internut scholar: Do you have a problem with people's background being exposed when they are going to be running the country? Would you rather cover-up a potential embarrassing fact? Would it depend on if he was a D or a R?


Romney was a bishop in a church that didn't consider black people human beings until the 70's.

I don't really believe that has jack to do with anything in 2012. Similarly, college is where you're supposed to go to learn about controversial ideas. This is a good thing.

Obama admitted it in his book, and anyone who's paid attention to how he's governed would see he's rather corporate friendly (as evidenced by Wall Street and corporate America's record profits). I just personally feel that the people who are still terrified of an American communist takeover in the year 2012 are silly and should not be taken seriously. We spent 2008 talking about Jermiah Wright and radical Marxism, and it turned out to be a losing issue nobody cares about other than the people who've thought Obama is Satan since they first saw him.
2012-11-02 03:26:07 PM  
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internut scholar: Philip Francis Queeg: What Romney's ideology and how is that shown through his college experience>?

I'm pretty confident that Romney's background has been brought out. His family history, business, religion ect... We had reporters digging into his high school days to paint him as a bully. But if there was some inkling that he was some sort of radical that was against my core convictions, sure, I would want to know that.


So you just inherent;y trust that Romney is ideologically acceptable without evidence. or even desire for evidence. Why is that? Does he just look more trustworthy?
2012-11-02 03:19:58 PM  
1 vote:

Philip Francis Queeg: internut scholar: CorporatePerson: So on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being "that's silly" and 10 being "certainly a possibility") how likely do you think it is for President Obama to dismantle capitalism and implement a communist economic system in his second term?

0 it wouldn't happen.

That doens't mean I don't want to know what his ideology is.


I told someone else this, I'll tell you too. If Obama wins reelection the world will go on. I will be just fine. I just think Romney would do a better job as president.

What Romney's ideology and how is that shown through his college experience>?


I hear Romney was exposed to the teachings of a man who truly believed theological monarchy to be the most desirable form of government from an early age. During his young adulthood, he even spent time trying to spread this man's ideas abroad. Not only that, but he continues to donate large sums of money to organizations friendly to this belief.
2012-11-02 03:15:38 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: CorporatePerson: internut scholar: CorporatePerson: but they're sure he studied dangerous liberal ideas,

Do you know how they know this? Because Obama admitted as much in his own book:

Yeah, and nobody cared except for the pants-shiatting Republicans who'd cross the street if they saw Wayne Brady.

I'm sure some people may have a problem with their president seeking out Marxist professors when he attended college. I can see why people would want to investigate this more.


The way that you worded it, made it sound like they had no reason what-so-ever to suspect that he associated with radicals.


Maybe it is just me but reading the passage from the book it seems as if if you were black you had 2 choices, go with the crowd that identified you as beeing a sellout or go with the other one.
2012-11-02 03:12:14 PM  
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gunga galunga: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Where does Kevin Bacon enter into this?

If the Republicans lose, it will be in some part because of many ignorant and insensitive comments made by Republicans about rape. Just like Texas Governor candidate, Clayton Williams, wrecked his own campaign in 1990 by making a joke about rape. Ann Richards won the election and with her as the incumbent in 1994, Dubya was able to run against her and win. It was his prominence as Texas Governor that allowed him to run for Presidrlent in 2000 and win*. His eight years as President inspired Oliver Stone to make the film W, the same director who made JFK which featured Kevin Bacon.


I couldn't let this go another second without giving up a *golf clap*.
2012-11-02 03:11:50 PM  
1 vote:

gunga galunga: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Where does Kevin Bacon enter into this?

If the Republicans lose, it will be in some part because of many ignorant and insensitive comments made by Republicans about rape. Just like Texas Governor candidate, Clayton Williams, wrecked his own campaign in 1990 by making a joke about rape. Ann Richards won the election and with her as the incumbent in 1994, Dubya was able to run against her and win. It was his prominence as Texas Governor that allowed him to run for Presidrlent in 2000 and win*. His eight years as President inspired Oliver Stone to make the film W, the same director who made JFK which featured Kevin Bacon.


Bravo, sir. Bravo.
2012-11-02 03:10:41 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: CorporatePerson: So on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being "that's silly" and 10 being "certainly a possibility") how likely do you think it is for President Obama to dismantle capitalism and implement a communist economic system in his second term?

0 it wouldn't happen.

That doens't mean I don't want to know what his ideology is.


I told someone else this, I'll tell you too. If Obama wins reelection the world will go on. I will be just fine. I just think Romney would do a better job as president.


What Romney's ideology and how is that shown through his college experience>?
2012-11-02 03:06:14 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Barack Obama - Estimated IQ Score Range: 121 - 137
Hillary Rodham Clinton - IQ Score = 140
Joe Biden - IQ Score = 121
John McCain's Estimated IQ Score Range: 115 - 125
Ron Paul's Estimated IQ Score Range: 130 - 140
Bill Clinton IQ Score of 159
George W. Bush IQ Score of 138
George H.W. Bush IQ Score of 132
Abraham Lincoln IQ score of 150
Ronald Reagan IQ Score of 105


You realize that those are another variant of the internet arguments over whether Batman could beat Superman in a fight and essentially none of our presidents have actually taken a test and released the results, right?

I mean, not that it matters either way, since what IQ measures isn't actually particularly relevant to the presidency in the first place (actually kinda useless the majority of the time, in all seriousness), but just making sure that people are aware that even if the person posting this isn't making it up, someone at some point was just pulling it out of their ass in the first place.

//A score of 150 in reality means that you have enough facility with pattern recognition that the test ceases to be a reliable test of what it's testing, btw. It's only meaningful as a ranking system to about three stds, which comes out to 145 on the usual metric.
2012-11-02 02:51:24 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah? We have a Governor in Wisconsin that didn't even graduate. Is the GOP going to turn on him next? *crickets*
2012-11-02 02:48:06 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Cythraul: [scrapetv.com image 299x240]

Still better than this.

News flash! Bush isn't running.

Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.


And so now Harvard is a bastion of higher educational excellence? God farking damnit you're a disingenuous partisan twat.
2012-11-02 02:41:18 PM  
1 vote:
So? 2.6 is passing, therefore he earned his degree, therefore there's nothing to complain about academic-wise in his past.

He also passed the bar at some point, iirc, and then went on to build a professional resume at which point none of that mattered anymore at all.

Basically, even were this legit it'd still be unremarkable and irrelevant, what exactly is the point supposed to be?

//Technically 2.5 would not be a GPA capable of graduating from my undergrad program, but I'm an engineer and not one stupid enough to hold other programs to the same standards as departments where bridges start falling down and plants start exploding if you let incompetents pass.
2012-11-02 02:35:24 PM  
1 vote:

Carn: Hey guys, I don't want to shock you, but the president is black.


^^^^October Surprise^^^^


[November Edition]

2012-11-02 02:32:02 PM  
1 vote:

internut scholar: The way that you worded it, made it sound like they had no reason what-so-ever to suspect that he associated with radicals.


I studied Marxism in high school. Maybe I'm a dangerous radical, too.

Secret communism is important business in 2012...
2012-11-02 02:26:02 PM  
1 vote:

bikerific: karnal: The guy had to try it one more time.. So he left, returned and took a stool. Again a martini, and the question, "What is your IQ?"??

This time the man drawled out "Uh.... Bout 50″.

The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked,

"A-r-e y-o-u p-e-o-p-l-e s-t-i-l-l h-a-p-p-y w-i-t-h O-B-A-M-A ?"


This is the first time I've actually found a conservative "joke" to be funny.


Don't give him too much credit, he just replaced "Bush" with "Obama"
2012-11-02 02:21:03 PM  
1 vote:

RevMercutio: [domainnamewire.com image 200x199]

"I had no idea how much people hated bow ties. It took me 20 years to realize that wearing a bow tie is like wearing a middle finger around your neck."

This should clarify the credibility of the Daily Caller. The founder is convinced people hated him for his neckwear.


In fairness, it didn't help.

If you're not in a tuxedo or are Matt Smith, Orville Redenbacher or Bill Nye the Science Guy, you shouldn't be wearing a bow tie.
2012-11-02 02:11:03 PM  
1 vote:
If you are into middle age and still listing your GPA on your resume, that's not really a good sign.
2012-11-02 02:04:09 PM  
1 vote:

Philip Francis Queeg: karnal: Barack Obama - Estimated IQ Score Range: 121 - 137
Hillary Rodham Clinton - IQ Score = 140
Joe Biden - IQ Score = 121
John McCain's Estimated IQ Score Range: 115 - 125
Ron Paul's Estimated IQ Score Range: 130 - 140
Bill Clinton IQ Score of 159
George W. Bush IQ Score of 138
George H.W. Bush IQ Score of 132
Abraham Lincoln IQ score of 150
Ronald Reagan IQ Score of 105

Come on, if you are going to make stuff up, at least make it plausible.

McCain at 115-125? John McCain was the dumbest SOB to run for President in the modern era.


You read that and picked out McCain as the odd one out?
2012-11-02 02:01:22 PM  
1 vote:

CPennypacker: Man he really pulled his shiat together at Harvard to get Magna Cum Laude then


A few day at work some people were talking about the whole thing of Trump challenging him to bring out his transcripts. I pointed out the detail of graduating Magna Cum Laude, their response was that he could be lying. I asked them if they seriously thought a person went around making that claim for DECADES and no one ever bothered to check. They just stopped talking about the subject.
2012-11-02 01:59:17 PM  
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CorporatePerson: but they're sure he studied dangerous liberal ideas,


Do you know how they know this? Because Obama admitted as much in his own book:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structured feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpets or set our stereos so loud the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent, or careless, or insecure. We were alienated.

But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Barrack Obama - Dreams of My Father, page 101
2012-11-02 01:54:39 PM  
1 vote:

justtray: The guy is clearly a paid shill. No intelligent people are listening to him. Just let him live in his imaginary world of frothy rage. Romney has no chance, so it's not like this kid's stupid, uninformed, and uneducated opinion matters. He's just saying what he has been told to say by Fox News and/or his employer.


Let's be clear, Romney has a chance. Nate Silver puts it around 20%. Think about that for a moment. There is a 20% chance Mitt Romney will be elected POTUS in a few days. Now I'm with you, I absolutely think Obama will and should win. But I think there is something to learn about the country that a candidate like Mitt Romney has a 20% chance of winning. And that only considers the electoral college. Romney has a 48% chance of winning the popular vote. There's something to learn about the country there too.

Put another way:

justtray: This - great post, AND


Re-read the post you just said "This" to. "And he wants to implement most if not all of the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place. George W Bush II - Financial Boogaloo?" Half the country wants to vote for Romney. There's a 20% chance we're going back to Bush II - Financial Boogaloo.
2012-11-02 01:52:01 PM  
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tenpoundsofcheese: Cythraul: [scrapetv.com image 299x240]

Still better than this.

News flash! Bush isn't running.

Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.


Just think what he could have accomplished if he'd put his mind to helping the country instead of farking it.
2012-11-02 01:51:11 PM  
1 vote:
Obama got into harvard law and was elected eic of the law review. Clearly his grades at columbia were crap and he only got in because he was ... Hawaiian.
2012-11-02 01:47:36 PM  
1 vote:

AdolfOliverPanties: hdhale: The economy isn't forward fast enough, radically raising taxes won't help that or our debt issues in a significant way, and speak of the debt about the only thing Obama seems capable of doing with it is making it bigger. Time for a change.

That is patently retarded. When Obama was elected, only morons thought he could fix everything quickly like he was some kind of messiah. No one could have. People point to Reagan's miraculous recovery, but that was completely different. Reagan didn't come into office with banks failing left and right, a housing bubble having popped and economies around the world crumbling. Reagan inherited a stubbed toe. Obama inherited multiple compound fractures.

So any realistic person was expecting almost EXACTLY what has happened. A little time to turn around the economy, and then slow steady growth. Anyone who thinks this could have been fixed in three and a half years is a bullshiatter or is just ignorant.

As to the debt, yeah, it got bigger. Obama put two unpaid for wars, a massive tax cut and Medicare Plan B on the books. Bush kept those off the books, so things did not look as bleak during his run.

So you think, wrongly, that the economy would have been fixed if only someone who knew what they were doing had been president. And your answer to that imagined scenario is to put in a man who is famous for profiting off the misery of others, outsourcing jobs and killing companies. And he wants to implement most if not all of the same policies that got us in the mess in the first place. George W Bush II - Financial Boogaloo?

No thanks.


This - great post, AND

Maud Dib: hdhale: Time for a change.

And you think Mittens would be a better choice?
I'm changing your handle from "Skewed" to "Farking retarded".


This.

The guy is clearly a paid shill. No intelligent people are listening to him. Just let him live in his imaginary world of frothy rage. Romney has no chance, so it's not like this kid's stupid, uninformed, and uneducated opinion matters. He's just saying what he has been told to say by Fox News and/or his employer.
2012-11-02 01:44:36 PM  
1 vote:
so, this is your line of attack - that obama is stupid? really? your'e going with that?
2012-11-02 01:42:00 PM  
1 vote:
Romney wears magic underpants and talks to invisible people.
2012-11-02 01:39:07 PM  
1 vote:

hdhale: Time for a change.


And you think Mittens would be a better choice?
I'm changing your handle from "Skewed" to "Farking retarded".
2012-11-02 01:37:12 PM  
1 vote:
Hey guys, I don't want to shock you, but the president is black.
2012-11-02 01:32:47 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Cythraul: [scrapetv.com image 299x240]

Still better than this.

News flash! Bush isn't running.

Romney graduated as a Baker's Scholar. Top 5% at Harvard.


So he's a pointy-headed intellectual elitist?

I thought you people hated that.
2012-11-02 01:30:26 PM  
1 vote:
Looking forward to Trump and Daily Caller demanding to see Romney's grades, just like they did with W....
2012-11-02 12:59:15 PM  
1 vote:
Grade inflation, people. A 2.6 at Columbia in 1980 is equivalent to a 3.8 today at Northwest South Carolina State Used-To-Be-A-Teacher's College.
2012-11-02 12:57:32 PM  
1 vote:

cretinbob: So farking what? W had an IQ of 2.6


Still double yours.

I'd tell you how that works, but you wouldn't understand.

AdolfOliverPanties: I thought the mantra was "no one ever saw Barack Obama at Columbia."


With that GPA, there's still truth in the statement.

Look, even if Barry got through school because of quotas, last I heard there is no GPA requirement for the White House. He's not unqualified for the office, he just seems to be in bit over his head, or at least the people he surrounds himself with are and they are the ones that run the executive branch day-to-day. The economy isn't forward fast enough, radically raising taxes won't help that or our debt issues in a significant way, and speak of the debt about the only thing Obama seems capable of doing with it is making it bigger. Time for a change.
2012-11-02 12:49:11 PM  
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The 2.6 grade can't be confirmed, is contradicted by some evidence, and it doesn't say anything about the courses, professors and associations Obama was immersed in during his two-year stay in Columbia.

Ha ha ha. Fantastic. We have no idea whether this is true, there is a good chance it's not but still FLASH TRAFFIC!

And being a donor, even a $2,500 donor (watch out, we got a bad ass over here) doesn't get you transcript access to the student body. it maybe gets you an engraved brick somewhere.
2012-11-02 11:47:57 AM  
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So farking what? W had an IQ of 2.6
 
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