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(Chicago Trib)   John Wayne Gacy's nephew is keeping up the family business   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 54
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2012-11-02 09:06:48 AM
i76.photobucket.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-02 09:29:33 AM
Victim was a girl and he let her live. Not really upholding the family name.
 
2012-11-02 09:34:13 AM
HE HAS RETURNED

THE EVIL LORD OF LAUGHTER HAS RETURNED

WE ARE DOOMED!

/I farking hate clowns
//Gacy is my favorite serial killer
 
2012-11-02 09:37:50 AM
 
2012-11-02 09:40:23 AM
Strange fact set. May not hold up on appeal.
 
2012-11-02 09:41:32 AM
One whole branch of the genetic tree that needs to be removed, permanently.
 
2012-11-02 09:42:23 AM
Victim was a girl, she lived, he didn't dress in a clown costume.

Nephew, I am disappoint.
 
2012-11-02 09:43:23 AM
While reading a letter to the court before his sentencing, Kasper never mentioned the name of his infamous uncle, who was executed in 1994 for the murders of 33 young men and boys, many of whom were found in his suburban home near Chicago's Northwest Side.

"Your Honor, I am innocent of these crimes. I also never saw my uncle, John Wayne Gacy kill anyone. My Uncle John was a murderer, but this girl is still alive! Therefore...John Wayne Gacy."

Why the fark WOULD he say his uncles name in court when he's pleading for his life?
 
2012-11-02 09:44:46 AM
 
2012-11-02 09:44:49 AM

ZAZ: Victim was a girl and he let her live. Not really upholding the family name.


Not only that, she says he didn't do anything. The appeal is gonna be interesting.
 
2012-11-02 09:45:56 AM
"My uncle was one of the most notorious evil serial killers of all time. Not to mention the embodiment of the whole Scary Clown phenomenon." is an interesting defense.
 
2012-11-02 09:46:34 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Why the fark WOULD he say his uncles name in court when he's pleading for his life?


The question you should be asking yourself is why he did not express concern over the tragedy that struck the eastern seaboard.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-02 09:47:26 AM
Not only that, she says he didn't do anything.

That's common in domestic abuse situations. In my state the courts have said a contemporary complaint is sufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt even if she denies everything later. The doctrine is called "excited utterance." If she sounds upset over something that just happened she is probably telling the truth.
 
2012-11-02 09:52:28 AM
"Judge Joseph P. Condon then handed down a 24-year prison term for Raymond Kasper, who was convicted in July of predatory criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual abuse - even though the girl denied from the witness stand that the crimes took place."

lol. wut?
 
2012-11-02 09:54:43 AM

Cormee: "Judge Joseph P. Condon then handed down a 24-year prison term for Raymond Kasper, who was convicted in July of predatory criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual abuse - even though the girl denied from the witness stand that the crimes took place."

lol. wut?


Her denial was, "I may have dreamed it." This is a huge red flag that someone has been "encouraging" her to recant.

There was other evidence, including medical.
 
2012-11-02 09:55:29 AM

Shadowtag: ZAZ: Victim was a girl and he let her live. Not really upholding the family name.

Not only that, she says he didn't do anything. The appeal is gonna be interesting.


FTFA: ...Though the girl said from the witness stand that she might have dreamed the abuse, prosecutors indicated that the girl had been pressured to recant her claims. and A doctor who examined her also testified that the girl bore wounds consistent with sexual abuse.

Just because she said he didn't do it doesn't mean a thing.
 
2012-11-02 09:56:30 AM
JOHN WAYNE WAS A NAZI!

.....Wait.....what?
 
2012-11-02 09:57:55 AM
Article also mentions she had injuries consistent with a sexual assault...that plus whatever she originally claimed about the accused, suggests maybe there might be some merit to the case. Or at the very least, that it wasn't just "a dream".
Note to self: don't go to sleep anywhere near blood relatives of serial killers.
 
2012-11-02 10:00:30 AM
Perpetuation.
 
2012-11-02 10:04:14 AM
since this was fark i was hoping he was just a pro/semi pro clown.

/son i am disappoint
 
2012-11-02 10:04:17 AM
Oh Jesus, he looks a lot like him too. I read about him before, that guy was freakin creepy.
 
2012-11-02 10:06:04 AM
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2012-11-02 09:55:29 AM


Shadowtag: ZAZ: Victim was a girl and he let her live. Not really upholding the family name.

Not only that, she says he didn't do anything. The appeal is gonna be interesting.

FTFA: ...Though the girl said from the witness stand that she might have dreamed the abuse, prosecutors indicated that the girl had been pressured to recant her claims. and A doctor who examined her also testified that the girl bore wounds consistent with sexual abuse.

Just because she said he didn't do it doesn't mean a thing.




Exactly. I like the story the way it is so I will ignore any other shiat that comes up.
 
2012-11-02 10:06:50 AM
Did his parents let his uncle babysit? That could have screwed him up.
 
2012-11-02 10:08:36 AM
even though the girl denied from the witness stand that the crimes took place.

All men are pedo rapists and should be locked up, just in case!
 
2012-11-02 10:11:29 AM

Cold_Sassy: Just because she said he didn't do it doesn't mean a thing.


Yes it does mean a thing, she is the victim. It should be weighed against all the other evidence but saying it doesn't mean a thing is ridiculous.
 
2012-11-02 10:12:26 AM

namegoeshere: "My uncle was one of the most notorious evil serial killers of all time. Not to mention the embodiment of the whole Scary Clown phenomenon." is an interesting defense.


The article also said that, while it wasn't mentioned during the trial, the media had been heavily reporting on the connection, which could be grounds for a retrial if they can show the Jury might have been prejudiced due to his family history.
 
2012-11-02 10:18:13 AM
I don't know why people will forever pretend that behavior is not dictated by genes...
 
2012-11-02 10:21:04 AM
It is ridiculous to think that juries don't catch wind of media reporting, unless they are completely sequestered from any outside contact.
 
2012-11-02 10:23:11 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Cold_Sassy: Just because she said he didn't do it doesn't mean a thing.

Yes it does mean a thing, she is the victim. It should be weighed against all the other evidence but saying it doesn't mean a thing is ridiculous.


I think you misunderstood the point I was making. It is: There is plenty of other evidence that points to the fact the yes indeed, she was molested. So the fact that she claims he did't so it "doesn't mean a thing." It would seem that the jury agreed.
 
2012-11-02 10:27:31 AM
In other news, after the house of John Wayne Gacy was bulldozed a new house was built on the spot. How would you like to live in that house???

"Honey.....do you hear noises coming from the basement?"
"What kind of noises?"
"Well....sort of like blood curdling screams from multiple young men"
 
2012-11-02 10:29:12 AM
Umm...if the assault was happening in her house, where were her parents?
 
2012-11-02 10:31:17 AM

Nayest: I don't know why people will forever pretend that behavior is not dictated by genes...


While genes are a major factor in determining behaviour, they are not the sole determining factor. Also, his genes would only be approximately 1/4 the same as his uncles. At any rate, I'm just saying I wouldn't hold his genetics against him.
 
2012-11-02 10:41:51 AM
Is that a titty leak stain on his shirt as he goes to court?
 
2012-11-02 10:48:52 AM

Cold_Sassy: I think you misunderstood the point I was making. It is: There is plenty of other evidence that points to the fact the yes indeed, she was molested.


Like what? Any other hard evidence?
 
2012-11-02 10:52:20 AM
My hometown makes the news! yay!

I don't really have anything else to contribute.
 
2012-11-02 10:59:13 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Cold_Sassy: I think you misunderstood the point I was making. It is: There is plenty of other evidence that points to the fact the yes indeed, she was molested.

Like what? Any other hard evidence?


FTFA: "A doctor who examined her also testified that the girl bore wounds consistent with sexual abuse."

On top of her initial statements, though while not hard evidence, the above is.
 
2012-11-02 11:00:13 AM

Cold_Sassy: Shadowtag: ZAZ: Victim was a girl and he let her live. Not really upholding the family name.

Not only that, she says he didn't do anything. The appeal is gonna be interesting.

FTFA: ...Though the girl said from the witness stand that she might have dreamed the abuse, prosecutors indicated that the girl had been pressured to recant her claims. and A doctor who examined her also testified that the girl bore wounds consistent with sexual abuse.

Just because she said he didn't do it doesn't mean a thing.


another example of why 12 yr old girls are the greatest threat to any adult men in the US of A.

Think about it.. a few words from their mouths and your life is ruin forever. Even if you are 100% innocent, you and your family will carry the nightmare and burden forever.
 
2012-11-02 11:00:42 AM
"prosecutors indicated that the girl had been pressured to recant her claims"
Of course they say that, they want a conviction whether he actually did anything or not. The problem with this is, if he actually DIDN'T do it, the person who did is still free and probably still molesting her.
 
2012-11-02 11:03:40 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Cold_Sassy: I think you misunderstood the point I was making. It is: There is plenty of other evidence that points to the fact the yes indeed, she was molested.

Like what? Any other hard evidence?


Little Drew Curtis: Please go to my original post and gaze upon the underlined items from the article. Now do you get it?
 
2012-11-02 11:07:49 AM

CapeFearCadaver: On top of her initial statements, though while not hard evidence, the above is.


She made initial statements which she then changed. Did the dr's examination find any evidence that pointed specifically to Kasper?

Cold_Sassy: Little Drew Curtis: Please go to my original post and gaze upon the underlined items from the article. Now do you get it?

Prosecutors claims that she changed her story because of pressure is not hard evidence. And again did the examination find anything that would link to Kasper?
 
2012-11-02 11:12:36 AM
They've got Gacy's clown suit @ the National Museum of Crime and Punishment in DC. It's even creepier up close.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-02 11:16:01 AM

jmr61: Strange fact set. May not hold up on appeal.


Standard disclaimer: No, I haven't been accused or faced trial and no, I'm not a pedo or whatever the proper term is for adult men who dig girls 12-14 on purpose. I've just seen this play so many times on stage, being a theater critic gets easy, even without a law degree.

Now the analysis...

You are making the classic mistake of assuming that justice is blind in matters such as this. It's Guilty, Guilty, Guilty until proven innocent, which rarely happens. That's why if I were giving advice to someone that was accused, it's lawyer up yesterday (fast isn't fast enough), rally your supporters to profess your innocence before there is an investigation, and do your best to make it go away quickly, because once matters like this get into the legal system, you're pretty much farked.

That said, evidence suggests someone messed with the girl, or she has an unnatural attraction to hairbrush handles, but based on the article at least not enough there to connect him to the crime once the witness recanted. If he's got a really good lawyer maybe he walks some day, but it will not be any time soon. These things never have a happy ending. Never.

My gut (nothing based on the evidence) tells me that he did it, that it was consensual at first (it went on for 4 months), but he crossed lines she wasn't ready to cross and she felt guilty. Tearful confession to parents followed. Things steamrolled from there. The recanting can be explained by people applying guilt and pressure, but just as easily be explained as additional feelings of guilt over her part in the relationship--after all, she could have said 'no' from the start and didn't. Now she gets to live with it. As for Kasper, he allowed his infatuation with a 12 year old to get the better of him and he did something really, really stupid. His life is ruined no matter now.
 
2012-11-02 11:21:27 AM
"You cannot choose the family you are born into," Kasper said.

But every now and then, you get a lucky roll of the dice.

Enjoy prison.
 
2012-11-02 12:26:20 PM

hdhale: jmr61: Strange fact set. May not hold up on appeal.


My gut (nothing based on the evidence) tells me that he did it, that it was consensual at first (it went on for 4 months), but he crossed lines she wasn't ready to cross and she felt guilty. Tearful confession to parents followed. Things steamrolled from there. The recanting can be explained by people applying guilt and pressure, but just as easily be explained as additional feelings of guilt over her part in the relationship--after all, she could have said 'no' from the start and didn't. Now she gets to live with it. As for Kasper, he allowed his infatuation with a 12 year old to get the better of him and he did something really, really stupid. His life is ruined no matter now.


I read Fark every day but rarely post, but I've found lately that I'm posting more because of the sheer stupidity of comments like this enrage me so much that I feel I must respond. I have no idea of his guilt or innocence, but she probably was messed with by someone if not him. But the fact that you believe a consensual relationship is possible with a TWELVE YEAR OLD just sickens me beyond belief, which is really saying something since I'm a Fark veteran of 10 years and have seen the world's worst trolls crop up on this site more and more.

"Because it went on for 4 months", means nothing except she was a molested scared child who was probably threatened not to tell.

I bid you good day, sir. And pray you have no offspring.
 
2012-11-02 12:55:56 PM
When reached for comment, Gacy had this to say
 
2012-11-02 01:26:56 PM

Farked_In_The_Head: hdhale: jmr61: Strange fact set. May not hold up on appeal.


My gut (nothing based on the evidence) tells me that he did it, that it was consensual at first (it went on for 4 months), but he crossed lines she wasn't ready to cross and she felt guilty. Tearful confession to parents followed. Things steamrolled from there. The recanting can be explained by people applying guilt and pressure, but just as easily be explained as additional feelings of guilt over her part in the relationship--after all, she could have said 'no' from the start and didn't. Now she gets to live with it. As for Kasper, he allowed his infatuation with a 12 year old to get the better of him and he did something really, really stupid. His life is ruined no matter now.

I read Fark every day but rarely post, but I've found lately that I'm posting more because of the sheer stupidity of comments like this enrage me so much that I feel I must respond. I have no idea of his guilt or innocence, but she probably was messed with by someone if not him. But the fact that you believe a consensual relationship is possible with a TWELVE YEAR OLD just sickens me beyond belief, which is really saying something since I'm a Fark veteran of 10 years and have seen the world's worst trolls crop up on this site more and more.

"Because it went on for 4 months", means nothing except she was a molested scared child who was probably threatened not to tell.

I bid you good day, sir. And pray you have no offspring.


Wow, where to start...

I'm not going to start, this is the Internet. You don't know me nor had any idea where I was coming from with my remarks. You could have asked me what my thought process was, but you've already decided that, haven't you? There can not be any meaningful exchanges of ideas when you immediately play the personal insult card, and I will not waste further time explaining what I meant.
 
2012-11-02 01:46:58 PM
What John Wayne Gracy might look like:

www.nhlsnipers.com
 
2012-11-02 02:15:24 PM

hdhale: Farked_In_The_Head: hdhale:

Wow, where to start...

I'm not going to start, this is the Internet. You don't know me nor had any idea where I was coming from with my remarks. You could have asked me what my thought process was, but you've already decided that, haven't you? There can not be any meaningful exchanges of ideas when you immediately play the personal insult card, and I will not waste further time explaining what I meant.


Alright. I'm not a troll, and I don't think you are, so I'll respond. Yes, it's the internet, but this specific topic hits home for me. Secondly, you are right, I don't know where you were coming from because I stopped with my knee jerk reaction to the words "consensual" and "12 year old". I'll probably regret this, but do tell. What was your thought process?

//no, I haven't forgotten this is the New Fark
///still hopeful some humans can have decent discussions
 
2012-11-02 02:28:43 PM
I wonder about that whole "bad blood" thing. It just plays perfectly into the nature .vs nurture argument. I used to believe nurture was dominant, but the more I know people, the more I realize a persons genes have a profound affect on who they area - well beyond physical traits.

Csb: I met a woman at a party who is related to Lizzy Borden. I was shocked that she volunteered the info - it's not like she was famous for good things. I think she's a bit off, but she's fairly small so I don't think she's much of a threat. Still, if I see her with an axe, I'm RUNNING.
 
2012-11-02 02:39:01 PM

Private_Citizen: I wonder about that whole "bad blood" thing. It just plays perfectly into the nature .vs nurture argument. I used to believe nurture was dominant, but the more I know people, the more I realize a persons genes have a profound affect on who they area - well beyond physical traits.


I've never liked that whole Nature verses Nurture argument. Always felt it was a strong cohesion involving the both of them.
 
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