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2012-11-02 01:16:43 PM
14 votes:

Endive Wombat: What an incredible waste of time and money


...says the man paying a monthly fee for a free message forum.
2012-11-02 01:28:36 PM
5 votes:

doczoidberg: World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.


Because it was brutal and bloody as hell, is my guess, and widely regarded as the epitome of failure in regards to the chaining treaty thing. It was by and large a massive, unmitigated clusterfark that pretty much can be pointed to as shaping the a lot of how the world is today. Setting the stage for World War 2, the impetus of the League of Nations, fall of Tsarist Russia and rise of the Soviet Union etc etc. It was and is MASSIVELY important, but it doesn't have the sweeping mystique of WW2. No true grand armies sweeping the map (with the exception of the Eastern Front). It was just a massive hell hole that lasted too long, killed too many, and gained no body anything meaningful. It's something that the Europeans tried to desperately forget, because it farked up so much.
2012-11-02 01:37:54 PM
3 votes:

Modguy: doczoidberg: World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.

Because it was brutal and bloody as hell, is my guess, and widely regarded as the epitome of failure in regards to the chaining treaty thing. It was by and large a massive, unmitigated clusterfark that pretty much can be pointed to as shaping the a lot of how the world is today. Setting the stage for World War 2, the impetus of the League of Nations, fall of Tsarist Russia and rise of the Soviet Union etc etc. It was and is MASSIVELY important, but it doesn't have the sweeping mystique of WW2. No true grand armies sweeping the map (with the exception of the Eastern Front). It was just a massive hell hole that lasted too long, killed too many, and gained no body anything meaningful. It's something that the Europeans tried to desperately forget, because it farked up so much.


I agree....

I also find WWI to be interesting because it was sort of like the death throes of the old, powerful monarchies.

WWI was the last time they'd be allowed to start a giant war just because of some petty disputes. The modern era had arrived; war had become too hellish for that shiat to fly anymore.

GOODBYE, royal dynasties with any real power!
2012-11-02 01:35:17 PM
3 votes:

Modguy: doczoidberg: World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.

Because it was brutal and bloody as hell, is my guess, and widely regarded as the epitome of failure in regards to the chaining treaty thing. It was by and large a massive, unmitigated clusterfark that pretty much can be pointed to as shaping the a lot of how the world is today. Setting the stage for World War 2, the impetus of the League of Nations, fall of Tsarist Russia and rise of the Soviet Union etc etc. It was and is MASSIVELY important, but it doesn't have the sweeping mystique of WW2. No true grand armies sweeping the map (with the exception of the Eastern Front). It was just a massive hell hole that lasted too long, killed too many, and gained no body anything meaningful. It's something that the Europeans tried to desperately forget, because it farked up so much.


Also, no Nazis. It's easy to make a movie in which everybody hates/kill Nazis (because, really, Nazis). WWI is harder to make movies about though because, no matter what nationality your lead character is, he's not killing evil. He's killing some poor schmuck who's trying to kill him and nobody likes it and very little is accomplished. And they know it.

Best WWI movie I've seen is Joyeux Noel, precisely because it's based on that problem. The story uses it, it doesn't try to hide it.

/just edges out Le Grand Illusion, but that's more of a POW story than a WWI tale in my mind
2012-11-02 01:21:29 PM
3 votes:
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I would love to see that thing if I lived anywhere near him. That's pretty amazing.

/naysayers gonna naysay
2012-11-02 02:47:56 PM
2 votes:

Egoy3k: rebelyell2006: You mean the first, second and third Silesian Wars, the Second Italian War of Independence, the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian Wars, and all of the brutal colonial wars? The American Revolution was mild, and the ACW had no political impact in Europe.

Lets not get into a pissing contest about who had the most 'brutal' wars if we can help it but the Silesia wars were about 100 years prior to the ACW so my point about a 'modern' war should still apply. The casualties of the Franco-Prussian Wars and the Italian independence wars weren't even of the same order of magnitude as the ACW.

I do agree that the American Revolutionary war was a shiatty example for me to use in terms of dates and casualties I just have it on the brain due to Assassins Creed 3.


The First World War tactically is different from the American Civil War for four reasons - three technological and one socio-geographical.

The first and most obvious is the introduction of self-contained ammunition. Load a clip with 5 bullets, fire until expended, then load a new one. Whereas a veteran Federal or Confederate regiment could put up a sustained volley of 3 rounds a minute for about ten minutes (assuming the unit was completely stationary) before needing more ammunition. A British or German Great War regiment can fire approximately 15 rounds per minute - and they can advance while firing.

The second, and also obvious, innovation is the machine gun. There is no reliable way for infantry in 1914-1918 to deal with a machine gun. You have to rely on accurate artillery (and that requires some means of communication, which still isn't available tactically) or bypass the strongpoint.

The third and often overlooked innovation was the introduction of reliable aerial reconnaissance. It becomes far easier for armies to locate an opposing force with machines that are only a decade away from the first powered flight. All these things feed into the fourth and most important difference:

The size of armies relative to the size of the theater of war. The Western Front turns into a war of attrition because armies numbering in the millions can locate each other and have little room to maneuver. We see trench warfare in the American Civil War, but we also see it in countless other conflicts stretching back to antiquity. Static trench warfare is limited to certain sieges (Vicksburg, Petersburg) once a defending army is forced to defend a city from being captured. Otherwise, we see wars of maneuver such as Sherman's campaign in northern Georgia and Grant attempting to outflank Lee in northern Virginia.

But the armies of the American Civil War are small compared to the armies that fight on the Western Front. Federal armies rarely top 100,000 troops, and Confederate Armies rarely exceed 70,000. Assume that two or three armies of this size, as well as two or three more far smaller armies for each side are contesting the ground stretching from the Mississippi to the Atlantic. Comparatively, the Entente and Germany field armies numbering in the multiple of millions in a combat theater about the size of Texas.

All of these factors combined to limit the ability of large armies to maneuver, and when they came into contact the volume and lethality of their firepower forced infantry to find the only cover they could - the earth itself.
2012-11-02 01:25:30 PM
2 votes:
My grandfather was killed in one of those trenches in WW I, and my father spent three and a half years in Italian and German POW camps in WW II.

Not something that one wants to remember, but something one should never forget.
2012-11-02 01:18:38 PM
2 votes:
He must not have a HOA...
2012-11-02 03:18:27 PM
1 votes:
What's sad is that this guy is doing more to help people experience history in 24 hours in his back yard than the History channel does all year.
2012-11-02 02:49:16 PM
1 votes:
My grandfather was a WWI vet. He enlisted when the war broke out and came out at the end of the war a lieutenant. That was pretty much all the family knew, he didn't talk about it with anyone. Before he died he did talk with me. He told me of the boat trip from the US to France and how seasick everyone was on that steamer. He told me of the balloons that filled the air, so as to hamper aerial assault. He told me of the trenches, filthy, cold, and full of fear. He also told me of his last cavalry charge against the enemy lines and how his horse was blown from under him. The blast left him deaf in his right ear and left his mount suffering. He was forced to shoot his horse. He came home damaged, but never spoke of it, never complained. He was my hero.
2012-11-02 02:09:56 PM
1 votes:

doczoidberg: World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.


Two reasons:

1) it was a horrible, horrible war. Death and destruction on a massive scale with little reward in the eventual "victory"

2) The US didn't dominate it.
2012-11-02 02:07:15 PM
1 votes:
I salute this this guy for drawing attention to the nasty clusterfark that this war was, illustrating with real trenches the cold and muddy conditions on the continent that those soldiers lived and died in. These were no all-volunteer armies, these were conscripted kids in their early 20's being ordered about by paper officers whose war college lessons and techniques were from the 19th century. WWI was the last to really employ cavalry, the first to use mechanization, and it changed the face of Europe, creating what we have today.
2012-11-02 02:05:13 PM
1 votes:
I feel like the trench could be used as a comedic device. Whenever his wife/work/whatever is bothering him, he'll just escape to the trenches. As soon as the nagging starts, he reaches for the helmet
2012-11-02 02:05:12 PM
1 votes:

doczoidberg: World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.


Because basically no one won. The allies lost less than the Germans, but it was a cluster.
2012-11-02 02:04:31 PM
1 votes:
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Excellent documentary series on WWI. The early parts give you a very clear picture of the causes and run up. They have a startling amount of imagery from the time. 

That crazy farker Pershing knew the Armistice was in the works, so he doubled down on aggression in the last few days before the 11th to inflict as much damage on the German army as possible, even after he knew the Germans had signed.
2012-11-02 01:54:03 PM
1 votes:
Oh. It's one of those threads where people who commit incredible amounts of time and passion to various hobbies criticize others for committing incredible amounts of time and passion to various hobbies.
2012-11-02 01:39:46 PM
1 votes:
Hats off to the guy!

If more people remembered/learned history of how horrible war is we'd more than likely have less of it.
2012-11-02 01:35:31 PM
1 votes:
It would be hilarious if his daughter asked for a backyard wedding and reception. I could see that getting quite epic
2012-11-02 01:31:04 PM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: Endive Wombat: What an incredible waste of time and money

...says the man paying a monthly fee for a free message forum.



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2012-11-02 01:29:04 PM
1 votes:
Endive Wombat

What an incredible waste of time and money

Perfection! I give this a 10/10. Subtle, to the point, and will get lots of bites. Great troll. Too bad you wasted such a fine work of art on a non-controversial topic. May I recommend the Politics tab?
2012-11-02 01:28:04 PM
1 votes:
Uncle Toby?
2012-11-02 01:25:51 PM
1 votes:
the trench is impressive...
living in it for 24 hours? eh not so much... should have done at least a week.
2012-11-02 01:21:38 PM
1 votes:
World War I was actually quite fascinating....
I don't get why it doesn't receive more attention.
2012-11-02 01:20:30 PM
1 votes:
There are people that who study history.

/Pronouns. How do they work?
2012-11-02 01:11:31 PM
1 votes:
He's ready for the zombie apocalypse.
2012-11-02 12:42:51 PM
1 votes:
What an incredible waste of time and money
 
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