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(Salon)   New poll: More than two thirds of Republicans believe in demonic possession, while less than half believe in climate change. Well, that explains a lot   (salon.com) divider line 155
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2012-11-02 01:46:06 PM  
bronze-age death cult. in 2012.

*headdesk*
 
2012-11-02 01:46:09 PM  

Aquapope: So the selective takeaway from this poll is that republicans are gullible and/or stupid? Got it.


Fixed
 
2012-11-02 01:51:05 PM  

thurstonxhowell: People are stupid.


Basically, this. Many people lack critical thinking skills, so they end up doing stupid things or falling for things they shouldn't. I also believe it is a major source of doublethink in this country.
 
2012-11-02 01:51:54 PM  

FlashHarry: bronze-age death cult. in 2012.

*headdesk*


I hate to say it, but Dems don't have much to feel good about here. Nearly half of them believe in demonic possession. That's not something to be proud of or enough to gloat about Reps being a "bronze-age death cult".
 
2012-11-02 01:54:08 PM  

Aquapope: So the takeaway from this poll is that republicans are gullible and/or stupid? Got it.


How else do you explain Mitt Romney's candidacy?
 
2012-11-02 01:56:23 PM  

HairBolus: Gordo: Obama Controlled by 50 Demons | Dispatches from the ...


50 of them? Sounds like an overacheiver.
 
2012-11-02 01:57:24 PM  

thurstonxhowell: FlashHarry: bronze-age death cult. in 2012.

*headdesk*

I hate to say it, but Dems don't have much to feel good about here. Nearly half of them believe in demonic possession. That's not something to be proud of or enough to gloat about Reps being a "bronze-age death cult".


my *headdesk* was in reference to both parties. i find the adherence of any sentient being to this ancient mythology baffling in this day and age.
 
2012-11-02 01:59:44 PM  

give me doughnuts: Aquapope: So the takeaway from this poll is that republicans are gullible and/or stupid? Got it.

How else do you explain Mitt Romney's candidacy?


I'm still a little surprised that Mitt was chosen as the Republican nominee after seeing the look on Rick Perry's face when he offered to bet him $10K. If Rick Perry is looking at you like you're a giant douchenozzle, it should be blindingly obvious that you've got problems. And yet, he got the nomination. It's baffling.
 
2012-11-02 02:02:06 PM  

thurstonxhowell: I hate to say it, but Dems don't have much to feel good about here. Nearly half of them believe in demonic possession. That's not something to be proud of or enough to gloat about Reps being a "bronze-age death cult".


True, the number of people who believe that the myths of bronze age goat herders are true is simply appalling. The fact that they hold up their ability to believe such obviously ridiculous propositions in the complete absence of evidence or rationality as a good thing is even worse.

Whenever I hear someone going on about "God" I mentally substitute "Odin" or "Zeus" to give their statements the proper perspective.
 
2012-11-02 02:05:11 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: I hate to say it, but Dems don't have much to feel good about here. Nearly half of them believe in demonic possession. That's not something to be proud of or enough to gloat about Reps being a "bronze-age death cult".

True, the number of people who believe that the myths of bronze age goat herders are true is simply appalling. The fact that they hold up their ability to believe such obviously ridiculous propositions in the complete absence of evidence or rationality as a good thing is even worse.

Whenever I hear someone going on about "God" I mentally substitute "Odin" or "Zeus" to give their statements the proper perspective.


I don't see any Frost Giants around, do you?
 
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2012-11-02 02:09:00 PM  

jigger: If you are a real Christian that believes the Bible, especially the New Testament, then you too are supposed to believe in demonic possession.

If you don't believe that Jesus cast demons out of people, as it says he did in the Bible, then you aren't a Bible-believing Christian.

What religion is Obama again?


Well, that's what fundamentalists believe, anyway.
 
2012-11-02 02:09:04 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I don't see any Frost Giants around, do you?


Good point. I'll keep in mind that there is more evidence for the existence of the Asgardean pantheon than the Trinity.
 
2012-11-02 02:12:13 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: rtaylor92: is believing in demonic possession really any more absurd than believing in Christianity, which most of the country does anyway? I don't find that statistic particularly remarkable as I would expect that if you believe in some sort of paradise alternate dimension where you get to live forever after you die and the world being created in a matter of days by magic, you would, at the very least, consider the possibility of demons, ghosts and manbearpig as plausbile.

That's what I don't understand about religion. Where do you draw the line on what you believe? Jesus is kosher but leprechauns are laughable? Your house is haunted, but the guy down the street is crazy for thinking his brainwaves are being monitored by aliens? I tried to ask a religious person about this, and they were genuinely confused, like I was speaking another language.


Not only that but there is plenty of stuff within the bible that coule be cherry picked and presented to people and they would say they didn't believe it. It's just most of them don't dig very deep into their faith. They are indoctrinated when they are young to basically believe there is a god, he came to earth, died on a cross, believe that and you go to heaven and live in paradise forever. The rest is details. Oh and hate the gays.
 
2012-11-02 02:16:47 PM  
That's because there is clear evidence for demonic possession (See Barack H Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid et al) but virtually no evidence for global warming.
 
2012-11-02 02:19:14 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That's what I don't understand about religion. Where do you draw the line on what you believe? Jesus is kosher but leprechauns are laughable? Your house is haunted, but the guy down the street is crazy for thinking his brainwaves are being monitored by aliens? I tried to ask a religious person about this, and they were genuinely confused, like I was speaking another language.


My favorite is when you point out that the bible talks about unicorns in a number of places. Don't believe in unicorns? I guess you're not a bible believing christian after all.
 
2012-11-02 02:20:54 PM  

Via Infinito: give me doughnuts: Aquapope: So the takeaway from this poll is that republicans are gullible and/or stupid? Got it.

How else do you explain Mitt Romney's candidacy?

I'm still a little surprised that Mitt was chosen as the Republican nominee after seeing the look on Rick Perry's face when he offered to bet him $10K. If Rick Perry is looking at you like you're a giant douchenozzle, it should be blindingly obvious that you've got problems. And yet, he got the nomination. It's baffling.


To be fair, Rick Perry would have looked baffled if Mitt had offered to bet $3.
 
2012-11-02 02:21:11 PM  
Don't come crying to me when your head starts spinning around.
 
2012-11-02 02:22:21 PM  

FlashHarry: bronze-age death cult. in 2012.

*headdesk*


It's more a bronze-age sky/war cult. In ancient middle-eastern religions sky gods also tend to be war gods (the Indo-Europeans had this quirk too). If by death cult you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus, that part is definitely iron age. Yes, there are antecedents (Osiris, Mithras, Odin etc) that are bronze-age, but the Jews (that became Christians) didn't include them until the iron-age. Come to think of it Odin is really iron-age too.

Now, if you want to claim that war cults are by definition death cults, I won't argue with you.
 
2012-11-02 02:27:03 PM  
US+third world: Pro-fairytale & Anti-science
ROW except third world : Pro-science & Anti-fairytale
 
2012-11-02 02:29:47 PM  
I'm not sure what point along the way that FACTS had anything to do with the BELIEVING of them.
 
2012-11-02 02:36:28 PM  

Pharque-it: ROW except third world : Pro-science & Anti-fairytale


Except that it isn't that clear-cut. You still have backwards thinking folks in every country, especially when you leave the cities for rural areas with higher participation in religion.

The difference is that the ideas in the cities of those countries dominate policy. In the US, that's not the case. Of course, our two party system doesn't help since we lack a diverse set of candidates to chose from.
 
2012-11-02 02:39:08 PM  

Mouldy Squid: It's more a bronze-age sky/war cult. In ancient middle-eastern religions sky gods also tend to be war gods (the Indo-Europeans had this quirk too). If by death cult you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus, that part is definitely iron age. Yes, there are antecedents (Osiris, Mithras, Odin etc) that are bronze-age, but the Jews (that became Christians) didn't include them until the iron-age. Come to think of it Odin is really iron-age too.


Note to self: when ridiculing religion, remember that we profess belief in iron age myths, not bronze age ones.
 
2012-11-02 02:41:26 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [i.imgur.com image 387x362]


I laughed.

Also, we need to work on our schools. Badly.

/Used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused
//I often fail
 
2012-11-02 02:42:57 PM  
So...nearly half of all Republicans are morans, then?

/a demon made me say it
 
2012-11-02 02:45:54 PM  

jigger: What religion is Obama again?


He's a... he's a Muslin!
 
2012-11-02 02:46:11 PM  

dameron: rtaylor92: is believing in demonic possession really any more absurd than believing in Christianity, which most of the country does anyway?

Jesus cast out demons. If someone takes the Bible literally then they MUST believe in demonic possession. And ghosts and devils and angels and hell and all kinds of crazy shiat.


Not only should they believe in demonic possession, they should cast the demons out too, but I bet most biblical literalists didn't even read that bit. There's some weird shiat in there.
 
2012-11-02 02:46:33 PM  

Dinjiin: Pharque-it: ROW except third world : Pro-science & Anti-fairytale

Except that it isn't that clear-cut. You still have backwards thinking folks in every country, especially when you leave the cities for rural areas with higher participation in religion.

The difference is that the ideas in the cities of those countries dominate policy. In the US, that's not the case. Of course, our two party system doesn't help since we lack a diverse set of candidates to chose from.


The electoral college and more importantly the artificial 435 congresscritter cap gives undo sway to far less populated areas than necessary. It is important that their concerns and issues be addressed, but 80.7% of Americans live in urban areas, while the rest are in rural areas Link. Again, I'm not saying we should ignore the issues affecting rural areas, but allowing rural sentiment to dictate what happens in urbanized, densely populated areas is a very bad idea.

//Let's not forget that the cities are generally what funds improvements in infrastructure for the rural areas...
 
2012-11-02 02:48:12 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: rtaylor92: is believing in demonic possession really any more absurd than believing in Christianity, which most of the country does anyway? I don't find that statistic particularly remarkable as I would expect that if you believe in some sort of paradise alternate dimension where you get to live forever after you die and the world being created in a matter of days by magic, you would, at the very least, consider the possibility of demons, ghosts and manbearpig as plausbile.

That's what I don't understand about religion. Where do you draw the line on what you believe? Jesus is kosher but leprechauns are laughable? Your house is haunted, but the guy down the street is crazy for thinking his brainwaves are being monitored by aliens? I tried to ask a religious person about this, and they were genuinely confused, like I was speaking another language.


Excellent points. If you believe in a deity, much less the god created man in his own image/AdamEve/Snake/seven days creation/ or any other flavor of popular religion, then why is demonic possession a stretch.

/Raised Catholic, but at around 11 I realized, "Hey, this stuff doesn't make a damn bit of sense, any more than Norse or Greek gods do." csb
 
2012-11-02 02:50:47 PM  

jasimo: /Raised Catholic, but at around 11 I realized, "Hey, this stuff doesn't make a damn bit of sense, any more than Norse or Greek gods do."


At Catholic Sunday School when I was about 5, I made the mistake of asking where Cain's wife came from.
 
2012-11-02 02:51:33 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Mouldy Squid: It's more a bronze-age sky/war cult. In ancient middle-eastern religions sky gods also tend to be war gods (the Indo-Europeans had this quirk too). If by death cult you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus, that part is definitely iron age. Yes, there are antecedents (Osiris, Mithras, Odin etc) that are bronze-age, but the Jews (that became Christians) didn't include them until the iron-age. Come to think of it Odin is really iron-age too.

Note to self: when ridiculing religion, remember that we profess belief in iron age myths, not bronze age ones.


;)
 
2012-11-02 02:52:07 PM  

jigger: If you are a real Christian that believes the Bible, especially the New Testament, then you too are supposed to believe in demonic possession.

If you don't believe that Jesus cast demons out of people, as it says he did in the Bible, then you aren't a Bible-believing Christian.

What religion is Obama again?


I think a lot of smart politicians are agnostic/atheist, but they're smart enough to know that, by and large, you cannot get elected in this country if you don't believe in Jeebus.

Not saying Obama is atheist/agnostic, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
 
2012-11-02 02:54:33 PM  

meat0918: The electoral college and more importantly the artificial 435 congresscritter cap gives undo sway to far less populated areas than necessary.


The same argument was made when the COTUS was being written. Low population states get more political power per resident than high population ones. That's just the way things are.


meat0918: Let's not forget that the cities are generally what funds improvements in infrastructure for the rural areas...


And it could be argued that cities couldn't exist without the infrastructure provided to rural areas for growing crops.

Subsidizing some infrastructure in rural areas isn't a terrible thing. Subsidizing suburban and exhurban sprawl is.
 
2012-11-02 02:57:50 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: I hate to say it, but Dems don't have much to feel good about here. Nearly half of them believe in demonic possession. That's not something to be proud of or enough to gloat about Reps being a "bronze-age death cult".

True, the number of people who believe that the myths of bronze age goat herders are true is simply appalling. The fact that they hold up their ability to believe such obviously ridiculous propositions in the complete absence of evidence or rationality as a good thing is even worse.

Whenever I hear someone going on about "God" I mentally substitute "Odin" or "Zeus" to give their statements the proper perspective.


Yesterday on the news I saw a middle-aged woman surveying the broken timbers of what used to be her house in NJ/NY. She shook her head solemnly and said, "Well, nobody died. God sure has been good to us."

/poik
//csb 2
 
2012-11-02 03:00:02 PM  

Dinjiin: meat0918: The electoral college and more importantly the artificial 435 congresscritter cap gives undo sway to far less populated areas than necessary.

The same argument was made when the COTUS was being written. Low population states get more political power per resident than high population ones. That's just the way things are.


meat0918: Let's not forget that the cities are generally what funds improvements in infrastructure for the rural areas...

And it could be argued that cities couldn't exist without the infrastructure provided to rural areas for growing crops.

Subsidizing some infrastructure in rural areas isn't a terrible thing. Subsidizing suburban and exhurban sprawl is.


Cities and rural areas need each other.

Sprawl is bad, especially when it pushes the farms to the marginal land.

It'd be nice if we could have a less antagonistic relationship between urban and rural, but then I go look at the fights in King County, Washington, and despair a bit.

Hell the fights in my own city, not even getting into some of the rural issues, has a bunch of longer term residents refusing to allow growth are spectacular, and have resulted in problem after problem as the growth happens anyways, but in such a way as to make existing transportation and infrastructure problems worse.

//Briefly, they don't want to sprawl which means you have to do infill and build up. But they don't want to do infill and refuse to build much beyond 5 story buildings...
 
2012-11-02 03:01:22 PM  

Mouldy Squid: It's more a bronze-age sky/war cult


Volcano cult, actually.
 
2012-11-02 03:07:40 PM  

Mouldy Squid: If by death cult you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus, that part is definitely iron age.


i did - and you're right; it should be iron-age.
 
2012-11-02 03:08:18 PM  

jasimo: Excellent points. If you believe in a deity, much less the god created man in his own image/AdamEve/Snake/seven days creation/ or any other flavor of popular religion, then why is demonic possession a stretch.

/Raised Catholic, but at around 11 I realized, "Hey, this stuff doesn't make a damn bit of sense, any more than Norse or Greek gods do." csb


Pretty much. The only response I got was "Well, because what I believe is true. That other stuff isn't."
 
2012-11-02 03:12:41 PM  

meat0918: then I go look at the fights in King County, Washington, and despair a bit


Well, that's because King County is completely dysfunctional, especially when you need to get a permit of any sort. It is the perfect storm of complex regulation (not necessarily bad) meeting incompetent bureaucracy (very bad).

Snohomish County at least has some sanity.
 
2012-11-02 03:20:01 PM  
btw - i do find it amusing when christians (or muslims or jews or zoroasterians or whatever) make fun of scientologists or mormons. as if their religions are any less crazy. the only difference is how long they've been around.
 
2012-11-02 03:21:16 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Mouldy Squid: It's more a bronze-age sky/war cult

Volcano cult, actually.


In all my years at grad school studying comparative mythology, I have never heard that. It's an interesting theory. I shall have to do some more research. I can see where people could conclude that considering some of the biblical descriptions of YHWH. I am not convinced yet, I'll need some real scholarship on the subject, not just a bunch of blog posts and webpages. In my opinion the EL=YHWH is a more compelling argument considering the geography and what we can determine about the history of the Hebrews.

Thanks for that. You have found my holiday reading for me.
 
2012-11-02 03:23:57 PM  
The "climate change" mantra is quite the religion. It has its own prophets, priests, sins, heretics, the purchasing of indulgences for forgiveness, doomsday prophecies and even their own Inquisition

Who says Libs don't have faith?? ; )

Just in case you can't make the mental leaps for the list above:

Prophets - Al Gore, James Lovelock
Priests - the "scientists" promoting this mantra
Sins - Using energy and leaving a "carbon footprint"
Heretics - rational detractors (Proof here)
Indulgences - carbon credits you can purchase to offset your sins
Doomsday Prophesies - google climate change 
Inquisition - Attempting to destroying the heretics (see here)
 
2012-11-02 03:25:14 PM  

FlashHarry: btw - i do find it amusing when christians (or muslims or jews or zoroasterians or whatever) make fun of scientologists or mormons. as if their religions are any less crazy. the only difference is how long they've been around.


Scientology is considerably crazier than the rest of those.
 
2012-11-02 03:25:16 PM  

FlashHarry: Mouldy Squid: If by death cult you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus, that part is definitely iron age.

i did - and you're right; it should be iron-age.


But so are you. The particular brands of Christianity popular in the US right now are bronze-age; at least in their conception of the world and their place in it. They might as well be nomad goat herders for all of they understand of science.

/Got to employ that MA somehow
//Comparative Mythology
///PhD in slashies
 
2012-11-02 03:29:49 PM  

evoke: That's because there is clear evidence for demonic possession (See Barack H Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid et al) but virtually no evidence for global warming.


There's a clear link between Frankenstorm Sandy and demons. Because Snooki and socialisms or something.
 
2012-11-02 03:37:47 PM  

give me doughnuts: HairBolus: Gordo: Obama Controlled by 50 Demons | Dispatches from the ...

50 of them? Sounds like an overacheiver.


That's as many as five tens. And that's terrible.
 
2012-11-02 03:38:16 PM  
why o why o why does this not strike at least some Republicans as primitive??? If you believe in demonic possession, you might as well be sacrificing animals to a voodoo idol, or eating dog crap to cure yourself of bad karma. Sheesh.

I had a fundamentalist friend in H.S., we were arguing about demonic possession. She copped the attitude that sure, there's no demonic possession or witchcraft NOW, but back in the (Biblical) day it was rampant.
 
2012-11-02 03:39:32 PM  
[reads thread]

almost 50% of Democrats believe that too? Dang. Now I'm sad for humanity.
 
2012-11-02 03:42:18 PM  
I don't really care that people with faith believe weird stuff. That's been happening forever and I don't see it stopping soon. What matters is when they use faith (or the highly politicized version of faith that they have been fed) to deny obvious scientific facts. There are plenty of religious scientists and religious people who don't deny science. That's not really the issue. The issue is people being gullible enough to be misled because of misinformation spread by those who find science politically inconvenient.
 
2012-11-02 03:45:21 PM  

jasimo: Yesterday on the news I saw a middle-aged woman surveying the broken timbers of what used to be her house in NJ/NY. She shook her head solemnly and said, "Well, nobody died. God Poseidon sure has been good to us."

 
2012-11-02 04:02:32 PM  

thurstonxhowell: FlashHarry: btw - i do find it amusing when christians (or muslims or jews or zoroasterians or whatever) make fun of scientologists or mormons. as if their religions are any less crazy. the only difference is how long they've been around.

Scientology is considerably crazier than the rest of those.


crazier than a woman being raped by an invisible sky wizard and giving birth to a son who is also the father and who rises from the dead, zombie-like, and ascends into a mythical dimension inhabited by more zombies?

man, i dunno...
 
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