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(USA Today)   Vermont college postpones the slaughter of two oxen due to protests the action is inhumane. Perhaps if they hitched a covered wagon to the oxen and had them cross a river nature would intervene   (usatoday.com) divider line 52
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2012-11-02 07:42:04 AM
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2012-11-02 09:37:42 AM
I remember fording the first river, losing most of my bullets, all of my clothes, my whole family and all but two of the oxen.

Died before the next river.

Peperony and chease.
 
2012-11-02 09:48:27 AM
They could always pay an Indian guide $10 to show them the best place to cross
 
2012-11-02 11:48:09 AM
Does anybody have a piece of ginger to hand?

/obscure?
 
2012-11-02 12:43:23 PM

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www.videogamehumor.com
 
2012-11-02 12:54:31 PM
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2012-11-02 12:55:06 PM
Lunatics 2
Hungry people 0
 
2012-11-02 12:58:11 PM
Can't believe GMC college caved in on this.. Those look like tasty mascots..
 
2012-11-02 01:00:35 PM
Farking crunchy vegan assholes. they move to Vermont, and start biatching about the agrarian lifestyle.
They all need a coont punch and a kick so hard they land in the east village.
 
2012-11-02 01:01:02 PM
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2012-11-02 01:02:47 PM
I have never once lost an oxen.

Axles by the score, and probably hundreds of thousands of pounds of good meat, since I could only carry 100lbs...

But never an oxen.
 
2012-11-02 01:09:39 PM
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2012-11-02 01:02:47 PM


I have never once lost an oxen.

Axles by the score, and probably hundreds of thousands of pounds of good meat, since I could only carry 100lbs...

But never an oxen.




I have lost many ox.
 
2012-11-02 01:11:07 PM
Dysentery for some!
Miniature American flags for others!
 
2012-11-02 01:13:47 PM
So what if it's inhumane? Ox aren't human.
 
2012-11-02 01:17:22 PM

Shadow Blasko: I have never once lost an oxen.

Axles by the score, and probably hundreds of thousands of pounds of good meat, since I could only carry 100lbs...

But never an oxen.


Lucky you. I always seems to lose 2 every playthrough.
 
2012-11-02 01:17:54 PM
Y'all messing up the singular/plural stuff, I hate you all. Even if you did it intentionally, so don't think you're safe, doubled99.
 
2012-11-02 01:18:25 PM
Slaughtering an animal is not inherently inhumane. Stop using words you don't understand.

However, this thread delivers!
 
2012-11-02 01:21:43 PM
You'll have to get past Paul and Babe first.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-02 01:22:59 PM
 
2012-11-02 01:28:08 PM
"Perhaps if they hitched a covered wagon to the oxen and had them cross a river nature would intervene"
In Manhattan.
 
2012-11-02 01:32:02 PM
The decision to slaughter the animals and use the meat in the dining hall at Green Mountain College remains unchanged, however.

Why would they stop this? This is CLEARLY a step up in dining-hall food...
 
2012-11-02 01:32:14 PM
I used to shoot everything I could. "You got 1,218 pounds of meat. However, you could only carry 20 back."
 
2012-11-02 01:32:15 PM

Kuroshin: Slaughtering an animal is not inherently inhumane. Stop using words you don't understand.

However, this thread delivers!


Yup. Don't cause them undue stress and suffering, of course. Keep them well-fed and cared for. But ultimately livestock is for meat and that involves the animal's death.
 
2012-11-02 01:36:37 PM

Cpl.D: I used to shoot everything I could. "You got 1,218 pounds of meat. However, you could only carry 20 back."


www.yellowstone-guides.com

as to the "protests", because they do not want to know where their food comes from

(bang)
(thud)
 
2012-11-02 01:39:05 PM
Oh, and ...

www.simplyrecipes.com

Oxtail Soup Recipe
Yield: feeds 4 people a hearty portion

Ingredients:
2 pounds oxtail, cut into 1″ segments
1 tablespoon olive oil
1 medium sweet onion, chopped
3 cloves garlic, diced
2″ knob of ginger, peeled and diced
1 - 14 ounce can of diced tomatoes with juice
1 teaspoon ground coriander
1 teaspoon ground cardamom
1 teaspoon ground cumin
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 1/2 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon freshly-ground black pepper
2 cups beef stock
1 carrot, cut into 1″ rounds
1 parsnip, cut into roughly 1″ rounds
5 small red potatoes, cut into quarters
1 yam, cut into roughly 1″ cubes
1 sweet apple, cored and chopped
1 - 14 ounce can of kidney beans, drained and rinsed
Freshly chopped parsley for garnish
Recipe method for oxtail soup:
If you're preparing this recipe in a Dutch oven, preheat your oven to 200 degrees F. If you're using a slow cooker, get it ready by plugging it in and setting it to its lowest setting.
Brown the oxtail in a very hot pan. Remove to a large Dutch oven or slow cooker.
Add the olive oil to the pan you browned the oxtail in and turn the heat to medium. Once the oil shimmers, add the onions and cook, stirring occasionally, making sure to scrape along the bottom and get up all the meaty bits that stuck to the pan while you were browning the meat. Cook the onions just until they start to brown, about 5 minutes.
Stir the garlic and ginger into the onions and cook for another minute, until the garlic and ginger become extremely fragrant. Pour onions, ginger and garlic into Dutch oven on top of the oxtail.
Pour the can of tomatoes into the same pan you cooked the onions in again scrap the bottom to get up anything stuck to the pan. Add coriander, cardamom, cumin, ginger, salt and pepper, stirring well. Cook tomatoes over medium-low heat for 5 minutes, just until it begins to thicken, stirring occasionally.
Add beef stock to tomatoes and continue to cook until it comes to a simmer. While you're waiting for the tomatoes and beef stock to heat up, add the carrot, parsnip, potatoes, yam, apple and kidney beans to the Dutch oven or slow cooker and mix well with the oxtail and onions.
Once the tomatoes and stock are at a simmer, add them to the Dutch oven or slow cooker. Give the whole thing a good stir to make sure the sauce covers everything, cover with a lid, and set to cook. For a Dutch oven, place it in your 200 degree oven and let cook undisturbed for 8 hours. If you're using a slow cooker, turn it to the "LOW" setting and let cook for 8 hours.
Serve hot, garnished with fresh parsley. I serve my oxtail soup with the bones in because I'm too lady to pick them apart before serving - plus I think the bones add to the rustic feel of the dish. If you're so inclined, feel free to pick out the bones before serving.
 
2012-11-02 01:50:56 PM
I started off with 10 sets of clothing one time

Thief came in the night about a day away from Independence and stole 9 sets....
 
2012-11-02 01:51:07 PM
which have worked on the farm as draft animals for a decade and are known by their names, Bill and Lou.

A. Old oxen that have been worked hard are NOT good eating
2. When you name them Bill and Lou, they are pets.

I'm not against slaughtering animals and eat meat every day. However, serving tough as nails meat of what is basically the student's pets is a bit harsh. Sell them to slaughterhouse to do as they choose, but don't remind the students that Bill and Lou are on the menu tonight.

/Alternatively the could send them to the farm where they can run free where all of my elderly pets went.
 
2012-11-02 01:56:40 PM
I remember winning Oregon Trail in 5th grade by successfully throwing a quarter into a garbage can from across the room. I was shocked I won as I tended to be very bad at anything that required aiming.

/have much better aim now :-)
 
2012-11-02 02:08:48 PM

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Done in one.
 
2012-11-02 02:12:47 PM

Honest Bender: So what if it's inhumane? Ox aren't human.


Thank you.
 
2012-11-02 02:16:10 PM

Honest Bender: So what if it's inhumane? Ox aren't human.


Well, to be fair- if you're doing something that's inhumane- neither are you.
 
2012-11-02 02:25:36 PM
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Eat or be eaten.
 
2012-11-02 02:34:39 PM
I sucked at that game. I'd always end up being eaten by a grue.
 
2012-11-02 02:36:25 PM
I am not against eating animals, but I am against eating gross, old working oxen. Yuck. Why would you even want to do that?
 
2012-11-02 02:43:06 PM

jso2897: I sucked at that game. I'd always end up being eaten by a grue.


At least you got that far, I never figured out how to get the damn Babel Fish
 
2012-11-02 02:47:23 PM
Ah, Oregon Trail. The DOS version had a glitch we discovered. If you saved at any river (other than the giant one you had to float down) then reloaded your save you'd be on the other side of the river.

I still remember being 7 or 8 and hunting for meat in the mountains. I remember being surprised that the bears didn't try to maul you. (I still think the bears should have tried to attack you).

Cpl.D: I used to shoot everything I could. "You got 1,218 pounds of meat. However, you could only carry 20 back."


THIS. If another family came along just after mine they wouldn't have much to shoot at.

Shadow Blasko: I have never once lost an oxen.

Axles by the score, and probably hundreds of thousands of pounds of good meat, since I could only carry 100lbs...

But never an oxen.


Lucky. :( I lost 2+ oxen a game and tons of axles :(
 
2012-11-02 03:01:34 PM

Archae hippy: which have worked on the farm as draft animals for a decade and are known by their names, Bill and Lou.

A. Old oxen that have been worked hard are NOT good eating
2. When you name them Bill and Lou, they are pets.

I'm not against slaughtering animals and eat meat every day. However, serving tough as nails meat of what is basically the student's pets is a bit harsh. Sell them to slaughterhouse to do as they choose, but don't remind the students that Bill and Lou are on the menu tonight.

/Alternatively the could send them to the farm where they can run free where all of my elderly pets went.


This is how I feel. I've eaten many animals in my life and don't regret it, but at the same time, if they had names, I don't want to know them.

And for some reason I find it kind of mean to reward them for years of service with death. I can't really explain it, but I'm for retiring working animals and letting them have at least a few months where they aren't working.

/that doesn't count if the animals "enjoy" their work or would be stressed without it, like falcons clearing birds off runways
//but I assume oxen are at best ambivalent about pulling heavy things
 
2012-11-02 03:28:16 PM

SkunkWerks: Well, to be fair- if you're doing something that's inhumane- neither are you.


They were accused, essentially, of not treating animals like humans. That's what someone is saying when they say that an animal isn't being treated humanely. It's silly.
 
2012-11-02 03:39:07 PM

Honest Bender: They were accused, essentially, of not treating animals like humans. That's what someone is saying when they say that an animal isn't being treated humanely. It's silly.


It's saying you're not acting like a human being. The definition in this case being "not showing mercy/empathy/etc. for another living creature."

I don't know that it's a charge that actually fits in this case (and honestly I kinda don't care), but you're missing the point of the adjective either way.

Let's assume for a moment that your definition were correct. I'd guess you'd propose that it were perfectly natural to treat the oxen as if you were another oxen rather than a human being ('cause it obviously isn't).

Problem: you may note a distinct lack of cannibalism among oxen.

Just saying.


I'd agree however that we, as a race/culture tend to err on the side of unduly anthropomorphizing animals. Sometimes this results in us getting the bear, and other times, well, yeah...
 
2012-11-02 03:46:11 PM

Archae hippy: which have worked on the farm as draft animals for a decade and are known by their names, Bill and Lou.

A. Old oxen that have been worked hard are NOT good eating
2. When you name them Bill and Lou, they are pets.

I'm not against slaughtering animals and eat meat every day. However, serving tough as nails meat of what is basically the student's pets is a bit harsh. Sell them to slaughterhouse to do as they choose, but don't remind the students that Bill and Lou are on the menu tonight.

/Alternatively the could send them to the farm where they can run free where all of my elderly pets went.


I doubt the oxen were worked very hard. They were more for demonstrating HOW to work with oxen, not really WORKING oxen. They probably spent a few hours per semester being harnessed and unharnessed, a few more demonstrating gee and haw or whatever oxen do and a few actually working. The rest of the time, co-eds fed them apples.
 
2012-11-02 03:48:20 PM

SkunkWerks: I'd guess you'd propose that it were perfectly natural to treat the oxen as if you were another oxen rather than a human being ('cause it obviously isn't).


That's a stupid proposition. Somehow my statement that it's silly to treat an ox like a human leads you to believe that I'd be ok with a human acting like an ox? Diagram that logic out for me, lol!

I mean, if you want to have sex with an ox... man, that's your business...

Treat your fellow humans humanely with all the mercy/empathy due a fellow human. Treat an animal with dignity and respect because it's a living creature that can feel pain and suffer. But don't call someone inhumane for failing to treat an animal like a human. Again, that's just silly.
 
2012-11-02 04:03:05 PM
Once you've named it and used it in class/shown them off around campus, it's off the menu. Not only that, but slaughtering one of your college's animals and then serving it up in the dining hall is a dick move. Plus as others said, old ox is not a good meat.

The real issue is this whole thing screams poverty, the college is so broke it has to kill its oxen and then feed the D grade meat to its students. If my institution was making moves like that I'd asking some pissed off questions about the management. Either keep them around as some senior farm animals for your vet students to work with or donate them to the animal sanctuary.
 
2012-11-02 04:35:21 PM
Activist: Do you know what they do to those chickens?!
Jim Gaffigan: No, but it's delicious!
 
2012-11-02 04:59:21 PM
Archae hippy:


which have worked on the farm as draft animals for a decade and are known by their names, Bill and Lou.

A. Old oxen that have been worked hard are NOT good eating


Muscles that have been well-exercised are tough and require marinading or slow cooking but the meat is much tastier than bland flabby stuff. Veal, e.g., has almost no flavor at all.


2. When you name them Bill and Lou, they are pets.

Well, yeah.

I'm not against slaughtering animals and eat meat every day. However, serving tough as nails meat of what is basically the student's pets is a bit harsh. Sell them to slaughterhouse to do as they choose, but don't remind the students that Bill and Lou are on the menu tonight.

/Alternatively the could send them to the farm where they can run free where all of my elderly pets went.


Actually I was going to froth at the mouth in this thread but here there's no need. These are indeed very sensible solutions.

I might eat dog meat, say in China where they do that. But if somebody tried to feed me MY dog I'd wring his insensitive neck.
 
2012-11-02 05:01:51 PM
Oh, by the way, since I'm not sure where/how to find this info now and have to go someplace, do you have to have a permit or be a business to slaughter an animal? Can you still kill your own fatted calf?
 
2012-11-02 05:37:18 PM
"oxen" are cows -- what a slaughtered oxen might look like:

whatscookingamerica.net
 
2012-11-02 05:51:38 PM

The One True TheDavid: Oh, by the way, since I'm not sure where/how to find this info now and have to go someplace, do you have to have a permit or be a business to slaughter an animal? Can you still kill your own fatted calf?


Depends on where you live. I imagine there are innumerable licensing requirements in, say, New Jersey. In Georgia, if your property is zoned for agriculture, you can definitely kill your own critters for meat. Be aware, however, if your "agricultural-zoned" property is actually a subdivision, your neighbors will probably scream bloody murder when you kill a goat in your backyard prior to barbecuing it.
 
2012-11-02 08:12:12 PM
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2012-11-02 09:01:54 PM
Most of the people (not all, but most) I've met from VT talk about it as if it's some glorious utopia, then they get in your face about eating meat or your dislike of jam bands.
 
2012-11-02 10:31:20 PM
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I'm pretty sure the nothing but a hat and 12 grandfather clocks guy had a few gallons of whisky
 
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