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2012-11-02 10:25:08 AM

Iceman_Cometh: calm like a bomb: FitzShivering: You all are much nicer than I am. If you "accidentally euthanize" my dog, I'll sue you into the ground and make sure whoever was in charge never works again.

/Assuming its from laxity, if there's some bizarre, completely understandable reason, I'll just sue you

No, you won't. Not a criminal matter. Most lawyers won't touch animal cases as there is no money for them there. Even if you file it yourself, most states will allow recovery of material costs (such as medical care, of which there isn't any) and replacement. You'd be lucky to get a thousand bucks.

I get the sentiment, but the courts will not help you here.

Are you sure about that?
$45K
$65K


1. Neither case involved someone who works with animals and was negligent as part of their job duties, so it's not the most direct of comparisons.
2. Let's see how these hold up on appeal.

I'm not saying you can't find an outlier or two, but the majority of the time the law is interpreted pretty narrowly here- costs incurred for treatment and replacement only. Not saying that's right, just that it's what it is.
 
2012-11-02 10:26:10 AM

zeg: frepnog: elseways you could successfully sue someone that runs over your pet in the street for "pain and suffering"

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Mayhaps you desire to draw attention to yourself by using obscure, faux-archaic words?

I'd have thought "otherwise" would have done nicely. In any case, there's a profound difference between hitting a dog that runs into the street unexpectedly and injecting poison into a quarantined dog. Believe it or not, it's possible for a judge to distinguish between these two scenarios.


and believe it or not, any judge worth his robes would still only award replacement costs (or loss if income possibly if it was a working animal).

guys - some of you really take your pets a bit too seriously. I love my dogs but they are just that - dogs.

//some of you people talk about pets as if they are people. Talk to a parent that has lost a child about how much it hurts to lose a PET. Get some farking perspective.
 
2012-11-02 10:26:10 AM

ManateeGag: How about I get to come down and punch you in the dick, once a day, for a year. then we'll be square.

sound good?


Come on, the poor man already lost his dog. Having the pizza girl cockpunch him would seem to be *puts on shades* overkill.
 
2012-11-02 10:28:00 AM
Hmm...if someone euthanized a member of MY family by mistake you wouldn't necessarily hear ME complaining about it. Especially if they covered the funeral costs and let me pick out a new family member.

/sorry little bro...but you'll be in a happier place soon
 
2012-11-02 10:29:52 AM

Babwa Wawa: FitzShivering: You all are much nicer than I am. If you "accidentally euthanize" my dog, I'll sue you into the ground and make sure whoever was in charge never works again.

I'm not saying it's right, when you sue for the loss of a pet, the most you'll get is the replacement cost of the pet. That's it.


True.

However, I'd throw a good $200,000 of discovery and heavy duty motion practice at the vet before settling for the $25 or $30 my cat is worth.

/lawyer who turns evil when pissed off
 
2012-11-02 10:31:15 AM

Iceman_Cometh: calm like a bomb: FitzShivering: You all are much nicer than I am. If you "accidentally euthanize" my dog, I'll sue you into the ground and make sure whoever was in charge never works again.

/Assuming its from laxity, if there's some bizarre, completely understandable reason, I'll just sue you

No, you won't. Not a criminal matter. Most lawyers won't touch animal cases as there is no money for them there. Even if you file it yourself, most states will allow recovery of material costs (such as medical care, of which there isn't any) and replacement. You'd be lucky to get a thousand bucks.

I get the sentiment, but the courts will not help you here.

Are you sure about that?
$45K
$65K


something tells me that those people will never collect a dime of that money. any info on appeals or just sensational headlines?
 
2012-11-02 10:35:40 AM

L.D. Ablo: However, I'd throw a good $200,000 of discovery and heavy duty motion practice at the vet malpractice insurer before settling for the $25 or $30 my cat is worth.

/lawyer who turns evil when pissed off


FTFY. Won't cost the vet any more than their yearly premium, which is about $500. And our insurers are different than what you've dealt with before; they won't settle unless we tell them to.
 
2012-11-02 10:39:49 AM
I thought the scale of tragedy went something like:

Family
Other people
Delicious animals*
Useful animals*
Pets*
Beer
Plants
Politicians 

*If vegan, move these to the top of the list.
 
2012-11-02 10:40:17 AM

What the Fark Wizzbang: Matthew Keene: tbhouston: Umm.. you know animals are not people right?

I know this is a troll 1/10, just because I am responding

My cat is every bit possessing of the rights of a creature on this planet. Same as you and me.

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/yes, your cat deserves the exact same rights


If he's able to pass a driving test HELL YES!!!
 
2012-11-02 10:44:05 AM

frepnog: Iceman_Cometh: calm like a bomb: FitzShivering: You all are much nicer than I am. If you "accidentally euthanize" my dog, I'll sue you into the ground and make sure whoever was in charge never works again.

/Assuming its from laxity, if there's some bizarre, completely understandable reason, I'll just sue you

No, you won't. Not a criminal matter. Most lawyers won't touch animal cases as there is no money for them there. Even if you file it yourself, most states will allow recovery of material costs (such as medical care, of which there isn't any) and replacement. You'd be lucky to get a thousand bucks.

I get the sentiment, but the courts will not help you here.

Are you sure about that?
$45K
$65K

something tells me that those people will never collect a dime of that money. any info on appeals or just sensational headlines?


I didn't see anything on appeal for either one. First one was from 2005 and it would be a long and expensive appeal if it is still going on. Second was just this year. It seems Texas is taking up the matter.
 
2012-11-02 10:45:38 AM

nursedude: Hmm...if someone euthanized a member of MY family by mistake you wouldn't necessarily hear ME complaining about it. Especially if they covered the funeral costs and let me pick out a new family member.

/sorry little bro...but you'll be in a happier place soon


You sound like someone who's looking forward to Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-02 10:48:31 AM

starsrift: nursedude: Hmm...if someone euthanized a member of MY family by mistake you wouldn't necessarily hear ME complaining about it. Especially if they covered the funeral costs and let me pick out a new family member.

/sorry little bro...but you'll be in a happier place soon

You sound like someone who's looking forward to Thanksgiving.


"Wait, that... that's my pet turkey, Mr. Gobbles! Noooooo!"
 
2012-11-02 10:51:43 AM
sad. a rabies shot is usually good for 2 or 3 years, and being a month overdue happens. and saying a rabies shot is good for that long, usually means its good for more, and there is a buffer built in there. I get a letter in the mail a week before a shot is due from my vet, but when i call, sometimes i can't get him in for 2-3 weeks, so "technically" that shot is overdue.

i suspect there is more to this story, because people just don't make mistakes when euthanizing sweet and gentle dogs.
 
2012-11-02 10:57:48 AM
Not all H. sapiens are persons, but some non-H. sapiens are persons.

A person, as defined by Locke, Hume and others - that's how I roll. I also like that one philosopher whose name I forgot who argues that an H. sapiens without compassion enough to understand not to maim, torture or wantonly kill other beings is not a person.
 
2012-11-02 11:07:37 AM

L.D. Ablo: Babwa Wawa: FitzShivering: You all are much nicer than I am. If you "accidentally euthanize" my dog, I'll sue you into the ground and make sure whoever was in charge never works again.

I'm not saying it's right, when you sue for the loss of a pet, the most you'll get is the replacement cost of the pet. That's it.

True.

However, I'd throw a good $200,000 of discovery and heavy duty motion practice at the vet before settling for the $25 or $30 my cat is worth.

/lawyer who turns evil when pissed off


It depends. I know this is a different situation but we got $1900+ for the dog we lost in the pet food clusterfark. Which was the cost of the new dog we got ($1200) and $700+ we spent trying to save the one that died. Would have spent more to save him but it got to him pretty fast. We submitted the claim with all out receipts and they gave us back every penny.
 
2012-11-02 11:07:43 AM
That's pretty farked up. Even though it was obviously a horrible mistake. I cannot imagine how the vet felt when he found out it was a colossal fark up. We had to put down our black lab not to long ago, she was 15 and had horrible medical issues that couldn't be fixed. The wife held her while the vet gave her the shot, and suffice to say, it was not a pleasant experience, even though we had prepared ourselves for that. I hope this person gets a new doggie (there are plenty out there that need a home), and makes something good happen out of this tragedy.
 
2012-11-02 11:07:52 AM

SevenizGud: kid_icarus: mr_a: Terrible story and hope it never happens to anyone.

Still, if you had kept your "one true dog's" vaccinations up to date, he never would have been in a position to be euthanized by incompetent workers.

Well that and attacking pizza delivery girls.

Well, that and explicity stating intent to reclaim.

This guy doesn't deserve a dog, and the dog sounds like he should have been put down. The vet should have said he was put down on temperament issues.


Now, that will get you some bites!
 
2012-11-02 11:13:09 AM

Tainted1: SevenizGud: kid_icarus: mr_a: Terrible story and hope it never happens to anyone.

Still, if you had kept your "one true dog's" vaccinations up to date, he never would have been in a position to be euthanized by incompetent workers.

Well that and attacking pizza delivery girls.

Well, that and explicity stating intent to reclaim.

This guy doesn't deserve a dog, and the dog sounds like he should have been put down. The vet should have said he was put down on temperament issues.

Now, that will get you some bites!


Just remember, everyone who bites will be accidentally put down.
 
2012-11-02 11:18:42 AM

SevenizGud: kid_icarus: mr_a: Terrible story and hope it never happens to anyone.

Still, if you had kept your "one true dog's" vaccinations up to date, he never would have been in a position to be euthanized by incompetent workers.

Well that and attacking pizza delivery girls.

Well, that and explicity stating intent to reclaim.

This guy doesn't deserve a dog, and the dog sounds like he should have been put down. The vet should have said he was put down on temperament issues.


-1
 
2012-11-02 11:22:09 AM
This far in and no Dr. Chinnery?
I am disappoint.
 
2012-11-02 11:24:37 AM

frepnog: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: mcsestretch: If this had been a cat the Internet would have shut down from all the outrage.

A cat was mistakenly euthanized in Massachusetts 5 weeks ago. This type of thing is just really heartbreaking and just makes me wonder how it happens.

give me a break. if your heart is broken over a farking PET, how in the hell do you handle REAL tragedy??

/no, the death of a pet is not a tragedy. Sad? Perhaps. But not tragic.


So your way of dealing with emotional grief is the only way of dealing with emotional grief? I'd kill myself if I had all that responsibility. You should try that.
 
zeg
2012-11-02 11:26:22 AM

frepnog:
and believe it or not, any judge worth his robes would still only award replacement costs (or loss if income possibly if it was a working animal).


You're entitled to your opinion, but while I agree that pets are different from human family members, it doesn't automatically follow that the replacement cost is the only valid damages. It's a valid, defendable interpretation, but it's far from the only one.

But, to restate my original point, allowing for emotional suffering or punitive damages in this sort of incident doesn't open the floodgates to absurd lawsuits when accidents occur. It's clear that someone who had plenty of time to double-check the paperwork before making an irreversible action didn't do so. The pet owner's response here was right on the money: nothing can undo the action that was done, and the most important thing to do is ensure that a similar mistake doesn't occur again. From the sound of it, the correct steps may have been those taken. If this is the only such incident out of thousands, as they claim, then there's no need to shut the whole operation down or fire all those involved. After all, it sounds like a systemic problem if a couple of human errors are enough to result in the accidental killing of a pet.

Hopefully in addition to retraining those involved, they'll reexamine their procedures to make it more robust.
 
2012-11-02 11:37:30 AM
Dog threads are always entertaining.

But for this one, the fact is.. if the guy had trained his dog, or controlled it better, it wouldn't have jumped of the pizza person and none of this would have happened.

Sorry but to all dog owners, I don't care how nice your dog is, and he's that just being friendly, etc. I don't like having dogs jump on me, I don't want it licking my hand or face, I don't want his paws on my shirt, or have him humping my leg.

I feel sorry for the dog, he didn't know better nor what happened, and if it's a question of him just being "friendly", being brought to that cold place only to end up dead is just horrible. Like being thrown in jail and have a very quick verdict, when you're innocent.

I blame the owner, and while he didn't do anything on purpose, having a pet has responsibilities, one is teaching it to behave properly and not jump on people.
 
2012-11-02 11:38:59 AM
FTFA ... "Walsh also adds that the center offers discounted rabies vaccines every Wednesday for all pet owners. "
 
2012-11-02 11:53:37 AM

LL316: frepnog: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: mcsestretch: If this had been a cat the Internet would have shut down from all the outrage.

A cat was mistakenly euthanized in Massachusetts 5 weeks ago. This type of thing is just really heartbreaking and just makes me wonder how it happens.

give me a break. if your heart is broken over a farking PET, how in the hell do you handle REAL tragedy??

/no, the death of a pet is not a tragedy. Sad? Perhaps. But not tragic.

So your way of dealing with emotional grief is the only way of dealing with emotional grief? I'd kill myself if I had all that responsibility. You should try that.


yeah, no. go fark yourself. animals are awesome. i love my two dogs, got a pit mix and a dachshund and I love them. They are great pets, best dogs a person could have. they are also DOGS. That means that while they are great animals and all, there were dogs before them and there will be dogs after and letting oneself get distraught over a replaceable animal is a bit much. I am not saying have no emotions, jeez, I would cry if my Zoe got hit by a car or something... but she is still just a dog and it would not be a farking tragedy, just a sad thing that happened until I got a new dog.

Pets are disposable. There is no need in getting all depression case over them because they are easily replaceable, even the BEST animals are still replaceable pets. Americans just put way to much into companion animals and the pet industry in this country is a damn sham.


Some of you obviously never had to deal as a kid with a dog or cat that got smushed in the road. I have, hell probably a good dozen or more at this point in my 40+ years. You learn to get over that stuff. Pets are great but they are temporary.
 
2012-11-02 11:59:00 AM

imfallen_angel: Dog threads are always entertaining.

But for this one, the fact is.. if the guy had trained his dog, or controlled it better, it wouldn't have jumped of the pizza person and none of this would have happened.

Sorry but to all dog owners, I don't care how nice your dog is, and he's that just being friendly, etc. I don't like having dogs jump on me, I don't want it licking my hand or face, I don't want his paws on my shirt, or have him humping my leg.

I feel sorry for the dog, he didn't know better nor what happened, and if it's a question of him just being "friendly", being brought to that cold place only to end up dead is just horrible. Like being thrown in jail and have a very quick verdict, when you're innocent.

I blame the owner, and while he didn't do anything on purpose, having a pet has responsibilities, one is teaching it to behave properly and not jump on people.


My Zoe is about 55 pounds of love and muscle. She can look absolutely viscous, and then look absolutely lovable and goofy. I keep her on a runner and warn people that they probably don't want to go near her unless my wife and I are there, not because I think she would hurt them but because she might just jump on them wanting attention and scare them. She is very well mannered and as sweet as a dog can be, but I have seen her take off after a dog (that wandered into our yard) with just evil and demons in her eyes. So, yea, I keep her under control because as sweet as she is, it only takes a moment and then she might just bite someone.
 
2012-11-02 12:10:28 PM
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2012-11-02 10:40:17 AM


What the Fark Wizzbang: Matthew Keene: tbhouston: Umm.. you know animals are not people right?

I know this is a troll 1/10, just because I am responding

My cat is every bit possessing of the rights of a creature on this planet. Same as you and me.




The rarely seen reverse troll
9/10
 
2012-11-02 12:46:40 PM

frepnog: That means that while they are great animals and all, there were dogs before them and there will be dogs after and letting oneself get distraught over a replaceable animal is a bit much.


This describes perfectly how I feel about other humans. You aren't special. Your kids aren't special either. I don't give a flying fark if any of you die an excruciating death. Some piece of human trash will shiat out another waste of oxygen to replace you soon enough.
 
2012-11-02 12:58:14 PM

PoochUMD: The dog probably jumped up on her and nipped her and broke the skin, hence the quarantine. Had the dog been up to date on it's shots, the quarantine wouldn't have been necessary. On the flip side, had the dog who wasn't up to date on it's shots contracted rabies from a squirrel or something earlier that day, the mandated quarantine could have saved the delivery girls life.


A quick search shows that the rabies vaccine is good in dogs for up to three years. The shortest one is certified for is two years. Governments that require annual boosters are either being excessively paranoid(dog close to needing shot again runs away/goes feral is still protected for 1-2 years), or lazy about updating the rules.

BTW found one site that confused rabies with the Flu. There may be different strains of the virus, but the vaccine is effective on all of them and doesn't get yearly revisions like the flu shot does.
 
2012-11-02 01:05:10 PM

bluefelix: "Extensive retraining" of a few employees wouldn't be enough for me either. I think what he is asking for is perfectly reasonable. If they only put down 5 a week, it shouldn't be a big deal to have a few more administrative steps to help prevent these errors. The article makes it sound like there was a single form that said the dog had 10 days to be adopted out or be put down when it SHOULD have said the dog was under a 10 day quarantine. The kill process should be more involved.


I think the problem was stated that there was a step missed like checking a box. I don't think adding more steps will help. It sounds like the default condition is to euthenize animals at the end of a quarantine and it takes "a positve action" like checking the box to stop it. All they have to do is change it to where the default is to not euthenize animals and that it takes "a positive action" like checkng a box to kill an animal. With maybe a next level sign-off to make sure. That way, two people would have had to have their heads up their asses to screw up.
 
2012-11-02 01:07:43 PM

calm like a bomb: There is pretty much no such thing as a "no-kill" shelter. All of them do euthanize animals- the difference is that some euthanize based on some time rubric, and some euthanize based on health and adoptability of the animal. No "no-kill" shelter is going to deal long term with an aggressive, unsocialized dog, and nor should they. They also aren't going to put themselves on the hook for an elderly cat with chronic renal disease. Bottom line- this was a paperwork error, and a tragedy, but there is no shelter anywhere that will ever completely eliminate the chances of this happening again.


Best Friends Animal Sanctuary
Will deal long term with aggressive, unsocialized animals.
Will put themselves on the hook for elderly cats with chronic renal disease (and the like).

It's not cheap, but it is possible.

As for the callous folks in this thread...
No, pets are not humans. That said: a good pet trusts you, loves you, relies on you, plays with you, comforts you, helps you. It has its own distinct personality. It is your devoted companion. Why on earth would people not be expected to grieve over its loss? Why would it be unfair for pet owners to be awarded pain and suffering costs for a negligent or malicious death?
 
2012-11-02 01:14:19 PM

Crudbucket: It should be easy to guarantee they won't kill that dog a second time.


That's what I'm thinking. It would probably be the last time they killed my dog too.

"Hey, we uh, killed your dog by accident"
'Hey, no probs. I'm just gonna go out to my car for a second.'
*Hammertime*
 
2012-11-02 01:18:53 PM

umad: frepnog: That means that while they are great animals and all, there were dogs before them and there will be dogs after and letting oneself get distraught over a replaceable animal is a bit much.

This describes perfectly how I feel about other humans. You aren't special. Your kids aren't special either. I don't give a flying fark if any of you die an excruciating death. Some piece of human trash will shiat out another waste of oxygen to replace you soon enough.


wow, you must be fun at parties. dude, you can't built a relationship with a dog. oh, you can have a GOOD dog, an obedient dog, a dog that cares for you and is well trained, but you can't have a conversation with it and if you die in the room with it, it will EAT you. Because it is an ANIMAL. A sweet, smart, dumb animal.

You sound a bit disturbed, honestly. Maybe you should ask your doctor if thorazine is right for you.
 
2012-11-02 01:27:59 PM

Inchoate: calm like a bomb: There is pretty much no such thing as a "no-kill" shelter. All of them do euthanize animals- the difference is that some euthanize based on some time rubric, and some euthanize based on health and adoptability of the animal. No "no-kill" shelter is going to deal long term with an aggressive, unsocialized dog, and nor should they. They also aren't going to put themselves on the hook for an elderly cat with chronic renal disease. Bottom line- this was a paperwork error, and a tragedy, but there is no shelter anywhere that will ever completely eliminate the chances of this happening again.

Best Friends Animal Sanctuary
Will deal long term with aggressive, unsocialized animals.
Will put themselves on the hook for elderly cats with chronic renal disease (and the like).

It's not cheap, but it is possible.

As for the callous folks in this thread...
No, pets are not humans. That said: a good pet trusts you, loves you, relies on you, plays with you, comforts you, helps you. It has its own distinct personality. It is your devoted companion. Why on earth would people not be expected to grieve over its loss? Why would it be unfair for pet owners to be awarded pain and suffering costs for a negligent or malicious death?


should you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.
 
2012-11-02 01:41:46 PM
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very sad story
 
2012-11-02 01:41:59 PM

frepnog: hould you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.


You do know that dogs (and cats and most other mammals... and some non-mammals) have distinct personalities, right? They are not interchangeable. I feel sad for your dog, who seems to mean no more to you than a nice TV might.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable.

Try saying that to someone who's suffered a miscarriage and let me know how it goes!
 
2012-11-02 01:47:40 PM

frepnog: You sound a bit disturbed, honestly. Maybe you should ask your doctor if thorazine is right for you.


I just need to euthanize somebody's kid and bury them in my yard. That always makes me feel better.

frepnog: I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.


Sure you can. If you want a new mother, find somebody to adopt you. If you want a new wife then go marry one. Then you can make as many new kids as you can stand with her. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. Losing your mother, wife, or kid is no big deal. We are all just insects in the grand scheme of things.
 
2012-11-02 02:10:50 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Earguy: Horrible, yes, but what else can you ask for? A cash settlement too? No matter what, you can't get your dead loved one back.

/didn't read the article

The dog's owner doesn't want a settlement. All he's asking for is just an assurance that this won't happen again.


What possibly can assure this wont happen again. They can take steps to make it less likely but assurance that it wont happen again is impossible.
 
2012-11-02 02:11:08 PM

Inchoate: frepnog: hould you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.

You do know that dogs (and cats and most other mammals... and some non-mammals) have distinct personalities, right? They are not interchangeable. I feel sad for your dog, who seems to mean no more to you than a nice TV might.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable.

Try saying that to someone who's suffered a miscarriage and let me know how it goes!


i said earlier that someone that is distraught over the loss of a pet should talk to someone that has lost a child to get some goddamned perspective.

And of course animals have personalities. My wiener dog is unlike any animal I have ever owned.

i said earlier that those that
 
2012-11-02 02:12:35 PM

Inchoate: frepnog: hould you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.

You do know that dogs (and cats and most other mammals... and some non-mammals) have distinct personalities, right? They are not interchangeable. I feel sad for your dog, who seems to mean no more to you than a nice TV might.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable.

Try saying that to someone who's suffered a miscarriage and let me know how it goes!


Sorry, pets are property. The fact that some people treat them differently does not change that. I smash your TV with a baseball bat, you get replacement value of the TV. I accidentally kill your cat, you get a new cat. I accidentally kill your kid, you could win a million dollar settlement. A pet is closer to a TV than a kid, legally.
 
2012-11-02 02:23:46 PM

jst3p: Sorry, pets are property. The fact that some people treat them differently does not change that. I smash your TV with a baseball bat, you get replacement value of the TV. I accidentally kill your cat, you get a new cat. I accidentally kill your kid, you could win a million dollar settlement. A pet is closer to a TV than a kid, legally.


Legal status =! moral status, as any LGBT person can tell you.

I mentioned miscarriage because in that case the lost child doesn't even *have* a perceptible uniqueness/personality beyond the hopes a parent ascribes to it, and is (usually) replaceable. People still grieve, though, and that grief goes rightly unquestioned most of the time. Not sure grief over a pet with uniqueness and a greater emotional connection is any less meaningful.
 
2012-11-02 02:30:33 PM

jst3p: Inchoate: frepnog: hould you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.

You do know that dogs (and cats and most other mammals... and some non-mammals) have distinct personalities, right? They are not interchangeable. I feel sad for your dog, who seems to mean no more to you than a nice TV might.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable.

Try saying that to someone who's suffered a miscarriage and let me know how it goes!

Sorry, pets are property. The fact that some people treat them differently does not change that. I smash your TV with a baseball bat, you get replacement value of the TV. I accidentally kill your cat, you get a new cat. I accidentally kill your kid, you could win a million dollar settlement. A pet is closer to a TV than a kid, legally.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

there is a pretty good family guy when Brian runs over and kills a dog and discovers that dog's lives are basically worthless.

he is all distraught like he committed murder, and all the people are like "dude, it was just a dog, no one cares".

and for most of humanity, that is how it is.
 
2012-11-02 02:32:53 PM

bluefelix: "Extensive retraining" of a few employees wouldn't be enough for me either. I think what he is asking for is perfectly reasonable. If they only put down 5 a week, it shouldn't be a big deal to have a few more administrative steps to help prevent these errors. The article makes it sound like there was a single form that said the dog had 10 days to be adopted out or be put down when it SHOULD have said the dog was under a 10 day quarantine. The kill process should be more involved.


Definitely should be some re-training, based off what I have read they didn't even present the owner with a bill for the quarantine or the euthanization, or have him charged with public endangerment.
 
2012-11-02 02:47:22 PM

Bathia_Mapes:

The dog's owner doesn't want a settlement. All he's asking for is just an assurance that this won't happen again.


Yes, I am pretty sure his dog won't jump on people at the door again.
 
2012-11-02 02:53:33 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Glad I'm here before the dog lover's "they should euthanize that guy by mistake and see how he likes it" derp.


I youthanized once, now I'm on a special registry and can't have any contact with the youth of America.
 
2012-11-02 03:48:48 PM

imfallen_angel: Dog threads are always entertaining.

But for this one, the fact is.. if the guy had trained his dog, or controlled it better, it wouldn't have jumped of the pizza person and none of this would have happened.

Sorry but to all dog owners, I don't care how nice your dog is, and he's that just being friendly, etc. I don't like having dogs jump on me, I don't want it licking my hand or face, I don't want his paws on my shirt, or have him humping my leg.

I feel sorry for the dog, he didn't know better nor what happened, and if it's a question of him just being "friendly", being brought to that cold place only to end up dead is just horrible. Like being thrown in jail and have a very quick verdict, when you're innocent.

I blame the owner, and while he didn't do anything on purpose, having a pet has responsibilities, one is teaching it to behave properly and not jump on people.


Yeah, but would actually involve authorities if a dog jumped on you? Seriously?

I sure wouldn't order from that pizza company again and I'm sure I'd have nothing but irritable things to say about the entire restaurant.

I don't like it when people's kids fling themselves about in stores, run into me or what-not. I don't like the way full grown adult males ignore the space that other people are in (which is more frequent than with women, especially in the grocery store).

I do not call the authorities when some ass hat runs his shopping cart into my heels. Maybe I should.

Come to think of it, I've seen some pretty histrionic women making a big deal about other people's kids or the shopping cart bumping - should I be call 911 to help them out?

Ridiculous.

Poor dog.
 
2012-11-02 03:51:24 PM

frepnog: jst3p: Inchoate: frepnog: hould you grieve the loss of a pet? sure, people get attached. i am quite attached to mine. should it devastate you, break your heart, and leave you so saddened that life seems less bright? NO. The death of a pet should do little more than prepare you for the loss of actual human companions; kids, parents, friends, so that you are familiar with death and can deal.

I can and will buy another dog. I can not replace my mother, my son, my wife.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable. Grieve, sure, but don't let grief overcome you over a pet.

You do know that dogs (and cats and most other mammals... and some non-mammals) have distinct personalities, right? They are not interchangeable. I feel sad for your dog, who seems to mean no more to you than a nice TV might.

You shouldn't get so bent out of shape over something so easily replaceable.

Try saying that to someone who's suffered a miscarriage and let me know how it goes!

Sorry, pets are property. The fact that some people treat them differently does not change that. I smash your TV with a baseball bat, you get replacement value of the TV. I accidentally kill your cat, you get a new cat. I accidentally kill your kid, you could win a million dollar settlement. A pet is closer to a TV than a kid, legally.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 266x287]

there is a pretty good family guy when Brian runs over and kills a dog and discovers that dog's lives are basically worthless.

he is all distraught like he committed murder, and all the people are like "dude, it was just a dog, no one cares".

and for most of humanity Homo sapiens plumbeus, that is how it is.


FTFY.
 
2012-11-02 07:52:22 PM
My cat bit the vet tech who was giving her her shots a couple weeks ago. I told them repeatedly that she bites and didn't they want to get a muzzle like they usually do? Nah, we'll be fine. So she bit the girl, who acted like it was no big deal.

Next thing I know I get a call from the doctor at the ER asking if my cat has rabies and saying he's required to report her to the state for a 10-day quarantine.

Not mad at the doctor or the state, but kind of irritated with the vet tech who a) ignored my warnings about the cat and b) went to the ER for a cat bite.
 
2012-11-02 10:30:40 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Yeah, but would actually involve authorities if a dog jumped on you? Seriously?

I sure wouldn't order from that pizza company again and I'm sure I'd have nothing but irritable things to say about the entire restaurant.


Depending of the situation, hell yes I would.

And that you put any blame on the pizzeria? What the hell did they do wrong?
 
2012-11-03 02:09:37 PM
reillan Smartest Funniest
2012-11-02 09:26:09 AM

I gotta say, if it had been my dog, a simply apology and assurance it wouldn't happen again wouldn't be enough. I'd want blood. When a dog is that important in your life, it's like losing a child.

If your pet is that important to you:
1) Keep his shots up to date
2) Controll the g.d. thing so that he doesn't jump all over people YOU invited to your home.

But hey that's expecting personal responsibility and we can't have that!



Atypical Person Reading Fark

I sure wouldn't order from that pizza company again and I'm sure I'd have nothing but irritable things to say about the entire restaurant.
Ohh so it's the Pizza place's fault the dog owner failed to keep the d*mn dogs shots current?

It's the Pizza place's fault the dog owner failed to keep control over the dog when they knew (in fact ORDERED) someone to come to their home?

o.O
 
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