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2012-11-02 10:44:37 AM
La-la-la
 
2012-11-02 10:56:01 AM
As someone whos been actively searching for a bad movie thats worth rifftraxing and sending to the site, I can appreciate the article. Its not as simple as pick a awful movie and then go with it. It really is like searching for a diamond in the rough. For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick. As opposed to most straight to DVD crap like "Abe lincoln: Zombie Hunter" where everyone involved knows its a piece of crap so its got alot of Tounge-in-Cheek humor and winks to the audience.

On that note, Im open for suggestions.
 
2012-11-02 11:10:28 AM

Shakes999: As someone whos been actively searching for a bad movie thats worth rifftraxing and sending to the site, I can appreciate the article. Its not as simple as pick a awful movie and then go with it. It really is like searching for a diamond in the rough. For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick. As opposed to most straight to DVD crap like "Abe lincoln: Zombie Hunter" where everyone involved knows its a piece of crap so its got alot of Tounge-in-Cheek humor and winks to the audience.

On that note, Im open for suggestions.


I've seen just about all the MST3K episodes, and even amongst them some were worse than others based upon the movie they were lampooning. Simply put, some of them sucked so bad that even the witty commentary couldn't redeem it. Some, however (like Hobgoblins), just seemed like they were made to be mocked. They had scenes that literally set the jokes up.
 
2012-11-02 11:15:02 AM

Shakes999: For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick.


This is the essence of a "so bad its good" movie.

Its not interesting or challenging to simply make a terrible movie. What is challenging is when an earnest effort to make a good (or at least genre-acceptable) movie goes spectacularly wrong. Troll 2, Manos, The Final Sacrifice. The makers of these amazingly bad movies did not set out to fail, they were just completely clueless about what they were making.

When the producers/actors know what they are making is crap, its just...dishonest. That's why Grindhouse sucked. That's what folks like The Asylum, et al produce is unwatchable.
 
2012-11-02 11:25:47 AM

Shakes999: As someone whos been actively searching for a bad movie thats worth rifftraxing and sending to the site, I can appreciate the article. Its not as simple as pick a awful movie and then go with it. It really is like searching for a diamond in the rough. For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick. As opposed to most straight to DVD crap like "Abe lincoln: Zombie Hunter" where everyone involved knows its a piece of crap so its got alot of Tounge-in-Cheek humor and winks to the audience.

On that note, Im open for suggestions.


Godzilla versus the Smog Monster, just 2 words: Japanese Hippies!
 
2012-11-02 12:01:26 PM
And as they learned from Sidehackers, sometimes you have to watch the whole movie before picking it.

As much as Manos gets called the worst movie ever made, I really don't think it was that terrible. Sure, the production was complete shiat, but they had the basis of what could have been a decent movie. Not a good movie, but at least they tried.

Birdemic, on the other hand, had no redeeming qualities at all. They made no effort to make a real film. The story makes no sense whatsoever, and the whole time the cast is fleeing through an abandoned wasteland of civilization they have to contend with traffic on all the roads.
 
2012-11-02 12:10:14 PM
WOOOOOOO! PACKERS! WOOOOOO!
 
2012-11-02 12:26:57 PM

Funbags: Shakes999: For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick.

This is the essence of a "so bad its good" movie.

Its not interesting or challenging to simply make a terrible movie. What is challenging is when an earnest effort to make a good (or at least genre-acceptable) movie goes spectacularly wrong. Troll 2, Manos, The Final Sacrifice. The makers of these amazingly bad movies did not set out to fail, they were just completely clueless about what they were making.

When the producers/actors know what they are making is crap, its just...dishonest. That's why Grindhouse sucked. That's what folks like The Asylum, et al produce is unwatchable.


Hey, Grindhouse rules if you get watch it the way it was designed: back to back, not expecting some of the gags (like the missing reel in Planet Terror), and having all of the trailers played as they were in the theater.
 
2012-11-02 12:27:32 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: WOOOOOOO! PACKERS! WOOOOOO!


Hey, are those pontoons full of Schlitz?
 
2012-11-02 12:31:19 PM
hey servo, where is mike?
 
2012-11-02 12:34:22 PM

NeoCortex42: And as they learned from Sidehackers, sometimes you have to watch the whole movie before picking it.

As much as Manos gets called the worst movie ever made, I really don't think it was that terrible. Sure, the production was complete shiat, but they had the basis of what could have been a decent movie. Not a good movie, but at least they tried.

Birdemic, on the other hand, had no redeeming qualities at all. They made no effort to make a real film. The story makes no sense whatsoever, and the whole time the cast is fleeing through an abandoned wasteland of civilization they have to contend with traffic on all the roads.


Watch out for all those people fleeing the Birdemic!...in...both...directions...

For my money Red Zone Cuba was the worst MST3K movie. It made no sense, had zero pacing, no plot, and cavernous gulfs of total silence from all actors. Even the MST crew seemed at a loss for large chunks of it.
 
2012-11-02 12:37:04 PM

NeoCortex42: Birdemic, on the other hand, had no redeeming qualities at all.


Except one. Of course, I'm referring to Whitney Moore, not that earworm.
 
2012-11-02 12:46:27 PM

basscomm: NeoCortex42: Birdemic, on the other hand, had no redeeming qualities at all.

Except one. Of course, I'm referring to Whitney Moore, not that earworm.


At least she was a well enough trained actor to walk naturally. That must have taken years of dedication.
 
2012-11-02 01:09:12 PM
Does the birdemic rifftrax get funny. I made it about 15 minutes in and even Mike and co. couldn't save it.
 
2012-11-02 01:17:39 PM
The article doesn't really explain the process all that well. Here's my own version of what must happen.

1. Availability. First consideration is the availability of the movie. The riffers need to be able to find it, and if it is Riffed on RiffTrax, the customers need to be able to find it it as well. A movie that is tied up in legal disputes (often the music rights are problematic) may not be available to riff, while many great movies are simply "not in print" or in the stores any more.

2. Some B-movies are so obvious that only lawyers can prevent people from laughing at them. Some of these are almost good, like Forbidden Planet, one of the best SF movies of the Fifties and a model for Star Trek, while others are bad but loved, like almost anything with Peter Graves, John Agar or John Carradine in them. To paraphrase Shakespeare, some movies are born funny, some achieve comedy, and others have comedy thrust upon them. MST3K has done a good job of mining the obvious gold deposits of bad movie-making, the B-movies of the 1940s and 1950s. Everybody who cares knows which they are.

3. Some movies are such horrible crud they can be eliminated as easily as the great B-movies can be added to the "yes" pile. An example is Orgy of the Dead by Ed Wood. This movie, which relies largely on T&A for any appeal it might have, is one of the dullest exploitation films ever made. I fast-forwarded through it in about ten minutes. It is of interest only to fifteen year old boys look desperately for something to fap to. Not all of Ed Woods work is good enough to be bad. He acted in one of the world's worst pornos when he got really desperate to be in the movie industry. Jeremy Whozit there is fugly but Ed Wood was fugly in his middle-aged phase with a less than stellar penis. As the French would say, "c'est moche". I can't translate "moche" but a good attempt would be "moist, soft and squishy like loose stool", which is to say, middle-aged loser, your Mother, etc.

3. Having eliminated the impossible, whatever remains is doable. Good movies can be riffed. Several of the RiffTrax movies were popular and are entertaining in their own right. Bad movies just above the level of unwatchable can be riffed. It's a question of taste and economics, however, and bad movies that have laughable dialogue, acting, special effects, etc. are best. Pot-boilers are the bread and butter of riffing. Genre movies are rich mother lodes of riffable material. Even a comedy can be riffed if it is bad enough that nobody will want the guys to shut up and let them hear the dialogue.

4. Innumerable books have been dedicated to cinema turkeys, so once you have exhausted the list of obvious choices and also-rans you have many seasons under your belt. But my own movie collection shows that eventually you run out of public domaine bad movies for the simple reason that most of them are not worth the film they were printed on and don't repay transfers, even sloppy amateurish transfers.

My advice to would-be riffers: riff what you love.

1. Make sure the movie is not tied up in lawsuits.
2. Make sure the movie is available cheaply. Look for the $5 specials and the stuff that is easy to find in second hand stores still selling DVDs, VHS tapes and BluRay.
3. Make sure the movie isn't a "special edition" unless the special edition is very easy to get and not too expensive. Go for the version with the most standard length--you don't want the viewer irritated by a failure to sync because his or her version has or lacks many scenes. Also, beware of movies that were released in too many badly cut versions.
4. Make sure the movie has a potential audience. Like the rape scene mentioned in the article, a movie may be spoiled for commercial or even comedic success. Does it have a tragic flaw? Will you lose the audience by going over their heads or by a failure to connect?
5. Make sure you can have fun. The jokes ought to be funny upon retelling because you will not be able to do the whole thing in one take. At least this is very unlikely. Jokes that allow the audience to participate by adding their own jokes to yours, building on them or amplifying or simply repeating them in their own words are good. Audience participation is good.
6. If you see a film in a theatre (I don't know how this would happen nowadays, but it might) or with friends and there is audience participation you may have a weiner. Engage your audience and engage the movie. It has to be something people vaguely care about but not too much. It has to be a lot like a Fark headline, article or thread, actually. It should engage jokers not trolls, but even trolls watch movies and the movies they love to hate are fair game.

There are movies that the MST3k, Cinema Titantic, RiffTrax and other crews have not done, possibly because they have simply not gotten around to them. They are obvious choices if you can find them. Don't under estimate yourself. If you are serious about riffing, you want to find the best movies before somebody else does them, not the movies that nobody is going to want to riff.

Take a look at the Golden Raspberries. Did they finger prime riffing material? What movies do the list fail without? Has anybody done the nasty low budget version of these movies yet? You know that is how Hollywood and TV work, don't you? Somebody comes up with a great idea and somebody else does a good or great job of realizing it. Everybody else steals the original great idea or the good job of realizing it and makes their own crap version which they hope will at least make money when it goes direct to TV, video or the web.

If you can't riff a good movie, there is sure to be a nearly pornographically bad version of it. FIND THAT TRASH. Like restaurants, the best place to find a crappy one is around the corner from the good one that everybody loves. They might be made by the same people. In the wine industry, big bumper crops mean that the big names sell a lot of very good wine in the wrong bottles with the wrong labels, their industry's equivalent of second bananas.

And look for beloved second bananas. A bad movie with well-known fading actors or before-they-were famous actors is fair game. Do you know what movie 19-year-old Jack Nicholson acted in? Little Shop of Horrors (the B&W stage play filmed). Leonard Nimoy is one of the alien extras in the serial made into movie classic trash, Zombies of the Stratosphere.

People like me could easily riff movies but we are diffident and lazy and would sooner sit around on our broad buttocks and wait for you to do it.

DO IT IF YOU DARE! You may earn our gratitude, and if not, you will earn the kind of ingratitude that the people like Ed Wood earned.

Frankly, I am running out of movies and TV shows to buy. I could use some fresh blood.
 
2012-11-02 01:41:33 PM

Shakes999: As someone whos been actively searching for a bad movie thats worth rifftraxing and sending to the site, I can appreciate the article. Its not as simple as pick a awful movie and then go with it. It really is like searching for a diamond in the rough. For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick. As opposed to most straight to DVD crap like "Abe lincoln: Zombie Hunter" where everyone involved knows its a piece of crap so its got alot of Tounge-in-Cheek humor and winks to the audience.

On that note, Im open for suggestions.


Twister.

I would also like to see the whole gang re-riff Roadhouse and The 5th Element.

Having just Mike wasn't bad... but both have enough riffable material for everyone.
 
2012-11-02 01:52:05 PM
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-02 02:31:53 PM
Way to be lazy, subby. Is it really that hard to not use the linked site's headline verbatim? There used to be standards, they were low, but they were there.
 
2012-11-02 03:22:36 PM

Shakes999:
On that note, Im open for suggestions.


The Lone Runner
If you can stand it... ;-)
 
2012-11-02 03:53:35 PM

Shakes999: Does the birdemic rifftrax get funny. I made it about 15 minutes in and even Mike and co. couldn't save it.


I thought the live show was great. If it wasn't for the riffing, I wouldn't have made it even 15 minutes.
 
2012-11-02 04:27:06 PM

Shakes999: As someone whos been actively searching for a bad movie thats worth rifftraxing and sending to the site, I can appreciate the article. Its not as simple as pick a awful movie and then go with it. It really is like searching for a diamond in the rough. For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick. As opposed to most straight to DVD crap like "Abe lincoln: Zombie Hunter" where everyone involved knows its a piece of crap so its got alot of Tounge-in-Cheek humor and winks to the audience.

On that note, Im open for suggestions.


Highlander: The Source. Seriously, you thought Highlander 2 was bad...
 
2012-11-02 05:43:42 PM

minnesotaboy: [farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x512]


Bob Johnson!

...wait.
 
2012-11-02 08:20:30 PM

Funbags: Shakes999: For me, its about finding a movie that you can tell the director actually thought he was making a good flick.

This is the essence of a "so bad its good" movie.

Its not interesting or challenging to simply make a terrible movie. What is challenging is when an earnest effort to make a good (or at least genre-acceptable) movie goes spectacularly wrong. Troll 2, Manos, The Final Sacrifice. The makers of these amazingly bad movies did not set out to fail, they were just completely clueless about what they were making.

When the producers/actors know what they are making is crap, its just...dishonest. That's why Grindhouse sucked. That's what folks like The Asylum, et al produce is unwatchable.


I think that's why "The Room" became so popular as a hilariously bad movie. NOBODY sets out to make a "so bad it's good" love-triangle melodrama.
 
2012-11-02 10:03:01 PM

brantgoose: The article doesn't really explain the process all that well. Here's my own version of what must happen.

etc., etc


This is the greatest thing I've ever read on Fark.

Bravo!
 
2012-11-03 03:27:28 AM
Yeah bunch of great suggestions. Thanks. Oh and Brantgoose with fantastic advice.

//new screenname
 
2012-11-03 09:34:28 PM
If you want to try some amateur riffing and have a twitter account. and net flix, join us for #HashtagHorror Tuesdays at 7 and Saturdays at 5 EST. Link
 
2012-11-03 09:43:52 PM

NeoCortex42: Shakes999: Does the birdemic rifftrax get funny. I made it about 15 minutes in and even Mike and co. couldn't save it.

I thought the live show was great. If it wasn't for the riffing, I wouldn't have made it even 15 minutes.


One time a toy car hit my foot.
 
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